An interesting letter in the Australian Shooter Magazine this week, which I quote: "If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.
The firearm death rate in Washington, DC is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. That means you are about 25 per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US, than you are in Iraq.
Conclusion: The US should pull out of Washington."
Question: Should America just concentrate on there own problems and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
I don't if I can answer that question, I might be added to the Governments de-population list. Anyway yes, yes I do think America should fix all the problems in their own country before telling other countries they know what's best.
But what about Team America then? They'd be out of a job!
Erm OT - I'm not really sure why this whole "world police" mentality has really taken hold of the USA for so long. Yes we've actually made a difference for the better in a couple instances, but you'd think we'd learn to keep our noses out of it for once and let everyone else deal with their own crap. *shrug* as was said, we need to take care of ourselves first, otherwise how can we help anyone else. (using the term help very, very loosely)
Rev Erebus: Conclusion: The US should pull out of Washington."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Still, this is why I'm irritated at the news when they complain about the amount of casualties in the middle east. They're tiny. Try the Somme, pricks.
Wow, another America Hate thread, god damn can we stop this, seriously. Sure America has a lot of douchbags, but what country fucking doesn't? It's not America that invaded Iraq, it was Bush and his administration. Thats not America, America is 1941. And the incident such as vietnam, as I recall France put our asses into that mess. (Or so I very informed friend told me, but he usually isn't wrong about things like this)
Sigh... I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this post that is simply trying to stop the hate.
Question: Should America just concentrate on there own problems and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
I thought the general consensus was that America were trying to be a World Police, and people absolutely hate them as a result. Nothing wrong with being nice, but trying to make the whole world conform to your sense of righteousness is just going to win you enemies.
Still, it's difficult as to what to do about Iraq itself. I've no idea about the effect of them pulling out at this point, as both continuing to meddle and hit-and-run will both lower most people's view of America.
Rock - America - Hard place
GodsOneMistake: Wow, another America Hate thread, god damn can we stop this, seriously. Sure America has a lot of douchbags, but what country fucking doesn't? It's not America that invaded Iraq, it was Bush and his administration. Thats not America, America is 1941. And the incident such as vietnam, as I recall France put our asses into that mess. (Or so I very informed friend told me, but he usually isn't wrong about things like this)
Sigh... I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this post that is simply trying to stop the hate.
When people refer to the government of a country, they often refer to the country themselves. Also, the American public supported going to Iraq for the most part, voted him back in once the war started, and voted him in the first place.
Yes, Mr. Bush used the paranoia that came about as a result of 9/11 to somehow make everyone believe that Iraq had attacked America, rather than Al-Qaeda, but you can't deny that most of America supported the idea; even if it was on false information and manipulation it was still supported.
I've nothing against America, and this mistake isn't as a result of the entire populous, but if you arguement is that we should blame the big-bad-leaders, then where's the democracy in that? The reason people dislike America is that it tries to maintain a sense of 'justice' on a global scale and it just isn't possible, so a lot of the time they try the easiest method of aggression and intimidation. This is why people dislike America, although there was a dickhead in the presidency, he wasn't quashing and repressing the nation and making them follow blindly. It was supported.
I just hope Obama can help heal some of the damage and make America a more respected country again, rather than the general view of it being a big bully of a nation.
GodsOneMistake: Wow, another America Hate thread, god damn can we stop this, seriously. Sure America has a lot of douchbags, but what country fucking doesn't? It's not America that invaded Iraq, it was Bush and his administration. Thats not America, America is 1941. And the incident such as vietnam, as I recall France put our asses into that mess. (Or so I very informed friend told me, but he usually isn't wrong about things like this)
Sigh... I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this post that is simply trying to stop the hate.
Hrm... I didn't exactly take this as an "America Hate" thread. I took it more of a thread of sheer irony. One that's honestly quite true. Being an American myself, I understand that yes, it was the Bush administration and such, but at the same time the world mainly looks at a country by its leaders and what they do, correct? I mean, especially in a Democratric Republic like the USA is, where we in essence put said individual in power to begin with. Yes, I get your point and your frustration, but there's no denying the truth of it. We do need to concentrate on ourselves. Not only for our own sake, but how can we even be remotely taken seriously with so much crap sitting on our own doorstep?
