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Paperboy  Posts: 16 Joined: 8 Aug 2008     | |
Beat Writer  Posts: 193 Joined: 18 Jul 2008   | The best thing a shooter can do is tinker with the guns to make it original. To this extent I present Painkiller, a game where you have the weirdest guns I have ever seen. This is where the innovation really sets in. Portal did this as well, and proved a massive success. I'm just simply tired of the games with: Pistol Mix it up a bit, ya know. |
King of the Yetis  Posts: 2103 Joined: 15 Jul 2008   | Portal isn't a shooter mate. Comparing it against COD4 is hardly fair on either game. As for originality I agree, we've kind of been supping from an old cup as of late, but the horizon looks nice. We have Legend, Fallout, Mirrors edge (it has shooting! Shut up!) and a few other notable shooters. Innovation isn't all it's cracked up to be. Polish and refinement can be just as good. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 145 Joined: 19 Jun 2008  | Too many shooters are already generic and bland. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 177 Joined: 12 Apr 2008 | Yes, most, if not all, FPSs are getting unoriginal, especially when it comes to enemies. If it's not a Nazi, it's an alien. If it's not an alien, it's a zombie. If it's not a zombie, it's everyone else. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 92 Joined: 14 Apr 2008  | Well you can't think of original ideas forever, it happens in any industry. From here on in it's all about the design and how they do things, not that they did something wacky. Look at TF2 or Warcraft, neither are original but there just good! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3203 Joined: 22 Aug 2008    |
or a zombie alien ("So...a zombine? Get it? Heh, zombine." *sigh*) The FPS's with 'innovation', or the ones you described that you like (Specifically Portal and Deus Ex) aren't even traditional FPS's. One's a puzzle game, the other is an FPSRPG. True, FPS's in general aren't very innovative, but as Decoy Doctorpus said: It's not all it's cracked up to be. Halo 3 didn't innovate much, it was still fun. CoD4 didn't innovate much, as far as I can tell, it was still lots of fun. This touted "innovation" obsession is something the game designers need to get past. There's no shame in revisiting good, old ideas. Just make sure you do it in a fun way. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 9 Joined: 9 May 2008 |
What, no shotgun? A cool shotgun can turn a mediocre game into a..slightly less mediocre game. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 377 Joined: 7 Nov 2007 |
Except both of these aren't FPS. Both are RPG's, albeit slightly different. Remember you don't have to even fire a gun to do most of Deus Ex.
Don't think its abandonware to be honest and advertising links would be breach of escapist rules. As for the original question, FPS became unoriginal as soon as they were made. You go round and shoot things...and thats it. The only real variation came with HL but everything has a dystopian story now - yes bland ahoy! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1784 Joined: 28 Jun 2008    | Exactly, eventually there just isn't anything more to do that isn't silly and won't be dismissed as casual. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 7713 Joined: 30 Jan 2008  | I dunno. As it stands, all the major upcoming FPS's seem to have their own claim to originality and brilliance (with the exception of Halo Chronicles), and all of them look like they've done it well. |
Beat Writer Posts: 193 Joined: 18 Jul 2008 |
Oh dang, I knew I forgot one. Also forgot slightly more advanced machine gun. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3867 Joined: 25 Jan 2008 | For both the RTS and FPS genres, I'm pretty easy to please. I don't mind playing the same style of game over and over, just so long as they mix up the weapons/units from time to time, and give me plenty of new maps. Specific to FPS's, I think today we have a much more varied selection than ever before. Fear, Farcry, and Crysis all went with the "if they can use it, you can use it" approach to weapons, where enemies drop entire firearms, not just ammo. I love this, it takes me back to my DOOM days going "Why the fuck am I using a 9mm pistol when the zombies use a 9mm rifle? Why can't I pick up their rifle?". That guns are also disposable works awesome, I like just ditching the shotgun for the SMG when ammo runs dry. Downside is the limitation, three or four guns really is a bunch to carry, and you tend to lug around at least one "just in case" anti-boss weapon, which could have made life just that much easier if you'd dropped it for that other mainstay gun. As much as I love the flexibility of the Fear/Cry method, we still have more options than that. There's the Halo "Use it and lose it" method, where you only have two guns. Similar to Fear/Cry, but with Covie arms not reloadable, you HAVE to drop them for another. And the classic Doom3 style, multiple guns, gods only know how you can carry them all. So long as games keep trying original new things, like Crysis's gun upgrades (or Pariah's, they did it first). New features like Portal's portals, Fear bullet time, Crysis's adjustable superpowers, or Prey's astral walking... Just something to differentiate each game, I'm happy. Gimme the guns, gimme a gimmick, and I don't care if its zombies, aliens, or nazis, I'll play. |
PROBATION  Posts: 2220 Joined: 12 May 2008  | I don't think the problem is with a lack of creativity, I think it's with the problem of Over saturation. Gamer's are simply sick of having the next Halo shoved in their face. To put it in layman's terms "No...More...Pie" User was put on probation for: Unskippable: Eternal Sonata. (7 days) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1132 Joined: 8 Jul 2008    | Becoming? Unoriginal and bland? I know! How about a gun that fires Throwing stars and fire and your enemies are rabid bunnies. Yeah, dumb, I know, wanna fight about it? |
