So Neogaf is crashing and burning...

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The owner, Evilore, started banning people for discussing a sexual assault charge in Spain before a poster outted him for having posted revenge porn of a user's girlfriend and having another mod (himself arrested for child pornography) print out and ejaculate on said pictures.

The last thing I read was Evilore forcing himself on a sick girl in a shower before the site went down for "maintenance".

Yikes. So many "woke" cretins posing as progressive allies.

Why is it there's always something weird and scummy about these people?

I'm not speaking for "Progressives" as a whole, and I don't mean to hate on the movement.

But, there seriously seems to be a trend of people claiming to be progressive and open to women's movements, and then just turning out to be creepy scumbags who were only interested in it to get with women, and sometimes commit harassment and other things like that.

I know there's always going to be some bad eggs, but, it's seemingly unfortunately common and it really does make everyone else look bad.

Jesus Christ thats whats happening, I do hope this is solved before Toonami starts

Good riddance, and God have mercy on whatever poor bastards have to take them in.

The Lunatic:
Why is it there's always something weird and scummy about these people?

I'm not speaking for "Progressives" as a whole, and I don't mean to hate on the movement.

But, there seriously seems to be a trend of people claiming to be progressive and open to women's movements, and then just turning out to be creepy scumbags who were only interested in it to get with women, and sometimes commit harassment and other things like that.

I know there's always going to be some bad eggs, but, it's seemingly unfortunately common and it really does make everyone else look bad.

This is what happens when you turn your website into a giant echo-chamber hugbox where people can't have any real discussion. Say something even slightly controversial to them, and you get banned. Great way to harbor manipulative scumbags who hide behind the guise of "progressivism."

I didn't know we were in a race with them. They get the headstart due to their leader having a Weinstein-esque meltdown. Never been there personally.

The Lunatic:
Why is it there's always something weird and scummy about these people?

I'm not speaking for "Progressives" as a whole, and I don't mean to hate on the movement.

But, there seriously seems to be a trend of people claiming to be progressive and open to women's movements, and then just turning out to be creepy scumbags who were only interested in it to get with women, and sometimes commit harassment and other things like that.

I know there's always going to be some bad eggs, but, it's seemingly unfortunately common and it really does make everyone else look bad.

It's the same with conservative bible humpers who say the gay is gonna kill us all right before he's caught sucking a man sausage behind a 7-11. Oh thank heaven indeed.

OT: This is the same site that called people pedophiles and/or rapists for liking games like Senran Kagura. Kinda not suprised.

NeoGAF is pretty awful in general, so...that's fine.

I'm sure most people who use it are pleasant enough but some of the ideas that got floated around that forum were a bit wacky.

And it's clear the people in charge there weren't exactly upholding their ideals either.

Redlin5:
I didn't know we were in a race with them. They get the headstart due to their leader having a Weinstein-esque meltdown. Never been there personally.

This isn't about gloating over Neogaf's demise. I enjoyed the site even if I too found its moderation draconian.

I thought it worth discussing such a large gaming forum having, as you described, a "Weinstein-esque" scandal in miniature. The similarities are uncanny from the cover-ups to the posters claiming, "I thought everyone knew..."

The prognosis is pretty dire: there's no pond too small for someone to reduce to their personal fiefdom. It's abusive assholes all the way down.

poured one out in celebration

sadly it was just water

I wonder where the leftovers will end up, there's good folk there, but fucking crazies too

ain't enough zontars on this forum to counter balance a sudden influx of sae caliber people

ah, site's viability's low now anyways, lots of more promising places for all the bailers than this one

MC1980:
poured one out in celebration

sadly it was just water

I wonder where the leftovers will end up, there's good folk there, but fucking crazies too

ain't enough zontars on this forum to counter balance a sudden influx of sae caliber people

ah, site's viability's low now anyways, lots of more promising places for all the bailers than this one

That'd be one way to kill The Escapist. We already have enough people who're creepily into the left side of things. Though, I guess watching them fight might be interesting.

Though, I imagine it's unlikely they'd go for it.

Jumping from Neogaf to Escapist would be like fleeing to safety in a burning building afters yours just burnt down.

People from the GG-side of things seem to be hailing this as some sort of victory, and that they were right all along. I guess I can't really blame them, NeoGaf did actively work against them, and they were pretty spot on with their assessment of the place, and well, look at what happened.

