At what point do you stop taking other people's arguments seriously?

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Anytime someone throws around terms like "cuck", "libtard", and "sjw" I can't bear to listen to them anymore. Or anytime someone resorts to personal attacks.

When someone claims to hold a certain view then immediately goes on to take positions that are completely at odds with those stated beliefs. Hard to take someone seriously when they try and make it look like they hold two contradictory beliefs that can't be reconciled, especially when those beliefs are what people are arguing over.

I've seen too many people claim they think everyone is equal, then turn around and openly hold white supremacist views, and claim it's all consistent. It wouldn't be so bad if such people hadn't taken over entire political movements though, what ever happened to progressives being JFK's "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" and into the "mememe" wing of politics?

I tend to tune out if anyone starts an argument with words similar to "I'm not racist but...."

votemarvel:
I tend to tune out if anyone starts an argument with words similar to "I'm not racist but...."

Is this only limited to racism? Because outside of making fun of that statement in joke form ("I'm not racist, but fuck *insert race here*"), I've only actually seen this with regards to sexism.

Whenever someone uses "Well, you know those X" or "Typical Xers"

Like how its snowing in 'Murica these days, and, Well, you know those Government Chem Trailers. Fake Snow that burns green!" or like my super racist Grandpa used to say "Typical Puerto Ricans, etc..."

Its an implied agreement argument, assuming we're both on the same side and that I'm arguing against my own beliefs. Like what Trump uses when he says "I've heard, you've heard..." or "I know it, you know it, ..." like "I've heard Muller rapes boys named John in the eye with a rusted scalpel. I've heard it, you've heard it, everyone has heard it."
It forces you to either say no, in which case you sound like a liar, or agree and agree.

I generally don't even bother with people who use "cuck", "SJW", or especially "libtard" unironically. And "libtard" is by far the worst. "Cuck" at least has something resembling comedic value, and "SJW" is at least an accusation that can be responded to because it's a kind of person that actually exists, but "libtard" is just a phonetically grating slur used exclusively by racist old people and cranky normies.

But beyond that, I have two rules that I consider prerequisites for me to take someone seriously.

The first is that they're showing a good faith effort to make as much of an effort as I am: if I'm citing sources then I expect that you will also cite sources, and furthermore that you will take the time to read and understand what I cite, and if I'm writing a detailed explanation then I expect a detailed response.

The second is that your rhetoric aligns with your intentions and actions. For instance, I have very little patience for lazy environmentalists, you know, the kinds who say "Well obviously overpopulation and suburban sprawl are huge issues, but I want to have a nice house where I can raise my two to three kids, overpopulation is really only a problem in poor countries, and plus we really need to keep the workforce going. Wait, what do you mean that's racist, I can't be racist, I have an NPR tote bag!" And to take a jab at the other side, if you're going to make a YouTube channel where you ramble about the inherent superiority of men, then you'd better not be some dumpy-ass weeb living as a NEET in Japan.

Zontar:

votemarvel:
I tend to tune out if anyone starts an argument with words similar to "I'm not racist but...."

Is this only limited to racism? Because outside of making fun of that statement in joke form ("I'm not racist, but fuck *insert race here*"), I've only actually seen this with regards to sexism.

It can be "I'm not homophobic but..." or "I'm not sexist but..."

It always seems to be used by people who actually are those things but try to pretend they aren't.

The moment they present an argument at all.

When they insist on being wrong, I guess.

Anytime a personal experience is then extrapolated to a world view I tune out, be it "oh it never happened to me so it's not that bad" or "oh it happened to me so therefore it happens everywhere". Very sun revolves around me kinda stupidity.

Arguing in real life is fine most of the time, people tend to be more polite. On the internet? I'll pass, thanks.

Depends on how much time and sanity there's left. Am not convinced this is the best environment for either

I find this thread to be interesting, because it obviously comes from a bias slant out of the gate.

