The contrast between drug effects and advertised effects

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So it's that time again where I've been intoxicated and felt the need to bring up a case. In this particular instance, I know that a drug thread pops up here about once a week or more, but I don't want to ask everyones opinion on these intoxicants, instead I'd like to speak specifically to those who have actually used drugs beyond the usual alcohol, nicotine and cannibis.

After work last night, I got to talking with a like minded employee about particular drugs; mostly extacy and cocaine, but the thread will apply to all drugs. The third employee started rolling his eyes, and said that drugs were for idiots - sure, a reasonable response for most of you.

However, I asked him which drugs he had tried to base his opinion on and he said he has never tried anything except alcohol. Long story short, I got into a big rant about how what he thinks drugs do to you and what they actually do are different. I've come across quite a few people who express that they will never try any sort of drug, and fair enough it is a risk with your well being. He seemed to think however, that simply trying a drug meant that you would become addicted to it. I told him that you would need to be very weak willed to end up like this, but acknowledged that it can happen to the best of us in the wrong situation.

What I was more interested in though, was the different perceptions that people with actual real life experience had. I have tried quite a few drugs; I smoke, drink, have tried coke, extacy, MDMA (different effect to extacy pills), shrooms, amphetamines, dexamphetamines (indeed, I am on dexamphetamines as I write this) and so on, plenty of lesser drugs also experiemented with.

I have had almost entirely positive experiences with the drugs I have taken, with the exception of a time when I was quite young and was pressured into taking extacy. I had a bad reaction and for some reason spent the entire night suicidal - opposite the effect one might expect. I have one other negative experience where a friend reacted badly to shrooms (himself an experienced drug user) and he had some very, very bad hallucinations and delusions.

For those of you that have done more than the usual soft drugs, how have your personal experiences differed to what you were told would happen? Have you had mosty positive outcomes, or have you have very bad experiences and now despise drug use? I assume, thought some might not be open to admitting they once used very hard drugs like heroin, that some of you might have once thought drugs to be fantastic but now have very different outlooks after kicking an addiction.

I am sometimes frustrated with government funded adverts saying that if you take drug x, you will die in situation y and so on. Sure this is to protect the main population, but I'd like to know if anything that you have seen via PSA and so on is at all factual. A fair proportion of the people I know experiement with drugs, and many of them are in the top percentage for their specific courses at university, and back in school a lot of the intellectuals tried many drugs and turned out fine..

Without further adue (is this even a word?) I'll leave you to your responses, or else I'll write several pages of my own opinion.

I can't speak for myself, but a friend of mine tried extasy and said the experience was awful. It made him all paranoid and hyper and he felt like shit afterward.

I am aware that all the crazy stuff they say in DARE classes isn't necessarily guaranteed to happen, but those kinds of drugs to increase the risk. I am also aware that addiction is a very real risk and I tend to have a slightly addictive personality so I tend to avoid those kinds of things.

I don't take drugs and quite frankly, not planning to take any in the future. I'm not gonna even bother to know what they do to you. If it's illegal, chances are it's not very good for you. You won't necessarily suffer a horrible and painful death, but I would still rather stay sober. I don't even drink or smoke.

I don't have to take coke or heroin to know its gonna fuck you up, though having said that the amount of stuff you hear about weed and LSD is just stupid, their both mostly harmless and in my case have even benefited me.

I haven't tried any drugs myself but my dad and his brothers between them have tried most things and according to my uncle for every high there is an equal low.

i smoked weed/hash and my heart started beating ultra fast and chest heated up, fingers went numb so i couldnt move them and i thought i was gonna die. went to the doctor he didnt find anything, and im still getting chest pains for 2 years now, im very sensitive to any smoke

While I myself have never taken any drugs (and I don't plan to except for Ritalin, but I have ADD so that's needed), when my Mother was young she had tried Cocaine. She told me it made her feel very paranoid and she basically spent the entire time sitting in a corner.

My next door neighbour was addicted to some crazy stuff for a long time. My brother and I have talked to him about it but never too in depth. Though he does have scars all over his arms from scratching himself up while he was high.

Puzzles:
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The only drugs I have not done are crack and heroine (or anything else injected, i like shagging too much to risk HIV and crack is named after a part of my butt, so that was out).

All of them are awesome. Some are more awesome then others. No effects really took me by surprise as I was told what would happen by experienced drug users.

To re-iterate, all of them are awesome. NOONE gets addicted on their first go.. I do coke maybe once every 6 months and I NEVER feel OMG I need MORE!!! (except for when I am on it, but that's par for the course.)

