Uh...where did yesterday go?

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Drathnoxis:

bluegate:
Maybe someone restored a day old database back up? Who cares at this point though?

Well, I wanted to read the rest of that Jar Jar Binks thread and it's completely gone now, so...

It is? I haven't noticed. Oh well, it was a nice topic.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

Marik2:

Gay

Please stop. It is offensive and immature and you know it.

How is it offensive? He isn't insulting anyone in the LGBT community in this proper context.

As an LGBT person who went to Highschool, yeah it is offensive.

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Saelune:
Please stop. It is offensive and immature and you know it.

How is it offensive? He isn't insulting anyone in the LGBT community in this proper context.

As an LGBT person who went to Highschool, yeah it is offensive.

It is not offensive though.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

How is it offensive? He isn't insulting anyone in the LGBT community in this proper context.

As an LGBT person who went to Highschool, yeah it is offensive.

It is not offensive though.

Explain how using the word in a way which is either inherently negative or a derogatory put down isnt offensive?

Quietly placing bets that you dont identify as it, and are going to shrug it off as 'just a thing people say, not a big deal'.

Elijin:

WolvDragon:

Saelune:
As an LGBT person who went to Highschool, yeah it is offensive.

It is not offensive though.

Explain how using the word in a way which is either inherently negative or a derogatory put down isnt offensive?

Quietly placing bets that you dont identify as it, and are going to shrug it off as 'just a thing people say, not a big deal'.

Marik wasn't using it to insult somebody, if he was wouldn't he be modded? Context matters. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
"Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual. The term was originally used to mean "carefree", "cheerful", or "bright and showy"."

If Marik was openly using it to insult someone, then I wouldn't be defending him now.

WolvDragon:

Elijin:

WolvDragon:

It is not offensive though.

Explain how using the word in a way which is either inherently negative or a derogatory put down isnt offensive?

Quietly placing bets that you dont identify as it, and are going to shrug it off as 'just a thing people say, not a big deal'.

Marik wasn't using it to insult somebody, if he was wouldn't he be modded? Context matters. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
"Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual. The term was originally used to mean "carefree", "cheerful", or "bright and showy"."

If Marik was openly using it to insult someone, then I wouldn't be defending him now.

'If he did something wrong, then he would be punished' is not sound logic.

And no, 'If I am defending them, then they did nothing wrong' is also not sound logic.

Here is context for you, an LGBT person is offended by their use of the word but two non LGBT people said it is ok. Who to believe?

The day offended me, so I contacted my buddy Thanos to snap his fingers and make the day disappear.

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Elijin:

Explain how using the word in a way which is either inherently negative or a derogatory put down isnt offensive?

Quietly placing bets that you dont identify as it, and are going to shrug it off as 'just a thing people say, not a big deal'.

Marik wasn't using it to insult somebody, if he was wouldn't he be modded? Context matters. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
"Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual. The term was originally used to mean "carefree", "cheerful", or "bright and showy"."

If Marik was openly using it to insult someone, then I wouldn't be defending him now.

'If he did something wrong, then he would be punished' is not sound logic.

And no, 'If I am defending them, then they did nothing wrong' is also not sound logic.

Here is context for you, an LGBT person is offended by their use of the word but two non LGBT people said it is ok. Who to believe?

People have used the word gay as a non-insult for a long time, is the majority of the population now homophobic for saying it?

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Elijin:

Explain how using the word in a way which is either inherently negative or a derogatory put down isnt offensive?

Quietly placing bets that you dont identify as it, and are going to shrug it off as 'just a thing people say, not a big deal'.

Marik wasn't using it to insult somebody, if he was wouldn't he be modded? Context matters. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
"Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual. The term was originally used to mean "carefree", "cheerful", or "bright and showy"."

If Marik was openly using it to insult someone, then I wouldn't be defending him now.

'If he did something wrong, then he would be punished' is not sound logic.

And no, 'If I am defending them, then they did nothing wrong' is also not sound logic.

Here is context for you, an LGBT person is offended by their use of the word but two non LGBT people said it is ok. Who to believe?

