Larry Nassar sentenced to 100 years minimum for sex abuse scandal

Larry Nassar was sentenced Monday to 40 to 125 years in prison, ending a remarkable three weeks of court hearings that dramatically personalized the pain and suffering the former doctor caused for years.

Nassar apologized to the court as part of his sentencing hearing in Eaton County, Michigan, saying that victim statements had "impacted me to my innermost core."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/05/us/larry-nassar-sentence-eaton/index.html

1. Who is Larry Nassar?

2a. Judging from your username, Are you Larry Nassar and speaking to us in Prison?

2b. If you are not you picked quite a topic to make your first thread on.

That's really long. The world will have changed a lot by the time he gets out.

The American justice system is retarded.

Guilty pleas usually take the death penalty off the table, and we've got a bad habit of downplaying sexual assault.

Even when it's a guilty plea for Child Pornography and molesting upwards of 250 children left in his care.

Fuck that guy. He's lucky we live in a nation of laws.

altnameJag:
Guilty pleas usually take the death penalty off the table, and we've got a bad habit of downplaying sexual assault.

Even when it's a guilty plea for Child Pornography and molesting upwards of 250 children left in his care.

Fuck that guy. He's lucky we live in a nation of laws.

The problem is when the judge said it was her privilege to sentence him to die in jail she may have violated the impartiality rules of being a judge, going from justice to vengeance. And any good appeals lawyer will bring that up and have his sentence cut in half or a new trial ordered, arguing the judge was against him, rather than pro-justice.

altnameJag:

Fuck that guy. He's lucky we live in a nation of laws.

Lucky? I would have rather received the bullet than 'live' and ultimately die in prison. In a life without hope you just exist, like a zombie. It's a punishment I personally consider way worse than death. And much more expensive for the taxpayer as well. Life sentences is just a cruel form of torture and pointless on all fronts.

Normally, I find sentences like that to be hilariously stupid, but in that guy's case?

Fuck him.

His 'apology' wasn't an apology at all. He's just mad that he got caught and the whole line about 'no one will understand what my life will be like now and the pain I'm going through' is utter horse shit. After having 156 or so victims and charges, he's lucky that he only got 100 years.

stroopwafel:

altnameJag:

Fuck that guy. He's lucky we live in a nation of laws.

Lucky? I would have rather received the bullet than 'live' and ultimately die in prison. In a life without hope you just exist, like a zombie. It's a punishment I personally consider way worse than death. And much more expensive for the taxpayer as well. Life sentences is just a cruel form of torture and pointless on all fronts.

Doesn't it cost a lot to execute someone due to legal obstructions and checks. Also, doesn't American society think that people live like kings in jail

trunkage:

stroopwafel:

altnameJag:

Fuck that guy. He's lucky we live in a nation of laws.

Lucky? I would have rather received the bullet than 'live' and ultimately die in prison. In a life without hope you just exist, like a zombie. It's a punishment I personally consider way worse than death. And much more expensive for the taxpayer as well. Life sentences is just a cruel form of torture and pointless on all fronts.

Doesn't it cost a lot to execute someone due to legal obstructions and checks. Also, doesn't American society think that people live like kings in jail

Yeah, the death penalty rally means being locked up for years or decades, with the promise of execution maybe at some point.

I sentence you to 10 consecutive life sentences!

Good. Kiddie fiddlers are dangerous and clearly he'll be a predator once more the second he is released.

Economic determinism delivers the number and extent of robberies or burglaries, but crimes of this nature are uniquely predicated solely upon the experiences and problems of the mind of the offender. The real question is after 200 offences, what exactly were all those parents or the police doing to not apprehend and prosecute this person sooner?

After over 200 cases, it seems as if a systemic failure of safeguards at that point. As in all the people that should have cotton on didn't.

The sheer level of abuse and destruction he committed deserves little belief in the capacity for rehabilitation.

Addendum_Forthcoming:
Good. Kiddie fiddlers are dangerous and clearly he'll be a predator once more the second he is released.

Economic determinism delivers the number and extent of robberies or burglaries, but crimes of this nature are uniquely predicated solely upon the experiences and problems of the mind of the offender. The real question is after 200 offences, what exactly were all those parents or the police doing to not apprehend and prosecute this person sooner?

After over 200 cases, it seems as if a systemic failure of safeguards at that point. As in all the people that should have cotton on didn't.

The sheer level of abuse and destruction he committed deserves little belief in the capacity for rehabilitation.

The obvious answer to that is the parents wanted their kid/s in the Olympics so that they could brag "My kid/s have been in the Olympics" and if they happened to win a gold medal then they would had that to brag about as well even though they did nothing of worth themselves. The whole case stinks of "stay stum if the results are worthwhile" even if its at the expensive of their kids.

