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Paperboy  Posts: 46 Joined: 2 Aug 2008     | |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 444 Joined: 2 Jun 2008   | (sigh) is this really necessary they didn't. just like you were not hit by a train this morning. shall we toy with theories on what injury's you might of sustained if you did? the reason they didn't is because they knew technologically they couldn't compete with the other consoles so they hit a whole new demographic. here's what would happen. 1.1m sales overall mostly to small children, they get a few exclusive games that become cult classics and sell for hundreds on ebay. the consoles are then sold second hand and acquired by mainly stonners who use them for many years in their garages with friends. even though not having great sales is remembered fondly and make Nintendo a small profit. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 225 Joined: 12 Sep 2008   | Let me run through your theories.
Nintendo has a serious number of hardcore fanboys. It would have sold at least the same amount as the GC, if not more, because of them.
The main reason the PS2 is still going is because their games are easily ported to the Wii (a huge bugbear of mine). Remove the Wii, you're developing games for one, outdated console. There's no profit, therefore it doesn't happen. Also, you misspelt 'generation'.
I suspect this would be the most likely scenario. Mostly because of Halo. Also, 'graviating' isn't a word. You probably mean 'gravitating'.
If PS2 owners went for familiarity, then why isn't it the market leader now? Because PS2 owners looked at the options and went with the console they thought was best. Some went 360, some went PS3. Never ignore the power of people to choose. Personally, I'm rather glad Nintendo took the route they did. It means I can afford two consoles instead of just one, and that means double the choice. Thanks, Nintendo! |
Beat Writer Posts: 174 Joined: 12 Apr 2008  | They wouldn't of been as popular and the six-axis would be praised as brilliant. It would also be a lot more boring, and might put the gaming business out of business. (due to their being few children to buy the system in the future. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2863 Joined: 10 Mar 2008     |
I'm sorry, one little nit-pick here, that's completely wrong. Ps2 is still going because there are, believe it or not, still games coming out for it and some exclusively for it (I believe the Persona series is one). Hell, most multiplatform titles are on the PS2 as well, Force Unleashed comes on the top of my head, so is Mercinaries 2. People are still buying them so it's still a viable platform. But anyway, if Nintendo did make an HD Wii or whatever, it would be quite ironic as Nintendo is usually all about gameplay and not graphics. Either way though, it would sell like hotcakes and make people buy HD TVs. So a win win for everyone I guess? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 632 Joined: 15 Jun 2008  | If Nintendo hadn't made the Wii but instead made a higher graphics version of the gamecube then Nintendo would be trailing along in sales as a distant third and Xbox360/PS3 wouldn't be limping along with fatal Wiimote inflicted wounds. HD is not what this generation about. Sure that's what Xbox and PS3 want it to be about. But it isn't. It's about accessibility. The Wii was accessible to people who don't play videogames and now is bringing them farther into hardcore territory. The PS3 and Xbox are never going to pass the Wii. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them became a niche. |
Beat Writer Posts: 225 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 |
If there are new and original games being made for the PS2 alone, then I have yet to see them. Mind you, I'm not really looking, but if it's a new game and it's not in the PS2 charts, then a lot of retailers here in the UK don't tend to stock it, and that's pretty much a death curse. Most, if not all, the multiplatform games that end up on the PS2 get ported over to the Wii. Major offenders are film tie-ins. Iron Man, Hulk, Barnyard, WALL-E, Ice Age, etc, but there are other games that are released on every platform under the sun and the PS2 versions are almost identical to the Wii one, with some Wiimote controls tacked on. The original point I was trying to make was that if there was only a lo-res version for one console rather then two, it wouldn't see as much money coming back in, not be worth the effort, and the PS2 probably wouldn't still be going. I'll admit I may be wrong in select cases, but for the most part, lazy ports seem to be the case. So while I may be slightly wrong, I don't think I'm completely wrong. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2863 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
I was more or less refering to the statement when you said "If there was no Wii the PS2 wouldn't be here". It's more or less the other way around, since PS2 games are so easily ported to the Wii. Besides, the PS2 is still a vialbe platform because it still has the sheer amount of games for it. It may be absolete tech-wise but the software is still there. Only when Sony discontinues them will the PS2 die. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1127 Joined: 22 Jun 2008    | If Nintendo made the Wii same as they have, but included HD graphics, PS3/Xbobx360 would be in the meatgrinder. [/daydream] |
Beat Writer Posts: 225 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 | Tempting though it is to keep it going, I'm gonna stop the quotation tree. I don't think I actually said 'No Wii, no PS2'. I may have done so in as many words, but then you have to consider this was in relation to an original point of 'If the Wii was a massive power beast, the PS2 would still be popular', a point I disagreed with, stating why. You then found issue with my reasoning. I don't have a problem with that, it's all part of a healthy debate. I just think that my original point was right. You have to admit, most PS2 games these days are ported to the Wii. The original point I was trying to make was that if the Wii was a massive power beast (as was the original question), then there wouldn't be as much incentive to make these easily portable games, as they would only be for the one system. As such, those games wouldn't have been made, there wouldn't really be any new releases for the PS2 and the system would probably have been discontinued by Sony by now. I'm not saying that's the case now. It's not. The PS2 is still getting games, but I don't think you can deny that it's entering the final stages of its lifespan. I doubt it'll get many more games outside of the ports it still seems to be getting at the moment. |