Refer to anything you are disgusted by as "cis white male" from now on. Obviously there's no offence to be found in that, is there? How would anyone have a problem with that?

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Marik wasn't using it to insult somebody, if he was wouldn't he be modded? Context matters. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
"Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual. The term was originally used to mean "carefree", "cheerful", or "bright and showy"."

If Marik was openly using it to insult someone, then I wouldn't be defending him now.

'If he did something wrong, then he would be punished' is not sound logic.

And no, 'If I am defending them, then they did nothing wrong' is also not sound logic.

Here is context for you, an LGBT person is offended by their use of the word but two non LGBT people said it is ok. Who to believe?

People have used the word gay as a non-insult for a long time, is the majority of the population now homophobic for saying it?

Classic moving of goalposts.

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Saelune:
'If he did something wrong, then he would be punished' is not sound logic.

And no, 'If I am defending them, then they did nothing wrong' is also not sound logic.

Here is context for you, an LGBT person is offended by their use of the word but two non LGBT people said it is ok. Who to believe?

People have used the word gay as a non-insult for a long time, is the majority of the population now homophobic for saying it?

Classic moving of goalposts.

And you're deflecting.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

People have used the word gay as a non-insult for a long time, is the majority of the population now homophobic for saying it?

Classic moving of goalposts.

And you're deflecting.

I am not letting you put me on the defensive with your fallacy. Marik was being offensive and you're defending that. And yeah! A ton of people are homophobic for using gay the way they have. Again, I was an LGBT person in highschool. I heard it all the fucking time, because so many people do not care and do not appreciate how offensive it is to use what someone is as an insult. When you do that, you are saying that being gay is an insulting thing to be.

Your Creator:

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Marik wasn't using it to insult somebody, if he was wouldn't he be modded? Context matters. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
"Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual. The term was originally used to mean "carefree", "cheerful", or "bright and showy"."

If Marik was openly using it to insult someone, then I wouldn't be defending him now.

'If he did something wrong, then he would be punished' is not sound logic.

And no, 'If I am defending them, then they did nothing wrong' is also not sound logic.

Here is context for you, an LGBT person is offended by their use of the word but two non LGBT people said it is ok. Who to believe?

Refer to anything you are disgusted by as "cis white male" from now on. Obviously there's no offence to be found in that, is there? How would anyone have a problem with that?

We live in a world where Trump can say sexist things and be praised for it, but a woman calls out one of Trump's women and she is called a horrible sexist by Trump supporters. If anything, I call someone on here a cis white male, I will get banned. :/

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Saelune:
Classic moving of goalposts.

And you're deflecting.

I am not letting you put me on the defensive with your fallacy. Marik was being offensive and you're defending that. And yeah! A ton of people are homophobic for using gay the way they have. Again, I was an LGBT person in highschool. I heard it all the fucking time, because so many people do not care and do not appreciate how offensive it is to use what someone is as an insult. When you do that, you are saying that being gay is an insulting thing to be.

He wasn't insulting anyone with that word.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

And you're deflecting.

I am not letting you put me on the defensive with your fallacy. Marik was being offensive and you're defending that. And yeah! A ton of people are homophobic for using gay the way they have. Again, I was an LGBT person in highschool. I heard it all the fucking time, because so many people do not care and do not appreciate how offensive it is to use what someone is as an insult. When you do that, you are saying that being gay is an insulting thing to be.

He wasn't insulting anyone with that word.

Certainly insulted me.

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Saelune:
I am not letting you put me on the defensive with your fallacy. Marik was being offensive and you're defending that. And yeah! A ton of people are homophobic for using gay the way they have. Again, I was an LGBT person in highschool. I heard it all the fucking time, because so many people do not care and do not appreciate how offensive it is to use what someone is as an insult. When you do that, you are saying that being gay is an insulting thing to be.

He wasn't insulting anyone with that word.

Certainly insulted me.

Was it directed at you? No, and if he was he would be modded and we wouldn't be debating this.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

He wasn't insulting anyone with that word.

Certainly insulted me.

Was it directed at you? No, and if he was he would be modded and we wouldn't be debating this.

