nikomas1:

Eldritch Warlord:
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I dislike master chief for being a trugh and trugh covenant murder machine, Prove me wrong, I dare you to ^^. But honestly he could just as well have been the "Anti-Covenant Android". And what's up with the brief mention in halo 3 about bieng the last forerunner (How in the world is that posseble if he was picked of a perfectly normal planet when he was a kid?).

I say that halo CE is the better one because it had a much better story and it were more..... ehhhh, Cunclusive? (God I hope that's even a real word) Also it didn't end with a frigin cliffhanger like both other games.

But my opinions are mine and im not that much of an online games, You have to agree that CE was the best singleplayer game of them all, Or in other words, Had the best campaign. I still remember how the first flood level made me call my friend come over for some support ^^.

I think the Chief's inhumanity is pretty strong and interesting character trait, but that's just me. As for him being the last Forerunner are you referencing:

"You are a child of my makers, inheiritor of all they left behind. You are Forerunner . . ." -343 Guilty Spark

? I can see where get that with only the one quote, however:

"Your" (humanity's, but specifically Johnson and Miranda) "forefathers wisely set aside their compasion. Steeled themsleves for what needed to be done. I see now why they left you behind. You were weak. And gods" (Forerunners) "must be strong." - The Prophet of Truth

See? What Spark said to the Chief applies to all humans. It's why only humans can control Halo.

Onward; "conclusive" is a real word, did you mean that? And besides, all Halo games end on a cliffhanger. Remember Guilty Spark after the credits? Or how about the lack of victory over the Covenant? Maybe the Chief being stranded in the dead of space in a short-range fighter-bomber lets you know they have more to tell. You can argue that the end of Halo 1 is the least cliffhanging but if you're saying Halo 3 ends in a cliffhanger then you can do no more without hypocrisy.

That said, I respect and understand your opinions even if your explaination of their formation is flawed.

btw: if Halo 3 was about one mission longer I wouldn't agree that CE had the best campaign, but as it stands I do.

Decoy Doctorpus:
Actually. You know what would be great? If I read this book to the escapist users via youtube.

Going to pull an Andy Kaulfman/Great Gadsby for us, Decoy Doctorpus? Every time someone mentions "Halo" and "Book" in the same sentence I desire to strangle a kitten. Someone bring me a dozen kittens.

Halo is a action game. It doesn't aspire to be anything more then an action game with a derivative storyline. It does not have -CANON- because only games where narrative is a primary focus get to have -CANON-. Thats like saying it's canon Max Paynes wife died in the first game, or something. It's a stupid action game! Who cares! Get over it. I refuse to acknowledge Halo has a plotline. The Formula is very simple, Super Marine + Aliens = Kill They Ass.

Thats it. Thats all there is to it. End.

Yeah, it's made clear (again, in books) that all of humanity is descended from the forerunners. I believe one of the forerunner journal things in Halo 3 mention something about the guy planting a garden on Earth, as in Garden of Eden?

Also, spoiler(not real spoiler so I'm not going to bother making the spoiler box): The Covenant prophets knew all the time that the humans were forerunner descendents. They kept it a secret so they could wage a war against them. Wait, did they say that in Halo 3? I think I remember something like that when Truth died. I don't know. Whatever. Books are good.

ElephantGuts:
Yeah, it's made clear (again, in books) that all of humanity is descended from the forerunners. I believe one of the forerunner journal things in Halo 3 mention something about the guy planting a garden on Earth, as in Garden of Eden?

Also, spoiler(not real spoiler so I'm not going to bother making the spoiler box): The Covenant prophets knew all the time that the humans were forerunner descendents. They kept it a secret so they could wage a war against them. Wait, did they say that in Halo 3? I think I remember something like that when Truth died. I don't know. Whatever. Books are good.

Oh lord... Humanity are the ancient chosen ones? Let me get the jack daniels and start reading *sigh*

Someone wants their own way..... Seriously if you like halo you will buy the game

Meh you guys proved me wrong on the forerunner thingy, Thanks for explaining, Makes sense now.
I have only read "The fall of reach" And "The flood" so I can't realy comment on the other books, Im looking into gettin the "ghosts of onix" book, Hey was it realy onix?

