If you've known violence all your life you don't know how to act in a place were you don't need violence to get what you want.
This is quite the assumption.
The immigrants come over and despite the fact that there legal are afraid to go to the police because back in there country the police were the bad guys so they never report anything that happense in there neighborhoods. When gangs realize they can get away with certain things in certain negiborhoods they don't stop and then rival gangs popup and it gets worse.
So you're blaming the immigrants for the actions of the pre-existing gangs? That hardly seems fair, why not deport the gangs?
I also said that it wasn't just immigrants causing the entire problem they are about 1/6 of the population in an area of high violence and its not like they are the constant victims.
So if they're only causing the minority of the problem, why bother wasting millions of dollars exporting them, and losing large amounts of cheap labour, when you can spend the money in the police and fighting the far more prevalent cause of crime in the U.S.: gangs?
I largely agree with this...sorta. Gang violence really needs to be crushed, and annihilated. Without mercy, without reservation. I've always wanted to see several hundred Special Forces, dressed in 'geek' attire, given knives, and sent to the Gang violence hotspots of the US. And given a free writ, to excise the bad. Put cameras on 'em, and sell the footage PPV.
Morne
This is genius. If I was in power over here, I'd send a bunch of S.A.S. dressed up like tourists to help out.
Enough PPV sales (and there will be loads), and we could solve the financial crisis, too! Love it!
This is genius. If I was in power over here, I'd send a bunch of S.A.S. dressed up like tourists to help out.
Enough PPV sales (and there will be loads), and we could solve the financial crisis, too! Love it!
The military needs urban conflict simulation training anyway...this would provide the best scenario for the job. Additionally, we'd learn allot more about collateral damage, and identifying appropriate targets first hand. As opposed to learning it in foreign countries.
The thing is, when you make gun laws more strict, the people who get them illegally will still be able to get them. And when they get those guns, they know no one else has them because of the gun laws.
There is plenty of research being done about gun control and the results might be more shocking than you think. Where there isn't very strict laws, there is FAR less gun crime. On the other hand, where there is strict gun laws, you'll find a higher mortality rate from gun violence. Then, you look at a place like Britain which has banned guns for decades. Not only have the number of stabbings grown exponentially recently, but there is still gun crime, and that is on the rise too.
What there needs to be is GUN EDUCATION. The government always bans stuff they think the general populace is too stupid to grasp. Educate the people, show them how guns work, why they are dangerous, and the proper way to store them so kids don't get access and everything would just fine. I'm not saying gun crime would go away. That will NEVER happen, but it will drastically reduce accidental deaths by guns, and it will give the thugs with illegal guns something to think about before they try to rob Average Joe.
This is genius. If I was in power over here, I'd send a bunch of S.A.S. dressed up like tourists to help out.
Enough PPV sales (and there will be loads), and we could solve the financial crisis, too! Love it!
The military needs urban conflict simulation training anyway...this would provide the best scenario for the job. Additionally, we'd learn allot more about collateral damage, and identifying appropriate targets first hand. As opposed to learning it in foreign countries.
problem with Iraq and Afghanistan is that if we've gone in and destabilized their governments and if we leave before a stable government is established it will wind up worse that before we showed up. that being said we should have never gone into Iraq to begin with. Granted Saddam evil but he didn't pose the threat we where led to believe he did.
Machines Are Us: Considering the U.S and UK (as well as others?) are still there despite the local populace not wanting them, I'd say there are other motives.
Sources?
Um... how about the last part, about more deaths being since the war was over? If they wanted our troops there they wouldn't keep trying to kill us.
Machines Are Us: Considering the U.S and UK (as well as others?) are still there despite the local populace not wanting them, I'd say there are other motives.
Sources?
Um... how about the last part, about more deaths being since the war was over? If they wanted our troops there they wouldn't keep trying to kill us.
Sorry, not, y'know, valid. Mainly because from what I assess, the people trying to kill are in a distinct minority, and fairly unpopular. You must realise that, no matter how much they may dislike us, they will hate suicide bombers more. Hell, many of the insurgents aren't even Iraqi - a lot are Saudi and Iranian nationals. It could well be that we've got a case that 80% of the population is peacefully saying 'Go America, go Britain, go Coaltion!', and you've got the remaining 20% who are being absolute cunts about the fact that we are not going to permit them to set up a theocratic state on land we fought and took in the name of democracy. And don't say they don't want democracy, because you can't prove that either.
P.S Sorry if I seem a bit militant or angry, I just got off doing an extra four hours at my job after I'd clocked out. I'd like to furthermore add that your avatar is of a high quality.
Darkside360: Oh wow another "I hate America thread" how fucking original.
Oh wow, another poster with all the subtlety of sledgehammer and the style of a cowshit coated in margerine.
Darkside360: Oh wow another "I hate America thread" how fucking original.
Oh wow, another poster with all the subtlety of sledgehammer and the style of a cowshit coated in margerine.
Yeah because I'm supposed to just accept all the anti Americanism here.
Thread fails.
No, your supposed to put together a rational, cogent counter-argument and not behave like a Ritalin-popping twelve-year old, or at least not like the 'ignorant, fearful, scared-of-change, instinctively-distrustful and suspicous American Hick' stereotype that gets waved about by so many snooty pseudo-intellectual teens in their angsty counter-culture fashion.