My favourite misinformed opinion that the general public has are the police busts you see in the paper. It's all like 'Grow house busted: 1000 plants taken - Street Value of 10 million!!!" I am always like OMG, those must be the biggest plants ever grown EVER and the cops find them every other weekend. i got half a pound off a plant once and I figured I was some sort of growing god, that is NOTHING compared to what the cops come up with.

I Fiend I:
i smoked weed/hash and my heart started beating ultra fast and chest heated up, fingers went numb so i couldnt move them and i thought i was gonna die. went to the doctor he didnt find anything, and im still getting chest pains for 2 years now, im very sensitive to any smoke

Don't feel bad, sometimes people just have a bad reaction to it. You may even be allergic to it.

shewolf51:
While I myself have never taken any drugs (and I don't plan to except for Ritalin, but I have ADD so that's needed), when my Mother was young she had tried Cocaine. She told me it made her feel very paranoid and she basically spent the entire time sitting in a corner.

My next door neighbour was addicted to some crazy stuff for a long time. My brother and I have talked to him about it but never too in depth. Though he does have scars all over his arms from scratching himself up while he was high.

Sounds like meth to me.

I only tried cocaine, the second I started coming off of it I just wanted more and more and more, and never touched the stuff again realizing that I obviously was going to have a problem with it if I did. Meth, I've used a few times, if it's used in drastic moderation it's basically just a super charged energy booster, it is however very easy to take too much and just wind up awake for two days and so mentally burned out at the end that you can barely think at all. I did some LSD back in high school and didn't see anything wrong with it in moderation, though it's also something I wouldn't do alone at the same time.

Most these drugs just require a level of personal responsibility that is horribly lacking in our society. People very quickly want to blame everything but themselves for their actions, and on the whole the world and media seem to support this. People burning themselves with obviously hot coffee can sue the people that sold them the coffee. People blame video games on violent behavior while the fact that it's a thousandth of a percent of people that play that actually act out.

In general I have just stuck with cannabis, it's mild and let's me just sit back and release all my stress and enjoy a good game or movie. I've never even really been an alcohol drinker, I've always found it to enhance my violent side and I just don't really like that feeling.

In the end I suppose anything done in proper moderation with some consideration is okay. As you stated in your initial post though many people...

Puzzles:
He seemed to think however, that simply trying a drug meant that you would become addicted to it. I told him that you would need to be very weak willed to end up like this, but acknowledged that it can happen to the best of us in the wrong situation.

I am sometimes frustrated with government funded adverts saying that if you take drug x, you will die in situation y and so on. Sure this is to protect the main population

The second part to an extent I think is a responsible action, however, they always take everything to the absolute extreme. I think this is also in error, if you are going to make someone aware of something the honest truth is always the best path to take in my opinion, and this hasn't been the approach with any of the anti-drug campaigning I've ever seen.

The fact remains of all these substances, I remain addicted to only one. The nicotine in my cigarettes despite paying money, using tricks, and willpower, I can not go a single day without a cig without my nerves being on end and being ready to have a freak out on the next person that speaks to me. Yet, this is the one that is legal. Of all the above mentioned drugs I can go without them and in fact don't use any of them but cannabis anymore, and even it I can go without for months without any negative effects or urges.

There's a double standard here and lies wrapped up in lies that have lead to an underground culture that practically begs for errant behavior and lifestyles associated with them. I don't know exactly what you were trying to get at but I find myself agreeing with the majority of what you said.

Firstly, I Fiend I, you wimp, don't be such a hypochondriac.
MDMA, who doesn't love MDMA? Fun lovey drug! keeps you dancing all night and the feeling you get as you come up of a nice big bomb is unmatched. My personal favorite.
Coke is a bit of a waste of money in my opinion, for the same price you could get a gram of some tasty MDMA and have a far more enjoyable night! Good for a long night heavy drinking however!
Pills (E's/speed/MDMA/whatever else) are generally good, but obviously depending what they're cut with can send you a bit off kilter. My advice is stick with the well known brands, white rolexes, blue fantasias or whatever and STAY AWAY from speckled brown pills.
Ketamine is fun and cheap but can be dark if you fall in the k-hole, it's the strongest hallucinogenic I've ever had (Stronger than acid or 'shrooms) though it doesn't last too long. Last time I went there I was seeing in TRON vision, blue outlines on everything that glowed in response to sound.
'shrooms are very very enjoyable round a bonfire with a few mates, funny times with mild to medium trippyness, I'm not a massive fan of munching *loads* though, just enough to get me in a nice place..
Weed, not a fan, any more at least, used to love it but developed an intolerance to it, now even the smell of it can send me running to the toilet. Shame really as I miss the feeling.