What the fuck is NeoGAF?

The Lunatic:
Why is it there's always something weird and scummy about these people?

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/125/Misleading-Vividness

You're a critic of the outspoken/radicalized "left", so you'll be drawn to stories and examples of hypocrisy or idiocy coming from that sphere. Much as a critic of the outspoken/radicalized "right" would ask why so many white supremacists pop up among traditional right wing populations, as if it were anything other than a tiny virulent minority.

Outrageous fringe cases tend to dominate news cycles and capture an abnormally large amount of attention and mind share, leading to warped perceptions about how the majority of people think and behave. If you're given to radicalized/tribalized thinking yourself, you'll relish the opportunity to get some licks in on "the other team" and bask in some soothing moral superiority. I hear it's a hell of a drug.

BloatedGuppy:

The Lunatic:
Why is it there's always something weird and scummy about these people?

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/125/Misleading-Vividness

You're a critic of the outspoken/radicalized "left", so you'll be drawn to stories and examples of hypocrisy or idiocy coming from that sphere. Much as a critic of the outspoken/radicalized "right" would ask why so many white supremacists pop up among traditional right wing populations, as if it were anything other than a tiny virulent minority.

Outrageous fringe cases tend to dominate news cycles and capture an abnormally large amount of attention and mind share, leading to warped perceptions about how the majority of people think and behave. If you're given to radicalized/tribalized thinking yourself, you'll relish the opportunity to get some licks in on "the other team" and bask in some soothing moral superiority. I hear it's a hell of a drug.

I think you have to be careful with that line of logic, else it will lead you to being blind towards certain things like this though.

It works both ways, people who're fond of the far-left or far-right will often defend or be blind to faults of their own group, and yet acutely away to those of others.

I mean, I guess if you got somebody to do the maths, you could maybe work out if the trend of "Nice guys" and "White knights" were indeed a problem in far-left communities, and we could empirically say if there was or not.

However, as an outsider, I can only say that it seems this keeps happening, and there might be a reason for that.

The Lunatic:
I think you have to be careful with that line of logic, else it will lead you to being blind towards certain things like this though.

It works both ways, people who're fond of the far-left or far-right will often defend or be blind to faults of their own group, and yet acutely away to those of others.

I mean, I guess if you got somebody to do the maths, you could maybe work out if the trend of "Nice guys" and "White knights" were indeed a problem in far-left communities, and we could empirically say if there was or not.

However, as an outsider, I can only say that it seems this keeps happening, and there might be a reason for that.

Well, yes. You'll continue to find evidence of it happening, because you're a particular kind of bear and that's the honey that appeals to you. If you're motivated, you can find any kind of news you want online. It's how everyone from 911 was an inside job to Lizard People are among us to Scientologists to Flat Earthers are able to find reinforcement for their beliefs. We've even had it demonstrated to us that the news feeds people on different sides of a political divide get are wildly different. If it heartens you to believe "the left" is a hotbed of crazy pedarists, woman abusers and fedora tipping M'Ladies Men, you'll find plenty of bread crumbs to help lead you to strengthen that conclusion. That's generally how confirmation bias works.

You're going to find a percentage of absolutely loathsome individuals in every walk of life, in every stripe of the political, socioeconomic or religious spectrum. Some will be obvious on the face, others will do well at concealing themselves. Many will be oblivious to their own shortcomings, because just like confirmation bias is a universal trait, so too is attribution bias.

None of this really here nor there. Knowing that cognitive biases exist does not prevent us from having nor expressing them, and just writing these few paragraphs is more energy than some random website likely merits from either of us. You just asked a question, and...well...this is the actual answer. If you were "just asking questions" as a fun way of pointing a finger, you may carry on. If you actually wanted to know why it seems like the people you dislike are so thick with shifty motherfuckers, well...it's because you dislike them. That's why it seems that way.

Incredible, I know.

BloatedGuppy:

The Lunatic:
I think you have to be careful with that line of logic, else it will lead you to being blind towards certain things like this though.

It works both ways, people who're fond of the far-left or far-right will often defend or be blind to faults of their own group, and yet acutely away to those of others.

I mean, I guess if you got somebody to do the maths, you could maybe work out if the trend of "Nice guys" and "White knights" were indeed a problem in far-left communities, and we could empirically say if there was or not.

