I saw all five Transformers movies over the last few days and I'd like to talk about the experience.

Dear Escapist friends,

I've decided to watch Michael Bay's Transformers movies because... well, for one because I have never seen them and was curious, but also because I always felt it's interesting to look at works usually dimissed as, you know, bad. Now, I knew for a fact that Bay's a pretty talented guy. Pain and Gain is one of my favourite movies of the past decade and proves quite conclusively that he's not by any means the immature overgrown fratboy detractors often make him out to be. Crass and vulgar as it was, Pain and Gain was in many ways a pretty introspective and socially aware movie. It didn't exactly paint a very favourable picture of the society it's aware of but I can't blame it for that. So I was very eager to see if the Transformers series deserved the reputation it had.

So, let me start this off saying that I have absolutely no experience with the Transformers franchise outside of these movies and I don't care to. I'm vaguely aware that there's a group of sentimental Gen Xers who maintain that the animated movie from the 80s still holds up but quite frankly, I don't give a dang, for what it's worth, the backstory of the actual robots was the least interesting thing about these movies. What I will say is that they were interesting.

Most modern franchise movies are a pretty homogenized affair. You watch any given Marvel movie and they have more or less the same style of writing and more or less the same look, same goes, to a lesser extent, for Star Wars and post-BvS DC. The actual directors feels quite incidental to them. The Transformers movies feel like Michael Bay movies through and through, there's absolutely no attempt made to dial back his style to please the studio. All of Bay's obsessions, the sports cars, the women in tight hot pants, the sunsets, the explosions and the vulgar humor, are right there. He's neither expected, nor willing to make any concessions to political correctness, accesibility or good taste. Every single one of these movies is unapologetically indulgent and I can't help but admire them for it. Bay creates some of the most colourful, elaborate, shamelessly sexual and visually pleasing images I have ever seen, all for the sake of a series of dumb movies about fighting toy robots.

Those movies technically have characters, both human and mechanical and they technically have stories, though it'd be hard for me to tell you more than the broad strokes of them. If pressed on it I'd even go as far as to say they have themes, first and foremost about the relationship between man and machine but all of that takes a backseat to Bay's baroque excesses.

The movies have become the go to example for disposable Hollywood trash, sound and fury, signifying nothing, but I don't think that quite does them justice. I don't think any one of them has a screenplay that's better than awful but one thing they're not is soulless. They are gorgeuosly shot and have some absolutely breathtaking imagery. We live in a world where someone like Joss Whedon can film superheroes as if they were office drones, without any sense of passion, wonder or excitement whatsoever. Almost each frame of Transformers is dripping with style. The iconic image of Megan Fox seductively opening up a car. Mark Wahlberg, playing an idealistic inventor, looking out at the sunset. The squeaky clean interior of a futuristic office building. The explosive fights between two groups of alien robots as buildings collapse around them. Bay lends a painterly sensibility to the most lowbrow of subject matters.

As poorly written as they are, there's a sense of mad genius to these movies. At their best they are a display of breathtaking futurism and boundless ambition, of blurring the line between realism and pop-art, at once stunningly beautiful and throughly disposable. Trash arranged as a work of art. The last movie, Last Knight in particular, almost experimental in it's editing. It's a movie where the aspect ratio can change with almost every single cut. No concern for visual coherency, only for what would look best in the moment, for one particular image. It's explosive climax easily among the most visually impressive sequences ever put to film, making Star Wars: Last Jedi and even Blade Runner 2049, both of which came out roughly around the same time, look quaint in comparison.

The Transformers movies are fascinating works, beautiful, vulgar, insane, sleazy, offensive and, in the end, utterly vapid. I don't regret seeing them, quite the opposite, I was entertained almost all the way through. There's a type of art in how utterly, uncompromisably indulgent they are. It's like watching a child play with his action figures which might make them a truer adaptation of the toys they are based on than any other ones. I'm not entirely sure if Bay is too good for this franchise but god knows he directed the shit out of those movies and if these screenplays had been adapted by anyone else, they never would have become the phenomenon they are. They are auteur trash. Science Fiction as imagined by Andy Warhol. A display of massive quantities of talent, money, time and labour used to create something utterly meaningless. 5 2,5 hour epics of pure mindless decadence.

