Extra Credits discussion thread

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My search brought up some old threads about various aspects of the show, but I didn't see a dedicated discussion thread about it. So, what are your thoughts on the channel? For me, I don't always agree with them, but they can bring up interesting points or perspectives that I wouldn't have considered otherwise.

I like that they expanded their content to history (the South Sea Bubble and The Broad Street Pump are my favorite) and sci-fi literature (I can't wait for them to talk about Asimov).

I watched them while they were here but didn't care enough to follow them after they left. The show was ok but I can't actually think of any points they bought up now.

They are one of the better analysis channels around, but at this point I think I like their history stuff best. They have kinda covered almost everything for the game stuff.

I used to enjoy their content until they got greedy. Long story short, their artist got injured and needed surgery or else she wouldn't ever draw again. They had a fundraiser and needed I believe $20,000 to have the surgery. They made over $100,000 and instead of using it to better their show or improve their content, they wanted to make their own Indie Studio and screw over their fans on here. The Escapist CM held them to the contract but, they tried playing victim and making The Escapist look like a big culprit bully. They even lied at times to look more innocent until the CM revealed what happened during their conversation, how they hired lawyers before the CM could even get a meeting scheduled.

They're not bad or evil obviously, but they clearly rubbed me off the wrong way and I'll never trust them or watch their content ever again.

I wasn't very impressed with them a few weeks ago when they did those episodes that essentially defended lootboxes.

I like their history stuff, but their gaming stuff is a bit too deep for me in general.

They think that lootboxes are fine and people need to shut up and accept overpriced games. Screw em'.

And their history videos aren't any good, either. They aren't as bad as John Green, but they're pretty bad.

HOWEVER, the head guy's stuff specifically on animation, which is a thing he actually has insider knowledge of, is pretty good. His guest appearance on Mother's Basement was really insightful.

Canadamus Prime:
I wasn't very impressed with them a few weeks ago when they did those episodes that essentially defended lootboxes.

But publishers have to make money somehow! If they don't use microtransactions, loot boxes, deluxe editions, day one dlc, and season passes they just won't make enough money to cover the cost of development.

Is this the future you want?!

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I like them, they make some good points.
Some folks get butt hurt because they don't immediately kiss the asses of certain gaming sects.

The best thing to happen for them was for TE to fuck them over.
Going to youtube has really allowed them to make some great content.

I watched them while they were here but thought they were kind of just off in their own little world with some of the theories and solutions they were throwing out. Like they were too used to dealing with technology and forgot that humans can be unpredictable bastards with that whole "emotions" thing we have going. I haven't followed them since they left the site

I see them as I see the Simpsons: Outstandingly good content that I couldn't wait consume early on, gradually transformed into content that I more or less consider "okay".

I haven't watched new Simpsons episodes in almost a decade.

Ftaghn To You Too:

And their history videos aren't any good, either. They aren't as bad as John Green, but they're pretty bad.

Care to elaborate what's wrong with John Green?

Drathnoxis:

Canadamus Prime:
I wasn't very impressed with them a few weeks ago when they did those episodes that essentially defended lootboxes.

But publishers have to make money somehow! If they don't use microtransactions, loot boxes, deluxe editions, day one dlc, and season passes they just won't make enough money to cover the cost of development.

Is this the future you want?!

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First of all I call BS on all that. And second of all if that means all the big publishers go out of business then yes.

I don't really like them. Everything they say in their video's is weaksauce and mediocre.

Canadamus Prime:

Drathnoxis:
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First of all I call BS on all that. And second of all if that means all the big publishers go out of business then yes.

I'm inclined to believe that Drathnoxis was being sarcastic.

Not interested in their history stuff. They've covered pretty much everything to do with video games meaning they haven't done a topic I'm interested in for a couple of years (though haven't paid attention to them as much as I did when they were hosted here). Never liked how they presented their videos either.

Lately though, I've really hated the videos I've watched. Making the argument that the price for games should be raised? Defending lootboxes? I'm out.

Canadamus Prime:

First of all I call BS on all that. And second of all if that means all the big publishers go out of business then yes.

But look at poor Bobby Kotick! He already needs to beg on the street! You heartless, heartless man!
Okay, your post just really made me want to edit a picture so that Bobby Kotick was begging.

I have no strong feelings towards them one way ano...

Canadamus Prime:
I wasn't very impressed with them a few weeks ago when they did those episodes that essentially defended lootboxes.

Ftaghn To You Too:
They think that lootboxes are fine and people need to shut up and accept overpriced games. Screw em'.

Caramel Frappe:
I used to enjoy their content until they got greedy. Long story short, their artist got injured and needed surgery or else she wouldn?t ever draw again. They had a fundraiser and needed I believe $20,000 to have the surgery. They made over $100,000 and instead of using it to better their show or improve their content, they wanted to make their own Indie Studio and screw over their fans on here. The Escapist CM held them to the contract but, they tried playing victim and making The Escapist look like a big culprit bully. They even lied at times to look more innocent until the CM revealed what happened during their conversation, how they hired lawyers before the CM could even get a meeting scheduled.