America needed to be world police after WW2, before then they had a strict policy of isolationism, but with two world wars and millions dead somebody had to step up and try bring things to order, and they did. But today people are sick of that kind of attitude, but answer this question, If America wasn't so involved in world politics would the world be better? Personally I don't think so, they're keeping china and North Korea on their toes, hey have Al Qaeda in hiding, they are a force to be reckoned with which is why despot nations are far more cautious than before. America may be seen as a big imperialistic power house bit they keep the world in check, that's a good thing. Of course I'm not denying all the bad shit either.
GodsOneMistake: Wow, another America Hate thread, god damn can we stop this, seriously. Sure America has a lot of douchbags, but what country fucking doesn't? It's not America that invaded Iraq, it was Bush and his administration. Thats not America, America is 1941. And the incident such as vietnam, as I recall France put our asses into that mess. (Or so I very informed friend told me, but he usually isn't wrong about things like this)
Sigh... I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this post that is simply trying to stop the hate.
When people refer to the government of a country, they often refer to the country themselves. Also, the American public supported going to Iraq for the most part, voted him back in once the war started, and voted him in the first place.
I've nothing against America, and this mistake isn't as a result of the entire populous, but if you arguement is that we should blame the big-bad-leaders, then where's the democracy in that?
Sure, good point, but Bush was told time and time again before he invaded Iraq that it was the wrong place to go. But this information just went through one ear and out the other. They were able to 'trick' the American public into supporting the war, because they didn't know who the real enemy was. . And thats from a with holding of information from the general public. And on the revoting thing, something screwy was going on because Kerry won the popular vote, we didn't actually vote bush back in. With all of lies and ignorance, it's hard to blame the public for the actions of Bush, and the actual president Dick Cheney who was pulling all the string.
fudgebo: America needed to be world police after WW2, before then they had a strict policy of isolationism, but with two world wars and millions dead somebody had to step up and try bring things to order, and they did. But today people are sick of that kind of attitude, but answer this question, If America wasn't so involved in world politics would the world be better? Personally I don't think so, they're keeping china and North Korea on their toes, hey have Al Qaeda in hiding, they are a force to be reckoned with which is why despot nations are far more cautious than before. America may be seen as a big imperialistic power house bit they keep the world in check, that's a good thing. Of course I'm not denying all the bad shit either.
They had to step up and grow a pair and assist The Allies. America is the biggest bullseye in the world now, though. Thanks to their "democratic" solutions.
fudgebo: America needed to be world police after WW2, before then they had a strict policy of isolationism, but with two world wars and millions dead somebody had to step up and try bring things to order, and they did. But today people are sick of that kind of attitude, but answer this question, If America wasn't so involved in world politics would the world be better? Personally I don't think so, they're keeping china and North Korea on their toes, hey have Al Qaeda in hiding, they are a force to be reckoned with which is why despot nations are far more cautious than before. America may be seen as a big imperialistic power house bit they keep the world in check, that's a good thing. Of course I'm not denying all the bad shit either.
They had to step up and grow a pair and assist The Allies. America is the biggest bullseye in the world now, though. Thanks to their "democratic" solutions.
Dont you mean their "fascist solutions in the disguise of democratic" solutions.
fudgebo: America needed to be world police after WW2, before then they had a strict policy of isolationism, but with two world wars and millions dead somebody had to step up and try bring things to order, and they did. But today people are sick of that kind of attitude, but answer this question, If America wasn't so involved in world politics would the world be better? Personally I don't think so, they're keeping china and North Korea on their toes, hey have Al Qaeda in hiding, they are a force to be reckoned with which is why despot nations are far more cautious than before. America may be seen as a big imperialistic power house bit they keep the world in check, that's a good thing. Of course I'm not denying all the bad shit either.
They had to step up and grow a pair and assist The Allies. America is the biggest bullseye in the world now, though. Thanks to their "democratic" solutions.
Dont you mean their "fascist solutions in the disguise of democratic" solutions.