Basically, what I'm saying is, I really liked them. 7.5/10

I only saw the first two, and I wish I could fucking forget them.

Unfortunately China loves these piles of dog vommit, so they'll making 'm.

Casual Shinji:
I only saw the first two, and I wish I could fucking forget them.

Unfortunately China loves these piles of dog vommit, so they'll making 'm.

And the irony is that even they hated the 5th movie, Last Knight. China is finally fucking learning. I quit after Age of Extinction. All I can say about all the films have seen are:

Transformers (2007) - Average, but hasn't aged well. The second least annoying out of all the films.

EDIT:

Revenge of the Fallen - FUCK. THIS. MOVIE. TWO HOURS AND 45 MINUTES OF MY LIFE I AM NEVER GETTING BACK. How Angry Joe gave this a high rating, I'll never know, but that proves he don't know shit.

Dark of the Moon - Barely better than the first two.

Age of Extinction - Fun for the first hour or so. After that, it's more of the same, but tolerable.

I'd think transformers would be better if they got rid of all human in the story. Shoehorning the army etc into the battles doesn't make sense as they don't do much. A lot of pointless cuts to pointless people.

I'm also always going to go for a CGI Hulk than Optimus.

As a Transformers fan, these films are pretty insulting and bad.

Also really not a fan of Pain and Gain either tbh.

Eh, i remember feeling insulted by one of those Movies, haven't watched any of those after... Was something wiht a robot having wrecking balls... as "balls", some guy whipering into a radio: "We are under the enemies scrotum" and then the military shot a ship-mounted railgun in the sea and hit it at the pyramids.... sigh.

Also all the people, especially the woman are oily... everything was orange and washed out. Shia Labeouf is there... seriously, no idea anymore... Pretty much all i remember was being disgusted by how non-fun giant fighting robots can be.

Ah, also: I did a similar experiment a few weeks back: in 2 days i watched ALL Fast & Furious movies. I should write about that too sometimes. But overall: Movies got stupider, but more fun (And changed from thriller to heist to action) until the last one... which was just terrible.

I AM A F.B.I. AGENT... wait a second, is the first one very similar to Point Break? Need to watch Point Break again.

EDIT: Oh, i liked Pain & Gain, i took that as evidence that Bay can still do good movies IF he wants to. The "Grilling the Hand - Scene" was funny, Wahlberg played stupid and weirdly likeable and you can never not like the Rock.

Well, having only seen Revenge and Age...

CoCage:

Revenge of the Fallen - FUCK. THIS. MOVIE. TWO HOURS AND 45 MINUTES OF MY LIFE I AM NEVER GETTING BACK.

Pretty much this, and-

How Angry Hoe gave this a high rating, I'll never know, but that proves he don't know shit.

Right, so because someone disagrees with you, they "don't know shit."

Okay then...

Age of Extinction - Fun for the first hour or so. After that, it's more of the same, but tolerable.

"Fun for the first hour" is a bit too generous.

AoE isn't as bad as Revenge (few, if any movies are), but while it kinda occupies guilty pleasure territory for me, that's with a lot of guilt, and not a lot of pleasure. It's...it's bad, okay? Long, tedious, tired, and tepid.

Hawki:
Well, having only seen Revenge and Age...

CoCage:

Revenge of the Fallen - FUCK. THIS. MOVIE. TWO HOURS AND 45 MINUTES OF MY LIFE I AM NEVER GETTING BACK.

Pretty much this, and-

How Angry Hoe gave this a high rating, I'll never know, but that proves he don't know shit.

Right, so because someone disagrees with you, they "don't know shit."

Okay then...

EDIT:

The fucker went out of his way to insult people who didn't enjoy the movie, so fuck Angry Joe. Calling them pussies or people who don't know how to have fun was the worst response to criticism I've ever seen. I know how to have fun, I just like movies that doesn't treats it's audience like thundering dumbasses. It's no different from the people on Channel Awesome, who insulted general moviegoers for liking the film. This where my dislike for certain contributors from the site began, but I'm not going into that.