As for all the above, it is my firm belief they are best enjoyed in moderation, have fun but don't be a dick!

crooked_ferret:
The fact remains of all these substances, I remain addicted to only one. The nicotine in my cigarettes despite paying money, using tricks, and willpower, I can not go a single day without a cig without my nerves being on end and being ready to have a freak out on the next person that speaks to me. Yet, this is the one that is legal. Of all the above mentioned drugs I can go without them and in fact don't use any of them but cannabis anymore, and even it I can go without for months without any negative effects or urges.

There's a double standard here and lies wrapped up in lies that have lead to an underground culture that practically begs for errant behavior and lifestyles associated with them. I don't know exactly what you were trying to get at but I find myself agreeing with the majority of what you said.

You've hit the crux there, alcohol and tobacco fall within the middle of the harm/depedency graph (google it), and are for more dangerous than many other drugs such as cannabis. Yet both are legal.

Wow, its funny how many people here aren't even trying to answer the questions asked. Just chucking in their two cents on how if its illegal its bad for you. Drugs you get from the doctors are generally speaking far more harmful to the body (not taking into account the possibilities of impurities in street drugs). We run on chemicals, that's what all living things do. People need to clear up their definition of "drugs" before pointing the finger. Viagra is a harmful drug but some people use it as a tool to better their quality of life, the same can be said for psychedelics. If one wishes to address their emotional issues head on there are tools out there, but so many people are unprepared and illinformed and end up misusing these tools.

To answer your question:
What you read about drugs and what the drugs effects are like are ALWAYS going to be different, language is a very basic tool when it comes to trying to record abstract thoughts for another person to perfectly understand. I have had experiences on mushrooms that have lasted only a few moments but I could write you a whole book on what that moment was really like for me and the thoughts it opened up to myself. The best way to answer your question (reading between the lines a bit and judging by your list) is by directing you to someone who has said it much better than I ever could.

"Ever since the first couple of times i'd taken it in my early twenties, I'd always maintained a great interest in heroin. I'd sort of fallen in love with the warmth of it - the way it felt like crawling back into the womb. I always knew it would be the one, because it was the only drug that did what was promised.

I won't lapse into saying it did exactly what it said on the tin, because i despise advert- authoritised idioms, but heroin delivered. LSD kind of does a bit, especially when all the things that are familiar to you peel away and you suddenly realise the fragility of how you normally see the world. Marijuana kind of doesn't really, although it's a laugh for a while. (I say that having smoked it constantly for a decade). Alcohol makes you sick and give you a headache. Crack is like inhaling plastic, but so brief and flimsy and brittle as a high. Normal cocaine just makes you nervous, amphetamines are even worse, and ecstacy never really agreed with me. But heroin gets the job done.

What it mainly does is take you right out of reality, and plant you somewhere more manageable. In short, it contextualises everything else as meaningless.
All of us, I think. have a vague idea that we're missing something. Some say that thing is God; that the longing we feel- be it for a lover, or a football team, or a drug - is merely an inappropriate substitute for the longing we're supposed to feel for God, for oneness, for truth. And what heroin does really successfully is objectify that need.

My mate Karl once told me he'd been looking after this five-year-old boy who- not knowing enough to have an ironic inflection to his words- said "I want something" He didnt know what it was. Not "I want sweets" or "a can of Coke" or "to watch the Tweenies", but "I want something". All of us, I think, have that feeling. And what heroin does when you first start taking it is tell you what that something is."
"from then on the idea of need is no longer an abstract thing, but a longing in your belly, and a kicking in your legs and a shivering in your arms, and sweat on your forehead and a dull pallor on your face." - Russell Brand

Booze_Hound:

crooked_ferret:
The fact remains of all these substances, I remain addicted to only one. The nicotine in my cigarettes despite paying money, using tricks, and willpower, I can not go a single day without a cig without my nerves being on end and being ready to have a freak out on the next person that speaks to me. Yet, this is the one that is legal. Of all the above mentioned drugs I can go without them and in fact don't use any of them but cannabis anymore, and even it I can go without for months without any negative effects or urges.

There's a double standard here and lies wrapped up in lies that have lead to an underground culture that practically begs for errant behavior and lifestyles associated with them. I don't know exactly what you were trying to get at but I find myself agreeing with the majority of what you said.

You've hit the crux there, alcohol and tobacco fall within the middle of the harm/depedency graph (google it), and are for more dangerous than many other drugs such as cannabis. Yet both are legal.

well the OP didn't want us to get into it, but anyone that knows the truth knows that cannabis being made illegal had nothing to do with it's effects as a drug.
http://www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_action/Real_Reason_Hemp_Illegal.html

Oh I thought I would add. I have taken magic mushrooms, lsd, lsa, mdma, methylone, valium, weed codeine, sleeping tablets, NOS, speed, ketamine, mescaline and a large handful of legals. None of them I found particularly addictive apart from sleeping tablets and weed. Weed is a bitch to kick because of the embedding of it in ones social culture. Watch out for regretamine, people get very messy on it and assume they had a good time because they cant remember. Its sad. Never touch coke in my opinion. No-one gives it a good review overall (pros/cons). No-one.

