Why can't we like things without ruining it? Rick and Morty x McDonalds.

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Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:
Im sorry but, like, I think you just really want to hate on Rick and Morty. I know you are a smart, fair, thoughtful person, but this seems rather back bracking of an attempt to excuse McDonalds and keep the blame on fans.

I think fandoms as a whole get more shit than they deserve, because I dont think it is often the fandoms fault, but the nature of humans. Just like when the internet gets blamed for people being shitty. Its not the internet, people are always shitty, the internet just gave those people a louder voice.

What actual huge fandom doesnt have toxic people? None. Because lots of people are prone to being shitty. There are shitty Rick and Morty fans, shitty Steven Universe fans, shitty MLP fans, shitty sports fans, shitty Firefly fans, shitty Game of Thrones fans, shitty...etc.

Really its like blaming violent video games for mass shootings. Mass shooters might take inspiration from a game, but they were prone to this behavior regardless, and could just as easily been inspired by a book, as many pre-video game shooters have, or even just 'hearing God'.

Blaming Rick and Morty is just unfair to Rick and Morty, and to the fans who ARENT toxic assholes.

What blame should McDonald's have exactly? They disappointed people. Big deal?

The blame for the actual shit falls squarely on the fans who reacted badly

Remember that next time some business screws you over for something -they- said they would do.

Well, for one, it would take a hell of a lot for a riot to be a reasonable reaction to a business failing to meet a promise

Secondly, no one got screwed over. They didn't get some sauce. It's actually outright absurd that you'd compare it to a business screwing someone over.

Thirdly, proportion. This isn't even a business failing to make good on a deal, it was a failed promotion. It's not like they took people's money then change the deal or something. This is like if I went to a business because they had something in stock then found out they didn't. Proper reaction? Go home, don't trust them, be a bit annoyed at them.

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

What blame should McDonald's have exactly? They disappointed people. Big deal?

The blame for the actual shit falls squarely on the fans who reacted badly

Remember that next time some business screws you over for something -they- said they would do.

Well, for one, it would take a hell of a lot for a riot to be a reasonable reaction to a business failing to meet a promise

Secondly, no one got screwed over. They didn't get some sauce. It's actually outright absurd that you'd compare it to a business screwing someone over.

Thirdly, proportion. This isn't even a business failing to make good on a deal, it was a failed promotion. It's not like they took people's money then change the deal or something. This is like if I went to a business because they had something in stock then found out they didn't. Proper reaction? Go home, don't trust them, be a bit annoyed at them.

McDonalds is at fault for essentially false advertising. How people reacted was not ok, but neither was McDonalds basically lying to customers.

You are suggesting they arent at any fault, and that is just not true.

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:
Remember that next time some business screws you over for something -they- said they would do.

Well, for one, it would take a hell of a lot for a riot to be a reasonable reaction to a business failing to meet a promise

Secondly, no one got screwed over. They didn't get some sauce. It's actually outright absurd that you'd compare it to a business screwing someone over.

Thirdly, proportion. This isn't even a business failing to make good on a deal, it was a failed promotion. It's not like they took people's money then change the deal or something. This is like if I went to a business because they had something in stock then found out they didn't. Proper reaction? Go home, don't trust them, be a bit annoyed at them.

McDonalds is at fault for essentially false advertising. How people reacted was not ok, but neither was McDonalds basically lying to customers.

You are suggesting they arent at any fault, and that is just not true.

They aren't at fault for the riot in any sense

If you think I said they aren't at fault for failing to keep up their promise then you're just seeing things you want to see to complain about, my point is that lying about a bit of sauce isn't a big deal at all and that trying to bring that up in the face of a reaction involving rioting is pretty silly

Them lying about a bit of sauce is in the end, pretty inconsequential. It didn't cost people for them not to have it, the impact on any sane person to not getting the sauce is pretty much irrelevant

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

Well, for one, it would take a hell of a lot for a riot to be a reasonable reaction to a business failing to meet a promise

Secondly, no one got screwed over. They didn't get some sauce. It's actually outright absurd that you'd compare it to a business screwing someone over.

Thirdly, proportion. This isn't even a business failing to make good on a deal, it was a failed promotion. It's not like they took people's money then change the deal or something. This is like if I went to a business because they had something in stock then found out they didn't. Proper reaction? Go home, don't trust them, be a bit annoyed at them.