Summerstorm:
Eh, i remember feeling insulted by one of those Movies, haven't watched any of those after... Was something wiht a robot having wrecking balls... as "balls", some guy whipering into a radio: "We are under the enemies scrotum" and then the military shot a ship-mounted railgun in the sea and hit it at the pyramids.... sigh.

Also all the people, especially the woman are oily... everything was orange and washed out. Shia Labeouf is there... seriously, no idea anymore... Pretty much all i remember was being disgusted by how non-fun giant fighting robots can be.

Ah, also: I did a similar experiment a few weeks back: in 2 days i watched ALL Fast & Furious movies. I should write about that too sometimes. But overall: Movies got stupider, but more fun (And changed from thriller to heist to action) until the last one... which was just terrible.

I AM A F.B.I. AGENT... wait a second, is the first one very similar to Point Break? Need to watch Point Break again.

EDIT: Oh, i liked Pain & Gain, i took that as evidence that Bay can still do good movies IF he wants to. The "Grilling the Hand - Scene" was funny, Wahlberg played stupid and weirdly likeable and you can never not like the Rock.

Fate of the Furious is what I like to call fanfiction in live-action form. It's the reason why I refused to see it. The F&F franchise is running out of steam. Why make another one? Paul Walker gone, and anything done afterward is gonna be seen as a step backwards regardless of quality. No offense to the other actors, though fuck Tyrese (egotistical little shit), but there is just something missing from the 8th film. I wish the best of luck to them, but hopefully they can find something beyond the F&F movies.

Yeah, Revenge is molten garbage. The forest action scene was nice, but that doesn't make the whole thing much better.

The third one showcases the most Bay-style misanthropy in his movies (that I've seen).

CoCage:

The fucker went out of his way to insult people who didn't enjoy the movie, so fuck Angry Joe. Calling them pussies or people who don't know how to have fun was the worst response to criticism I've ever seen. I know how to have fun, I just like movies that treats it's audience like thundering dumbasses. It's no different from the people on Channel Awesome, who insulted general moviegoers for liking the film. This where my dislike for certain contributors from the site began, but I'm not going into that.

Okay, fair enough, didn't know about that.

McElroy:
Yeah, Revenge is molten garbage. The forest action scene was nice,

Actually agree there.

The third one showcases the most Bay-style misanthropy in his movies (that I've seen).

Haven't seen the third, but of what I've seen of Bay's filmography, I'd never pinned him as having misanthropy. I mean, look at Armageddon - it's drenched in melodrama, because of course down on their luck guys are gonna save the day, and daddy is going to say goodbye for his daughter, and yadda yadda yadda. On Transformers - there's quite a lot of "America, fuck yeah!" moments, at least if one equates the no. of US flags with the prevalance of the military. And while I dislike the film a lot, Pearl Harbour at least tries to be a humane story about the cost of war and decent people sufffering it, and actually succeeds at times.

The transformers movies are great examples of why you shouldn't make character driven pieces where the characters in question take 4 million dollars a second to animate

Because at that point they just become backdrops in their own movies

CoCage:

Hawki:
Well, having only seen Revenge and Age...

CoCage:

Revenge of the Fallen - FUCK. THIS. MOVIE. TWO HOURS AND 45 MINUTES OF MY LIFE I AM NEVER GETTING BACK.

Pretty much this, and-

How Angry Hoe gave this a high rating, I'll never know, but that proves he don't know shit.

Right, so because someone disagrees with you, they "don't know shit."

Okay then...

The fucker went out of his way to insult people who didn't enjoy the movie, so fuck Angry Joe. Calling them pussies or people who don't know how to have fun was the worst response to criticism I've ever seen. I know how to have fun, I just like movies that treats it's audience like thundering dumbasses. It's no different from the people on Channel Awesome, who insulted general moviegoers for liking the film. This where my dislike for certain contributors from the site began, but I'm not going into that.

