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Copy Clerk
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I once actually entertained going to this movie once. Five seconds later I tried to purge the bad thoughts with an assault rifle. I have actually seen films which are so bad they cause physical pain, but from what I have heard this is THE worst film of all time.

It also highlights the stupidity of ratings organizations.

Gone Gonzo
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The infamous SCAMola:

ColdStorage:

The infamous SCAMola:

KaiRai:
But it was still an immense film in my opinion, especially those 2 new robots (The red and green ones, they were hilarious). I just think they should raise the age on it before the fuckwit PC brigade get hold of it and start the "IS THIS WHAT WERE RAISING OUR CHILDREN TO BE LIKE!?"

The answer is yes. My parents swear 24/7, if you don't like swearing, tough, don't watch a film that contains swearing. Goddamn PC brigade

Yes, goddam that PC brigade! How dare they point out racial stereotypes in films! It's madness, if a person can't laugh at 21st century minstrely, then what can they laugh at?

Seriously though, clean up your grammar and spelling, reading your posts gives me a headache.

its funny how grammar nazi's always make mistakes of their own.

Meh, I'm not a grammar nazi at all, I really was confused by his strange use of punctuation.

Oh, and it's "It's funny", not "its". Hur hur.

Fnar fnar! :D

I know your not a grammar nazi, I was merely making a point, normaly grammar nazis nazi's Narzei? what the fuck is the plural on that mofo? anyway, pedants that accuse others of poor English always trip up with their own arguements. I know this well because, I'm crap.

Press Junketeer
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To clear stuff up, I wasw;t offended, but dear lord, that was a peak of just plain bad humour and extremist jokes, how many cock jokes can a movie give? Why none of them try at least to be clever? Why 2 dogs fucking is apperantly hilarious?

What I really wanted to speak about is the just plain stupidity of the ranking system, how it got past everything despite being so offensive? Does really 13 year olds should hear blatant sex jokes without at least some sort of intelligence in them?

For the guy saying MTV is worse, may god be with you.

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jedstopher:

The Volume:

inu-kun:
Might be minor spoilers. Anyhow, Transformers 2, apart from being one of the worst movies I've ever seen it pg-13. Now let's count what should have made it at least pg-18 (or something like that):
The use of racial streotypes and I don't mean minor ones but ones thatyou'll want to torch the theater from being not funny and inconsiderate.
The use of weed by the pratagonist's parents for a completely irrelevant scene which teaches that "drugs are fun!".
Gore-and I don't mean with the humans. I now usually robots can be chopped and nobody cares, but in this movie they put great detail in the robot's bodies, so they're injured like humans. This leads to a scene when a tiger-something gets torn in half and you can see his spinal cord and spinal juices flowing out for couple of seconds, dear lord, what's the fuck wrong with them?
And finally (and most important)-sex jokes, there a billion of them in these movie, none worth a sigle laugh. Most of them are extremely offensive and disgusting, but apperantly that's okay as long as you don't see a nipple-even if it meens seeing someone's ball sack and ass hicks on the MOTHERFUCKING ENTIRE SCREEN!
What's wrong with the people observing it? I mean, is nudity the only taboo? Does sex is really that unpure so you can show a feline gets cut to half and it would be nothing compared to it?

So basicly you're a giant pussy who doesn't like anything cool.

P.S. Drugs are fun.

This guy got it right.

(also, what's wrong with sex jokes? your mum doesn't mind them.)

Sex with you is a joke.

Gone Gonzo
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I can agree that some stuff should get different rankings, but times have changed a bit. That's what the system deems "acceptable". I was actually thinking about that last night. I was watching "The Incredibles", and was amazed at the end when the antagonist got sucked into a jet turbine. Ok, they didn't show it in extreme detail, but still, It's a G-rated disney flick. If that's acceptable to show kids, a robot sack and a robot spine-rip is ok for 13 year olds I guess.

Press Junketeer
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Seems like someone didn't like the film and decided to take exception to everything on display. Lighten up.

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Hey guess what guys! It was rated G in Quebec! Ha!!!

