paypuh:

PurpleRain:
I would like to fast without sugar in my diet and see if it produces the same results, that being I get turned off it for good.

I did that with soda. Couldn't even stand the smell. Then I turned 21 and started drinking alcohol; you can't have that without soda.

Hmm, so it does work. I basically have done that as I've not drunk Coke and other drinks in ages. Though I do have some carbonated products here and there. I should really stop. Hmm, I love pastries though. Such good taste. I think I can give up all lollies and capitalized food though.

I used to be semi-vegetarian when I was much younger. Only fish and fowl, no red meat.
Then I went to a friend's house, and came home telling my mother about how much tastier the spagetti bolognaise made by my friend's mother was.
We sort of abandoned all pretenses of vegetarianism after that.

I would be interested in becoming a vegetarian again. I mean, I have sometimes gone days without food and suddenly found broccoli delicious. It's just that it's so much easier - both for me and everyone around me - to stay omnivorous.
I don't want people cooking special vegetarian meals specifically for me, you know?

PurpleRain:

paypuh:

PurpleRain:
I would like to fast without sugar in my diet and see if it produces the same results, that being I get turned off it for good.

I did that with soda. Couldn't even stand the smell. Then I turned 21 and started drinking alcohol; you can't have that without soda.

Hmm, so it does work. I basically have done that as I've not drunk Coke and other drinks in ages. Though I do have some carbonated products here and there. I should really stop. Hmm, I love pastries though. Such good taste. I think I can give up all lollies and capitalized food though.

I drank a gallon of distilled water everyday for 6 months in replacement. Besides the soda, tap water will taste like it's being siphoned from a swimming pool.

PurpleRain:
*snip*

Kind of. I like fish... wait, I LOVE FISH! Chicken is ok, pork is terrific.(That has more to do with upbringing though)

Some people are cut out to be vegetarian, some are not. Though some of my other vegetarian friends disagree with me out of principle, I believe that its the proportion of meat in the diet that is important. As far as ethical, economic, environmental, logistical, religious (many religions have different quotes in holy books proscribing vegetarianism - including early bible quotes), and simple dietary requirements are concerned it is better for 3 people to 1/2 their meat intake then 1 person to completely ameliorate meat from their diet.

Its all about how much meat is being eaten as a whole. If we all as a species ate mostly beef their wouldn't be enough arable land to support all the grain for all the cows. Because of simple trophic level physics, unless we make meat production more efficient there simply isn't enough land for every single human to have a meat dominant diet. The proportion of acreage needed to sustain a person on a certain crop or animal/byproduct each year varies upon the specific crop or animal. It gets more complex as we start having arable land producing fuel instead of food thus decreasing the acreage per person of food growing land.

Some people can't be vegetarian at all; they need a meat dominant diet. To those idiots that say we NEED meat, I suggest you talk to some doctors first. It is a convenient and fairly all-encompassing source of protein, but a balanced vegetarian diet can cover those needs as well for some people. Some people cannot eat meat without many negative side effects. To impose your meat eating values on those that choose to abstain or cannot eat meat is every bit as annoying and logically laughable as those that try to impose a complete vegetarian lifestyle on those that don't desire it. Everybody has different dietary, ethical, and economic means and needs. If you can't see a thread on vegetarianism without going "OMG Imma eat 10 cows for every one you don't eat you stupid hippy," you're just an over-reactive idiot that may be as vacuous as the cows you love to eat so much. A similar note to those that react on the other side.

As far as those that say that plants are living beings too, yes they are. However I am going to keep with my bias that a centralized nervous system leads to a bigger capacity for suffering and pain than the rudimentary or nonexistent nervous systems plants may have. Perhaps I am wrong and plants feel the same amount of pain that animals feel but I highly doubt it. In the end it all comes to a principle of minimizing the bad. You can't live without killing something else alive to live currently. However you can choose to inflict less agony and eat lower on the trophic level or at least eat proportionately less.

In the end if you want to make a minor difference- reduction of meat intake in the long term is more effective, and easier to commit to. Some people can't live with it and some can't live without it, but many may get by just fine with less and that would be more beneficial in the long run than a few people trying to reduce their intake entirely.

Satin6T:
and this is my response

I love how you ignored the previous post (which was very well written out and I enjoyed reading and agree with) and posted a childish, boring and old picture. Fantastic. Clicks to you.

While I respect peoples choices to be vegetarian, I don't think I could ever do it myself. I tend not to mind about eating animals, we are animals, animals eat other animals. Also god okay'd it so I've got no problem there either.

I do tend to worry about people that are vegetarian though, mainly because if they don't know what they're doing they could end up doing serious damage to themselves.