At this point I can't help but remember MovieBob's reviews of Transformers 2 and 3 where he openly stated that people who enjoy these movies shouldn't be allowed to vote or drive a car. He mellowed out a bit for his reviews of Age of Extinction and Last Knight but my god, was he spewing venom when talking about the first three. It's one of the reasons why I decided to watch them, actually, they got a lot of very emotional reactions out of people for various reasons.

For what it's worth, I probably like Revenge of the Fallen more than the first one. But I think I'm watching those for different reasons than most other people.

Hawki:

CoCage:

The fucker went out of his way to insult people who didn't enjoy the movie, so fuck Angry Joe. Calling them pussies or people who don't know how to have fun was the worst response to criticism I've ever seen. I know how to have fun, I just like movies that treats it's audience like thundering dumbasses. It's no different from the people on Channel Awesome, who insulted general moviegoers for liking the film. This where my dislike for certain contributors from the site began, but I'm not going into that.

Okay, fair enough, didn't know about that.

McElroy:
Yeah, Revenge is molten garbage. The forest action scene was nice,

Actually agree there.

The third one showcases the most Bay-style misanthropy in his movies (that I've seen).

Haven't seen the third, but of what I've seen of Bay's filmography, I'd never pinned him as having misanthropy.

Okay, let's dig into the themes of the Transformers series. Almost managed to write this with a straight face.

So, the portrayal of Sam Witwicky's (Shia LeBeaouf) parent as unpleasant, unintelligent, middle aged american suburbanites was so unsympathetic that I can't see it coming from a place other than genuine hatred for that kind of person. There's also an overlying sense of anti authoritarianism going through these movies. There's this one Decepticon, Blockade or Barricade or something, who turns into a police car that has the words "to punish and enslave" written on its side. I actually looked it up and that design decision wasn't there in any other versions of the characters so make of that what you will. What probably does carry over from the cartoons and action figures and stuff is that almost all the Decepticons turn into vehicles usually associated with authority. Police cars, fighter jets, tanks and so on, though I'm pretty sure that is from the actual toys.

Hell, the first movie had a scene of a sleazy government spook, who would get his own little redemption arc throughout the two subsequent movies, getting pissed on, stripped to his underwear and handcuffed to a lamp post. Doesn't stop there. The government, the american government specifically, is portrayed, at best, as an uneasy ally throughout all five movies. In the third one it's trying to deport the Autobots forcefully, in the fourth one and fifth one it's actively hunting them down. What the movies do portray positively, for the most part, is the army but at points the army is shown explicitly at odds with with the government and some of its agencies.

The third one and fourth one specifically satirize Big Business as well, the third one hat a sleazy billionaire, Witwicky's employer, actively collaborating with the Decepticons, the fourth one had a Steve Jobs caricature experimenting on Autobots (though he got his redemption as well) while it had Mark Wahlberg as a struggling inventor as arguably the most genuinely virtuous human character in the entire series.

If I had to make a conclusive statement on where these movies stand in terms of political outlook I'd say it's a very idealistic libertarianism, sympathetic to the common people trying to do good for its own sake. Of course I don't have to make this sort of statement because it's fucking Transformers and every analysis beyond if one is entertained by them or not is probably nothing worth paying attention to but it does make for a fun little exercise. I strongly believe that there is no such thing as a movie that's saying nothing, and if only by accident.

Brings us back to the original point: Do these movies present a misanthropic outlook? Don't think so, not overall. Neither does Pain and Gain, though it's cynical as hell. While its main characters and a lot of the people they interact with are absolutely vile people, it doesn't argue that they are this way by nature but by being part of a society that rewards those who are selfish, ignorant and ruthless.

Speaking as one of those sentimental Gen Xers, I do think the 1986 movie still holds up, but then, I'll be the first to admit I couldn't possibly be objective about it. Way too much history between me and it.

As far as Bayformers go... there were a few moments when I was watching the first in the theater in which it struck me as an incredibly subversive take on the whole franchise, the whole orgy of destruction resulting of giant metal aliens duking it out in the middle of cities seeming to say "look at how silly this whole thing is; humanity would be very quickly wiped out if anything of the sort was to actually happen, regardless of one of the sides involved being ostensibly interested in protecting it".

