Extra Credits discussion thread

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I have seen a live-video from a convention some years ago, where they (or more that guy with longer hair) were pretentious little fucks which destroyed any enjoyment I could get out of them. Some videos also were more on the 'feels-side' rather than on profounded objectivity. Maybe I got the wrong impression back then like with Jim Sterling but boy oh boy did I feel disgusted back then.

I liked Extra Credits when they were here on the site, enough to keep following them after they left. The whole debacle when they left the site was a bit sour though, that was a shame. I do like their gaming videos in general still; I think the fact that they're all in the industry gives them an interesting and unique viewpoint on a lot of issues but as the recent-ish videos where they defended microtransactions showed, when push comes to shove they toe the company line and go for financial and pro-publisher reasoning over artistic or pro-consumer decisions.

Never watched their history or non-gaming videos though, never been interested enough to view them.

Naldan:
I have seen a live-video from a convention some years ago, where they (or more that guy with longer hair) were pretentious little fucks which destroyed any enjoyment I could get out of them. Some videos also were more on the 'feels-side' rather than on profounded objectivity. Maybe I got the wrong impression back then like with Jim Sterling but boy oh boy did I feel disgusted back then.

Yeah James always came off as pretty pretentious. I liked Extra Credits more when it was just Dan.



OT: Didn't they used to make mistakes in their videos or leave things out and then claim that they did it intentionally so that people would have to look into it themselves or something? Also I remember that one video where they were slagging off the intro to Skyrim and comparing it to the opening of Call of Duty 4, a game James personally worked on, but they never disclosed that fact in the video. That didn't score them any points in my book.

Maybe the reason why I've liked them so long is that I never saw them as consumer advocates.They gave insight into how companies work, not how to make them better from a consumer viewpoint. I seemed to remember them giving free passes to certain industry practices before, but probably not so many in quick succession.

Well, I certainly learned quite a bit from this thread (Drathnoxis's first post alone would've made this worth it). It helped me understand EC's detractors a bit better and inspired me to try to find rebuttals for their videos. Anyway, while I was looking to see if there were any parodies of the show, and I came across this video from 2012:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEvZmG24NTM

Despite being labeled as a parody, it seems less like the guy is making fun of them and more like he's just using their format to talk about a subject he's interested in (he brings up some good points about children's movies). There's also this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUuJMTFH7wI

This one leans more on the "making fun of them" side of parodies. It made me chuckle a few times, but it's rather awkward since it uses audio clips from the show, just cut up and rearranged to say different things (so if you don't like how the voice sounds normally, this is probably worse).

By the way, I noticed a few of you mentioned Jim Sterling and his response to Extra Credits' lootbox videos. I had seen those already, but in my search, I also found appabend; admittedly, his channel might need its own thread, but he did a pretty good deconstruction on EC's video comparing Yakuza 0 with Persona 5 (which I found interesting because it wasn't about the lootbox videos, and because I haven't played Persona 5 myself):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIBRYUQ2kUQ

Any thoughts on these videos? Any other responses to Extra Credits that are worth checking out? Maybe this could spark a bit more EC discussion.

James is a pompous douche who seems to have about the same knowledge of games as most "games analysts" a la Mark Brown who try to talk about mechanics and game development when they haven't even made any games. It really comes off in some of the more controversial episodes. It's a shame, because it's sorta impacted my view on Dan who is actually a pretty nice (and actually talented) guy from what we've seen in like the Side Quest videos and other things where he actually speaks for himself.

It's interesting to look for times James admits his lack of expertise; a lot of the technical videos or videos about dev problems open with things like "when James was working with a team whose game just wasn't coming together," as if he's some magical game shaman even though he's never made any games, or "at a talk James got asked about how to fix (x problem in development) and we thought it was interesting enough to answer again here". It's never anything like "once while making a game, James encountered x" or "in our experience, x is a good way of doing things".

I also found this nugget while looking on their Wikipedia page. Guess it hasn't been updated in a while...
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Imaynotbehere4long:

By the way, I noticed a few of you mentioned Jim Sterling and his response to Extra Credits' lootbox videos. I had seen those already, but in my search, I also found appabend; admittedly, his channel might need its own thread, but he did a pretty good deconstruction on EC's video comparing Yakuza 0 with Persona 5 (which I found interesting because it wasn't about the lootbox videos, and because I haven't played Persona 5 myself):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIBRYUQ2kUQ

Any thoughts on these videos? Any other responses to Extra Credits that are worth checking out? Maybe this could spark a bit more EC discussion.

That video sounded pretty defensive and bias. Even if we agree that EC was wrong, he made a lot of uncalled personal accusations. If he can't make his arguments without those accusations, maybe his arguments alone aren't strong enough?

Fair points. I guess part of the reason I felt better toward that video is because it's better produced than some of the other response videos I saw, and he even goes into more detail on what goes on in the Persona 5 chapter to help explain his points (because, like I said, I haven't played that game and didn't know those things).

But yeah, on re-watching the video, I can see what you mean.

Imaynotbehere4long:
Fair points. I guess part of the reason I felt better toward that video is because it's better produced than some of the other response videos I saw, and he even goes into more detail on what goes on in the Persona 5 chapter to help explain his points (because, like I said, I haven't played that game and didn't know those things).

But yeah, on re-watching the video, I can see what you mean.

I haven't played the game either (I'm busy with Persona 4 right now), and I'm trying to avoid spoilers. And to be fair, that video has some interesting bits of info and opinion about the difference between Japan and American approach to sex as taboo. Even the argument itself isn't so stretched either: "the context here makes it justified".

I like their history stuff, but the recent episode of them defending lootboxes pretty much ruins their credibility regarding video games.

Also, bring back Extra Remix damn it!

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