McDonalds is at fault for essentially false advertising. How people reacted was not ok, but neither was McDonalds basically lying to customers.

You are suggesting they arent at any fault, and that is just not true.

They aren't at fault for the riot in any sense

If you think I said they aren't at fault for failing to keep up their promise then you're just seeing things you want to see to complain about, my point is that lying about a bit of sauce isn't a big deal at all and that trying to bring that up in the face of a reaction involving rioting is pretty silly

Im just trying to be fair. Alot of people dont like being fair and just want to criticize those they hate, which seems to lean more on Rick and Morty fans which is unfair to those of us who arent rioting maniacs. You suggest I am just seeing what I want to see, but I make the same accusation to you and many others here.

twistedmic:
So you're pretty much ignoring borderline false advertising and blaming the customers that got fucked over by shitty customer service?

No I'm blaming the customers who are acting like cretins to people that were not the cause of the problem. McD's fucked up by not having enough of the product available but there are ways to complain and make your feelings known without acting like a 4 year old having a tantrum

What's inconsequential to you might not be inconsequential to someone else. I don't drink or smoke so to me it's inconsequential if my local stores only carry twenty packs of cigarettes or six-packs.
I don't like sweet peas so it's inconsequential to me if Target only carries twenty bags of frozen peas.

It's sachets of sauce that haven't even been available for nearly 20 fucking years. Nobody gave a shit about this sauce until it got mentioned in R&M. Most of these people probably weren't even aware of this sauce until then so yeah that's about as inconsequential as it gets

Granted, working in retail/customer service sucks for the most part. But that still doesn't excuse management and corporate from fucking up and causing a hassle, either through incompetence or design.

Management and corporate fucking up is still no excuse for this behaviour over sachets of sauce. Anybody who acts this way to staff over something so stupid is a dickhead plain and simple

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:
McDonalds is at fault for essentially false advertising. How people reacted was not ok, but neither was McDonalds basically lying to customers.

You are suggesting they arent at any fault, and that is just not true.

They aren't at fault for the riot in any sense

If you think I said they aren't at fault for failing to keep up their promise then you're just seeing things you want to see to complain about, my point is that lying about a bit of sauce isn't a big deal at all and that trying to bring that up in the face of a reaction involving rioting is pretty silly

Im just trying to be fair. Alot of people dont like being fair and just want to criticize those they hate, which seems to lean more on Rick and Morty fans which is unfair to those of us who arent rioting maniacs. You suggest I am just seeing what I want to see, but I make the same accusation to you and many others here.

No, you're not really trying to be fair, you're trying to equate people not getting sauce to people rioting

What you're being is overdefensive, I've got nothing against Rick and Morty fans, but in your zealousness to defend the fandom you're trying to diminish the rioters by suggesting that McDonald's somehow shares fault for not having enough sauce

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

They aren't at fault for the riot in any sense

If you think I said they aren't at fault for failing to keep up their promise then you're just seeing things you want to see to complain about, my point is that lying about a bit of sauce isn't a big deal at all and that trying to bring that up in the face of a reaction involving rioting is pretty silly

Im just trying to be fair. Alot of people dont like being fair and just want to criticize those they hate, which seems to lean more on Rick and Morty fans which is unfair to those of us who arent rioting maniacs. You suggest I am just seeing what I want to see, but I make the same accusation to you and many others here.

No, you're not really trying to be fair, you're trying to equate people not getting sauce to people rioting

What you're being is overdefensive, I've got nothing against Rick and Morty fans, but in your zealousness to defend the fandom you're trying to diminish the rioters by suggesting that McDonald's somehow shares fault for not having enough sauce

Im defending the fans that didnt riot.

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:
Im just trying to be fair. Alot of people dont like being fair and just want to criticize those they hate, which seems to lean more on Rick and Morty fans which is unfair to those of us who arent rioting maniacs. You suggest I am just seeing what I want to see, but I make the same accusation to you and many others here.

No, you're not really trying to be fair, you're trying to equate people not getting sauce to people rioting

What you're being is overdefensive, I've got nothing against Rick and Morty fans, but in your zealousness to defend the fandom you're trying to diminish the rioters by suggesting that McDonald's somehow shares fault for not having enough sauce

Im defending the fans that didnt riot.

Why does that mean blaming McDonald's again?

