If you enjoy Superheroes without Superpowers, than whats the point?

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Captain Marvelous:

PapaGreg096:
Batman has the freakin hell bat armor and not that he has tons of military grade weaponary and vehicles. Its not like he's Daredevil or Wildcat where he just fights with the Grit of his teeth

But that's exactly what he's doing most of the time. Yeah, he's got the Hell-Bat armor and probably more than one tank, but how often does he actually use them? More often than not, Batman fights with his fists and he gets beaten to a bloody pulp. He isn't my favorite powerless hero, but I wont write him off completely for occasional use of powerful tools.

Batman has his gadgets and has either Fox or Alfred giving him intel on the the situation. Also while the batsuit isn't as strong as say the Ironman Armor, at least in modern incarnations it does give him a boost in strength and durability. As for getting beaten into a pulp maybe when it comes to supervillians like Bane or Joker he does but most of the time he mostly gets scratches and shallow cuts.

Squilookle:

Agent_Z:

Samtemdo8:

Same reason I enjoy World of Warcraft, and Danny Phantom, and Tolkien.

Because I like them.

Well, there's your answer to why people like superheroes who don't have super powers.

I think that's an /thread.

Completely and utterly.

An epic conclusion to a thread that basically opened with this

OP I know you don't like Batman but bringing it up over and over isn't going to change how people feel about the character.

Superheroes aren't always about who has the craziest power or who can punch the hardest. Batman and other powerless heroes speak to the human spirit and the will to survive. Despite all the danger Batman and other heroes without powers face they still get up every day/night, suit up, and throw themselves into danger because it's the right thing to do. They put strangers and the common good above their own safety, and Batman in particular is the prime example of this.

Bruce Wayne devoted his life to a crusade of doing everything he can to stop others from having to experience the same pain he did. Admittedly these are not the actions of a rational adult, but that goes deeper into the psychology of the character than this discussion calls for. The fact of the matter is people like myself find Batman inspiring and admirable because of the absolute dedication he has to his cause. He is the man that no matter what happens, no matter how bruised and broken his body is, no matter how dark things become, he throws on the cowl and gets work done. I don't think it's hard to imagine why that is so appealing to people.

When I'm at the gym and I'm squatting with 415 pounds on my back I don't think about Superman who could do it without breaking a sweat. I think of Bruce busting his ass day in and day out, perfecting his body and mind because if he doesn't people could die. Because if he is weak or too tired for even one second he could miss a grapple or fail to free someone from under a piece of debris. He doesn't have an endless supply of power or magic. All he has is his body and mind.

PapaGreg096:

Captain Marvelous:

PapaGreg096:
Batman has the freakin hell bat armor and not that he has tons of military grade weaponary and vehicles. Its not like he's Daredevil or Wildcat where he just fights with the Grit of his teeth

But that's exactly what he's doing most of the time. Yeah, he's got the Hell-Bat armor and probably more than one tank, but how often does he actually use them? More often than not, Batman fights with his fists and he gets beaten to a bloody pulp. He isn't my favorite powerless hero, but I wont write him off completely for occasional use of powerful tools.

Batman has his gadgets and has either Fox or Alfred giving him intel on the the situation. Also while the batsuit isn't as strong as say the Ironman Armor, at least in modern incarnations it does give him a boost in strength and durability. As for getting beaten into a pulp maybe when it comes to supervillians like Bane or Joker he does but most of the time he mostly gets scratches and shallow cuts.

Scratches and shallow cuts isn't exactly the impression I've had of Batman. There are many Batman books I haven't read, but getting stabbed, beaten, blown up, and tortured is basically part of what I've come to expect.

But yeah, his Batsuit and other tech does provide a boost that may make him more like Blue Beetle and Booster Gold than I originally suggested.

Honestly if anyone wants a heroes who gets their licks check out Invincible the stuff he endures makes Batman look like a chump.