All examples seem to point to the 'conservative, not racist but racist, right leaning, etc.' other person who is 'just wrong', but no examples of the other side of the ever-encroaching line.

libtard has cuckservative; sjw has nazi/altright/-ist; apparently snowflake has now been equally, although possibly erroneously appropriated by the left now as well.

No examples of supposedly race/gender/sex positive minded people turning around and slurring the same people they aim to side with because those people don't agree with them? How many people have their [insert group] card revoked and are re-identified as garbage by these people?

My two-cents to the idea of tuning someone out, is when I've taken their point from 5 different angles, quashed it from each perspective, and they still refuse to budge in the slightest, or simply deflect/goalpost it.

Jeez man, all I said is what I didn't like about Ellie. I was willing to debate and receive counter arguements to prove me wrong my stance on Ellie being an SJW charcater.

Prove me wrong now.

The whole "my opinion over everyone else" come to my mind". It's not a discussion if you are not willing to open up to anyone else ideas or opinions!

An example of this was a thread made on here weeks ago when the guy made a bold and stupid comment about not "caring for the fans". Like right, what make your singular opinion far superior to the massive collective of the en masses opinions that has been made over the years??? In saying so however I never took that guy seriously over the year so there's that.

At refusal to acknowledge simple rules of logic, playing persecution, personal attacks.

Real life example:
"I felt a hand touch my head. It was a ghost."
"How do you know it was a ghost?"
"You tell me what it was, then."
"You're making the claim, not me. I'm asking you how you knew it was a ghost and not something else."
"It was a ghost. You can't prove it wasn't. Stop mocking my beliefs."

When it's clear that they're not listening to you and they just want to listen to their own voice or preach.
If they resort to name calling, threats or violence.
When they criticize you for saying/doing things that they themselves say/do.
If they don't look things up and just listen to what others tell them.
If I can expose that they don't know what they're talking about (for example, they'll start talking about something, then I'll say that I know that as well and start making stuff up in a way that would fool someone who has no clue, if they start agreeing with me, they're full of shit).

Kenbo Slice:
Anytime someone throws around terms like "cuck", "libtard", and "sjw" I can't bear to listen to them anymore. Or anytime someone resorts to personal attacks.

Pretty much this, anyone that uses lame internet slang is basically ignored. More than half the time, they don't even know what the terms mean.

Errant Signal's video on Wolfenstein 2 was a great analysis without using terms like sjw or commie.

Samtemdo8:
Jeez man, all I said is what I didn't like about Ellie. I was willing to debate and receive counter arguements to prove me wrong my stance on Ellie being an SJW charcater.

Prove me wrong now.

Your stance was stupid, that's why. I think you were trying to say she's a sjw character because she was praised by others for being such, which makes no sense. Then, you said she feels like such a character, which is proof how?

Phoenixmgs:

Kenbo Slice:
Anytime someone throws around terms like "cuck", "libtard", and "sjw" I can't bear to listen to them anymore. Or anytime someone resorts to personal attacks.

Pretty much this, anyone that uses lame internet slang is basically ignored. More than half the time, they don't even know what the terms mean.

Errant Signal's video on Wolfenstein 2 was a great analysis without using terms like sjw or commie.

Samtemdo8:
Jeez man, all I said is what I didn't like about Ellie. I was willing to debate and receive counter arguements to prove me wrong my stance on Ellie being an SJW charcater.

Prove me wrong now.

Your stance was stupid, that's why. I think you were trying to say she's a sjw character because she was praised by others for being such, which makes no sense. Then, you said she feels like such a character, which is proof how?

The thing is I have much more to say about it, but I have to do it via PMing because I don't want to make a thread to get locked and get me in trouble because of what I am about to say.

Samtemdo8:

Phoenixmgs:

Kenbo Slice:
Anytime someone throws around terms like "cuck", "libtard", and "sjw" I can't bear to listen to them anymore. Or anytime someone resorts to personal attacks.