They?re not bad or evil obviously, but they clearly rubbed me off the wrong way and I?ll never trust them or watch their content ever again.

...the bastards! they've lost all extra credibility now

Pseudonym:
I don't really like them. Everything they say in their video's is weaksauce and mediocre.

Canadamus Prime:

Drathnoxis:
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First of all I call BS on all that. And second of all if that means all the big publishers go out of business then yes.

I'm inclined to believe that Drathnoxis was being sarcastic.

*facepalm* Of course he was. How could I be so dense?

Drathnoxis:

Canadamus Prime:

First of all I call BS on all that. And second of all if that means all the big publishers go out of business then yes.

But look at poor Bobby Kotick! He already needs to beg on the street! You heartless, heartless man!
Okay, your post just really made me want to edit a picture so that Bobby Kotick was begging.

Yes I am a heartless man. I spare not a thought for the poor poor Bobby Kotick who makes more in a week than I'll ever see in my entire life. I am so ashamed.

They've said things I agree with, and some I haven't. Gotta give 'em points for presentation.

I don't remember the whole video but lootboxes weren't completely supported. I do think though that this industry REALLY does need more financial transparency. Not just so we can see the profits, but the costs as well.

One thing I do agree on with Jim Sterling is how horribly silent the industry can be. I mean, you can't just say, "lootboxes/microtransactions are needed in $60 games" and not present us hard facts that support that.

Besides that though, people say they've already covered most of the things in the industry and I actually disagree. Give their videos a look sometime. Lots of good stuff in there actually.

Guys, we shouldn't be posting on this thread. Don't you know that we're running out of internet? We've gotta conserve it, people.

I used to like them, but they got a stick up their asses the more the show went on. So I had stop watching around 2012. It didn't help they were either trying to do some agenda or they fucking failed in their research. Extra Credit's latest statement with lootboxes, and the piss poor damage control they tried; made me lose even more respect. Especially when Jim "Fucking" Sterling shot down all of their arguments and revealed how bought out and full of shit EC had become. They were about how publishers and developers shouldn't screw over their own customers, and how games should be art. Now EC contradicts themselves on everything they said losing more credibility they barely earned. It's like with Movie Bob and most of the staff from Channel Awesome.

Never really liked em to be honest. I mean, they did put a bit more thought into subjects than the standard internet troll, but the heavy handed way they present everything like it's some revelation nobody else could have thought of was just dripping with arrogance.

Plus there's the whole 'why they left the Escapist' thing as well...

They were okay while they were here although the fanbase could be really obnoxious (Gamification is a topic that comes to mind on something that the fanbase was all too willing to take them as Word of God on.). After they left, I think I watched a video or two but I haven't really kept up.

As such, I haven't seen the video on lootboxes/raising prices on video games. Given the lack of realistic thought on this site involving economics (not just games but anything with economics), I can't say whether I'd agree or not but I can't be arsed to watch.

CM156:
Guys, we shouldn't be posting on this thread. Don't you know that we're running out of internet? We've gotta conserve it, people.

That's something they said, right? I vaguely remember one of their videos talking about something like that back when they were here.

Drathnoxis:

CM156:
Guys, we shouldn't be posting on this thread. Don't you know that we're running out of internet? We've gotta conserve it, people.

That's something they said, right? I vaguely remember one of their videos talking about something like that back when they were here.

Something to that effect. It's routinely mocked on /v/ and other imageboards as being an example of poor research.

I generally like their stuff, especially the history and sci-fi series, but the Lootbox episodes were painful to watch. It's particularly obnoxious when huge corporations which make boatloads of profit every year try to plead poverty because "Video games are too expensive to make, thus we NEED lootboxes to survive". The EC video completely ignores this and it feels dishonest.

Dalisclock:
I generally like their stuff, especially the history and sci-fi series, but the Lootbox episodes were painful to watch. It's particularly obnoxious when huge corporations which make boatloads of profit every year try to plead poverty because "Video games are too expensive to make, thus we NEED lootboxes to survive". The EC video completely ignores this and it feels dishonest.

when they described all the money they needed to make a game, all I could think was - how about don't spend that money. Find a way to become more efficient. Don't make us, the consumers, pay for your ineffectiveness.

I understand when they side with dev studios, but their recent stand on lootboxes was firmly on the publisher's side. And that's where I draw the line and firmly label Extra Credits anti-consumer. When its consumer vs publisher we now know where they stand. So, I don't watch EC anymore. Which is a shame. In this and last year on content I've lost. Feed Dump, Cracked.com, Extra Credits... It seems like I barely watch youtube anymore.

trunkage:

Dalisclock:
I generally like their stuff, especially the history and sci-fi series, but the Lootbox episodes were painful to watch. It's particularly obnoxious when huge corporations which make boatloads of profit every year try to plead poverty because "Video games are too expensive to make, thus we NEED lootboxes to survive". The EC video completely ignores this and it feels dishonest.

when they described all the money they needed to make a game, all I could think was - how about don't spend that money. Find a way to become more efficient. Don't make us, the consumers, pay for your ineffectiveness.