Apart from the run of the mill substances(which i use quite often), I've tried amfetamine and LSD, once each.

The amfetamine was a resounding disappointment, manifesting itself as the equvilent of a big caffine high...

LSD on the other hand, was, eh, interesting. It started out great, as in "I can see the music dude!", but ended up beliving that Papa Smurf was going to kill me. Yeah, Papa Smurf...

shewolf51:
While I myself have never taken any drugs (and I don't plan to except for Ritalin, but I have ADD so that's needed), when my Mother was young she had tried Cocaine. She told me it made her feel very paranoid and she basically spent the entire time sitting in a corner.

My next door neighbour was addicted to some crazy stuff for a long time. My brother and I have talked to him about it but never too in depth. Though he does have scars all over his arms from scratching himself up while he was high.

You do realise that ritalin is a methamphetamine analogue yeah? Chucking ritalin at kids who have 'ADD' bothers me. Drugging them up as opposed to teaching them how to focus. Positive change always comes from within.

well... a friend of mine went to see a guru for a guided session of shrooms (if you know something about shrooms, they had used them a lot in Aztek times to comunicate with the gods, and in some places here in Mexico people preserve that tradition) soo well, the guru (or shaman or whatever) starts the rithual and after some mumbo jumbo he didnīt understood (he went only to get high, didnīt really cared about the tradition) he got the shrooms and experienced a vission where a cow standing in the middle of a huge green field started talking to him

"Arthur (not his real name) WHY MUST YOU KILL ME!?"

"huh??" my fiend answered

"WHY must you take my flesh and my meat and eat me!?, i have never done anything to you! what harm could i possibly have done to you? WHY MUST YOU KILL ME AND EAT ME!?"

"i am sorry cow, but what else could i do?"

the cow started to cry

"you must do as you see best, just remember, i have never harmed you, question yourselve, WHY MUST YOU KILL ME?"

sooooooo, afret a huge freak out in wich the guru had to stop the session and pull him back to his senses, my friend explained everything he saw to the guru

the guru got al serious and said "indeed, you have crossed the barrier of our mortal coils (i dont know if this is the correct translation), you have discovered another aspect of yourselve, do not fear, no harm will come to you, you need to meditate upon what happened"

hahaha, soo yeah, my friend stopped eating cow meat for a year...

quite a story huh? oh, and i have only smoked pot, so i think you dont care about my own storyes

Tried coke, ended up with an arm growing out of my ass.

Maybe on my deathbed I'll take a puff of some strong stuff to die happy. I know people who took drugs and they tell me you just see crazy colors and dream for a while.

gravitron89:

shewolf51:
While I myself have never taken any drugs (and I don't plan to except for Ritalin, but I have ADD so that's needed), when my Mother was young she had tried Cocaine. She told me it made her feel very paranoid and she basically spent the entire time sitting in a corner.

My next door neighbour was addicted to some crazy stuff for a long time. My brother and I have talked to him about it but never too in depth. Though he does have scars all over his arms from scratching himself up while he was high.

You do realise that ritalin is a methamphetamine analogue yeah? Chucking ritalin at kids who have 'ADD' bothers me. Drugging them up as opposed to teaching them how to focus. Positive change always comes from within.

Yeah, I know. Which is why I said "except for Ritalin."

I started taking Ritalin for my ADD in third grade because I guess my ADD was pretty out of control but my former teacher said she noticed a big improvement after I started taking it. I still take it because if I go without it then my mind is distracted by every little noise (such as talking) and I simply can't concentrate on what's in front of me. Which makes it very hard to do schoolwork.

ADarkHorse:

Ketamine is fun and cheap but can be dark if you fall in the k-hole, it's the strongest hallucinogenic I've ever had (Stronger than acid or 'shrooms) though it doesn't last too long. Last time I went there I was seeing in TRON vision, blue outlines on everything that glowed in response to sound.

No.
Just no.
Sorry that I may be biased from personal experience, but my sis had ketamine for an operation (it's horse tranquilizer). She was basically "high" for about a week. Then when it wore off, 3 seizures in a row and then a coma for 4 hours. We thought she was going to die. when she woke up the entire of the left side of her body was unresponsive. Now she has epilepisy which she never had before and her brain is deteriorating. So 'cause of this, Ketamine is the only one I really have a problem with. ^^

darksusano:

ADarkHorse:

Ketamine is fun and cheap but can be dark if you fall in the k-hole, it's the strongest hallucinogenic I've ever had (Stronger than acid or 'shrooms) though it doesn't last too long. Last time I went there I was seeing in TRON vision, blue outlines on everything that glowed in response to sound.