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

No, you're not really trying to be fair, you're trying to equate people not getting sauce to people rioting

What you're being is overdefensive, I've got nothing against Rick and Morty fans, but in your zealousness to defend the fandom you're trying to diminish the rioters by suggesting that McDonald's somehow shares fault for not having enough sauce

Im defending the fans that didnt riot.

Why does that mean blaming McDonald's again?

Cause Im also defending customers (who also didnt riot) who just wanted to try some apparently very tasty sauce but didnt get to because McDonalds fucked up.

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:
Im defending the fans that didnt riot.

Why does that mean blaming McDonald's again?

Cause Im also defending customers (who also didnt riot) who just wanted to try some apparently very tasty sauce but didnt get to because McDonalds fucked up.

Ah, and who's attacking them again?

I mean I said "The blame for the actual shit falls squarely on the fans who reacted badly"

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

Why does that mean blaming McDonald's again?

Cause Im also defending customers (who also didnt riot) who just wanted to try some apparently very tasty sauce but didnt get to because McDonalds fucked up.

Ah, and who's attacking them again?

I mean I said "The blame for the actual shit falls squarely on the fans who reacted badly"

When businesses break their own promises, then fuck them for how people react.

Any reasonable person would just go "oh well..." and go home to watch Archer, which is way better.

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:

Saelune:
Cause Im also defending customers (who also didnt riot) who just wanted to try some apparently very tasty sauce but didnt get to because McDonalds fucked up.

Ah, and who's attacking them again?

I mean I said "The blame for the actual shit falls squarely on the fans who reacted badly"

When businesses break their own promises, then fuck them for how people react.

How about no? People are responsible for acting in proportion to what provokes them. Throwing a tantrum over not getting sauce isn't the business's fault, that's squarely on the people who act like they're 4 year olds

Not to mention, they're abusive to people not even making the decision because despite what your horrid defense, the rioters are shit people

You also are blatantly trying to abstract it to 'a company failed to keep their promises' as if it isn't just a bunch of manchildren throwing a tantrum over not getting sauce

Saelune:
When businesses break their own promises, then fuck them for how people react.

Well you clearly have never worked in customer service if you think this behaviour is in any way justified. Did McDonald's fuck up. Yes but as others have said the reasonable response to not getting a sachet of sauce is to be disappointed and maybe send a complaint email. Not to have a tantrum like a child

MetalDooley:

Saelune:
When businesses break their own promises, then fuck them for how people react.

Well you clearly have never worked in customer service if you think this behaviour is in any way justified. Did McDonald's fuck up. Yes but as others have said the reasonable response to not getting a sachet of sauce is to be disappointed and maybe send a complaint email. Not to have a tantrum like a child

No I have. I have seen both sides, and both sides like to forget the other side is made up of people too.

The Decapitated Centaur:
You also are blatantly trying to abstract it to 'a company failed to keep their promises' as if it isn't just a bunch of manchildren throwing a tantrum over not getting sauce

They did. I dont see why we need to just blame this or that. The rioters are at fault for rioting. McDonalds is at fault for promising things they must have known they could not keep. And the haters who want to just condemn fandoms are at fault for blaming fans for liking something they dont.

Saelune:
No I have. I have seen both sides, and both sides like to forget the other side is made up of people too.

Fair enough.

But it still doesn't justify this response. There were obviously plenty of people who didn't get the sauce and were probably disappointed but didn't react like toddlers.

I have to deal with stuff like this on a daily basis (well not quite like thisat the moment as thankfully I am not dealing with customers face to face in my current job) so I will never take the side of the people reacting like idiots. I'll sympathise with the disappointed customers who reacted reasonably and I'm not making excuses for McD's either as they should have had an adequate supply in the first place but frankly anyone who reacts like this over something so stupid can fuck right off

Saelune:

The Decapitated Centaur:
You also are blatantly trying to abstract it to 'a company failed to keep their promises' as if it isn't just a bunch of manchildren throwing a tantrum over not getting sauce

They did. I dont see why we need to just blame this or that. The rioters are at fault for rioting. McDonalds is at fault for promising things they must have known they could not keep. And the haters who want to just condemn fandoms are at fault for blaming fans for liking something they dont.

Because when it comes to the riot, McDonald's did nothing at all that could reasonably provoke that response.

This is as stupid as saying both people are at fault if someone insults the other and the other pulls a gun on him

Man, I feel so bad for those poor McDonald's employees. They don't get paid enough for their day-to-day tasks, let alone endure the psychotic ravings of unhinged manchildren.