And games can make good books, If you have an imaginative mind while you read, I could see those space battle scenes before me when I read those parts, Maaan I wished I was a game Dev.

Halo CE had a small cliffhanger yeah but I didn't think of it like that back then, I thought "ok he blew Halo and escaped", I hate the end of halo 3, I mean anyone who's seen the legendary ending knows what i mean. That's a cliffhanger alright.

I actually played through all three Halo games without any grasp of the plot. I just trodded through each level shooting bad guys, whilst occasionally being slowed down by some hologramatic lady dressed in a suspiciously little amount of clothing. I just didn't follow what the hell was going on.

I dread ever playing MSG4. That would be a mindfuck for me.

TsunamiWombat:

Decoy Doctorpus:
Actually. You know what would be great? If I read this book to the escapist users via youtube.

Going to pull an Andy Kaulfman/Great Gadsby for us, Decoy Doctorpus? Every time someone mentions "Halo" and "Book" in the same sentence I desire to strangle a kitten. Someone bring me a dozen kittens.

Halo is a action game. It doesn't aspire to be anything more then an action game with a derivative storyline. It does not have -CANON- because only games where narrative is a primary focus get to have -CANON-. Thats like saying it's canon Max Paynes wife died in the first game, or something. It's a stupid action game! Who cares! Get over it. I refuse to acknowledge Halo has a plotline. The Formula is very simple, Super Marine + Aliens = Kill They Ass.

Thats it. Thats all there is to it. End.

Hmm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_series#Story, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_Combat_Evolved#Synopsis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_2#Synopsis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_3#Synopsis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Halo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Chief_(Halo), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortana, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbiter_(Halo), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_(Halo), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_(Halo), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_of_Halo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(megastructure), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_reach#Synopsis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_The_Flood#Synopsis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_First_Strike#Synopsis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_Ghosts_of_Onyx#Synopsis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_Contact_Harvest#Synopsis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARTAN_Project, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_Elite

Seems like a lot of plot and canon to me.

EDIT: Forgot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_Graphic_Novel#Stories and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_Uprising#Plot

Decoy Doctorpus:

nikomas1:

Decoy Doctorpus:
If you're going to bitch about realism then maybe the giant lizards shouldn't speak English.

You know what? The book "the fall of reach" states that the armors they wear has translation software installed, makes sense dont ya think? Im reading the book right now by the way.

Then why do their mouths move in time with the English pronunciation?

Also; allow me, with one quotation, to sum up the entirety of Fall of Reach and why any human being who can read it without bursting into rolling fits of hysterical laughter is, to put it kindly, a mouth breather.

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Why can't anyone accept the fact that it would SUCK to have an entire faction to not speak english ? WHY NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PROTOSS FROM STARCRAFT SPEAKING ENGLISH?
For me it is just an acceptable break from reality. (P.S I AM ONE THOSE the rare bread of people that actually LIKED the Arbiteres character, as well as the levels you play as him. Well that was until he got recked in Halo 3)

Well, I've read the books, and the Halo 3 terminal translations and interpretations, and I have to say that there's plenty of nice tit-bits, story arcs and intrigue if your willing to take it as a work of science fiction, not as some factual novel. I mean, come on! 'oh noes, halo is an action game, so I can't read books based on the same material' - wtf? that's just a teensy bit closed-minded, no?
As to the end of Halo 3, I loved it. Left the universe open for future development, just like the end of a good book or film. No cheesy neat wrapping up of all the loose ends, no soppy romantic scenes, just a nice ease out with the perfect level of suspense to keep interest and anticipation going. Plus it was almost a tribute to the end of the first game. The addition of the Forerunner installation just opened up more options for future development. Loved it.

On topic, I will ALWAYS hate Halo Wars with a passion because once it was announced Microsoft closed down the Halo Mod for CnC Generals, which was looking amazing, and was just a couple of months from beta release. Those capitalist corporate bstrds. I mean, they're not even planning to release Halo Wars on PC, so WTF? Afraid that some mod team's efforts would overshadow their own? If so, then I have very low expectations for this game.

Ahem.

