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sirdanrhodes
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TsunamiWombat:
She doesn't look like an anime character in the first one. Intellectually I prefer the first, because it's realistic and she even looks a little threatening (look at ehr eyes!)

My penis prefers the second. We agree to disagree like this quite often.

PS: Bullshit the second is supposed to be japanese mens tastes. It's Otaku's tastes. She has anime eyes, an anime face, and anime tits.

Quote if you agree with this man!

Joeshie
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I prefer the doctored one as it is more visually appealing to me.

dukethepcdr
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The second one is more like what has been a traditional style in Japanese anime, manga and games. The first one looks like some member of NOW (that feminazi group National Organization for Women in the U.S.) got a hold of the second one and changed it to make it more "politically correct".

Syntax Error
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I like the mash-up better. Kudos to the one who Photoshopped that. I'd have to disagree with the comparison to Major Kusanagi,though. Yes, she's pretty well-endowed, but her character is so fleshed-out (no pun intended) and the fact that you know that she can break you in ways you can't possibly imagine prevents her from being a sex symbol. Even if in the anime and movie (the first one) she did show a lot of skin.

Since the game is basically a platformer using a first-person perspective, you're always gonna have to (quite often) look down to see the edge of a platform you're standing on. If the heroine had D-cup knockers, not only would it seem inappropriate (a woman like that will have back aches the minute she tries to do flips, though flips are not parkour), the game would possibly be broken, cuz her breasts will prevent you from seeing your feet.

At least that's what I think.

Nomadic
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AuntyEthel:
If kids are growing up with images of lolitas in their mind, then what's gonna happen when they reach sexual maturity? And if people get over-obsessed with the "cute lil underage manga girls," then what expectation will they get for real-life sexual experience? I'm no Freud, but surely if someone spends most of their time getting wet over drawings of kids, its gonna spill over into reality which could create major real life problems.

Scrap that argument right now. Centuries of furious attempts have proven that you can't turn a homosexual person heterosexual, regardless of upbringing or exposure to all the naked women they could eat. Why would that be any different for any other sexual preference? It should be a logical realization that according to the same principle, you can't magically change someone's sexual preference from grown women to little girls. There's a world of difference between those two, and if you can't see them, then perhaps this debate is of double importance to you, heh.

Edit: Crap, forgot to post something on-topic!
I prefer the second picture. I actually think it's a bit silly of them to conciously try to make their character forgo the stereotype. I mean christ, why not just depict her like the concept artist pictured her in his/her head? That way it all fits best. Noone's going to get scarred for life because a video game character has larger breasts than normal, living people.

Magnetic2
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I like a girl who can kick my ass, (thinks of gina carano)

AuntyEthel
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Nomadic:

AuntyEthel:
If kids are growing up with images of lolitas in their mind, then what's gonna happen when they reach sexual maturity? And if people get over-obsessed with the "cute lil underage manga girls," then what expectation will they get for real-life sexual experience? I'm no Freud, but surely if someone spends most of their time getting wet over drawings of kids, its gonna spill over into reality which could create major real life problems.

Scrap that argument right now. Centuries of furious attempts have proven that you can't turn a homosexual person heterosexual, regardless of upbringing or exposure to all the naked women they could eat. Why would that be any different for any other sexual preference? It should be a logical realization that according to the same principle, you can't magically change someone's sexual preference from grown women to little girls. There's a world of difference between those two, and if you can't see them, then perhaps this debate is of double importance to you, heh.

I agree you can't turn homo-hetero or vice versa, but people do develop different fetishes. Men who like women and men who like girls still all like females (please don't interpret that as me defending paedo's, I'm just saying they're not necessarily gay). Many people start off normal enough, but start getting into stuff like BDSM, leather, BBWs etc as their life progresses, and as they experience different things. People haven't ever had as much information at their fingertips as they have today, and I think that constant exposure to certain images that many people could not possibly have ever seen before in their lifetime could potentially warp someone's mindset. And I hope that your last line was a joke. C'mon dude, I'm tolerant of all lifestyles, but one...

GloatingSwine
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I prefer the second picture. I actually think it's a bit silly of them to conciously try to make their character forgo the stereotype. I mean christ, why not just depict her like the concept artist pictured her in his/her head? That way it all fits best. Noone's going to get scarred for life because a video game character has larger breasts than normal, living people.
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The first picture is concept art of Faith. If it makes her look threatening it's because in the rest of the picture she's punching a dude's face off.