However, as an outsider, I can only say that it seems this keeps happening, and there might be a reason for that.

Well, yes. You'll continue to find evidence of it happening, because you're a particular kind of bear and that's the honey that appeals to you. If you're motivated, you can find any kind of news you want online. It's how everyone from 911 was an inside job to Lizard People are among us to Scientologists to Flat Earthers are able to find reinforcement for their beliefs. We've even had it demonstrated to us that the news feeds people on different sides of a political divide get are wildly different. If it heartens you to believe "the left" is a hotbed of crazy pedarists, woman abusers and fedora tipping M'Ladies Men, you'll find plenty of bread crumbs to help lead you to strengthen that conclusion. That's generally how confirmation bias works.

You're going to find a percentage of absolutely loathsome individuals in every walk of life, in every stripe of the political, socioeconomic or religious spectrum. Some will be obvious on the face, others will do well at concealing themselves. Many will be oblivious to their own shortcomings, because just like confirmation bias is a universal trait, so too is attribution bias.

None of this really here nor there. Knowing that cognitive biases exist does not prevent us from having nor expressing them, and just writing these few paragraphs is more energy than some random website likely merits from either of us. You just asked a question, and...well...this is the actual answer. If you were "just asking questions" as a fun way of pointing a finger, you may carry on. If you actually wanted to know why it seems like the people you dislike are so thick with shifty motherfuckers, well...it's because you dislike them. That's why it seems that way.

Incredible, I know.

Oh, I pay very little attention to any of this.

I'm not entirely sure what's even going on. Apparently the admin of Neogaf did something untoward a woman, or some such.

Then there was the moderator for the site who was a paedophile, and so on.

I'm not really the type for communities, so, I pay no real mind to most any of them. I tend to just find out this sorta thing from skimming places.

I guess given the conflict that is GG vs "THE LEFT", any gaming website is bound to have news on the going-ons of various other websites, or those in the media.

So, despite what you might think, I really don't look for this sorta stuff. It just seems that every time this topic comes up, the offending party is some guy who is vocally to the left of things. I suppose there's also the fact that nobody in the GG/Right side of things is particularly notable. For the most part they're just random plebs on the internet who make videos. GG/Left tend to be people within the industry, admins of large websites and so on. So, I guess it's like how news about people within "The Establishment" doing something bad is going to hit a lot more ears than "Random guy does something shit".

So, yeah, I guess you're probably right, there's a fair chance that there's plenty of shitty people either side. I guess it's just that the ones that oppose GG also tend to be more notable figures.

But, I do have to ask as to how many more times something like this has to come up before we accept that there's an issue here?

The Lunatic:
But, I do have to ask as to how many more times something like this has to come up before we accept that there's an issue here?

What specific issue? Paedophelia? Revenge Porn? Sexual Assault?

Those seem fairly well established as issues, although the latter seems to be fairly rampant in spite of the opprobrium it's often greeted with in public circles.

Good.

No, I'm serious. This could have easily gone the "but this is different because it's us" route or whatever. Instead, the mods walked. Push come to shove, they didn't flip. Good on them.

Isn't this the second or third time he's been accused of that? And he is still there, so I doubt NeoGAF has such a big issue with these things.

Good, the owners and mods are a bunch of dickbags, that whole thing about requiring paid email accounts to get a membership is elitist bullshit, I got banned for daring to speak out against some people who criticized Jim Sterling for no reason.

The Lunatic:
Why is it there's always something weird and scummy about these people?

I'm not speaking for "Progressives" as a whole, and I don't mean to hate on the movement.

But, there seriously seems to be a trend of people claiming to be progressive and open to women's movements, and then just turning out to be creepy scumbags who were only interested in it to get with women, and sometimes commit harassment and other things like that.

I know there's always going to be some bad eggs, but, it's seemingly unfortunately common and it really does make everyone else look bad.

Don't paint us all with the same brush, i'm progressive and I cannot stand NeoGaf, the amount of bitching about Jim Sterling most users on there do makes me scratch my head, I actually got banned for calling out some users on their bullshit.

The Lunatic:
Why is it there's always something weird and scummy about these people?

I'm not speaking for "Progressives" as a whole, and I don't mean to hate on the movement.