I asked nicely for Marik to stop and they instead doubled down.

And again 'They were not punished, must be innocent' is FAULTY LOGIC.

Marik2:

Saelune:

Marik2:

Gay

It is offensive and immature and you know it.

Which is why I keep doing it. I also like to use the word retard a lot.

This is Marik admitting it is offensive.

Saelune:

Marik2:

Saelune:
It is offensive and immature and you know it.

Which is why I keep doing it. I also like to use the word retard a lot.

This is Marik admitting it is offensive.

But in the context that he used it in his posts, he wasn't being offensive.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

Marik2:

Which is why I keep doing it. I also like to use the word retard a lot.

This is Marik admitting it is offensive.

But in the context that he used it in his posts, he wasn't being offensive.

So you don't believe the LGBT person NOR the person you are defending?

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Saelune:
This is Marik admitting it is offensive.

But in the context that he used it in his posts, he wasn't being offensive.

So you don't believe the LGBT person NOR the person you are defending?

I do believe it yes, but again when he said gay he wasn't insulting anyone.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

But in the context that he used it in his posts, he wasn't being offensive.

So you don't believe the LGBT person NOR the person you are defending?

I do believe it yes, but again when he said gay he wasn't insulting anyone.

We are officially at the 'talking in circles' part of the argument.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.1055714-Uh-where-did-yesterday-go?page=2#24254467

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Saelune:
So you don't believe the LGBT person NOR the person you are defending?

I do believe it yes, but again when he said gay he wasn't insulting anyone.

We are officially at the 'talking in circles' part of the argument.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.1055714-Uh-where-did-yesterday-go?page=2#24254467

Indeed, but I take back what I said, since again he never insulted anyone.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

I do believe it yes, but again when he said gay he wasn't insulting anyone.

We are officially at the 'talking in circles' part of the argument.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.1055714-Uh-where-did-yesterday-go?page=2#24254467

Indeed, but I take back what I said, since again he never insulted anyone.

So basically you do not care about how LGBT people feel?

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Saelune:
We are officially at the 'talking in circles' part of the argument.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.1055714-Uh-where-did-yesterday-go?page=2#24254467

Indeed, but I take back what I said, since again he never insulted anyone.

So basically you do not care about how LGBT people feel?

Typo, I mean't to say "I don't take back my argument." Since he never insulted anyone in the first place.

Question.

Who gets to decide if offense should be taken?

ObsidianJones:
Question.

Who gets to decide if offense should be taken?

When both the person who took the action say it's offensive and a person who is impacted by the action says it'ss offensive, clearly the answer is the 3rd party with no stake other than not wanting to be inconvenienced by having to notice the interaction.

Avnger:

ObsidianJones:
Question.

Who gets to decide if offense should be taken?

When both the person who took the action say it's offensive and a person who is impacted by the action says it'ss offensive, clearly the answer is the 3rd party with no stake other than not wanting to be inconvenienced by having to notice the interaction.

Your math checks out.

But I'm serious, though. I remember back in middle school, I was at the house of my mother's co-worker doing homework. Her father was there and was watching me doing my math work. He immigrated here with his family from... Poland or something. I don't think I ever knew for sure, but he still had his accent.

Anyway, when he saw me doing this stuff in my head and how I did it so fast, he was honestly impressed by me. And my mom, who checked my homework after she was done with whatever take home work they needed to do together. And he expressed it.

By saying that he rarely saw a colored kid be so bright, and a colored mother be so involved. And how we were the future of it.

So, as a middle school kid, I knew that my skin color was an issue. My mother was barely concealed fury. And her co-worker was aghast. But I could see on her father's face that he was honestly praising my mother and myself. It just so happened to be in the most backhanded way possible.

I remember gathering up our stuff as soon as possible, her co-worker's father upset that my mom took offense and his daughter apologizing for the situation, and little other than that.

Whenever a situation like this occurs (Gay being said 'not in offense'), I always think back to that night. Even though no offense was meant, how it was said and the meaning behind it was offensive. To my knowledge, I don't think he actually conversed and dealt with many different cultures since moving here, so how does he honestly know what happens in the houses of millions of people other than sound bytes on the news?