Dude, America loves freedom and democracy. They love it so much that they want to be the only ones to have it, and that's why they also love foreign dictators (as long as they're not communist).
fudgebo: America needed to be world police after WW2, before then they had a strict policy of isolationism, but with two world wars and millions dead somebody had to step up and try bring things to order, and they did. But today people are sick of that kind of attitude, but answer this question, If America wasn't so involved in world politics would the world be better? Personally I don't think so, they're keeping china and North Korea on their toes, hey have Al Qaeda in hiding, they are a force to be reckoned with which is why despot nations are far more cautious than before. America may be seen as a big imperialistic power house bit they keep the world in check, that's a good thing. Of course I'm not denying all the bad shit either.
They had to step up and grow a pair and assist The Allies. America is the biggest bullseye in the world now, though. Thanks to their "democratic" solutions.
Dont you mean their "fascist solutions in the disguise of democratic" solutions.
Dude, America loves freedom and democracy. They love it so much that they want to be the only ones to have it, and that's why they also love foreign dictators (as long as they're not communist).
fudgebo: America needed to be world police after WW2, before then they had a strict policy of isolationism, but with two world wars and millions dead somebody had to step up and try bring things to order, and they did. But today people are sick of that kind of attitude, but answer this question, If America wasn't so involved in world politics would the world be better? Personally I don't think so, they're keeping china and North Korea on their toes, hey have Al Qaeda in hiding, they are a force to be reckoned with which is why despot nations are far more cautious than before. America may be seen as a big imperialistic power house bit they keep the world in check, that's a good thing. Of course I'm not denying all the bad shit either.
They had to step up and grow a pair and assist The Allies. America is the biggest bullseye in the world now, though. Thanks to their "democratic" solutions.
Dont you mean their "fascist solutions in the disguise of democratic" solutions.
Fascist is harsh, do you honestly believe the world would be better without American intervention? There would be a huge power vacuum, and America has always been a target, their massive industrial strength has always been envied by world powers and feared. The Terrorist threat is just one in a very long line of threats.
fudgebo: America needed to be world police after WW2, before then they had a strict policy of isolationism, but with two world wars and millions dead somebody had to step up and try bring things to order, and they did. But today people are sick of that kind of attitude, but answer this question, If America wasn't so involved in world politics would the world be better? Personally I don't think so, they're keeping china and North Korea on their toes, hey have Al Qaeda in hiding, they are a force to be reckoned with which is why despot nations are far more cautious than before. America may be seen as a big imperialistic power house bit they keep the world in check, that's a good thing. Of course I'm not denying all the bad shit either.
They had to step up and grow a pair and assist The Allies. America is the biggest bullseye in the world now, though. Thanks to their "democratic" solutions.
Dont you mean their "fascist solutions in the disguise of democratic" solutions.
Fascist is harsh, do you honestly believe the world would be better without American intervention? There would be a huge power vacuum, and America has always been a target, their massive industrial strength has always been envied by world powers and feared. The Terrorist threat is just one in a very long line of threats.
Fascist is too lite, there massive industrial strength is built on slavery,fear and war. The threat's were all brought on themselves and rightly deserved.
Every major power built its strength on slavery fear and war, don't condemn one nation and forget the others, America is a very young state, and has done nothing out of the ordinary with regards to state power and history, except spending 600 billion on defence dwarfing all combined defence budgets of franc Britain Germany Russia and china, 3:1.
fudgebo: America needed to be world police after WW2, before then they had a strict policy of isolationism, but with two world wars and millions dead somebody had to step up and try bring things to order, and they did. But today people are sick of that kind of attitude, but answer this question, If America wasn't so involved in world politics would the world be better? Personally I don't think so, they're keeping china and North Korea on their toes, hey have Al Qaeda in hiding, they are a force to be reckoned with which is why despot nations are far more cautious than before. America may be seen as a big imperialistic power house bit they keep the world in check, that's a good thing. Of course I'm not denying all the bad shit either.
They had to step up and grow a pair and assist The Allies. America is the biggest bullseye in the world now, though. Thanks to their "democratic" solutions.
Dont you mean their "fascist solutions in the disguise of democratic" solutions.
Dude, America loves freedom and democracy. They love it so much that they want to be the only ones to have it, and that's why they also love foreign dictators (as long as they're not communist).