"Yes" John replied. "Everyone take guns that use .390/caliber ammunition so we can share clips if we have to. Except Linda."
Linda gravitated to a matte-black long-barreled rifle-- the SRS99C-S2 AM. The sniper rifle system had modular sections: scopes, stocks, barrels, even the firing mechanism could be swapped. She quickly stripped the rifle down and reconfigured it. She assembled a flash-and-sound suppression barrel, and then to compensate for the lower muzzle velocity, she increased the ammunition caliber to .450. She ditched all the sights and scopes and settled for an integrated link to her helmets Heads-Ups display. She pocketed five extended ammunition clips.

I really think this speaks for itself.

Watch out Salman Rushdie.

Edit: Oh and I just rechecked my copy of Fall of Reach. It's Halsey.

Anomynous 167:

Decoy Doctorpus:

nikomas1:

Decoy Doctorpus:
If you're going to bitch about realism then maybe the giant lizards shouldn't speak English.

You know what? The book "the fall of reach" states that the armors they wear has translation software installed, makes sense dont ya think? Im reading the book right now by the way.

Then why do their mouths move in time with the English pronunciation?

Also; allow me, with one quotation, to sum up the entirety of Fall of Reach and why any human being who can read it without bursting into rolling fits of hysterical laughter is, to put it kindly, a mouth breather.

['[/i]

Why can't anyone accept the fact that it would SUCK to have an entire faction to not speak english ? WHY NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PROTOSS FROM STARCRAFT SPEAKING ENGLISH?
For me it is just an acceptable break from reality. (P.S I AM ONE THOSE the rare bread of people that actually LIKED the Arbiteres character, as well as the levels you play as him. Well that was until he got recked in Halo 3)

You may notice I wasn't bitching about them speaking English. OP was bitching about a lack of realism in one area, I pointed out another he neglected to mention.

Decoy Doctorpus:
Ahem.

"Yes" John replied. "Everyone take guns that use .390/caliber ammunition so we can share clips if we have to. Except Linda."
Linda gravitated to a matte-black long-barreled rifle-- the SRS99C-S2 AM. The sniper rifle system had modular sections: scopes, stocks, barrels, even the firing mechanism could be swapped. She quickly stripped the rifle down and reconfigured it. She assembled a flash-and-sound suppression barrel, and then to compensate for the lower muzzle velocity, she increased the ammunition caliber to .450. She ditched all the sights and scopes and settled for an integrated link to her helmets Heads-Ups display. She pocketed five extended ammunition clips.

I really think this speaks for itself.

Watch out Salman Rushdie.

I don't, they're 12-year-olds. Don't you think it makes sense for them to be a little show-offy?

Or is it the level of detail that bothers you?

Bowstring:
I actually played through all three Halo games without any grasp of the plot. I just trodded through each level shooting bad guys, whilst occasionally being slowed down by some hologramatic lady dressed in a suspiciously little amount of clothing. I just didn't follow what the hell was going on.

I dread ever playing MSG4. That would be a mindfuck for me.

I Wikipedia'd it. The Plots alright. Somewhat derivative.

The basic idea is Ye Ancient Olde Alien Empire (The Forerunners) who came after Even Ye Older Alien Empire (The Precursers), died out stopping ye evil xenomorphic viral plague (The Flood) by creating and using the 'Halo' units- WMD's that anhillate all sentient life (and I assume life in general) on a large, large scale, denying Evil Alien Plage (The Flood) of it's food, leaving it dormant. Much later, the Convenant, which is like the Combine if it was run by the Space Papacy, begins to worship Ye ancient olde alien empire (The Forerunners) as gods, after they end a war and form a peace treaty with the first race to enter the Covenant (The Elites) upon discovering a Forerunner relic on their planet. These two races form "The Covenant", and go on a happy religeous fueld romp through the galaxy, destroying the societies of other races and subsuming them into the warm busom of the Covenants religeous society.

Meanwhile, Humanity is behaving much like humanity always has. It's the far future, there's one world government, and we're colonizing space like horny bunnys. However, as is typically the case, the colonies that are further away from earth tend to get the short shrift despite being important in terms of natural materials. There are various unsuccessful revolutions, causing the Weyland Yuantai colonial marines (I mean, the USNC) to begin the secret SPARTAN project to creat genetically engineered supersoldiers (like Space Marines from WH40k) in order to put down these rebellions. Then, the Protoss (The Covenant) bomb the F**K out of one of our outlying colonies when they discover various Forerunner relics there. Furthermore, the Evil Covenant Space Papacy discovers that humanity is infact descended from the Forerunners, and in a Da Vinci Code-esque decision decide it's better to kill the descendants of god then let their power or the union of the Covenant be challenged.