Anyway, if someone tell me the magical formula to have everyone get on board with how to suss the "No Offensive/Offensive way of Saying Something", that would be great...

This whole argument is so WolvDragon.

Elijin:
This whole argument is so WolvDragon.

Like you have anything productive to add. Your response is totally Elijin.

ObsidianJones:
Question.

Who gets to decide if offense should be taken?

Saelune decided to be offended at a remark not directed to them. When the word gay has been used in non offensive ways in the past, I even pointed out as such. Some on the left are getting outraged at the most inoffensive things, we're just giving the right more ammo that were a bunch of snowflakes.

Avnger:

ObsidianJones:
Question.

Who gets to decide if offense should be taken?

When both the person who took the action say it's offensive and a person who is impacted by the action says it'ss offensive, clearly the answer is the 3rd party with no stake other than not wanting to be inconvenienced by having to notice the interaction.

You do know the left is painted as a bunch of triggered snowflakes by the right? And not without good reason. A certain portion of our side likes to call people bigots as a deflection or whatever when nothing bigoted was done. I fear when the time actually comes to call out someone who is being bigoted like say Roseanne, then that has lost all meaning And Saelune isn't helping things out.

WolvDragon:

ObsidianJones:
Question.

Who gets to decide if offense should be taken?

Saelune decided to be offended at a remark not directed to them. When the word gay has been used in non offensive ways in the past, I even pointed out as such. Some on the left are getting outraged at the most inoffensive things, we're just giving the right more ammo that were a bunch of snowflakes.

I like how it's been pointed out the person who said it, went on to say they said it because it was offensive. But dont let that get in your way?

The entire concept is that something being 'gay' is a negative thing. It's been 'non-offensive' in the past because people who usually arent gay, have decided that using part of someone's identity as a slang for negativity isnt offensive. Sadly, because society isnt great about things, some have decided it was used enough that hey, no, it's just a joke. This one thing based entirely on the concept that being gay is inherently bad, isnt offensive because we said so!

Elijin:

WolvDragon:

ObsidianJones:
Question.

Who gets to decide if offense should be taken?

Saelune decided to be offended at a remark not directed to them. When the word gay has been used in non offensive ways in the past, I even pointed out as such. Some on the left are getting outraged at the most inoffensive things, we're just giving the right more ammo that were a bunch of snowflakes.

I like how it's been pointed out the person who said it, went on to say they said it because it was offensive. But dont let that get in your way?

The entire concept is that something being 'gay' is a negative thing. It's been 'non-offensive' in the past because people who usually arent gay, have decided that using part of someone's identity as a slang for negativity isnt offensive. Sadly, because society isnt great about things, some have decided it was used enough that hey, no, it's just a joke. This one thing based entirely on the concept that being gay is inherently bad, isnt offensive because we said so!

Well maybe because that word has been used so much in a non offensive way in my experience, I guess it didn't come to me as offensive, even though the word originally wasn't used as a derogatory term for decades.

Still, embarassingly after defending Marik on this thread, I had thought he wasn't being offensive since he wasn't modded, but now that he admits to it.

Take this post as an admission of defeat, but my other point still stands that the left can't be offended by everything we perceive to be offensive.

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Elijin:

Explain how using the word in a way which is either inherently negative or a derogatory put down isnt offensive?

Quietly placing bets that you dont identify as it, and are going to shrug it off as 'just a thing people say, not a big deal'.

Marik wasn't using it to insult somebody, if he was wouldn't he be modded? Context matters. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
"Gay is a term that primarily refers to a homosexual person or the trait of being homosexual. The term was originally used to mean "carefree", "cheerful", or "bright and showy"."

If Marik was openly using it to insult someone, then I wouldn't be defending him now.

'If he did something wrong, then he would be punished' is not sound logic.

And no, 'If I am defending them, then they did nothing wrong' is also not sound logic.

Here is context for you, an LGBT person is offended by their use of the word but two non LGBT people said it is ok. Who to believe?

Hey Saelune, I admit I was wrong about Marik, his admission should've made not defend him. He was clearly being offended.

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