Also, the fan-shop should have paid more attention to this. It's what a real face looks like.

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Hey GloatingSwine, you go to Destructoid too?

On-topic:
The cosplay pic is great. And the first picture puts why she looked ready to punch someone's face off into perspective.

GloatingSwine
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Nope, but my google-fu is strong.

Capo Taco
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Yes if you just look at this image, the second one is much sexier. And if I were to choose either picture to jerk of to, it would be the second one.

However this is a character part of a game and game world. A game that, as far as I know, is not about sex, but about a runner in a utopian world gone wrong. The first character is much more conducive to that story than the second one. I wouldn't even say it's more believable, but it definitely is much more fitting. I've met quite a few of athletic women in my life, some of whom were capable of some of the things you can do in mirror's edge. None of them had very big breasts. I don't think it's a coincidence, very big breasts tend to disqualify you from making very difficult jumps comfortably. And being very athletic tends to reduce the size of your breasts, as one of my female fellow freerunners lamented.

GloatingSwine:

The first picture is concept art of Faith. If it makes her look threatening it's because in the rest of the picture she's punching a dude's face off.

Thanks for that. It sheds a new light in the comparison of pictures.

DannyDamage
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1st is better. Her eyes are much hotter than the 2nd's and the tits on the 2nd look stupid (shape and spacing). What the hell did the "artist" use as a comparison? Thinking about it, it was probably just inexperienced imagination, or he google'd breasts and used the first pair he found.

It's like they're trying to run away from each other :S

keyton777
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Joeshie:
I prefer the doctored one as it is more visually appealing to me.

i have to go with him
so what if they look odd, its a picture its not like your trying to **** her is it?

if so you a very very sad person

galletea
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Hey Joe:
Man, those things can not be fun to deal with while running all over the place. Am I right ladies?

With her apparent lack of support, not fun to deal with at all.

Kukul
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OMG! What have they done to her face?! Damn pedophiles.

kittenofdeath
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Kukul:
OMG! What have they done to her face?! Damn pedophiles.

Word.

dukethepcdr:
The first one looks like some member of NOW (that feminazi group National Organization for Women in the U.S.) got a hold of the second one and changed it to make it more "politically correct".

Since the mods seem to think that's ok... Hey fuckface, did feminism murder around 6 million jewish people? Gas children to death? No? Don't throw that word around then, ignorant american twat.

Like others said... the first one looks like a real person. The second is an anime caricature.

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SeniorDingDong
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After seeing the full picture, number 2 became really obvious and silly.

Syntax Error
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I thought you also go to destructoid because of the first pic. I'm tempted to link the boobs page of tvtropes. Should I?

Fraught
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Sorry, but all men like large breasts. Well, maybe not some specific people here, but most of men.

Just, Japanese mens' love in breasts express in video games and hentai, not real-life.

shadow skill
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I like both, though I think merging the two faces would be best.

kittenofdeath
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Syntax Error:
tvtropes

I recently discovered that site... can read it for hours, it's great :)

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GloatingSwine
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Syntax Error:
I'm tempted to link the boobs page of tvtropes. Should I?

Which one though?

JMeganSnow
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Hey Joe:
Man, those things can not be fun to deal with while running all over the place. Am I right ladies?

It depends. A good bra takes care of most of the inconvenient bouncing.

wgreer25
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Amnestic:
It's actually incredibly difficult to "know" someone's age, especially if you've only just met them.

It is actually quite easy... cut them in half and count the rings.

Beowulf DW
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I prefer the 1st one in regard to the context of the game as well as in regard to attractiveness. Everything in balance, if you see what I'm saying. Breasts are only attractive when they're in natural/proper proportion to the rest of a woman's body.

Also, as for the whole manga/anime lolicon/fanservice discussion, the age of consent is lower in Japan than in most other countries, is it not? That might shed some light on some of the sexualization of younger looking girls in Japan. I'm not defending it, I'm just saying that in the context of the culture of origin, that kind of shit is tolerated.

Amnestic
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Beowulf DW:
I prefer the 1st one in regard to the context of the game as well as in regard to attractiveness. Everything in balance, if you see what I'm saying. Breasts are only attractive when they're in natural/proper proportion to the rest of a woman's body.