I severely doubt that the kids did not report or confide in their parents about what he has been doing until now especially if it has been that harrowing a time for them and left a permanent scar on their lives. I mean I suspect the idiot of the father who tried to get the judge to give him time with the guy in a locked room as a part of his sentence probably knew fully well what was happening after he sent three of his daughters to the same place. Am I meant to believe that they didn't beg their dad at any point to not send them back again or to not send their sisters at all even if they didn't mention this was going on?

Nile McMorrow:

The obvious answer to that is the parents wanted their kid/s in the Olympics so that they could brag "My kid/s have been in the Olympics" and if they happened to win a gold medal then they would had that to brag about as well even though they did nothing of worth themselves. The whole case stinks of "stay stum if the results are worthwhile" even if its at the expensive of their kids.

I severely doubt that the kids did not report or confide in their parents about what he has been doing until now especially if it has been that harrowing a time for them and left a permanent scar on their lives. I mean I suspect the idiot of the father who tried to get the judge to give him time with the guy in a locked room as a part of his sentence probably knew fully well what was happening after he sent three of his daughters to the same place. Am I meant to believe that they didn't beg their dad at any point to not send them back again or to not send their sisters at all even if they didn't mention this was going on?

I'd say that is more than fucking accurate, and honestly after my experiences dealing with "parents" it wouldn't surprise me. Unfortunately, I imagine launching an additional investigation into the possibility of kids telling their parents this and simply being ignored is probably out of the question?

I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts in a fairer world a lot of these "parents" would be joining this shitstain in a prison somewhere with a more comprehensive investigation.

altnameJag:
Fuck that guy. He's lucky we live in a nation of laws.

stroopwafel:
Lucky? I would have rather received the bullet than 'live' and ultimately die in prison.

This guy isnt going to die of old age. The inmates will take care of him like theyve done for many pedos before him.

Silentpony:

altnameJag:
Guilty pleas usually take the death penalty off the table, and we've got a bad habit of downplaying sexual assault.

Even when it's a guilty plea for Child Pornography and molesting upwards of 250 children left in his care.

Fuck that guy. He's lucky we live in a nation of laws.

The problem is when the judge said it was her privilege to sentence him to die in jail she may have violated the impartiality rules of being a judge, going from justice to vengeance. And any good appeals lawyer will bring that up and have his sentence cut in half or a new trial ordered, arguing the judge was against him, rather than pro-justice.

But she's a Judge, delivering the people's judgement on a criminal that is both confirmed to have committed the crime and will *puts on sunglasses* do the time, I think she's allowed a little bit of scorn once the sentencing by jury is done and the punishment decided on.

The guy is human scum and does not deserve to draw a single breath of air in freedom ever again.

Now I want them to expand the investigation and put everyone who ever enabled this guy in cages too.

The Rogue Wolf:
.

Now I want them to expand the investigation and put everyone who ever enabled this guy in cages too.

If you start going after this guy's friends who enabled him to continue his behavior? Than would you expand it to arrest the enabler's families and friends aswell?

Do we have also have to arrest Larry Nassar's family members down to distant cousins twice removed?

When does it end?

He kept up his sexual abuse for years - doesn't matter how many victims he had. Adding up sentence time is dumb. The crime should be "continuous abuse" and if that's irredeemable then off you go to jail until hell freezes over. Begs for a damn good look at all the conditions that enabled this shit.

Samtemdo8:

The Rogue Wolf:
.

Now I want them to expand the investigation and put everyone who ever enabled this guy in cages too.

If you start going after this guy's friends who enabled him to continue his behavior? Than would you expand it to arrest the enabler's families and friends aswell?

Do we have also have to arrest Larry Nassar's family members down to distant cousins twice removed?

When does it end?

It ends with the people who directly enabled him? An accomplice to a crime is still a criminal under law.

This isn't some crazy idea here. People who allowed this monster to assault children for whatever reasons deserve to sit alongside him in jail. They won't end up getting the same sentence as him because they didn't commit the actual act, but they deserve long lockups for giving this predator the ability to continue his attacks.

Also between this post of yours and your original one in the thread, I almost get the feeling like you have a problem with how this shitstain is receiving his punishment.

Addendum_Forthcoming:
After over 200 cases, it seems as if a systemic failure of safeguards at that point. As in all the people that should have cotton on didn't.

Business as usual, then. 200 cases is quite a lot, but it's hardly unusual for abusers to get away with loads of victims for years without the right people knowing, or more often, caring.

Kreett:

Silentpony:

altnameJag:
Guilty pleas usually take the death penalty off the table, and we've got a bad habit of downplaying sexual assault.