Though if they actually take care of themselves and don't throw it in peoples faces, I like the fact they're actually acting on what they believe is right.

badgersprite:
Human rights reasons. Something like 90% of grain produced goes to feeding livestock for meat, which I think is a wasteful cycle, because all that excess could be given to the poor peoples of the world to solve global hunger. Also, because I live in Australia, I think that the damage done to the environment and native animals by irrigation and grazing land is especially pertinent.

right so your even worse than someone who eats meat, you are cruel to animals and want them to suffer and die

here's the thing that "excess" grain as you call it is NEEDED by those animals to live, if they don't get it they starve and die. and that's what you support, making those animals starve to death

VanityGirl:

I'm a big carnivore and although humans are supposed to be herbivores, we can eat whatever we want.

actually no we are NOT supposed to be herbivores. anyone that claims that's true has no idea about biology and anatomy.

if we were supposed to be herbivores we would not have 2 sets of canine teeth (those pointy ones) nor would we have the incisor teeth in the front of our mouths. the only purpose for those teeth are for ripping and tearing flesh

if we were meant to be herbivores we would have all big flat teeth that are good for grinding up our food and nothing for tearing and biting.

Captain_Pineapple:

What I saw inside that box, intently turned me off meat. Not only was it covered in files, but the smell...oh the smell was horrible, and it was a nasty shade of green. Lucky for me I hadn't eaten yet, so I made Mike (my co-worker and fellow cook) throw it out,I had had forever sworn off meat.

if that's all it takes, do you want me to turn you off vegetables and fruit for good as well?

cause all i have to do is the exact same thing, leave them out in the sun for a couple days in a plastic bag and they will smell pretty foul and have flies and maggots crawling out of them.

i'm guessing you've never smelt a compost heap before, it smells as bad as rotting meat. in fact most things smell bad when they rot.

If I were to go vegetarian it would probably be for health reasons. As it is I'm probably eatiing too much red meat.

No one has said that some meats taste so good. Its kind of unhealthy, but it tastes so good.

Sure, some vegetable taste fine. Fruits taste great (especially Apples) But, I try to keep a balanced diet. But my diet always seems to be meat heavy.

cleverlymadeup:
right so your even worse than someone who eats meat, you are cruel to animals and want them to suffer and die

here's the thing that "excess" grain as you call it is NEEDED by those animals to live, if they don't get it they starve and die. and that's what you support, making those animals starve to death

Oh clever, I used to think you were smart. You ever realize that if people stop eating more meat, the companies will produce less animals. Also, cows can eat grass. They don't realize that cows have organs that can break the grass down into protein before it reaches their stomachs. But we feed them grain so it will give them the same amount of protein.

cleverlymadeup:
actually no we are NOT supposed to be herbivores. anyone that claims that's true has no idea about biology and anatomy.

if we were supposed to be herbivores we would not have 2 sets of canine teeth (those pointy ones) nor would we have the incisor teeth in the front of our mouths. the only purpose for those teeth are for ripping and tearing flesh

if we were meant to be herbivores we would have all big flat teeth that are good for grinding up our food and nothing for tearing and biting.

Say, like those ones we have in the back of our mouths? We're omnivores. Even carnivores need to have a balanced diet which they achieve from eating the stomach content of the animals they kill (herbivores usually). An animal cannot only eat meat alone, but can with vegetables. Funny, huh?

cleverlymadeup:
if that's all it takes, do you want me to turn you off vegetables and fruit for good as well?

cause all i have to do is the exact same thing, leave them out in the sun for a couple days in a plastic bag and they will smell pretty foul and have flies and maggots crawling out of them.

i'm guessing you've never smelt a compost heap before, it smells as bad as rotting meat. in fact most things smell bad when they rot.

You realize if you go off fruit or vegetables you'll do yourself so much harm but if you go off meat you can live healthily. Telling someone to stop eating fruit is idiotic unless your some sort of pill supplement company.

I am vegetarian because it makes my girlfriend happy, :).

well im a buddist so it kinda goes with my religion. i hate it though when i go to someone elses house and they are cooking something that smells good with meat in it. it kinda bothers me that im possibly missing out but i think its worth it.

I did it for health related reasons and I don't really agree with the meat industries process.

I'm only sort of a 'half-vegetarian' if you will. Red meat tastes absolutely horrid to me, however I can usually deal with fish. Why is this? I got food poisoning when I was little, nearly died, meat has lost its flavor to me since then.

Sick boy:
I am vegetarian because it makes my girlfriend happy, :).

Oh man, you're perfect for an experiment I want to do. If this is just because of your girlfriend and not because of your own reasons that you may have looked into, how long has it been? And has fasting on meat for this long made you feel differently towards it? Have you been more focused on your diet then before?

ddon:
well im a buddist so it kinda goes with my religion. i hate it though when i go to someone elses house and they are cooking something that smells good with meat in it. it kinda bothers me that im possibly missing out but i think its worth it.

I get that sometimes but then I realize I can do the same... but add something other then meat into it.