Redlin5:
This sucks, now I'm embarrassed to say I'm a fan of the show because people think of these guys first...

Welcome to my world, where I have to often specify that I'm not that type of MLP/Steven Universe/Star Wars/Star Trek/WH40k fan.

It fucking BAFFLES me to think that people think they're smart just 'cuz they understand Rick and Morty. That's a low bar to set, I guess dumb people will look for any old validation to think they're not dumb.

All you need to know to understand almost all of Rick and Morty is enough science-fiction themes and tropes. It's not intellectually based. And it's super ironic everyone's too dumb to realize how they've become specifically what Rick would hate in people when they herd-think like this.

Seriously though, Rick and Morty is fantastic, and I think it's only had one bad episode so far, and that was inter-dimensional television 2. Improv lightning didn't strike twice, lots of the little scenes were lame.

The Decapitated Centaur:

The fault for what? The riot? Because lolno, disproportionate reactions are the fault of those who reacted disproportionately

What blame should McDonald's have exactly?

ObsidianJones:

I looked up the riots for Nintendo over Classic NES unavailability. I didn't find any info.

Riots for Burning Man 2017 selling out in 35 minutes? None.

Probably should have written it a little bit different. Any riots or other extreme behavior of the customers is still their fault. Mob mentality doesn't free anyone from guilt.

However McDonalds is at fault for creating an event where it is to be expected that a large group of people would come to a single place and they are at fault for creating a situation where a large number of those people would be severely disappointed. Combine this disappointment with mob mentality and you get a powder keg that is just waiting to go off.
McDonalds failed to get a proper estimate on the amount of sauce they would need.

In regards to the Classic NES unavailability and the Burning Man: The Classic NES weren't sold on just a single day. Even if someone didn't get one on launch day, there was a good chance you could get one at a later date. Additionally there were probably a lot smaller groups in single shops, since it was probably sold in a lot more locations and again for a longer time.
The Burning Man happens on regular basis, so again the disappointment might not be that bad since everyone knows they get another chance.

In regards to the sauce, it's on the other hand questionable if McDonalds will anytime soon sell the sauce again.

ObsidianJones:

Again, I think this was a marketing ploy by McDonald's. To test the waters to see if anyone was really interested.

While would like to agree on that, that would mean that whoever planed the ploy is even more incompetent. Selling the sauce on a single day in a very limited amount would not give adequate statistical data to determine, if it would be profitable to sell any of the sauces of the event on a long term/permanent basis. A week or a month would be better, because then they could make some estimates on the number of people coming back and buying the sauce again. Instead of having just a number of people who wanted to know, if rick is right and the sauce really is delicious.

The entire event was badly and in haste planned to cash in on the temporary attention the show provided them.

I mean... it sucks for the locations that were supposed to get some and didn't, but as for the ones that didn't have enough? McDonald's announcement literally said "supplies would be extremely limited." Not their fault that a bunch of plebs can't read.
Also really don't see why people think watching Rick and Morty means you're smart. I don't think I'm any smarter than others just because I already knew wtf Zardoz was. It's almost as bad as those people who think watching Big Bang Theory makes them a geek...

MHR:
It fucking BAFFLES me to think that people think they're smart just 'cuz they understand Rick and Morty. That's a low bar to set, I guess dumb people will look for any old validation to think they're not dumb.

Tell me has anyone met people like this outside of the forced meme?

Yeah, Rick and Morty has a supremely shitty fanbase.

Shouldn't come as a surprise really. It's about a selfish, arsehole genius character who walks all over everyone because he can. It's going to attract a lot of garden variety arseholes who think they're geniuses and like the idea of walking all over everyone. (Of course they will all somehow miss the part about their idol being profoundly miserable and self-hating to the point of attempting suicide and only failing because he was too drunk to finish the job.)

Shame though. The show itself is good stuff.

It's funny actually. The show has this whole thing about thinking for yourself and not just going with the crowd and its fans respond with, "Pickle Rick wubba-lubba-dub-dub lololol szechuan sauce!"

At least a got a good laugh from the screencaps of people having meltdowns over not getting fast food sauce that a cartoon told them was tasty. Christ, go look up a recipe, make your own. Isn't that what Rick would do?

Yeah, Rick and Morty has a supremely shitty fanbase.