Gone Gonzo
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I agree with the OP here, its not that this stuff is catagorically bad (though it was) its just that if a ratings system is imposed at least carry it out properly.

Edit: Let me make this bit perfectly clear too - I do not agree with said system, i dont think showing a 13 year old 15+ material will cause their tiny delicate head to explode, i just think since its here it needs to at least be consistent.

Copy Clerk
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It's not racist.
Marijuana was not glorified. Nobody acts like that when they're high, so it was really dissuading people in my opinion.
It's still a robot.
There's sexual innuendos and the like in children movies.

Paperboy
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um, may i point out that about %99.999 of movies made for "family" entertainment are just made for kids who want to see a good movie about explosions and killing shit without being told they can't because of high movie ratings, the first transformers was no exception.

Gone Gonzo
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The Volume:

inu-kun:
Might be minor spoilers. Anyhow, Transformers 2, apart from being one of the worst movies I've ever seen it pg-13. Now let's count what should have made it at least pg-18 (or something like that):
The use of racial streotypes and I don't mean minor ones but ones thatyou'll want to torch the theater from being not funny and inconsiderate.
The use of weed by the pratagonist's parents for a completely irrelevant scene which teaches that "drugs are fun!".
Gore-and I don't mean with the humans. I now usually robots can be chopped and nobody cares, but in this movie they put great detail in the robot's bodies, so they're injured like humans. This leads to a scene when a tiger-something gets torn in half and you can see his spinal cord and spinal juices flowing out for couple of seconds, dear lord, what's the fuck wrong with them?
And finally (and most important)-sex jokes, there a billion of them in these movie, none worth a sigle laugh. Most of them are extremely offensive and disgusting, but apperantly that's okay as long as you don't see a nipple-even if it meens seeing someone's ball sack and ass hicks on the MOTHERFUCKING ENTIRE SCREEN!
What's wrong with the people observing it? I mean, is nudity the only taboo? Does sex is really that unpure so you can show a feline gets cut to half and it would be nothing compared to it?

So basicly you're a giant pussy who doesn't like anything cool.

P.S. Drugs are fun.

You're a loser.

Paperboy
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and also, unless the sex jokes were REALLY vivid and i mean like extremely not even trying to be clever about it vivid then it really doesn't matter

Gone Gonzo
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Nah, I think PG - 13 is okay. I never thought that racial stereotype jokes have been a reason to increase the age limitations. Also about the sex jokes, it's PG - 13, meaning that it's people most likely form age 13 and higher. And since 13 year old kids usually make a sex joke every 5 minute, I don't think it really matters for them if the movie does a few.

About the robot violence I can't comment since I haven't seen the movie.

Gone Gonzo
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OMG!!1!!! A ROBOT LEAKING HYDRAULIC FLUID RUN FOR THE HILLS ZOMG

let me guess, your next complaint is that showing that robot get ripped up leads to animal cruelty

get the fuck over it, the only thing I didn't like was that there were so many freaking kids in the theater screaming and grabassing every time something went boom (that means all the time for 2.5 hours). I yelled at them and told them to sit down and shut the hell up or I was going to beat them with a rubber hose. The parents didn't like my threat but they sat down and shut up.

I thought the movie was good, not great, but good

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jedstopher:

The Volume:

inu-kun:
Might be minor spoilers. Anyhow, Transformers 2, apart from being one of the worst movies I've ever seen it pg-13. Now let's count what should have made it at least pg-18 (or something like that):
The use of racial streotypes and I don't mean minor ones but ones thatyou'll want to torch the theater from being not funny and inconsiderate.
The use of weed by the pratagonist's parents for a completely irrelevant scene which teaches that "drugs are fun!".
Gore-and I don't mean with the humans. I now usually robots can be chopped and nobody cares, but in this movie they put great detail in the robot's bodies, so they're injured like humans. This leads to a scene when a tiger-something gets torn in half and you can see his spinal cord and spinal juices flowing out for couple of seconds, dear lord, what's the fuck wrong with them?
And finally (and most important)-sex jokes, there a billion of them in these movie, none worth a sigle laugh. Most of them are extremely offensive and disgusting, but apperantly that's okay as long as you don't see a nipple-even if it meens seeing someone's ball sack and ass hicks on the MOTHERFUCKING ENTIRE SCREEN!
What's wrong with the people observing it? I mean, is nudity the only taboo? Does sex is really that unpure so you can show a feline gets cut to half and it would be nothing compared to it?