Pretty much this, anyone that uses lame internet slang is basically ignored. More than half the time, they don't even know what the terms mean.

Errant Signal's video on Wolfenstein 2 was a great analysis without using terms like sjw or commie.

Samtemdo8:
Jeez man, all I said is what I didn't like about Ellie. I was willing to debate and receive counter arguements to prove me wrong my stance on Ellie being an SJW charcater.

Prove me wrong now.

Your stance was stupid, that's why. I think you were trying to say she's a sjw character because she was praised by others for being such, which makes no sense. Then, you said she feels like such a character, which is proof how?

The thing is I have much more to say about it, but I have to do it via PMing because I don't want to make a thread to get locked and get me in trouble because of what I am about to say.

Just say it in here.

Kenbo Slice:

Samtemdo8:

Phoenixmgs:

Pretty much this, anyone that uses lame internet slang is basically ignored. More than half the time, they don't even know what the terms mean.

Errant Signal's video on Wolfenstein 2 was a great analysis without using terms like sjw or commie.

Your stance was stupid, that's why. I think you were trying to say she's a sjw character because she was praised by others for being such, which makes no sense. Then, you said she feels like such a character, which is proof how?

The thing is I have much more to say about it, but I have to do it via PMing because I don't want to make a thread to get locked and get me in trouble because of what I am about to say.

Just say it in here.

Ok here it goes as to why I think she's a "made for SJW" character:

1. Alongside her being praised alot by the gaming media, Ellie is a bit of a Mary Sue, she's the only one who was bitten and yet has not got infected into Zombie, and that the whole game being all about her in the end just adds to it. Now I don't know how the second game is gonna follow up on her fate with her being immune but I just hope its nothing too stupid as to why she's immune.

2. Now even I don't agree with what I am about to say here and I know I should not care but, there is also the fact that she's confirmed to be Lesbian, with a Black Female no less, now I really would not care and I still don't care that she is, but this game was made around the time when the whole Anita Sarkessian/GamerGate thing was all the rage and during all that I have been made acutely aware of this whole Tumblrina Femenism SJWs and how crazy they are, I just feel Ellie being gay is just made to score Tumblr points, it just did not felt genuine.

I was gonna mention how I thought the newest trailer for the game showed Grown Up Ellie going to get raped, but I re-watched it just now and it wasn't Ellie anywhere, but seriously the woman getting her arms smashed just gave me the thought that she was gonna get raped.

There you go, now explain to me why am I wrong on this and I am listening. Reason 2 was the reason I was afraid of posting my other reasons because I don't want people to get the impression that I am homophobe, I AM NOT, I don't care if anyone is gay or not, what I cared about was Naughty Dog not doing it genuinely with Ellie and only done it to pander.

Zontar:

votemarvel:
I tend to tune out if anyone starts an argument with words similar to "I'm not racist but...."

Is this only limited to racism? Because outside of making fun of that statement in joke form ("I'm not racist, but fuck *insert race here*"), I've only actually seen this with regards to sexism.

As Jon Snow would say:

Phoenixmgs:
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Samtemdo8:
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Kenbo Slice:
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Guys, this has nothing to do with the thread. Take your outside beefs outside.

tippy2k2:

Phoenixmgs:
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Samtemdo8:
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Kenbo Slice:
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Guys, this has nothing to do with the thread. Take your outside beefs outside.

The thing is the OP was clearly calling me out with this thread as a response of the posts I made in the 2018 games thread.

I felt like I was being pointed fingers at and it bothered me.

I apoligize for any wrong doing.

Samtemdo8:

tippy2k2:

Phoenixmgs:
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Samtemdo8:
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Kenbo Slice:
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Guys, this has nothing to do with the thread. Take your outside beefs outside.

The thing is the OP was clearly calling me out with this thread as a response of the posts I made in the 2018 games thread.

I felt like I was being pointed fingers at and it bothered me.

I apoligize for any wrong doing.

Actually I wasn't, I was making a thread in general. But hey whatever feeds your ego.