Even when it's a guilty plea for Child Pornography and molesting upwards of 250 children left in his care.

Fuck that guy. He's lucky we live in a nation of laws.

The problem is when the judge said it was her privilege to sentence him to die in jail she may have violated the impartiality rules of being a judge, going from justice to vengeance. And any good appeals lawyer will bring that up and have his sentence cut in half or a new trial ordered, arguing the judge was against him, rather than pro-justice.

But she's a Judge, delivering the people's judgement on a criminal that is both confirmed to have committed the crime and will *puts on sunglasses* do the time, I think she's allowed a little bit of scorn once the sentencing by jury is done and the punishment decided on.

You'd think, but actually not. Judges are on a very tight leash in what they can say and imply, and during the sentencing she said she wished she could do something cruel and unusual to him, but since she couldn't she "signed his death warrant"
And that is so not allowed. Because by her own admission she wants to torture him, and any appeals lawyer will take that as state-of-mind and intent and have her entire sentence thrown out.

I do love that video from last week of one of the victims' father lunging for the creep. Nassar will live the rest of his life in fear, as he should

Avnger:

Samtemdo8:

The Rogue Wolf:
.

Now I want them to expand the investigation and put everyone who ever enabled this guy in cages too.

If you start going after this guy's friends who enabled him to continue his behavior? Than would you expand it to arrest the enabler's families and friends aswell?

Do we have also have to arrest Larry Nassar's family members down to distant cousins twice removed?

When does it end?

It ends with the people who directly enabled him? An accomplice to a crime is still a criminal under law.

This isn't some crazy idea here. People who allowed this monster to assault children for whatever reasons deserve to sit alongside him in jail. They won't end up getting the same sentence as him because they didn't commit the actual act, but they deserve long lockups for giving this predator the ability to continue his attacks.

Also between this post of yours and your original one in the thread, I almost get the feeling like you have a problem with how this shitstain is receiving his punishment.

My first post was genuine, I litirally never heard of this guy until this thread. This Larry guy can stay in jail for all he can.

I just have a problem when people suggests to arrests potential accomplicies because where do you stop at that point, is Larry Nasser's second cousin twice removed guilty of enableing him, is the child of Larry Nasser's friend who enabled him guilty of this?

Lets just say I don't like "Guilty by association" when it goes too far.

Not playing the devil's advocate here; I'm not one of those people who bucks opinions held by others just for its own sake and even less to pass judgement of others, but I find it hard to believe anyone would think the parents were complicit in Nassar's wrong doings. I highly doubt that the parents of nigh unto 200 girls (that's 400 supposedly loving, providing adults) would willing send their children to slaughter for a chance at Olympic fame. My thoughts are that these children were just that: children. Gymnastics is likely something they love and strive to do their best at, and then they had this adult in a position of authority, someone whose job it was to know and assess their bodies and wellbeing, taking advantage of that position. People forget, molestation isn't always an overt act of brutish violence done by a stranger; it's often done by someone children know and trust, and even if a child doesn't feel comfortable with acts of sexual abuse, they have to reconcile in their own, young minds how someone they trust and supposedly cares about them can do the things they do to them. The fact is Nasser had unique access to these young women which he exploited; if any of them came forward to their parents (and I'm sure there were some,) it wasn't likely so blunt as "he's molesting me" and their parents saying "too bad, so sad; deal with it for the glory." They likely made excuses not to want to go, maybe asked not to be in gymnastics anymore, and any parents thinking they were running away from the struggle of strict practice regimens encouraging their daughters to stick with it because no parent wants their child to give up something they can do well at simply because it's hard to do.

And I'm speaking from second-hand experience, if I can qualify my thoughts. My girlfriend, now in her early 40s, admitted something to me that happened to her when she was a young teenager; it's something that she never directly addressed with the offending person (now dead) or anyone who might have been in a position to do anything about it had they known it had happened. She told me how she really didn't understand, at that age, how this person could mean to hurt her, and in sick way, forgave him though she has learned in decades since there was nothing to forgive, that she was a victim. We've talked about this Nasser nonsense, and she feels for these young women, that coupled with the pressures of training and practice to be in the Olympics, Nasser was able to operate and do these sick things likely unquestioned, abusing the trust and high regard within these girls held him. Nasser is a monster, and before we spin off on speculations that the rabbit hole goes deeper or suggesting other involved, I'm comfortable knowing this human garbage is getting his just desserts. Besides, if the problem IS bigger than just him the song bird would have been singing a long time ago, if only to catch a break from the prosecution. I know I wouldn't go down alone as a child molester if there was anyone else of note to share the blame; another poster is correct; if you're looking for the complete dregs of human decency, prison is the best place to start, and despite the myriad offences that land so many in there, child molestation is the LAST one anyone would want to find themselves in there for; neither side of the bars let's that shit fly. Nasser should have REQUESTED the death penalty.

oki, other than agreeing less eloquently with McMorrow and Addendum's posts, I seriously gotta ask; so...ummm, what's the dealio with the OP's name and post here? Is this an official Nassar sentence news update bot account or what?