So basicly you're a giant pussy who doesn't like anything cool.

P.S. Drugs are fun.

This guy got it right.

(also, what's wrong with sex jokes? your mum doesn't mind them.)

That big red button under your name minds them.

Gone Gonzo
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Lord Of Cyberia:
I once actually entertained going to this movie once. Five seconds later I tried to purge the bad thoughts with an assault rifle. I have actually seen films which are so bad they cause physical pain, but from what I have heard this is THE worst film of all time.

It also highlights the stupidity of ratings organizations.

Who did you hear that from? I went to rottentomatoes.com and they gave "Indiana Jones: The Kingdom of the Cristal Skull: a 74% positive rating, that movie made me die inside.

This movie may not be great but it is FAR from the worst film of all time.

Gone Gonzo
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JWAN:
OMG!!1!!! A ROBOT LEAKING HYDRAULIC FLUID RUN FOR THE HILLS ZOMG

let me guess, your next complaint is that showing that robot get ripped up leads to animal cruelty

get the fuck over it, the only thing I didn't like was that there were so many freaking kids in the theater screaming and grabassing every time something went boom (that means all the time for 2.5 hours). I yelled at them and told them to sit down and shut the hell up or I was going to beat them with a rubber hose. The parents didn't like my threat but they sat down and shut up.

I thought the movie was good, not great, but good

I wish you were in the same theater as me, because every single person was clapping at every damn action scene or joke.

Gone Gonzo
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cainx10a:

JWAN:
OMG!!1!!! A ROBOT LEAKING HYDRAULIC FLUID RUN FOR THE HILLS ZOMG

let me guess, your next complaint is that showing that robot get ripped up leads to animal cruelty

get the fuck over it, the only thing I didn't like was that there were so many freaking kids in the theater screaming and grabassing every time something went boom (that means all the time for 2.5 hours). I yelled at them and told them to sit down and shut the hell up or I was going to beat them with a rubber hose. The parents didn't like my threat but they sat down and shut up.

I thought the movie was good, not great, but good

I wish you were in the same theater as me, because every single person was clapping at every damn action scene or joke.

Threats of physical violence usually work when you have a mob behind you of people who paid $10.00 for some air-conditioned fun. I regret I didnt see it on the IMAX.
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I would like to address the people who bitched about this movie because they claim it was all about robots blowing each other up. I don't remember the commercials promising anything more than what they truly could cover. The action scenes had action, the babe forgot pants, and the mother ate weed brownies.

What were you expecting from a movie about gigantic robots blowing shit up? It delivered on all of its points.

Gone Gonzo
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The Volume:

Kiutu:

The Volume:

inu-kun:
Might be minor spoilers. Anyhow, Transformers 2, apart from being one of the worst movies I've ever seen it pg-13. Now let's count what should have made it at least pg-18 (or something like that):
The use of racial streotypes and I don't mean minor ones but ones thatyou'll want to torch the theater from being not funny and inconsiderate.
The use of weed by the pratagonist's parents for a completely irrelevant scene which teaches that "drugs are fun!".
Gore-and I don't mean with the humans. I now usually robots can be chopped and nobody cares, but in this movie they put great detail in the robot's bodies, so they're injured like humans. This leads to a scene when a tiger-something gets torn in half and you can see his spinal cord and spinal juices flowing out for couple of seconds, dear lord, what's the fuck wrong with them?
And finally (and most important)-sex jokes, there a billion of them in these movie, none worth a sigle laugh. Most of them are extremely offensive and disgusting, but apperantly that's okay as long as you don't see a nipple-even if it meens seeing someone's ball sack and ass hicks on the MOTHERFUCKING ENTIRE SCREEN!
What's wrong with the people observing it? I mean, is nudity the only taboo? Does sex is really that unpure so you can show a feline gets cut to half and it would be nothing compared to it?