Rev Erebus: An interesting letter in the Australian Shooter Magazine this week, which I quote: "If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.
The firearm death rate in Washington, DC is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. That means you are about 25 per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US, than you are in Iraq.
Conclusion: The US should pull out of Washington."
Question: Should America just concentrate on there own problems and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
YES, we need to help ourselves befor we can help the rest of the world.
'Yeah man stupid yankees shouldnt have gotten involved with that whole Hitler fiasco either, that was bad karma all that war for nothing.
I mean its not like the Iraqis were a war like people hey that Saddam guy he didnt even try to wipe out any ethnic minorities or nothing. Were only there for oil & such. Impeach the Prez woohoo gimme another hit of that bong.'
GodsOneMistake: Wow, another America Hate thread, god damn can we stop this, seriously. Sure America has a lot of douchbags, but what country fucking doesn't?
WHY YOU FU-
I kid, I've come to break the hate chain. You're right, it's not as if America is Earth's housing for every idiot on the planet. We're all human. Sure, culturally different and all that, but we're still the same stupid, panicky, easily influenced, careless, selfish creatures. And it's exactly that reason that countries help each other. This whole idea of 'self-help' that the OP is trying to suggest is a tried, tested and failed idea.
Ugh, Saddam's problem wasn't that he was a dictator, it's that he got in the U.S's and Saudi Arabia's way by invading Kuwait and provoking the ire of Bush Sr, which in exchange gave him a sort of feud with all the Bushes, hence why America is in Iraq now. If Saddam had kept doing his business and kill people in his own country, he would still be in power right now.
Considering in the grand scheme of things that America hasn't really made a positive impact on the world since WW2, and even then they had to be provoked to help, I think that they should indeed focus on their own problems instead of telling everyone else how to go about their business.
GodsOneMistake: Wow, another America Hate thread, god damn can we stop this, seriously. Sure America has a lot of douchbags, but what country fucking doesn't? It's not America that invaded Iraq, it was Bush and his administration. Thats not America, America is 1941. And the incident such as vietnam, as I recall France put our asses into that mess. (Or so I very informed friend told me, but he usually isn't wrong about things like this)
Sigh... I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this post that is simply trying to stop the hate.
Bush and his administration were elected by the American people. You, the people are just as responsible as him for Iraq. Its the same in the UK I think that America's role as the worlds peacekeepers (police isnt the right word if you ask me. Police implies a legitimate force set up by that country, not America going and invading somewhare and calling it a police action) is important. But dont forget that we help too. And we have been doing it far longer and more effectively. And what do you mean the French brought you into vietnam? you refused to support them in the 50s'. Then, when they started to take a direction america didnt like, they got themselves involved in a war they couldnt win.
fudgebo: America needed to be world police after WW2, before then they had a strict policy of isolationism, but with two world wars and millions dead somebody had to step up and try bring things to order, and they did. But today people are sick of that kind of attitude, but answer this question, If America wasn't so involved in world politics would the world be better? Personally I don't think so, they're keeping china and North Korea on their toes, hey have Al Qaeda in hiding, they are a force to be reckoned with which is why despot nations are far more cautious than before. America may be seen as a big imperialistic power house bit they keep the world in check, that's a good thing. Of course I'm not denying all the bad shit either.
They had to step up and grow a pair and assist The Allies. America is the biggest bullseye in the world now, though. Thanks to their "democratic" solutions.
Dont you mean their "fascist solutions in the disguise of democratic" solutions.
Dude, America loves freedom and democracy. They love it so much that they want to be the only ones to have it, and that's why they also love foreign dictators (as long as they're not communist).
Tell that to Saddam Hussein
Saddam Hussein was a U.S.A. backed dictator, unfortunately for him, he decided to attack Kuwait, TWICE, and the U.S. decided that oil was more important than supporting the people they installed into foreign governments.
Question: Should America just concentrate on there own problems and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
I thought the general consensus was that America were trying to be a World Police, and people absolutely hate them as a result. Nothing wrong with being nice, but trying to make the whole world conform to your sense of righteousness is just going to win you enemies.
THIS. A thousand times over.