That movie was, I think it goes without saying, my first exposure to Michael Bay, and it quickly disabused me of the notion of there being any depth of that kind to it.

RotF I only bothered with because I was on a 12-hour flight, and it solidified my decision to only bother with TF movies again when the inevitable reboot is announced and someone else is at the helm.

I can't really say much negative about the audio visual part of the movie - it's gorgeous and it sounds good. Bay is a pro at that.
The acting is a bit over the top and a few actors were miscast (Shia in particular).
The humor is hit and miss but I've laughed more while watching Revenge of the Fallen than while watching most modern comedies.

My main problem is that the human characters from the first movie were in the sequels.
All of them were just stereotypes - the loser in love with the popular hot girl, the tech nerds who figure out what the government couldn't, the soldier on his last mission missing his family, the "hip" parents etc. All of them were one dimensional but they worked for a 2 hour summer popcorn movie.
However, their arcs were finished at the end of the first movie and, instead of keeping the Transformers but changing the humans in every installment, they kept the humans for the entire trilogy and made the audience hate them.
Also, the Transformers were a bit underdeveloped in terms of character. Only Optimus and Bumblebee had any kind of character development.

trunkage:
I'd think transformers would be better if they got rid of all human in the story. Shoehorning the army etc into the battles doesn't make sense as they don't do much. A lot of pointless cuts to pointless people.

I'm also always going to go for a CGI Hulk than Optimus.

As far as human characters go, the military makes sense given we're talking about an alien invasion. It's the likes of Sam and Cade that don't make sense and come across as shoe-horned in.

Agent_Z:

trunkage:
I'd think transformers would be better if they got rid of all human in the story. Shoehorning the army etc into the battles doesn't make sense as they don't do much. A lot of pointless cuts to pointless people.

I'm also always going to go for a CGI Hulk than Optimus.

As far as human characters go, the military makes sense given we're talking about an alien invasion. It's the likes of Sam and Cade that don't make sense and come across as shoe-horned in.

I didn't mind them. Seeing what's happening from their perspective gives the action a sense of scale and scope it wouldn't have had if we only saw it from the perspective of the actual Transformers. Plus, again, these movies do have that subtext about the relationship between man and machine somewhere in there.

The movies have become the go to example for disposable Hollywood trash, sound and fury, signifying nothing, but I don't think that quite does them justice. I don't think any one of them has a screenplay that's better than awful but one thing they're not is soulless. They are gorgeuosly shot and have some absolutely breathtaking imagery.

This sums it up - I don't need every movie to make me think to be a better person to have a ' message '- I wanna see stuff get blown up, Mr Bay delivers

I enjoy them the same way I'll enjoy a cheap nasty take away pizza - It's not the best, but darn is it satisfying

All I can say is that Michael Bay and the Transformers movies have become the Godwin's Law of Movie discussion.

Maybe Michael Bay is like Nickelback, people on the internet (and those living their lives mostly on the internet) like to hate on him because it's what everyone does, I guess.

I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any Transformers movies after the first one because it's just not my thing, but as far as I can tell, Michael Bay is, at the very least, very good at making bombastic action filled macho movies, and that's great. I love The Rock (the movie, not the actor), Bad Boys and Pearl Harbor, and I'm sure Pearl Harbor is full of historical mistakes, impossible physics and shit, and I don't care, it's a great dumb movie.

Wintermute:
Maybe Michael Bay is like Nickelback, people on the internet (and those living their lives mostly on the internet) like to hate on him because it's what everyone does, I guess.

I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any Transformers movies after the first one because it's just not my thing, but as far as I can tell, Michael Bay is, at the very least, very good at making bombastic action filled macho movies, and that's great. I love The Rock (the movie, not the actor), Bad Boys and Pearl Harbor, and I'm sure Pearl Harbor is full of historical mistakes, impossible physics and shit, and I don't care, it's a great dumb movie.