So basicly you're a giant pussy who doesn't like anything cool.

P.S. Drugs are fun.

You're a loser.

You goddamn cunt. If I ever see you in public I'm going to run barbed wire between your legs like it's a towel until your genital region is nothing more than a bloody mash of lady-parts.

I'm sorry. I said that to my mom last night and I thought it seemed appropriate to say it here.

Well it is not. My comment still very much stands.

Gone Gonzo
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Yeah, that OP sounds like a PG-13 movie to me. Unless you don't think the average thirteen-year-old with parental accompaniment is capable of handling scenes in which people smoke marijuana.

Paperboy
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I remember Bad Boys 2 coming out when I was working at a movie theater. They made jokes out of Martin Lawrence getting shot in the ass and then being unable to achieve an erection, a corpse in a morgue that had really large breasts, a man shooting another man in the head and explaining it away to his mother, implications that Martin Lawrence and Will Smith were gay, Martin Lawrence getting high on ecstacy, and dead bodies falling out a moving truck and people running over them with their heads flying.

Michael Bay has always had an incredibly shitty, mean-spirited sense of humor. All this stuff in Transformers doesn't surprise me. Doesn't make me any less mad though.

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Kiutu:

The Volume:

Kiutu:

The Volume:

inu-kun:
Might be minor spoilers. Anyhow, Transformers 2, apart from being one of the worst movies I've ever seen it pg-13. Now let's count what should have made it at least pg-18 (or something like that):
The use of racial streotypes and I don't mean minor ones but ones thatyou'll want to torch the theater from being not funny and inconsiderate.
The use of weed by the pratagonist's parents for a completely irrelevant scene which teaches that "drugs are fun!".
Gore-and I don't mean with the humans. I now usually robots can be chopped and nobody cares, but in this movie they put great detail in the robot's bodies, so they're injured like humans. This leads to a scene when a tiger-something gets torn in half and you can see his spinal cord and spinal juices flowing out for couple of seconds, dear lord, what's the fuck wrong with them?
And finally (and most important)-sex jokes, there a billion of them in these movie, none worth a sigle laugh. Most of them are extremely offensive and disgusting, but apperantly that's okay as long as you don't see a nipple-even if it meens seeing someone's ball sack and ass hicks on the MOTHERFUCKING ENTIRE SCREEN!
What's wrong with the people observing it? I mean, is nudity the only taboo? Does sex is really that unpure so you can show a feline gets cut to half and it would be nothing compared to it?

So basicly you're a giant pussy who doesn't like anything cool.

P.S. Drugs are fun.

You're a loser.

You goddamn cunt. If I ever see you in public I'm going to run barbed wire between your legs like it's a towel until your genital region is nothing more than a bloody mash of lady-parts.

I'm sorry. I said that to my mom last night and I thought it seemed appropriate to say it here.

Well it is not. My comment still very much stands.

The good news is: you're going to die someday. The bad news is: you'll be a worthless cunt until that day comes.

Gone Gonzo
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JWAN:
I would like to address the people who bitched about this movie because they claim it was all about robots blowing each other up. I don't remember the commercials promising anything more than what they truly could cover. The action scenes had action, the babe forgot pants, and the mother ate weed brownies.

What were you expecting from a movie about gigantic robots blowing shit up? It delivered on all of its points.

Thank you. I wasn't aware that Transformers was supposed to be written by Shakespeare, but you reminded me that it's ok to see robots making shit go boom.