No.
Just no.
Sorry that I may be biased from personal experience, but my sis had ketamine for an operation (it's horse tranquilizer). She was basically "high" for about a week. Then when it wore off, 3 seizures in a row and then a coma for 4 hours. We thought she was going to die. when she woke up the entire of the left side of her body was unresponsive. Now she has epilepisy which she never had before and her brain is deteriorating. So 'cause of this, Ketamine is the only one I really have a problem with. ^^

I'm sorry for your sister, that sounds horrible.
A recreational dose would be much smaller, weaker than liquid form and you'd normally sweat it out in about 30 minutes to an hour, though I understand and respect your stance.

ADarkHorse:

darksusano:

ADarkHorse:

Ketamine is fun and cheap but can be dark if you fall in the k-hole, it's the strongest hallucinogenic I've ever had (Stronger than acid or 'shrooms) though it doesn't last too long. Last time I went there I was seeing in TRON vision, blue outlines on everything that glowed in response to sound.

No.
Just no.
Sorry that I may be biased from personal experience, but my sis had ketamine for an operation (it's horse tranquilizer). She was basically "high" for about a week. Then when it wore off, 3 seizures in a row and then a coma for 4 hours. We thought she was going to die. when she woke up the entire of the left side of her body was unresponsive. Now she has epilepisy which she never had before and her brain is deteriorating. So 'cause of this, Ketamine is the only one I really have a problem with. ^^

I'm sorry for your sister, that sounds horrible.
A recreational dose would be much smaller, weaker than liquid form and you'd normally sweat it out in about 30 minutes to an hour, though I understand and respect your stance.

Ok I guess. Admittedly they did mix it with other anesthetics, I'm just saying I'd never touch the stuff.

darksusano:

ADarkHorse:

Ketamine is fun and cheap but can be dark if you fall in the k-hole, it's the strongest hallucinogenic I've ever had (Stronger than acid or 'shrooms) though it doesn't last too long. Last time I went there I was seeing in TRON vision, blue outlines on everything that glowed in response to sound.

No.
Just no.
Sorry that I may be biased from personal experience, but my sis had ketamine for an operation (it's horse tranquilizer). She was basically "high" for about a week. Then when it wore off, 3 seizures in a row and then a coma for 4 hours. We thought she was going to die. when she woke up the entire of the left side of her body was unresponsive. Now she has epilepisy which she never had before and her brain is deteriorating. So 'cause of this, Ketamine is the only one I really have a problem with. ^^

What kind of surgery was it if she was on ketamine for a whole week?

Too much hassle to quote stuff, so here's some piecemeal comments.

Coke
Doesn't justify its status as one of the 'hardest' substances. ODing is possible but difficult, any problems that come with it are due to bad cutting and having to deal with criminals to get it. People talk about it turning you into an arrogant prick and for some people this is true. Taking a lot does increase your opinion of yourself, but different people get it to different extents. If you aren't a prick usually, you won't be too bad on coke. It's just a shame that the people that like it most usually are. People also say that it is addictive and I have to agree, but it is hardly an irrestible urge. Particularly given the high cost and relatively short up time. A nice clean coke though is a different proposition to what most people are used to. Very fun.

MDMA
Amazing dose of tablet empathy. Makes you very cuddly and also can make you understand what all the fuss is about with trance (and other forms of electronic music). Will kill a lot of inhibitions and causes horniness in some people. Contrary to popular belief it is very difficult to kill yourself with. To take so much that you might seriously harm yourself requires you to take more than 10 times a standard dose so it isn't dangerous in this way. Though a friend of mine accidentally took what was supposed to be about 5 doses in one night, freaked the fuck out, went home, and spent the next two weeks coming down, including confessing drug use to his parents. Funny, but no real serious consequence.

Ecstasy
At best a well balanced comination of MDMA and speed. Can contain almost anything though, and if you don't know it is a good pill, it usually isn't worth the money finding out. They say you can get dodgy pills that will mess you up, and this is true, but it is much more likely that you will get a placebo and a waste of money. The actual biggest danger is that with the drop in quality of pills over the last 10 years, that you will be used to the standard now, and so take anywhere between 2 and 10 pills in a night as standard - if you get a genuinely good batch and don't adjust down because you don't know how good it is, you can end up taking too much at which point you're likely to freak out and in some circumstances worse. Again, the key safety principle is to be reasonable with the amount, and adjust after seeing how 1 does. When made well, these are the best party and going out drug. For both MDMA and to a greater extent with pills, you should expect a noticable one day comedown where you feel flat and directionless for a day. It isn't the suicide inducing depression that some claim it is, it is more like the feeling you have when you shrug, stretched out for a whole day. Easiest way of dealing with it is making sure you have nothing important to do and then getting stoned and watching films or episodes with friends. Or valium - a solution to anything...