Paperboy Posts: 46 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 | Darth: sure the ps2 is getting games, espacially in Japan where it's still pretty popular. |
Beat Writer Posts: 225 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 | I has a nemesis? Awesome! Now all I need is a cape and the transformation is complete. :p I don't physically oppose everything you stand for, we just disagree on a few things. I may have come across as somewhat strong, and for that I apologize, but the points I made are what I think would happen if the hypothetical situation you proposed were to happen. And for some reason, I like to pick up when people spell long words wrongly. I guess that's just the English k-nnnnnnnnnnnniggit in me (A cookie if you get the reference - you'll probably have to say it out loud). |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3002 Joined: 8 May 2008    |
There are 130 (million) PS2s sold. Even if all the people that bought a Wii had a PS2 there would only be 32.87(million) people that moved from PS2 to Wii, and since when was the PS2 casual anyway its best sellers are the GTA games |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 93 Joined: 31 Aug 2008  | Ah yes, but life is not a matter of what if, it is a matter of what is. The truth is, they did not release a truely next gen system, because they know their audience. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 67 Joined: 27 Aug 2008 | Well this is gunna seem brief compared to all this stuff...but if nintendo made an HD console my bet is they'd be out of business by now |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 499 Joined: 31 Jul 2008  |
And they hate them with a passion. Everything I want to say has mostly been said. If the Wii had tech and specs to at least compete with the 360 and PS3 while retaining motion controls, everything would be peachy. If it were just the average powerhouse. they'd still be pushing consoles, but not making a killing. |
Muckraker  Posts: 283 Joined: 17 May 2007 |
Hand me my cookie, oh Knight Who Says "Ni"! It's not a bad topic (despite the hate from a few commenters). I agree the 360 would be in an even stronger position than it is now, since the Xbox had gathered so much credibility as a game machine for a Western audience. Sixaxis wouldn't exist, but that's no loss. PS3 would be struggling regardless, because $1000 (AUD, or the equivalent wherever you live) is just too high for a game console and not enough people want Blu Ray for that price; however, it might be doing even better in Japan. E3 might still exist, but it would still suck. The main difference? A HELL of a lot less consoles would be sold this time around. The astronomical sales of the Wii would NOT be transferred to the 360 or the PS3. There would be a lot less money sloshing around the game development industry for refreshing games like Zack & Wiki and De Blob to get made. Your parents and (in some cases) your girlfriend wouldn't have come around to the idea that video game consoles could be fun for, y'know, normal people. And that's sad. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 385 Joined: 9 May 2008 | As much as I love most of the stuff Nintendo makes (the DS Lite is turning into the system I play on the most now), I really didn't like the Wii. It turned out to be a big disapointment for me. I read all the hype, tech reviews etc for months before finally getting one. I was working at a retail store at the time, and our supervisor set aside a few Wii's for sales associates to buy at a discount so we could actually answer customers' questions about the system. I'm sure that ticked off any customer who found out since everybody was trying to buy a Wii at that time only to get the "we're out" answer. However, it was smart on the part of the store since you can only tell customers about something in detail if you have experienced it for yourself. I was really excited at first and got the console, extra controllers, games etc. I played the first round of games (some of them with my wife) that came out last year. Most of them turned out to be awful. I only liked Marble Madness, Blazing Angels and Wii Sports. I tried every feature the Wii had. Online was buggy and slow with few features. Most downloadable games were not very good or I already had them on other older systems. Most of the channels were pointless especially since I could do everything the Wii did (except motion control) only much better on my PC. After having the system for several months, I actually gave up on it and sold it on Ebay. Maybe it was a mistake but by that time, I was hardly even playing it anymore. I had gravitated back to my DS, PC and Xbox 360. If Nintendo had released an HD console with graphics on par with Xbox 360, motion sensors that actually worked as well as Nintendo claimed they would (most of the time, I felt like I was barely in control of the games and that it would be much easier to forgo the arm waving and just press buttons again), online service comparable to Xbox Live, timely shipments of consoles to stores etc, it would have blown all other consoles out of the water. If Nintendo had deliverd on their claim to make your motions transfer to the characters on the screen instead of just making motions take the place of hitting a button or moving a stick to trigger canned animations (in the case of 90% of the games I played) they would have buried the PS3. The PS3 had motion sensing too but it was even more pitiful than the Wii's was. Shoot, after a few months Psyclone came out with a controller for the PS2 that did exactly what the one for the PS3 did, so motion sensing turned out to be not so hard after all (at least to the extent that it was used). The only fly in the ointment of this "dream Nintendo console" is that if it had motion control that really worked plus next gen graphics, it would also probably cost more than a PS3 and very few people would buy it. Nintendo was aiming at casual gamers and it worked. The console I described above would have been seen as yet another overpriced toy for the hard core gamers like the PS3 is seen. Oh well, it's like saying what if Ford made a car as great as a Porshe but for the same price as a Focus. It didn't happen in the past and probably never will. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 632 Joined: 15 Jun 2008 | I just think the next gen graphics aren't as important as people think. I find most PS3/Xbox360 games to be blurry and abnormaly hard to make out. It's either black-hole-no-light-can-escape-from-it dark or OHMYGODMYEYES bright. The slightest movement turns everything into a blur. And everybody just has to have fucking grass with 9-bajillion polygons that totally destroys your framerate. Looking at the Wii I don't really see how the graphics are all that inferior. They are much easier to follow and they get the job done. The motion control works fine, people that complain about it are just babies. How exactly do you plan on controlling your character with only two motion sensors? Of course they had to use canned animations. Otherwise you'd have to be wearing a suit of sensors, ones for your feet and elbows and knees and hands and head. That would be ridiculous. One last thing. Has anyone else noticed that the Wii is the only platform that actually has games that aren't Shooters of some variety, whether first person or third person the Xbox and PS3 only have shooters. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 961 Joined: 19 May 2008 | I don't pretend to have any idea how it would have affected the console market as a whole, but I don't think it would have sold anywhere near as well as the wii. |
Beat Writer Posts: 132 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 | I think it would mean failure the gamecube was just as powerfull as the ps2 but didn't compete in sales however the Wii is the real winner this time round |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 353 Joined: 27 Apr 2008 | All what would happen is Mario would be in higher res. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 106 Joined: 19 Sep 2008 | Arn't Nintendo looking at bringing out a built-from-theground-up HD version of the wii? If its got an inbuilt BluRay player, its gonna give one less excuse to get a ps3 (I've not really looked into it much, but seen a few headlines) And without the motion control stuff, the HD Nintendo consul would probably have flopped like the GC, enough to break even for the big N but not making any profits really. All the fanboys (myself include) would have got it for the exclusive nintendoy goodness. But yes, it would most likely have failed, unless they actually allowed some decent bloodnguts games on it. (Damn kiddie friendly people) |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 389 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 | It probably would have done about the same as the Gamecube. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2863 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
LittleBigPlanet anyone? This thread's got me thinking, we need a resident Nintendo-Fan here. Indigo_Dingo's the Ps3 Fanboy, Shatnershaman is the 360 fanboy, but who's going to be the Wii one? Any volunteers? |
Muckraker  Posts: 241 Joined: 20 Mar 2008   |
That's because shooters are annoying to learn and get right on a wii. But on-topic Nintendo could re-release the N64 with maybe a 2 button controller and the fanboys(some of them are barely able to think and breathe at the same time) would still worship it as if it was the best thing gaming ever produced. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 106 Joined: 19 Sep 2008 |
Yo /waves. Tho I like to think I have somewhat more brainpower then an average fanboy. I can write in complete sentences and the like. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2863 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
That's fine, you just have to not see through most reason, but it's going to be a long time before you're considered the "official" Nintendo Fanboy. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 84 Joined: 7 Sep 2008 | If they had brought out an HD console, the price would have gone up. Development costs for software would have likely risen too so we wouldnt have LBP on the PS3 is the only game at the moment thats got me tempted to invest in that console. In the end you would have a more expensive also ran with a few quirky motion controls sat next to I like the setup we have. In my case a 360 for the graphics hungry hardcore games and a wii for quirky |
Copy Clerk Posts: 97 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 | Umm if the wii made a HD version i'd actually play it alot more...the games are fun sure but the graphics are a bit hard to swallow on a 65inch hd tv..with everything else looking so epic it's jsut a little too rough around the edges. I still play my old ps2 and gamecube on my small sony wega in the spare room more then my wii in the living room. I'd be all about smoothly rendered brightly colored 1080p cartoony goodness |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 961 Joined: 19 May 2008 | |
What would've happened if instead of reinventing themselves with the wii, Nintendo had just made a Gamecube with better specs. To seperate itself from the other consoles it had, I don't know, an extra button or something.
I think this is what would happen: No1 It would sell worse than the gamecube, and Nintendo would start to look a bit like Sega.
No2 The ps2 would continue selling throughout this genaration.
No3 the Xbox 360 would win the generation, with ps2 owners graviating towards the cheapest console.
or
The ps3 would win the generation with ps2 owners going for familiarity.
But what are your thoughts?