Kenbo Slice:

Samtemdo8:

tippy2k2:

Guys, this has nothing to do with the thread. Take your outside beefs outside.

The thing is the OP was clearly calling me out with this thread as a response of the posts I made in the 2018 games thread.

I felt like I was being pointed fingers at and it bothered me.

I apoligize for any wrong doing.

Actually I wasn't, I was making a thread in general. But hey whatever feeds your ego.

Than I apologize regardless.

If someone uses cuck, libtard, sjw, fake news or tags #MAGA then I refuse to indulge them any longer because they're either a troll, a bot spamming nonsensical gibberish, or just a straight-up dickhead.

Also I've found that the time I waste on political arguments is severely reduced if I just flat-out ignore anyone who's profile picture is just a picture of either the US flag or the St. George's Cross. It's pretty reliable that me and them will never see eye to eye on the subject being argued about so it's not even worth bothering.

Samtemdo8:
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1. That's really just a common trope for the zombie genre. Her being a Mary Sue (which she isn't) has nothing to do with being "SJW". I'm starting to think you don't actually know what an SJW is.

2. Who cares if she's a lesbian? Also you should wait until the game comes out to see if it's done well. It's hard to judge from the trailers.

Kenbo Slice:

Samtemdo8:
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1. That's really just a common trope for the zombie genre. Her being a Mary Sue (which she isn't) has nothing to do with being "SJW". I'm starting to think you don't actually know what an SJW is.

2. Who cares if she's a lesbian? Also you should wait until the game comes out to see if it's done well. It's hard to judge from the trailers.

OK, enough.

I swear if either of you guys bring this up in here again, I'm breaking out the hammer. Take it outside.

tippy2k2:

Kenbo Slice:

Samtemdo8:
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1. That's really just a common trope for the zombie genre. Her being a Mary Sue (which she isn't) has nothing to do with being "SJW". I'm starting to think you don't actually know what an SJW is.

2. Who cares if she's a lesbian? Also you should wait until the game comes out to see if it's done well. It's hard to judge from the trailers.

OK, enough.

I swear if either of you guys bring this up in here again, I'm breaking out the hammer. Take it outside.

Man I wasn't even being hostile in my response. I was just countering his points.

Typically the moment any conspiracy theory comes in to play.

For example I don't believe Trump is an Illuminati agent, he's just a complete whacko suffering from dementia.

Flat Earth, moon landing deniers, anti-vax, Area 51, Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams - why do so many of these originate in the United States?

votemarvel:
I tend to tune out if anyone starts an argument with words similar to "I'm not racist but...."

I've always wondered about this one. I take it, atleast before reading the rest, as simple acknowledgement that race is a sensitive subject.

So I'll just test it. Show of hand is the following a statement racist or not?

I'm not a racist but I do think that the glorification of it's criminal elements contributes to the problems and barriers that the black community faces.

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I don't really take anyone on the Internet seriously. Kinda difficult to do when I can make them go away by clicking on the little x. And in real life, people generally avoid conflict with me unless they know me and therefore know that I'm a chill guy.

Anytime someone utters anything that resembles a positive thought about Donald Trump. (In all seriousness there has been like one or two times I thought he was right but still.)

And about anything else I can see both sides generally. Both Conservatives and Liberals have certain issues that logic and reality ceases to be relevant to their POV.

Whenever someone says "I disagree with what you say, but will defend forever your right to say it." Just step down off your cross, you pompous ass. We're the chattering class of the internet, not Maoist rebels. You're never going to physically defend my rights, so I consider it empty self praise.

When they post citations they clearly haven't read and make false claims about it and refuse to own up to it.

Also when they constantly try to change the subject by going on the offensive and attacking someone utterly unrelated to the subject matter.

And I'll add my hat to the pile of people who don't take those who say "cuck" seriously. Ironically, unironically, I don't fucking care, unless you're talking about a literal cuckhold fetish or situation, piss off.

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