I know I'm being contrarian, and not afraid to admit it, but I think that Michael Bay is one of the greatest currently living american aesthets. Sure, his signature style if one of crushing excess but in a world where the most creative way to film action in american cinema is by drenching it in blue and pink neon light his approach feels more and more like a breath of fresh air. And like many great visual directors, see also Zack Snyder, the Wachowski sisters and Tim Burton, he has a regrettable habit of picking bad scripts but if he has something decent to work with that caters to his strenghts he's nailing it. And then you have something like the Transformers series where he's just composing these gorgeous shots and staging these beautiful action sequence on autopilot. I mean, look at this shit:

https://imgur.com/xSVpo2m

And for what? For a movie about toy robots. Just imagine that talent being used to create something even semi well written, like a Star Wars movie.

I genuinely and unironically like the first 4 Transformers movies, and refuse to be ashamed of it or apologize for it. That said, the fifth one wasn't that great, and just felt off for some reason to me.

What people seem to forget is that the whole point of that show and thus the newer movies was "TO SELL TOYS TO KIDS."

Whatever nostalgia you feel for the series is only because you fell for their marketing campaign and somehow grew more attached to a commercial than other people did. I wish they would make more GI Joe movies because even though Channing Tatum is a flaming hypocrite who claims he hated those movies, and regrets doing them, I loved seeing them on the big screen, bringing attention and a return to toy shelves of my favorite childhood franchise. In other words, I feel the same way about GI Joe as the haters do about Transformers, but I loved seeing my childhood return to popularity.

Some people claim that Jazz dying in the first Transformers movie was racist, but he died within the two episode hour long premiere of the 1983 TV show, as well, and that just means it is accurate.

Over all, there is only a few reasons to not enjoy the Michael Bay movies, and they have nothing to do with the quality of the new movies, and entirely with your personal preferences, which are entirely up to you, and there is no wrong or right answer for.

I enjoy them, you may not. Neither of us is wrong, but claiming they are trash because they ruined your childhood is just ludicrous because they were never anything more than commercials for a toy line, and acting like they are some great work of art is overhyping them to the point of ridiculousness

PsychedelicDiamond:
I know I'm being contrarian, and not afraid to admit it, but I think that Michael Bay is one of the greatest currently living american aesthets. Sure, his signature style if one of crushing excess but in a world where the most creative way to film action in american cinema is by drenching it in blue and pink neon light his approach feels more and more like a breath of fresh air. And like many great visual directors, see also Zack Snyder, the Wachowski sisters and Tim Burton, he has a regrettable habit of picking bad scripts but if he has something decent to work with that caters to his strenghts he's nailing it. And then you have something like the Transformers series where he's just composing these gorgeous shots and staging these beautiful action sequence on autopilot. I mean, look at this shit:

https://imgur.com/xSVpo2m

And for what? For a movie about toy robots. Just imagine that talent being used to create something even semi well written, like a Star Wars movie.

I too long for a Michael Bay Star Wars movie, but the way Star Wars is trending, I don't think it will matter unless he gets his own trilogy...

I've only seen the first two Bay Transformers movies. The first was mediocre at best. The focus was on the human cast far more than it was on the Transformers, who should have been the actual stars of the film. As such, only Optimus and Bumblebee got any kind of characterization, and one of the original cartoon's mainstays, Jazz, was disposed of as if a minor side character*. Still, decent action, obvious product placement, and some good cinematography, which is Bay's strong suit.

Revenge of the Fallen was pure tripe. Just everything about it was terrible. The stupid twin Autobots that I have to assume were black gangsta caricatures, Devastator having the equivalent of testicles and the over-focus on them to make sure the audience didn't miss the "joke", the leg-humping Frenzy, it was all just shit. I mean, this went so far beyond the annoyance that Jar Jar Binks was in Episode 1, something that people felt ruined the movie. No amount of cinematography could save this burning refuse pile for me.

I have no interest in seeing any more of these films after the second one was such a wreck. I can only hope they got better, because it would be damn hard to get any worse.

*

Spade Lead:

Some people claim that Jazz dying in the first Transformers movie was racist, but he died within the two episode hour long premiere of the 1983 TV show, as well, and that just means it is accurate.