LSD
'Wooo I think I can fly!' NO. It is impossible to stress the extent to which this bullshit is wrong. Acid can make you see amazing things, but it takes a hell of a lot to transfer you to another world. Even then it doesn't make you think you have special powers and that world is merely an overlay over the one that is really there. It alters your perception of the patterns that and makes everything seem as if it is breathing - your brain constantly changing the patterns it is focussing on. It is an incredible drug, and people worried about bad trips shouldn't be. Bad trips aren't THAT bad and they usually come about due to the combination of acid and other major concerns in your life. A good way of preventing that possibility is to combine acid with MDMA - a combination that works incredibly well for enjoyment as well as insuring against a bad trip (no guarantee, but more friendly advice).

Magic Mushrooms
Depends on the strain, but again they will not make you think you can fly. Often they're a great way to help you appreciate the grandeur of the universe. One of my most enduring memories is looking up at the night sky for hours while tripping and just feeling like I was seeing deeper and deeper into the universe. It was great fun. Shrooms are great fun and in small doses make people very giggly, like a more active kind of stoned. In higher doses they can be a really pleasing hallucinogen.

Ketamine
It's sad what happened to someone above's sister but 1) what was the operation, and could it be because of that or some other disease picked up at the hospital, and 2) recreational ketamine usually isn't injected or vapourised, and even when it is, the idea isn't to achieve anaesthesia, so doses don't get that high. Recreational use effects range from some disassociation with some kind of intense curiosity about all the big and little questions of life, to shellshocked tripping, usually with self-examination and a strong feeling of 'floating' sort of like you're in a third person view, to the k-hole, a usually unpleasant kind of trip where you can feel quite sick and very overwhelmed. Experienced users learn to ride the k-hole and eventually enjoyment can be achieved. I don't know anything about IV or IM (intra-muscular) but I am told it is similar but stronger.

Amphetamines
Noticeable range but the usual effects include at least some of the following; massive energy boost, compulsion to move around, some increased happy feeling, some loss of inhibition, some very minor hallucination. Unfortunately, they usually prevent men form being able to get it up so factor that in to any plans. Great for clubbing, particularly in combination with MDMA.

2C-
This is a range of experimental drugs that are all similar, but with clear distinction between them, meaning that you can enjoy one and hate another, depending on your preferences. 2CB is probably the most balanced between the hallucinogenic properties and the high energy/empthaty properties. They're kind of like a mix of good pills and acid, but a bit weirder. Probably best left until you've done quite a few other things and learned the landmarks of a trip.

Salvia
The most powerful trip I've experience and definitely not one for the faint of heart. Smoke it through a bong or pipe using a clean burning lighter (one of those torch lighters) and get at least the 40x and it will knock you sideways. Most people I've done it with say they did not enojy it, but I find that it is sort like a half hour long puzzle where you feel like you've melted into whatever you are sitting/lying on, and slowly (and I mean REALLY slowly - your thought processes feel like they take 100 times longer) work out in what way your perception of the world has been altered. Just as you succeed in doing so, you mostly come out of it and back to normality. Gives a nice sense of achievement...

I think that will do for now. If anyone can think of any claims made about any of those that haven't been raised then please reply and I'll let you know what experiences I've had with that aspect.

I have sampled weed this year, all it really did was make me more relaxed and giggly although that wore off quickly too. I have only smoke it on rare occasions and I expect I won't smoke it very much, or much more anyway. Other than that I have not touched anything else and I don't really plan to either.

Just to everyone: Last time I checked salvia isn't illegal.

gravitron89:

"Ever since the first couple of times i'd taken it in my early twenties, I'd always maintained a great interest in heroin. I'd sort of fallen in love with the warmth of it - the way it felt like crawling back into the womb. I always knew it would be the one, because it was the only drug that did what was promised.

I won't lapse into saying it did exactly what it said on the tin, because i despise advert- authoritised idioms, but heroin delivered. LSD kind of does a bit, especially when all the things that are familiar to you peel away and you suddenly realise the fragility of how you normally see the world. Marijuana kind of doesn't really, although it's a laugh for a while. (I say that having smoked it constantly for a decade). Alcohol makes you sick and give you a headache. Crack is like inhaling plastic, but so brief and flimsy and brittle as a high. Normal cocaine just makes you nervous, amphetamines are even worse, and ecstacy never really agreed with me. But heroin gets the job done.