Also, as for the whole manga/anime lolicon/fanservice discussion, the age of consent is lower in Japan than in most other countries, is it not? That might shed some light on some of the sexualization of younger looking girls in Japan. I'm not defending it, I'm just saying that in the context of the culture of origin, that kind of shit is tolerated.

It's really quite low. As a westerner I find that a bit weird, it kinda makes sense why lolicon and depicting girls as "younger" in anime/manga is so widely spread. I didn't realise it was that low ;o

mokes310
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Hey, big or small, I love them all :)

snowplow
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Amnestic:

It's really quite low.

The National age of consent in Japan is 13

brb packin my bags lol

Amnestic
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snowplow:

Amnestic:

It's really quite low.

The National age of consent in Japan is 13

brb packin my bags lol

Knew that was coming ;D

Uszi
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Decoy Doctorpus:

I actually find it quite refreshing EA went with the look they did (we all know EA wears the pants in this relationship), in the original she's got quite the strong jaw line and isn't exactly busting out in the chest cannon department. Could this be the begining of a trend?

Yeah, two bad the first one looks like a grown woman, the second looks like a 14-year-old girl. Except in the boob department.

Uncompetative
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GloatingSwine:

Uncompetative:

The Halo series is a mix of the guns, drop-ships and Colonial Marines of Aliens, the invisible, tall, 'ugly' alien from Predator, Larry Niven's Ringworld, H.A.L. 9000 meets C3P0, quad-biking garb, quad-bikes, ice-hockey goalies, gorillas, muppets and zombies.

Nah, the Halo rings are Culture Orbitals, not Ringworld. (One of the early promo images from Halo was basically the cover of Consider Phlebas with some slight recolouring).

Also, you missed the multicoloured goblins.

image
Book published: 1970, therefore this is the origin of the idea not 'Consider Phlebas' which was published in 1987 by Iain M. Banks.

Goblins tend to be green. Grunts tend to be grey with orange bits of costume, compare:
image

image

...and if more proof were needed that Gonzo the Muppet is an alien there's this:

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I think it is the funny voice that does it for me:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/80003/muppets_gonzo/

P.S. Now that I come to think of it Cortana is probably influenced by Tron's girlfriend Yori:

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Here is a deleted scene presumably deemed too hot for Disney...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qq1py7BQGo

Phoenix Arrow
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I thought she looked better in the first one to be honest. Second one is rather top heavy.
Anyway, so Japanse men like wide eyes and big tits? Well... I can't think of anything more to say.

SecretTacoNinja
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What? The second version is shit! She's a highly trained free-runner so she shouldn't have big boobs, since she's doing so much excercise and what the fuck happened to her eyes and eye tattoo? She looked better, and more of an adult. I hope they're not going through with this travesty.

Sorry for cussing so much, but this is a double-whammy of an insult to women AND Americanization/Westernization which I BOTH HATE.

Hey Joe:
Man, those things can not be fun to deal with while running all over the place. Am I right ladies?

Oh REAL fucking fun.

Uncompetative
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Simple, practical observation. The big chested picture should have wider straps over the shoulders.

After all, one would reasonably expect her to be wearing a non-chafing sports bra.

I personally prefer the undoctored art.

TsunamiWombat
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The concern that the boobiez would make running a huge f**king hassle is legitimate- she wouldn't have a bust like that if she was a runner. She'd kill herself. Don't worry, the second version is fanmade, not official art (the first one is official).

As for the debate on Lolicon, the big problem is the kiddieporn element is hard to nail down because in alot of anime there'll be these girls who look like they're 12, but their characters are noted as being 18- thus circumventing law. Personally, I like anime, but am not turned on or fond of Loli at all (I do kinda like the Gothic Lolita CLOTHS from the set, so long as they're on a real woman). At it's root Japans 'strangeness' is related to their strict social parameters- everything about Japanese culture is very detail and decorum oriented. As a result of this conditioning, anything differentiating from the social norm is discouraged and makes people uncomfortable- and in subsuptable types, this leads to an obsession with the forbidden, and since the cultural Japanese response to these social malnorms is to IGNORE the issue so as not to 'encourage' them, widely divergent social sets have emerged amongst the rebellious youth. Most are similar to and about as honestly 'harmful' as Goths or Emo's here- just an annoyance, not really an issue.

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