I never thought it was racist myself, just stupid. As for him dying in the 1983 show, I can find nothing at all that supports this claim. The only death listed for Jazz on the TF wiki is from the Bay movie. Considering how many show episodes, movies, and comics the site delved into for the list of deaths that occur, I feel Jazz's death in the premiere of the cartoon would not have been missed, so I think you must be mistaken here.

COMaestro:

I never thought it was racist myself, just stupid. As for him dying in the 1983 show, I can find nothing at all that supports this claim. The only death listed for Jazz on the TF wiki is from the Bay movie. Considering how many show episodes, movies, and comics the site delved into for the list of deaths that occur, I feel Jazz's death in the premiere of the cartoon would not have been missed, so I think you must be mistaken here.

It was during the one hour premiere when I watched the show (Not the movie) for the first time since I was a child on Netflix in 2011. I think it was on the oil rig, as it collapsed into the sea, but now it has been a long time...

Spade Lead:

It was during the one hour premiere when I watched the show (Not the movie) for the first time since I was a child on Netflix in 2011. I think it was on the oil rig, as it collapsed into the sea, but now it has been a long time...

Speaking as a lifelong Generation 1 fan... Jazz doesn't die in that show; in fact he was, along with Cliffjumper and Bumblebee, one of the few 1984 characters to survive the movie. His voice actor, Scatman Crothers, did die between it and the show's third season, which is why he has only a few non-speaking cameos in the latter, but he was alive for the entirety of G1's run.

Casual Shinji:
I only saw the first two, and I wish I could fucking forget them.

Unfortunately China loves these piles of dog vommit, so they'll making 'm.

Hey which Transformers movie was it that had the big fight in the middle of a Chinese city, 3 or 4? Its got that bit in it where they take time to show the Chinese military leaders reacting super efficiently to the crisis, that just screamed to me of sucking up to them to Chinas propaganda guys who decide what movies are allowed, whatever they are called. Contrasts heavily with their depiction of Americas government during the series I felt. I even heard there were a whole bunch of extra scenes for the Chinese release that employed a bunch of Chinese actors. It really goes to show how China has Hollywood by the balls I think.

Fieldy409:

Hey which Transformers movie was it that had the big fight in the middle of a Chinese city, 3 or 4? Its got that bit in it where they take time to show the Chinese military leaders reacting super efficiently to the crisis, that just screamed to me of sucking up to them to Chinas propaganda guys who decide what movies are allowed, whatever they are called. Contrasts heavily with their depiction of Americas government during the series I felt. I even heard there were a whole bunch of extra scenes for the Chinese release that employed a bunch of Chinese actors. It really goes to show how China has Hollywood by the balls I think.

4.

That said, the Transformers films prior to this point could easily be argued to be US propaganda, especially 2 - I mean, it's not as if Egypt has anything to say about US forces arbitrarily rolling out across Egyptian soil to fight robots that are wrecking the pyramids. On the other hand, 4 gets a bit more overt, with some official mentioning "contacting the home land." Bear in mind that this is Hong Kong, which has an iffy relationship with China, so I saw it as a subtle (or not so subtle) jab at those in HK wanting more autonomy. As if to say, "you need China, because you need protection from rampaging robot dinosaurs."

Okay, maybe not that exactly, but you get the idea.

I watched the first, almost saw the second, and then I just never really had any drive to go back after that, particularly after Bay said that no matter how much people complained they would still watch his movies. Fuck him for that.

erttheking:
I watched the first, almost saw the second, and then I just never really had any drive to go back after that, particularly after Bay said that no matter how much people complained they would still watch his movies. Fuck him for that.

Well, he's not wrong. If people don't enjoy them they might just aswell not watch them. And if they watch them despite not enjoying them, it's not his problem. If he said he was just gonna phone it in because people are gonna watch the movies anyway, sure, then people would have every right to be angry. But it's not like he's not legitimitely trying to make good movies and putting in a lot of effort.

Lindsay Ellis had a really interesting series of vids about the Transformers movies.

 

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