But, there seriously seems to be a trend of people claiming to be progressive and open to women's movements, and then just turning out to be creepy scumbags who were only interested in it to get with women, and sometimes commit harassment and other things like that.

I know there's always going to be some bad eggs, but, it's seemingly unfortunately common and it really does make everyone else look bad.

It's not in progressives but I noticed a pretty common thing with a good chunk of male feminists on Facebook. A lot of times they are virgins (or bad with social interaction at best) who do it mainly on the hopes of getting laid rather than any respect for women. And with such a "noble goal" they don't actually get the point of feminism (at least ye-olde feminism, not the insane ideology it turned into) of women being able to do anything they want without someone telling them what they can and can't do and thus they dictate on women how they should think and act both to get on the good side of modern day (political identity) feminists and to describe their (Joss Whedon inspired) waifus. I think the term malapo (male+kapo) describes it very well, even if a tad tasteless.

What it sounds like in Neogaf is what happens when the masquarade is broken, namely hilarity.

... Jim Sterling?

We all have to keep in mind that there are 2 accusations from 1 account, as far as I know.

And that's how you kill one of the most popular websites, according to internet statistic websites. I really wonder about whether they're true or not. Both would leave us with interesting consequences. Because NeoGAF is dead either way.

Hell, I just woke up and slept for merely 7 hours or even less. Giving me the creeps. When I close my eyes next time, I expect some bright lights and sudden rise in temperature.

I'm just worried about where the heck they'll all go now. That place was a left-wing nutjob containment zone just like /pol/ is for right-wing nutjobs.

PedoGAF was a decent enough containment forum. Hopefully it recovers, because lord knows no one wants THAT user base polluting other communities.

Looks like they've found a new home:

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What could possibly go wrong?

So the escapist will outlive Neogaf. Who'vd thunk it?

Karma for all their self-righteousness over the years. Can't say I'm not having a good chuckle over this.

Gibbagobba:
Looks like they've found a new home:

image

What could possibly go wrong?

Where is that? I don't recognize anything.

Im really starting to get behind this #MeToo business. Wonder if we can catch anyone who works at Kotaku, Polygon or Iggen.

RaikuFA:

The Lunatic:
Why is it there's always something weird and scummy about these people?

I'm not speaking for "Progressives" as a whole, and I don't mean to hate on the movement.

But, there seriously seems to be a trend of people claiming to be progressive and open to women's movements, and then just turning out to be creepy scumbags who were only interested in it to get with women, and sometimes commit harassment and other things like that.

I know there's always going to be some bad eggs, but, it's seemingly unfortunately common and it really does make everyone else look bad.

It's the same with conservative bible humpers who say the gay is gonna kill us all right before he's caught sucking a man sausage behind a 7-11. Oh thank heaven indeed.

Exactly, this is just another way in which the progressive left is mirroring the religious right.

wizzy555:
So the escapist will outlive Neogaf. Who'vd thunk it?

Not me that's for sure. Boy howdy this has been an interesting week on the internet.

Based on screenshots of threads before the site went down, seems a decent number of GAFfers thought the sexual assault allegations were part of a Russian backed GamerGate conspiracy.

No, really.

Chaosian:

Gibbagobba:
Looks like they've found a new home:

image

What could possibly go wrong?

Where is that? I don't recognize anything.

Thats Giantbomb.

wizzy555:
So the escapist will outlive Neogaf. Who'vd thunk it?

Same here

gigastar:
Im really starting to get behind this #MeToo business. Wonder if we can catch anyone who works at Kotaku, Polygon or Iggen.

And IGN now would probably take Humble with them.

BloatedGuppy:

The Lunatic:
But, I do have to ask as to how many more times something like this has to come up before we accept that there's an issue here?

What specific issue? Paedophelia? Revenge Porn? Sexual Assault?

Those seem fairly well established as issues, although the latter seems to be fairly rampant in spite of the opprobrium it's often greeted with in public circles.

Silly Guppy, clearly he was still implying that it's an issue specifically with left-wing people. Which for some reason he believes that other left-wing people just don't acknowledge.

The Lunatic:
Why is it there's always something weird and scummy about these people?

Assange put it best

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I've never been on neogaf. Was there anything special about it or was it just some message board where people talked about games and stuff?

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