Still, it's difficult as to what to do about Iraq itself. I've no idea about the effect of them pulling out at this point, as both continuing to meddle and hit-and-run will both lower most people's view of America.
Rock - America - Hard place
GodsOneMistake: Wow, another America Hate thread, god damn can we stop this, seriously. Sure America has a lot of douchbags, but what country fucking doesn't? It's not America that invaded Iraq, it was Bush and his administration. Thats not America, America is 1941. And the incident such as vietnam, as I recall France put our asses into that mess. (Or so I very informed friend told me, but he usually isn't wrong about things like this)
Sigh... I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this post that is simply trying to stop the hate.
When people refer to the government of a country, they often refer to the country themselves. Also, the American public supported going to Iraq for the most part, voted him back in once the war started, and voted him in the first place.
Lol, technically they didn't :P Isn't cheating just hilarious?
Yes, Mr. Bush used the paranoia that came about as a result of 9/11 to somehow make everyone believe that Iraq had attacked America, rather than Al-Qaeda, but you can't deny that most of America supported the idea; even if it was on false information and manipulation it was still supported.
I've nothing against America, and this mistake isn't as a result of the entire populous, but if you arguement is that we should blame the big-bad-leaders, then where's the democracy in that? The reason people dislike America is that it tries to maintain a sense of 'justice' on a global scale
and that the only time we hear about them is when they act like self-righteous cockweeds (see 'religious right')
and it just isn't possible, so a lot of the time they try the easiest method of aggression and intimidation. This is why people dislike America, although there was a dickhead in the presidency, he wasn't quashing and repressing the nation and making them follow blindly. It was supported.
I just hope Obama can help heal some of the damage and make America a more respected country again, rather than the general view of it being a big bully of a nation.
Obama has increased America's popularity, at least where I live, by tenfold; then again, 10 x 0 is still 0.
Ugh, Saddam's problem wasn't that he was a dictator, it's that he got in the U.S's and Saudi Arabia's way by invading Kuwait and provoking the ire of Bush Sr, which in exchange gave him a sort of feud with all the Bushes, hence why America is in Iraq now. If Saddam had kept doing his business and kill people in his own country, he would still be in power right now.
The first Iraq war was not a trigger for the second, the first was just a corrupt little war with no point, and the second had completely different causes.
The Maddest March Hare: Considering in the grand scheme of things that America hasn't really made a positive impact on the world since WW2, and even then they had to be provoked to help, I think that they should indeed focus on their own problems instead of telling everyone else how to go about their business.
The south koreans would beg to differ,and what about the millions who benifitted from humanitarian aid? Nuclear disarmament, aids research, recently opening talks with the middle east?
Ugh, Saddam's problem wasn't that he was a dictator, it's that he got in the U.S's and Saudi Arabia's way by invading Kuwait and provoking the ire of Bush Sr, which in exchange gave him a sort of feud with all the Bushes, hence why America is in Iraq now. If Saddam had kept doing his business and kill people in his own country, he would still be in power right now.
The first Iraq war was not a trigger for the second, the first was just a corrupt little war with no point, and the second had completely different causes.
The second one was also just a corrupt little war with no point. Bush lied about the whole protecting terrorists and keeping weapons of mass destruction, and when he provided no evidence to support his claims and everybody finally called him out on it, he just completely shifted gear and said it was "To bring peace and democracy to the people of Iraq."
And why did he do all this? To get Saddam because daddy couldn't.
The Maddest March Hare: Considering in the grand scheme of things that America hasn't really made a positive impact on the world since WW2, and even then they had to be provoked to help, I think that they should indeed focus on their own problems instead of telling everyone else how to go about their business.
The south koreans would beg to differ,and what about the millions who benifitted from humanitarian aid? Nuclear disarmament, aids research, recently opening talks with the middle east?
That may just about break even after the failure that was the entirety of Vietnam and a war based on falsified information.
An interesting letter in the Australian Shooter Magazine this week, which I quote: "If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.
The firearm death rate in Washington, DC is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. That means you are about 25 per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US, than you are in Iraq.
Conclusion: The US should pull out of Washington."
Question: Should America just concentrate on there own problems and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.