Samtemdo8:

Avnger:

Samtemdo8:

If you start going after this guy's friends who enabled him to continue his behavior? Than would you expand it to arrest the enabler's families and friends aswell?

Do we have also have to arrest Larry Nassar's family members down to distant cousins twice removed?

When does it end?

It ends with the people who directly enabled him? An accomplice to a crime is still a criminal under law.

This isn't some crazy idea here. People who allowed this monster to assault children for whatever reasons deserve to sit alongside him in jail. They won't end up getting the same sentence as him because they didn't commit the actual act, but they deserve long lockups for giving this predator the ability to continue his attacks.

Also between this post of yours and your original one in the thread, I almost get the feeling like you have a problem with how this shitstain is receiving his punishment.

My first post was genuine, I litirally never heard of this guy until this thread. This Larry guy can stay in jail for all he can.

I just have a problem when people suggests to arrests potential accomplicies because where do you stop at that point, is Larry Nasser's second cousin twice removed guilty of enableing him, is the child of Larry Nasser's friend who enabled him guilty of this?

Lets just say I don't like "Guilty by association" when it goes too far.

Then you don't understand what is meant by being an accomplice or an accessory to a crime. Your ridiculous scenarios almost make me feel like I should pull out that Billy Madison contest quote.

This isn't "guilt by association" in any, way, shape, or form. This is guilt by action (or inaction) in association with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term)#United_States

Avnger:

Samtemdo8:

Avnger:

It ends with the people who directly enabled him? An accomplice to a crime is still a criminal under law.

This isn't some crazy idea here. People who allowed this monster to assault children for whatever reasons deserve to sit alongside him in jail. They won't end up getting the same sentence as him because they didn't commit the actual act, but they deserve long lockups for giving this predator the ability to continue his attacks.

Also between this post of yours and your original one in the thread, I almost get the feeling like you have a problem with how this shitstain is receiving his punishment.

My first post was genuine, I litirally never heard of this guy until this thread. This Larry guy can stay in jail for all he can.

I just have a problem when people suggests to arrests potential accomplicies because where do you stop at that point, is Larry Nasser's second cousin twice removed guilty of enableing him, is the child of Larry Nasser's friend who enabled him guilty of this?

Lets just say I don't like "Guilty by association" when it goes too far.

Then you don't understand what is meant by being an accomplice or an accessory to a crime. Your ridiculous scenarios almost make me feel like I should pull out that Billy Madison contest quote.

This isn't "guilt by association" in any, way, shape, or form. This is guilt by action (or inaction) in association with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term)#United_States

Ok than I get your point, but now the question is were there human accessories involved or did Larry Nassar acted alone?

Also what was the quote from Billy Madison you were thinking of?

He'll get shanked within the first 2 years so the length of the sentence doesn't matter.

Vanilla ISIS:
He'll get shanked within the first 2 years so the length of the sentence doesn't matter.

Exactly. People like Larry are fodder for serial killers who will never be released from federal prisons to either try and get the guards to send them off early or build a little more reputation among the inmates.

Silentpony:

Kreett:

Silentpony:

The problem is when the judge said it was her privilege to sentence him to die in jail she may have violated the impartiality rules of being a judge, going from justice to vengeance. And any good appeals lawyer will bring that up and have his sentence cut in half or a new trial ordered, arguing the judge was against him, rather than pro-justice.

But she's a Judge, delivering the people's judgement on a criminal that is both confirmed to have committed the crime and will *puts on sunglasses* do the time, I think she's allowed a little bit of scorn once the sentencing by jury is done and the punishment decided on.

You'd think, but actually not. Judges are on a very tight leash in what they can say and imply, and during the sentencing she said she wished she could do something cruel and unusual to him, but since she couldn't she "signed his death warrant"
And that is so not allowed. Because by her own admission she wants to torture him, and any appeals lawyer will take that as state-of-mind and intent and have her entire sentence thrown out.

Maybe, but not likely. Judges have to be impartial during the actual trial, but are usually not impartial during sentencing. Indeed, considering there is a range of possible sentences for any given crime, a judge is to a degree supposed to make value judgements about the convict during sentencing to determine on which side of that range their punishment will fall.

 

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