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Because they exhibit other qualities the we can look up to like courage, compassion, determination... among others.
I do agree that Batman is overdone to the point of absurdity and is often poorly written to give him an edge over heroes with powers just because he's a fan favorite. Also I love the spectacle of a good super power beat down, but that doesn't discount the appeal of non-powered heroes.

Samtemdo8:

Squilookle:

Agent_Z:

Well, there's your answer to why people like superheroes who don't have super powers.

I think that's an /thread.

Completely and utterly.

But I still think there is a lack of appreciation for actual superheroes with superpowers in favor of Batman and his ilk

There is place for both kinds. But I don't see where that lack of appreciation you are speaking about. Most superheroes have superpowers of one kind or another, and they aren't going anywhere.

Humans like empowerment stories and they like to see people overcome obstacles. Whether or not they use superpowers to do these things is just a detail.

Speaking of, I'm once again reminded to sing the praises of The Phantom. A comic series about a guy who appears to be an immortal superhero, but actually is simply passing the job from father to son, whenever the father gets killed. There are more stakes than usual comic book here because whoever is the current Phantom can actually die for real, and as the comic creators have a built in way to they move on to the next character, they stay dead. Now there's a franchise that needs a reboot.

I enjoy both.

I enjoy stories about people who have powers wholeheartedly choosing to do the right thing despite all the opportunity they have to lead themselves in to utter debauchery.

I enjoy stories about people without powers who break their bones abiding by their principles, knowing that they could be crushed but never relenting.

I can't speak for Batman himself RECENTLY since every comic I read involving him or his family (besides Jason of course) usually ends up being a test of my patience (Metal has been pretty fun though), which then just devolves in to me PRAYING that now that Watchmen is getting hamfisted in to the mainline DC Universe at least Rorschach finally gets to start offing SOME of the sick, twisted bastards that the Bat-Family are too absolutely pathetic to finish off.

I mean would it ACTUALLY be so bad if some stuffed a grenade in Professor Pyg's throat and tossed him in to a dumpster? No, no it would not.

(No offense to you, Jumbo)

But I digress, this'll just end up being a whole different argument that has a very blatant correct answer outside of "Then what will they write about?", because the appeal for that type of character sort of begins from there.

The appeal for characters with powers such as Superman ticks for me, not because of the powers themselves, but because of the strength of his character and how he applies in increasingly bleak scenarios.

The idea that instead of all the wrong circumstances leading to a bleak and monstrous force of nature that wants to wreak havoc on an unforgivable earth, we have a being that found itself empowered beyond imagination compared to its peers. The difference comes in the fact that this being has been shown all the good that it could protect along with the redeeming aspects of the world that are worth preserving, most especially life. And so with its overwhelming strength in tow it chooses to defend life, without trying to control it, even when the world keeps pushing that care to the brink.

The appeal for characters without powers, or at the very least really crazy ones is the idea of an average person, easily susceptible to grabbing for the closest venue of power, choosing to act as they are, their bodies be damned. No matter how much pain they need to endure, now matter how much their bones might ache for an end, they push on for the sake of everyone but themselves.

Both of these can hit close to home in regards to how their humanity comes in to play and how easy it would be for them to fall in to slumps, knowing what they'd risk for it.

In the end though it is just personal opinion, but I hope my answer contributed to the discussion.

Samtemdo8:

And having heroes that has no powers yet can match the superpowered world destroys the fantasy.

Batman in essence is an aberration to the Fantasy of being a Superhero.

Have you considered that this is an aberration to your own fantasy of wanting to immerse in something larger than life? If so, that's cool, but I don't think it's fair for you to define what that is for everyone.

To me, Batman is in many ways larger than life. He may not have superhuman ability, but it would be shallow to devalue a hero who lacks it. What about character, morals, or wits?

Most super heroes are hardly super when you think about it. Humans would easily dispatch a hero that can shoot fire from their hands, as we have mastered fire. A bomb would blow Wolverine's organic material apart and would not regenerate. Invisibility (disappearing in the visible light spectrum, let's say) isn't all that useful against modern technology.

This is why truly amazing heroes aren't defined by ability, but their character.

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