And yes, by insulting both sides, one can construct a balanced argument.
Machines Are Us: Considering the U.S and UK (as well as others?) are still there despite the local populace not wanting them, I'd say there are other motives.
Sources?
Um... how about the last part, about more deaths being since the war was over? If they wanted our troops there they wouldn't keep trying to kill us.
How about this equation, 27 million people versus 160,000. America's army is good...but not that good. If all Iraqi's wanted Americans gone, there's absolutely nothing...nothing, our army could do to stop it.
Darkside360: Oh wow another "I hate America thread" how fucking original.
Oh wow, another poster with all the subtlety of sledgehammer and the style of a cowshit coated in margerine.
Yeah because I'm supposed to just accept all the anti Americanism here.
Thread fails.
No, your supposed to put together a rational, cogent counter-argument and not behave like a Ritalin-popping twelve-year old, or at least not like the 'ignorant, fearful, scared-of-change, instinctively-distrustful and suspicous American Hick' stereotype that gets waved about by so many snooty pseudo-intellectual teens in their angsty counter-culture fashion.
And yes, by insulting both sides, one can construct a balanced argument.
Why do I need to argue what is common sense? Threads like these are horribly unoriginal. Every day there is someone bashing America. Its bullshit and people need to give it a rest.
Darkside360: Oh wow another "I hate America thread" how fucking original.
Oh wow, another poster with all the subtlety of sledgehammer and the style of a cowshit coated in margerine.
Yeah because I'm supposed to just accept all the anti Americanism here.
Thread fails.
No, your supposed to put together a rational, cogent counter-argument and not behave like a Ritalin-popping twelve-year old, or at least not like the 'ignorant, fearful, scared-of-change, instinctively-distrustful and suspicous American Hick' stereotype that gets waved about by so many snooty pseudo-intellectual teens in their angsty counter-culture fashion.
And yes, by insulting both sides, one can construct a balanced argument.
Why do I need to argue what is common sense? Threads like these are horribly unoriginal. Every day there is someone bashing America. It's bullshit and people need to give it a rest.
Firstly, because moonshining drinking inbreds The Founding Fathers saw fit to inscribe the Right to Free Speech upon thine Constitution. Secondly, because this thread is not all America-bashing, but if you had actually read it, you would realise that it is in fact a half-decent attempt at enlightened discussion that is being ruined by trolling pro and anti-America fanboys like yourself.
Darkside360: Oh wow another "I hate America thread" how fucking original.
^This, i'm a Brit and i am tired of all the American hatred here. Why? Because, thinking objectively, America's roll in the world has been largely positive.
1)- Lend-Lease in WW2- kept Britain fighting in WW2, also benefited the USSR. 2)Played a major role in European Front in WW2- liberated France and Italy- Britain could not have done it alone. 3)Unquestionably, played the most significant role in defeating Japanese militarism- ultimately, America was, and is, "The Arsenal of Democracy" 4)Marshall Plan- A huge cash handout to Europe after WW2 allowed Europe to recover rapidly. 5)Space Race- Got a man on the moon- the technologies developed during the space race where also useful 6)Hollywood,and shows such as "Freinds", "Family Guy" and "The Simpson's"- we all enjoy, and its American.- Culturally, we benefit from America. 7)Being a huge trading power means that other nations benefit- trade is mutually benifical 8)Being a huge military power means that America can defend western interests- America takes the lions share of the fighting in Afghanistan for instance. (Largely because other nations don't send enough troops) 9)America took on British ideas- such as free trade, democracy and capitalism and equality before the law, developed them and defined them as they are today. 10)From my own personal experience, the general reputation of Americans being friendly and all round decent people, is true.
Now of course not all would agree with these points (and indeed i myself question quite a few of them. There are two sides to every coin, i am just trying to re-address the balance). For instance the Marshall plan was partially motivated by American self-interest, America did not want Western Europe turning Communist. You could also argue that America wields to much power culturally- hence the expression- "Cultural Imperialism"- and throws around its military weight to much. However, in comparison to past super-powers America shows more restraint than past superpowers- America doesn't officially seek out to conquer other countries. You could argue that America is economically to powerful- the current economic crisis, and the other one that struck in 1929 was caused by America.
To people who don't what America is- verbally sniping America isn't going to archive anything. To us Europeans who are jealous of America's economic,political, military and cultural dominance- Then I say we need to get working. Political bodies, such as the EU- are there to boost Europe's economic and political powers, so hopefully in the future we can stand as equals to America. With a more influential Europe (which can only come with a united Europe)hopefully the said grievances against America can be addressed- And Americans will no longer have to put up with our flaming.
To be honest, most of Britain never wanted to go to Iraq, Tony Blair just made us go because of the oil there. Also why America wanted to go in the first place as well.
A,erica also has a deal with the UK where anyone they want can be just deported to America and trialed there with no evidence needed for deportion and shipping. Whilst they have some positive impact on the world, this thread is meant to be about the negative impact and their problems, which have just caused problems for the rest of the world.
This topic did nothing. If you hate America then keep it to yourself.