What it mainly does is take you right out of reality, and plant you somewhere more manageable. In short, it contextualises everything else as meaningless.
All of us, I think. have a vague idea that we're missing something. Some say that thing is God; that the longing we feel- be it for a lover, or a football team, or a drug - is merely an inappropriate substitute for the longing we're supposed to feel for God, for oneness, for truth. And what heroin does really successfully is objectify that need.

My mate Karl once told me he'd been looking after this five-year-old boy who- not knowing enough to have an ironic inflection to his words- said "I want something" He didnt know what it was. Not "I want sweets" or "a can of Coke" or "to watch the Tweenies", but "I want something". All of us, I think, have that feeling. And what heroin does when you first start taking it is tell you what that something is."
"from then on the idea of need is no longer an abstract thing, but a longing in your belly, and a kicking in your legs and a shivering in your arms, and sweat on your forehead and a dull pallor on your face." - Russell Brand

You write very interestingly and don't quite succeed in ruining it by quoting Russell Brand at the end. In fact, that whole last paragraph feels like the finding of meaning where there isn't any.
On the other hand, your description of what heroin does for you is fascinating. Did you feel that way from the first time you did it? Is that achievable through smoking alone, or is IV use required? Also, with the drugs that you don't seem so enthused about, is it possible that you were given an over-hyped impression of them, but not of heroin? Or is it just that it is THAT good? Did you try them after you did heroin? Lots of questions.

Hattman:
Just to everyone: Last time I checked salvia isn't illegal.

It is illegal to sell for human consumption. But yes, you can buy it in shops. I think the reason it isn't illegal is that most people don't find it very fun.

Puzzles:
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Well, I've tried a lot of drugs, so I'll tell you what I got.

Cigarettes: Nothing at all, I don't smoke, it seems pointless. Addiction for the sake of addiction.

Alcohol: I can't stand the taste, and I'm a very angry drunk, so no.

Cannabis: Now we're talking! I always stick to high quality stuff, and have never had a bad experience. It's never made me less intelligent, never made me paranoid, or demotivated. Just a lovely, floaty feeling, like the gentle feeling before you fall asleep, and everything seems alright.

Salvia: Legal, and very interesting. I've had a couple of odd experiences but on the whole it's been good. Can never stop giggling on it. Everything is hilarious.

Acid: 10 hours of intensive mind searching. Can't be called bad or good, but I certainly don't regret it. Use with caution however.

Magic Mushrooms: A lot happier than Acid, and whereas with Acid you feel closer to things spiritually, with Mushrooms you feel closer to the natural world. Best taken in nature.

Ecstacy: Too much going on, not a good time. Okay if you like dancing for hours but if you're a calm person, avoid.

Cocaine: Hurts the nose a lot and creates the mother of all adrenaline rushes. Wouldn't recommend you try more than three times.
Still fun though.

And there we go.

Don't judge me...

In the words of Richard Pryor:
"I'll try cocaine, I won't get hooked, my friends have been using every day for years, they ain't hooked!"

Most advertised effects of drugs are made by people who have never tried them. This would annoy me, except it's funny when you see someone try something for the first time and they're not quite sure how to behave. I've seen people smoke a joint and think they're hallucinating, taking pills and dance non-stop (even when there's no music... although that's not uncommon) and take cocaine then turn into an motormouth with a giant ego (despite not actually feeling that way when I speak to them).

As a rule, I don't take chemical drugs anymore, I need a clear head right now. However I have tried...

Cannabis: Who hasn't? Seriously, who hasn't? I'm certain that 99% of the earths population has tried this. It's a good, fun thing to do. This is the one thing I still do, I'd say to all those who haven't tried it (if any of you exist) it's akin to sitting next to the fireplace in winter with a glass of wine. It's relaxing and in higher doses makes you hungry and tired, no one should have to apologise for that.

Ecstacy: Again, many people have done this. It's great fun with the right people, sometimes an overwhelming sense of empathy depending on the kind of batch you get and how many you take. Tendency for ridiculously introspective conversations at higher doses, keeps you awake for a day or 2, otherwise pretty much harmless. The comedown varies from person to person. Personally I just can't hack it anymore, that and the last time I took ecstacy I did a couple of very stupid things which I'll save for another time...

Cocaine: MOST OVER-RATED DRUG EVER. I would have to say out of everything I've tried, cocaine is the worst. No I didn't develop a problem and live on the street for a while, if I did I'd have something to write about. Cocaine is shit. You take it, gets you high for 10 minutes/half an hour, becomes moreish(note:moreish not addictive) so you take more until the stash is used up. Taking it all night leads to a lot of hot air about nothing followed by nosebleeds then a comedown period of about 6 hours feeling 'meh'. Over-rated, too expensive, why do people have problems with this one?