Way to paint an entire fanbase, the thing about 'shitty fanbases' is it's the shitty part that yells the loudest and gets the most attention. The focus in this instance being some nonsense about a sauce that was mentioned in the show. So a few hundred dicks decided shockingly to be dicks, what about the rest of the fan base... the guys who went to work that day lived their lives, went out with their families, went for a drive, had a day off and just relaxed or what about the fans that did turn up and then left when it looked to be going down hill? It's real easy to look at a select few and tar the majority because of the idiotic actions of the vocal minority.

Schadrach:
From what I understand, McDonald's kind of fucked up this promotion from a logistical standpoint. Most participating outlets got less than 2 dozen of the sauce in total and there were a bunch of locations that were advertised as participating but had no stock whatsoever.

Yeah people went nuts, and yeah let's laugh at the idiots, but this really was a logistical mess on McDonald's side.

Yeah this is true. I know people like to get their hate bones out for fandoms and yeah some fandoms do stupid stuff but Mcdonalds royally fucked this up. Horribly understocking things when they knew there would be a high demand and not only that only provided them in specific locations which means, people had to plan a whole day around this in a crowded place that within ten minutes probably ran out of supply which of course leads to this sort of situation. Honestly any high demand specific location item would be like this but ya know why take in the whole situation when someone can rant bout something they don't like *shrugs*

Laughing Man:

Yeah, Rick and Morty has a supremely shitty fanbase.

Way to paint an entire fanbase, the thing about 'shitty fanbases' is it's the shitty part that yells the loudest and gets the most attention. The focus in this instance being some nonsense about a sauce that was mentioned in the show. So a few hundred dicks decided shockingly to be dicks, what about the rest of the fan base... the guys who went to work that day lived their lives, went out with their families, went for a drive, had a day off and just relaxed or what about the fans that did turn up and then left when it looked to be going down hill? It's real easy to look at a select few and tar the majority because of the idiotic actions of the vocal minority.

I don't think they are that shitty, obnoxious for certain but I haven't heard anything even remotely close to Steven Universe fanbase levels of terribleness.

Zhukov:
(Of course they will all somehow miss the part about their idol being profoundly miserable and self-hating to the point of attempting suicide and only failing because he was too drunk to finish the job.)

Thta would only make the kekistani/channer slugs only identify with him MORE.

inu-kun:

Laughing Man:

Yeah, Rick and Morty has a supremely shitty fanbase.

Way to paint an entire fanbase, the thing about 'shitty fanbases' is it's the shitty part that yells the loudest and gets the most attention. The focus in this instance being some nonsense about a sauce that was mentioned in the show. So a few hundred dicks decided shockingly to be dicks, what about the rest of the fan base... the guys who went to work that day lived their lives, went out with their families, went for a drive, had a day off and just relaxed or what about the fans that did turn up and then left when it looked to be going down hill? It's real easy to look at a select few and tar the majority because of the idiotic actions of the vocal minority.

I don't think they are that shitty, obnoxious for certain but I haven't heard anything even remotely close to Steven Universe fanbase levels of terribleness.

Creators of the show publicly calling out "fans" for doxing and harassing the new female writers?

wizzy555:

MHR:
It fucking BAFFLES me to think that people think they're smart just 'cuz they understand Rick and Morty. That's a low bar to set, I guess dumb people will look for any old validation to think they're not dumb.

Tell me has anyone met people like this outside of the forced meme?

Yes.

They're exhausting.

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The insanity really makes you think when you realize we all knew the wider promotion was coming out later anyway.

Wintermute:
Any reasonable person would just go "oh well..." and go home to watch the first four seasons of Archer, which were way better.

FTFY.

Though I suppose "better" is relative.

Personally I'd recommend Venture Brothers before Archer.

kenu12345:
Yeah this is true. I know people like to get their hate bones out for fandoms and yeah some fandoms do stupid stuff but Mcdonalds royally fucked this up. Horribly understocking things when they knew there would be a high demand and not only that only provided them in specific locations which means, people had to plan a whole day around this in a crowded place that within ten minutes probably ran out of supply which of course leads to this sort of situation. Honestly any high demand specific location item would be like this but ya know why take in the whole situation when someone can rant bout something they don't like *shrugs*

I've no hate for the fanbase and yes McDonalds did indeed fuck up by not having adequate supplies but that doesn't excuse grown adults acting like toddlers over sachets of sauce.

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