Copy Clerk Posts: 58 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 | TF2 has a fairly standard weapon-set (pistols, rockets, grenades, machine guns, sniper rifle, flamethrower etc) but it's still different enough from the rest to really distinguish itself. Mostly down to the very different art direction and compartmentalising the weapons into the different classes, so not every person has every weapon. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3333 Joined: 10 Mar 2008    | After a recent argument with my friend at how I couldn't tell the difference between any fighting game (In this case Brawl vs. Soul Calibur 4, with him saying that "Brawls different because you have to knock people out of the stage, which isn't 'killing'" which is totaly bullshit) which eventually evolved into how he couldn't tell the difference between CoD4 and possibly Killzone 2 (though he did admit that Resistance 2 does look appealing, if only slightly). I failed miserably at trying to explain to him because A)I havn't played Killzone 2 yet so I don't want to make assumptions and B)I'm so much better at arguing over forums (THANKYOU Edit Button) but it was ironic when he said that "you know the difference between fighting games, you're just denying it" when he was saying that he couldn't tell the difference between FPSs. I came to the conclusion (sortof) that based on what I saw, Killzone 2 is extremely aestetic and cinematic compared to some of the other FPSs I've seen. Of course, I just told him that he had to find out for himself, like I have to find out what's the difference between fighting games, but NoOoOoOoO he kept on bitching about how I knew that fighting games were different but I didn't want to admit it. I want to say "no, there are some original ones" but after that fight, I'm just not sure that anything is setting itself apart anymore. EDIT: How I love you... |
Muckraker  Posts: 275 Joined: 15 Sep 2008  | i have to say i am not disappointed with the current fps's, halo, cod 4, unreal tournament ect but yes they are getting unoriginal |
Paperboy Posts: 15 Joined: 6 Aug 2008  | i think its less about originality and more about realism issues. devs seem to think that realism sells. for me COD4 was a disaster. it was like they copy/pasted COD2 and made it modern. i just could'nt like it. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 689 Joined: 5 Jul 2008  |
Well, we already have a game where you have a gun that shoots shurikens and lightning. What else do you need? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 7713 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Actually, we have two, but the others in a TPS/platformer. |
PROBATION Posts: 2220 Joined: 12 May 2008 |
How about a gun that fires Sawblades? That was my favorite part of Half Life 2. User was put on probation for: Unskippable: Eternal Sonata. (7 days) |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 771 Joined: 6 Feb 2008  |
woooo Zombinies \o/ As for orginionality: FPS' havent been origional since the orgional Doom & Wolfenstien. "3d" + guns + bad guys is all there is too them & all there needs to be. Presentation not innovation is the key to this genre (unless u count mixing it up with other genres like RPG etc) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3203 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 |
Not really original if we already have it, now is it? |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 85 Joined: 15 Jun 2008 | Whilst you're restricting yourself to a singly genre, obviously it's pretty goddam impossible to be 'original'. I mean, how much has really changed between Doom and Crysis? I'm trying to be optimistic though, really. Incresingly powerful physics engines are letting Devs do things that would have been impossible a few years ago, and these are starting to have real gameplay effects... So, whilst in many ways we're being unoriginal, we're getting really really good at it. I hope. P.s: On a random aside, I actually bought Painkiller the other day (mmmmmmm!!! Bargin bins!!!). So. Much. Insane. Fun. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 691 Joined: 31 Aug 2008   | Yes, that's why the only fps I buy now are Valve games, Valve games, and Bioshock. |
Paperboy Posts: 25 Joined: 3 Jul 2008 | I recon FAr Cry 2 looks good and fairly original kinda |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 7713 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
It is if said Sawblades bounce around, shredding everything surrounding you, or alternatively embed themselves in your opponents body, and keep spinning. The Splicer is awesome. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 589 Joined: 29 Jul 2008 | Becoming? No. Also why does everyone seem to casually overlook Metroids additions to the first person market? It brought puzzles blowing stuff up and upgradey fun together. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 90 Joined: 17 Feb 2008 | They have never been very original, since Wolfenstein that is. Run around and murder things, check. Run around looking for keycards or a switch to open doors, check. Much else... not really. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 7713 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Okay, lets look at it in a different perspective. When was the last time you saw a really creative western RPG? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3333 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
Ratchet and Clank? :P |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 7713 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Would Ratchet and Clank really allow you to embed it in your enemies face ? Resistance 2.(thinking about how they continue to shoot you when they have a sawblade cutting open their skull is kinda disturbing) |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 492 Joined: 21 Nov 2007 | They're not unoriginal, they're played out. Pretty much every other Xbox title is a shooter. Just stop playing them for a while. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3333 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
Close enough. I remember there being a couple of sawblade sortof weapons that bounced off surfaces, though not embedding them. |
I personally think yes. The reason being is that if I were to ask anyone or you were to ask me to name off the top of my head an original shooter released in the past year, I wouldnt have an answer, standards have become so low that an FPS has a whoopdie doo weapon customization system for online play and doesnt take place in WW II is considered original, and no, I dont think that COD 4 is original nor as fun as everyone claims, I guess I just like something different from short single player and dressed up multiplayer with everyone screaming n00b every time you kill them. Portal seems to be the only shooter that said "Lets try something different", which is why I loved it so much, not to mention the only FPS games I'm looking forward to are Fallout 3 and Deus Ex 3, though I first of all never played Deus Ex 2 (Although I loved Deus Ex 1) and I never played any of the fallouts. The same kinda goes for Open Worlders but at least people are still making new ideas for Open worlders (Prototype looks awesome) I dunno, I guess I just like originality better.
Oh well, I can still play Deus Ex so Im happy, and if anyone could tell me how to get a System Shock 2 download it would be great, because Its pretty damn hard to find it in stores now.