Insert humanity getting it's ass kicked, alot. And THEN we come to the start of the first game.

Humanity is getting slapped around like an eight year old, so they recall all their SPARTAN super soldiers (The only ones performing well against the aliens) to plan a deep strike against the Covenants home planet and hopefully stem the tide. The Covenant shows up at that incovenient time and kills ALL of the Spartans while they're gathered in one place- Except one. Master Chief, who is aboard The Pillar of Autumn, the only ship that escapes the attack by turning it's tail and dumping into hyperspace in a random direction. They are persued by the Covenant and crashland on HALO, a big old space construct with rings. Master Chief jumps ship, murder ensues, desperate to stop the green demon the Covenant unknowingly unleash the Zerg (The Flood) and Master Chief is advised by the HALO's AI "Guilty Spark" to retrieve the Macguffin (The Index) in order activate the Halo to stop the Flood. Master Chief being the rampent errand boy he is does so, only to discover after all his hard work that activating the Halo will destroy all life in the galaxy. Saying "F*ck that" Master Chief instead blows up The Pillar of Autumn, destroying the Halo so Guilty Spark can't detonate the weapon. Master Chief escapes before everything goes boom, end of first game.

Shall I go on?

Eldritch Warlord:

Decoy Doctorpus:
Ahem.

"Yes" John replied. "Everyone take guns that use .390/caliber ammunition so we can share clips if we have to. Except Linda."
Linda gravitated to a matte-black long-barreled rifle-- the SRS99C-S2 AM. The sniper rifle system had modular sections: scopes, stocks, barrels, even the firing mechanism could be swapped. She quickly stripped the rifle down and reconfigured it. She assembled a flash-and-sound suppression barrel, and then to compensate for the lower muzzle velocity, she increased the ammunition caliber to .450. She ditched all the sights and scopes and settled for an integrated link to her helmets Heads-Ups display. She pocketed five extended ammunition clips.

I really think this speaks for itself.

Watch out Salman Rushdie.

I don't, they're 12-year-olds. Don't you think it makes sense for them to be a little show-offy?

Or is it the level of detail that bothers you?

It's the fact it reads like a bad piece of fanfiction. Desperate to add some degree of legitamacy to the story the author just throws around random letters and numbers like Tom Clancy after a brain injury.

This isn't detail, the author isn't describing anything, it's the literary equivilent of name dropping and it's pathetic.

Also, to the gentleman who made the "Protoss speaking english and you don't complain" arguement, the Protoss don't speak- they, the cerebrates, and the overmind all communicate telepathically. The only race to -speak- besides the humans are the Zerg, and they all make grunting and hissing and whistling sounds.

That's quite a radical shift for you TsunamiWombat. Were my links helpful?

Eldritch Warlord:
That's quite a radical shift for you TsunamiWombat. Were my links helpful?

Actually I bit the bullet and started Wiki'ing it after my "Let me get the Jack Daniels" and read comment. Okay, the story isn't bad. It isn't great either. I do find it amusing to point out how similar it is to other things though. Mostly because I hope somewhere, i'm making a fanboy cry.

And i'll admit, it...ugh. It makes me want to play the games and i'll probably pick them up when I get a 360.

TsunamiWombat:

Eldritch Warlord:
That's quite a radical shift for you TsunamiWombat. Were my links helpful?

Actually I bit the bullet and started Wiki'ing it after my "Let me get the Jack Daniels" and read comment. Okay, the story isn't bad. It isn't great either. I do find it amusing to point out how similar it is to other things though. Mostly because I hope somewhere, i'm making a fanboy cry.

And i'll admit, it...ugh. It makes me want to play the games and i'll probably pick them up when I get a 360.

That's fine, I actually get kind of annoyed when people say [sci-fi universe A] is bad because it clearly has the traits of [sci-fi universe B] and [sci-fi universe C]. Because to be honest every book and script ever written takes its ideas from somewhere (even The Thousand and One Nights, the first novel ever written, borrows many ideas from religion and oral stories).

But it's always nice to put the ignorant fanboys in their place XD