Magic mushrooms: Great laugh, recommended to take with a friend. I saw a post earlier on stating the giggles you get at lower doses, yep, I was laughing for about an hour once. It is more like an active kind of stoned. However if you sit still and just watch things it's quite a dreamy feeling. Had a couple of bad experiences with them, though that was most likely a result of personal problems I had at the time that didn't aid the trip in any way. As previously mentioned, good idea to take with someone else.

Speed: What can I say? Motormouth syndrome again and a very tidy house afterwards. Speed is like an intense and focused hit of caffeine that makes you get shit done and talk at 100mph while you're doing it. Not bad, I can say out of all the powdered things I've tried I felt least lousy after this one.

Think that's about it for the moment.

SikOseph:

On the other hand, your description of what heroin does for you is fascinating. Did you feel that way from the first time you did it? Is that achievable through smoking alone, or is IV use required? Also, with the drugs that you don't seem so enthused about, is it possible that you were given an over-hyped impression of them, but not of heroin? Or is it just that it is THAT good? Did you try them after you did heroin? Lots of questions.

I think the whole thing was Russel Brand, read his next post, there's no mention of heroin:

gravitron89:
Oh I thought I would add. I have taken magic mushrooms, lsd, lsa, mdma, methylone, valium, weed codeine, sleeping tablets, NOS, speed, ketamine, mescaline and a large handful of legals.

also:

gravitron89:

SNIP
The best way to answer your question (reading between the lines a bit and judging by your list) is by directing you to someone who has said it much better than I ever could.

"Ever since the first couple of times i'd taken it in my early twenties, I'd always maintained a great interest in heroin. SNIP etc

I could answer all your questons, but not on an open forum.

Furburt:
Ecstacy: Too much going on, not a good time. Okay if you like dancing for hours but if you're a calm person, avoid.
snip
Oh, and by the way, all of those except cocaine are non-addictive.
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In the words of Richard Pryor:
"I'll try cocaine, I won't get hooked, my friends have been using every day for years, they ain't hooked!"

Wrongo. Some of them aren't chemically addictive by MDMA/speed (what you are calling ecstasy) definitely both have a reasonably high addictve index. Funny, funny quote. The reason you didn't enjoy your pills is because they were wrongly balanced. Try buying yourself some GOOD mdma (expensive atm because there is hardly any being made) and some speed, mix 0.15g MD to 0.07-0.1 speed and you'll see why it is fun. Or if you can't be arsed with the added activity, just don't bother with the speed.

SmartIdiot:

Cocaine: MOST OVER-RATED DRUG EVER. I would have to say out of everything I've tried, cocaine is the worst. No I didn't develop a problem and live on the street for a while, if I did I'd have something to write about. Cocaine is shit. You take it, gets you high for 10 minutes/half an hour, becomes moreish(note:moreish not addictive) so you take more until the stash is used up. Taking it all night leads to a lot of hot air about nothing followed by nosebleeds then a comedown period of about 6 hours feeling 'meh'. Over-rated, too expensive, why do people have problems with this one?

Hahaha bang on. Higher quality is a little more than moreish but you are bang on with the description for 95% of the coke out there.

scumofsociety:

SikOseph:

On the other hand, your description of what heroin does for you is fascinating. Did you feel that way from the first time you did it? Is that achievable through smoking alone, or is IV use required? Also, with the drugs that you don't seem so enthused about, is it possible that you were given an over-hyped impression of them, but not of heroin? Or is it just that it is THAT good? Did you try them after you did heroin? Lots of questions.

I think the whole thing was Russel Brand, read his next post, there's no mention of heroin:

gravitron89:
Oh I thought I would add. I have taken magic mushrooms, lsd, lsa, mdma, methylone, valium, weed codeine, sleeping tablets, NOS, speed, ketamine, mescaline and a large handful of legals.

also:

gravitron89:

SNIP
The best way to answer your question (reading between the lines a bit and judging by your list) is by directing you to someone who has said it much better than I ever could.

"Ever since the first couple of times i'd taken it in my early twenties, I'd always maintained a great interest in heroin. SNIP etc

I could answer all your questons, but not on an open forum.

Oh. :( if it did all come from RB. I'll add you and I want answers!

SikOseph:

Wrongo. Some of them aren't chemically addictive.

I tend not to factor in the mentally addictive because for some reason that doesn't affect me.
None of these are one offs by the way. I've taken them all quite a lot and I did feel cravings with cocaine, it wasn't really an addictive feeling, more of a craving. So I stopped, none of the others I've ever been addicted to.

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