There was something else the EC video glossed over. It talked about thing such as Office Space, Computers, Furniture, break facilities, janitorial services, etc.

Sure, all well and good, but a lot of those are start up costs with some maintenance and upkeep. Once you have the offices and such, sure, you're paying rent, but you not having to buy a bunch of new office furniture and computers with each game(At least I hope you're not). Especially if you're EA or UBISOFT, companies that have been killing it for decades.

It's wierd. The EC video seems to miss the point by positing a brand new company having to buy all this stuff to get going, except that the start up companies aren't the ones people are complaining about here. It's the behemoths that aren't satisfied with just making a profit(they need all the profit) that's sparking outrage here.

Dalisclock:

It's wierd. The EC video seems to miss the point by positing a brand new company having to buy all this stuff to get going, except that the start up companies aren't the ones people are complaining about here. It's the behemoths that aren't satisfied with just making a profit(they need all the profit) that's sparking outrage here.

Oh, EC know this. They're believing their own lies, or sucking up that much to publishers that use the worse practices.

Dalisclock:
There was something else the EC video glossed over. It talked about thing such as Office Space, Computers, Furniture, break facilities, janitorial services, etc.

Sure, all well and good, but a lot of those are start up costs with some maintenance and upkeep. Once you have the offices and such, sure, you're paying rent, but you not having to buy a bunch of new office furniture and computers with each game(At least I hope you're not). Especially if you're EA or UBISOFT, companies that have been killing it for decades.

It's wierd. The EC video seems to miss the point by positing a brand new company having to buy all this stuff to get going, except that the start up companies aren't the ones people are complaining about here. It's the behemoths that aren't satisfied with just making a profit(they need all the profit) that's sparking outrage here.

Also mewonders if they happened to gloss over the overseas tax havens the usual suspects are keeping their profits accumulating in too. You would've thought with so little tax to pay, they wouldn't be in such dire straits.

Canadamus Prime:
I wasn't very impressed with them a few weeks ago when they did those episodes that essentially defended lootboxes.

Is essentially the reason I didn't follow them after the exodus here. I find Jim Sterling more analytical and less dependent on clean graphics. Sure, his positions can be disagreeable but I think his basic tendency to play consumer's advocate outweighs this. That and he's funnier. :P

Redlin5:

Canadamus Prime:
I wasn't very impressed with them a few weeks ago when they did those episodes that essentially defended lootboxes.

Is essentially the reason I didn't follow them after the exodus here. I find Jim Sterling more analytical and less dependent on clean graphics. Sure, his positions can be disagreeable but I think his basic tendency to play consumer's advocate outweighs this. That and he's funnier. :P

I used to think that EC were consumer advocates as well since they went off on EA for their despicable marketing and did several videos ranting about the whole "whales" thing. Apparently though they've bought into the Publisher's excuses of "games are so expensive to make" even if many of the expenses are bloated and superfluous.
Yeah I don't always like Jim Sterling's approach, but he's always been a consumer advocate and I very much appreciate that.

Dalisclock:
There was something else the EC video glossed over. It talked about thing such as Office Space, Computers, Furniture, break facilities, janitorial services, etc.

Sure, all well and good, but a lot of those are start up costs with some maintenance and upkeep. Once you have the offices and such, sure, you're paying rent, but you not having to buy a bunch of new office furniture and computers with each game(At least I hope you're not). Especially if you're EA or UBISOFT, companies that have been killing it for decades.

It's wierd. The EC video seems to miss the point by positing a brand new company having to buy all this stuff to get going, except that the start up companies aren't the ones people are complaining about here. It's the behemoths that aren't satisfied with just making a profit(they need all the profit) that's sparking outrage here.

Yeah, they come of as pseudo-intellectuals when discussing business practices of established companies. They view all game development from the perspective of a brand new startup. That said, their audience is supposed to be new game developers and their message is towards those parties. But of course they missed the forest for the trees and made sweeping statements about monitization without clarifying the company organization.

AAA companies suffer from internal departmental politics - as most massive companies do. The marketing staff will say that the company needs to invest more in marketing, and the figures prove it! We did our marketing research that proves that marketing departments need more marketing funding which directly results in better revenue! They do not consider the impact of other aspects of the company like, you know, word of mouth or the genuine quality of the game. Nope, money into marketing = better sales, the marketing analysts prove it.

Then the teams in charge of data security state DRM is needed otherwise piracy will run rampant, and they've done their research! It's all really about those departments getting bigger salaries but the shareholders do not understand the industry and just believe whatever the incredibly profitable company is telling them because they must know what they're doing because they're profitable.

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