Pulitzer Laureate
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Streetfighter:

inu-kun:
Might be minor spoilers. Anyhow, Transformers 2, apart from being one of the worst movies I've ever seen it pg-13. Now let's count what should have made it at least pg-18 (or something like that):
The use of racial streotypes and I don't mean minor ones but ones thatyou'll want to torch the theater from being not funny and inconsiderate.
The use of weed by the pratagonist's parents for a completely irrelevant scene which teaches that "drugs are fun!".
Gore-and I don't mean with the humans. I now usually robots can be chopped and nobody cares, but in this movie they put great detail in the robot's bodies, so they're injured like humans. This leads to a scene when a tiger-something gets torn in half and you can see his spinal cord and spinal juices flowing out for couple of seconds, dear lord, what's the fuck wrong with them?
And finally (and most important)-sex jokes, there a billion of them in these movie, none worth a sigle laugh. Most of them are extremely offensive and disgusting, but apperantly that's okay as long as you don't see a nipple-even if it meens seeing someone's ball sack and ass hicks on the MOTHERFUCKING ENTIRE SCREEN!
What's wrong with the people observing it? I mean, is nudity the only taboo? Does sex is really that unpure so you can show a feline gets cut to half and it would be nothing compared to it?

Whoa, whoa whoa whoa.
If the stuff in Transformers 2 offends you, you need a thicker skin. Bay's just taken the acceptable comedy of mainstream American media and put it in between giant robot-fights. You'd see worse stuff on MTV. And it's true, the robots get bits ripped off them. But if giant robots fighting frightens you, what the hell are you doing on a VIDEOGAME website?

I agree. I have seen way worse things than giant robots being blown in half.

Gone Gonzo
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The Volume:

Kiutu:

The Volume:

Kiutu:

The Volume:

inu-kun:
Might be minor spoilers. Anyhow, Transformers 2, apart from being one of the worst movies I've ever seen it pg-13. Now let's count what should have made it at least pg-18 (or something like that):
The use of racial streotypes and I don't mean minor ones but ones thatyou'll want to torch the theater from being not funny and inconsiderate.
The use of weed by the pratagonist's parents for a completely irrelevant scene which teaches that "drugs are fun!".
Gore-and I don't mean with the humans. I now usually robots can be chopped and nobody cares, but in this movie they put great detail in the robot's bodies, so they're injured like humans. This leads to a scene when a tiger-something gets torn in half and you can see his spinal cord and spinal juices flowing out for couple of seconds, dear lord, what's the fuck wrong with them?
And finally (and most important)-sex jokes, there a billion of them in these movie, none worth a sigle laugh. Most of them are extremely offensive and disgusting, but apperantly that's okay as long as you don't see a nipple-even if it meens seeing someone's ball sack and ass hicks on the MOTHERFUCKING ENTIRE SCREEN!
What's wrong with the people observing it? I mean, is nudity the only taboo? Does sex is really that unpure so you can show a feline gets cut to half and it would be nothing compared to it?

So basicly you're a giant pussy who doesn't like anything cool.

P.S. Drugs are fun.

You're a loser.

You goddamn cunt. If I ever see you in public I'm going to run barbed wire between your legs like it's a towel until your genital region is nothing more than a bloody mash of lady-parts.

I'm sorry. I said that to my mom last night and I thought it seemed appropriate to say it here.

Well it is not. My comment still very much stands.

The good news is: you're going to die someday. The bad news is: you'll be a worthless cunt until that day comes.

You cannot offend or hurt me, as you are nothing more than pathetic. Now I am merely amused by you and your silly words.

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Kiutu:

The Volume:

Kiutu:

The Volume:

Kiutu:

The Volume:

inu-kun:
Might be minor spoilers. Anyhow, Transformers 2, apart from being one of the worst movies I've ever seen it pg-13. Now let's count what should have made it at least pg-18 (or something like that):
The use of racial streotypes and I don't mean minor ones but ones thatyou'll want to torch the theater from being not funny and inconsiderate.
The use of weed by the pratagonist's parents for a completely irrelevant scene which teaches that "drugs are fun!".
Gore-and I don't mean with the humans. I now usually robots can be chopped and nobody cares, but in this movie they put great detail in the robot's bodies, so they're injured like humans. This leads to a scene when a tiger-something gets torn in half and you can see his spinal cord and spinal juices flowing out for couple of seconds, dear lord, what's the fuck wrong with them?
And finally (and most important)-sex jokes, there a billion of them in these movie, none worth a sigle laugh. Most of them are extremely offensive and disgusting, but apperantly that's okay as long as you don't see a nipple-even if it meens seeing someone's ball sack and ass hicks on the MOTHERFUCKING ENTIRE SCREEN!
What's wrong with the people observing it? I mean, is nudity the only taboo? Does sex is really that unpure so you can show a feline gets cut to half and it would be nothing compared to it?

So basicly you're a giant pussy who doesn't like anything cool.

P.S. Drugs are fun.

You're a loser.

You goddamn cunt. If I ever see you in public I'm going to run barbed wire between your legs like it's a towel until your genital region is nothing more than a bloody mash of lady-parts.

I'm sorry. I said that to my mom last night and I thought it seemed appropriate to say it here.

Well it is not. My comment still very much stands.

The good news is: you're going to die someday. The bad news is: you'll be a worthless cunt until that day comes.

You cannot offend or hurt me, as you are nothing more than pathetic. Now I am merely amused by you and your silly words.

Isn't that cute? The retarded monkey fetus wrote us some hate mail.

Gone Gonzo
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tsb247:

PurpleRain:
So I guess you didn't like the movie... or more so you didn't like the script and directing.

I don't really agree with you on any of these points. It's the fanatic types such as yourself that are quick to jump on these things with blind hate, like Twilight.

Twilight runied vampires... There's no blind hater there. Instead there is calculated malice with a side of disgust.

*Back on topic*

I have yet to see the new Transformers movie, but I have heard a lot of different ideas about it (most have been negative). I'm beginning to get the impression that it is not worth seeing.

If you liked the first, just go see it. Don't listen to the people who tell you not to because, as we know, opinions differ.

Anyway, on topic, I liked the film. Sure, I noticed the massive ramp up of sex references and and stuff but who really gives a shit? It's no different to most stand-up comedian material. As for your thing about robotic gore that's just plain silly; "Gore" by definition is bloodshed, and you can't get that with robots. If you don't want to see violence, don't go to see a film about giant robots who are in a war with each other, moron.

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inu-kun:
What I really wanted to speak about is the just plain stupidity of the ranking system, how it got past everything despite being so offensive? Does really 13 year olds should hear blatant sex jokes without at least some sort of intelligence in them?

Yes, 13 year olds does really should hear blatant sex jokes...Idiot.

If you're so worried about it, stop watching the damn movies and shut up. Leave it for the parents of the 13 year olds to decide.

Gone Gonzo
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I liked the film. Get down off your high horse and for the love of GOD dont read up on WW2...your mind wouldnt be able too cope.

Im agree that it was quite strong on the language front, but instead of complaining too the internet where everyone doesnt care, complain too the board that deals with Movie Age-Ratings.

Gone Gonzo
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No.

Seriously, just no.

Harry Potter has more gore than this film, racial stereotypes don't fall into age ratings and sex jokes with no swearing is 12 rating.

Just because YOU think it, doesn't mean anyone else will. And on another note, the Transformer films aren't bad films unless your a fan on the cartoons. Or in other words, if your around 20+.

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Sparrow Tag:
And on another note, the Transformer films aren't bad films unless your a fan on the cartoons. Or in other words, if your around 20+.

So about 70% of the population then?
(And it's "you're" for "you are")

Gone Gonzo
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The_root_of_all_evil:

Sparrow Tag:
And on another note, the Transformer films aren't bad films unless your a fan on the cartoons. Or in other words, if your around 20+.

So about 70% of the population then?
(And it's "you're" for "you are")

Oh christ. A mod told me to use proper grammar. Now I just look like a complete idiot.

And on the post, yeah. I was generalising a bit there. I suppose I should have elaborated on the fact that you have to be 20+ and a fan of the cartoons.

Gone Gonzo
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I'm sorry OP, but any point you were trying to make is overridden by your God-fucking-awful grammar.

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