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Poll: Death of a 3rd world


what would you do.?
Develop your country into a utopia
62.5% (55)
62.5% (55)
Develop the poor country into a 1st world country
37.5% (33)
37.5% (33)
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Gone Gonzo
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EDIT: In this case your utopia would be richer then all the world put together and stronger then all the world put together.

Ok, you're leader of a 1st world country and you are faced with a choice.
The choice would result in either:
turning your country into a Utopia (Permenantly) but would result in the total destruction of a 3rd world country (Killing millions)
Or:
Developing the 3rd world country into a 1st world country but your country stays the same, neither becoming stronger nor weaker.

Use your imagination to come up with the situation that resulted in this choice arising.

What would you do?

I'd turn my country into a utopia.

Paperboy
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The 3rd world country and/or everyone else's gonna hate us either way, so screw'em.

Gone Gonzo
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Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

I would still save the third world country, because the Sweden has antimatter, and reparations could be costly. (AKA: Boom! /goodbye utopia!)

Gone Gonzo
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Isn't this happening anyway?

Gone Gonzo
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Megawizard:
The 3rd world country and/or everyone else's gonna hate us either way, so screw'em.

Yes, people don't usually like to be helped. Dignity and all that. So i'm with him, screw em.

Gone Gonzo
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Valate:
Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

Just pretend it would for the sake of the topic.

Muckraker
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3rd world country is a 3rd world country. So long as it doesnt supply a vital resource, i say fuckit.

Gone Gonzo
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Demented Teddy:

Valate:
Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

Just pretend it would for the sake of the topic.

But a more competitive market results in more discoveries and economic growth for the company paying me on the side to benefit them. Isn't politics fun?

Pulitzer Laureate
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Depends which third world country? Some i would help some i wouldn't. For example i wouldn't help the Solomon Islands because they are as corrupt as hell.

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 8 Jan 2009

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:
Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

Just pretend it would for the sake of the topic.

But a more competitive market results in more discoveries and economic growth for the company paying me on the side to benefit them. Isn't politics fun?

But your country's utopia would be so advanced you wouldn't need economic growth and you'd be advanced enough to easily make new scientific discoveries.

Gone Gonzo
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ottenni:
Depends which third world country? Some i would help some i wouldn't. For example i wouldn't help the Solomon Islands because they are as corrupt as hell.

As I've said:
"Use your imagination to come up with the situation that resulted in this choice arising."

So it may be any country you want.

Gone Gonzo
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Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:
Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

Just pretend it would for the sake of the topic.

But a more competitive market results in more discoveries and economic growth for the company paying me on the side to benefit them. Isn't politics fun?

But your country's utopia would be so advanced you wouldn't need economic growth and you'd be advanced enough to easily make new scientific discoveries.

Umm, but my corporation is a multinational organization that would benefit more from a better global economy.

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 8 Jan 2009

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:
Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

Just pretend it would for the sake of the topic.

But a more competitive market results in more discoveries and economic growth for the company paying me on the side to benefit them. Isn't politics fun?

But your country's utopia would be so advanced you wouldn't need economic growth and you'd be advanced enough to easily make new scientific discoveries.

Umm, but my corporation is a multinational organization that would benefit more from a better global economy.

Yes, your corporation would benefit and not the country you're in charge of.
That makes you a corrupt leader.

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 16 Sep 2009

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:
Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

Just pretend it would for the sake of the topic.

But a more competitive market results in more discoveries and economic growth for the company paying me on the side to benefit them. Isn't politics fun?

But your country's utopia would be so advanced you wouldn't need economic growth and you'd be advanced enough to easily make new scientific discoveries.

Umm, but my corporation is a multinational organization that would benefit more from a better global economy.

Yes, your corporation would benefit and not the country you're in charge of.
That makes you a corrupt leader.

The funny thing is, more people would benefit from my decision. So it's both morally correct and profitable.

Pulitzer Laureate
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Joined: 13 Aug 2009

Demented Teddy:

ottenni:
Depends which third world country? Some i would help some i wouldn't. For example i wouldn't help the Solomon Islands because they are as corrupt as hell.

As I've said:
"Use your imagination to come up with the situation that resulted in this choice arising."

So it may be any country you want.

In that case Kenya. I love Kenya. And Africa would surely benefit from all the added wealth thrown into the region.

Press Junketeer
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1st world countries are overrated

Just to note Utopias are not even slightly better than 1st world countries the same way as 3rd world.

Utopias are as close to heaven as you can possibly get.

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 8 Jan 2009

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:
Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

Just pretend it would for the sake of the topic.

But a more competitive market results in more discoveries and economic growth for the company paying me on the side to benefit them. Isn't politics fun?

But your country's utopia would be so advanced you wouldn't need economic growth and you'd be advanced enough to easily make new scientific discoveries.

Umm, but my corporation is a multinational organization that would benefit more from a better global economy.

Yes, your corporation would benefit and not the country you're in charge of.
That makes you a corrupt leader.

The funny thing is, more people would benefit from my decision. So it's both morally correct and profitable.

This is all made up so.....I guess it's your made up Earth.

Gone Gonzo
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heyheysg:
1st world countries are overrated

Just to note Utopias are not even slightly better than 1st world countries the same way as 3rd world.

Utopias are as close to heaven as you can possibly get.

'Paradise Lost'. Just throwing it out there.

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 16 Sep 2009

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:
Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

Just pretend it would for the sake of the topic.

But a more competitive market results in more discoveries and economic growth for the company paying me on the side to benefit them. Isn't politics fun?

But your country's utopia would be so advanced you wouldn't need economic growth and you'd be advanced enough to easily make new scientific discoveries.

Umm, but my corporation is a multinational organization that would benefit more from a better global economy.

Yes, your corporation would benefit and not the country you're in charge of.
That makes you a corrupt leader.

The funny thing is, more people would benefit from my decision. So it's both morally correct and profitable.

This is all made up so.....I guess it's your made up Earth.

Actually, that would be a wise venture in modern day Earth, and as a bonus, we would get good publicity for not curbstomping a random 3rd world country.

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 1735
Joined: 8 Jan 2009

Valate:

heyheysg:
1st world countries are overrated

Just to note Utopias are not even slightly better than 1st world countries the same way as 3rd world.

Utopias are as close to heaven as you can possibly get.

'Paradise Lost'. Just throwing it out there.

Was that a black and white animated movie?

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 16 Sep 2009

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

heyheysg:
1st world countries are overrated

Just to note Utopias are not even slightly better than 1st world countries the same way as 3rd world.

Utopias are as close to heaven as you can possibly get.

'Paradise Lost'. Just throwing it out there.

Was that a black and white animated movie?

...No, it was a book pointing out that a Utopia/Heaven would be really, really, really boring.

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 1735
Joined: 8 Jan 2009

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:
Utopias never pan out economically. No, really. I'd develop the other country so my country has a new market and becomes more competitive.

Just pretend it would for the sake of the topic.

But a more competitive market results in more discoveries and economic growth for the company paying me on the side to benefit them. Isn't politics fun?

But your country's utopia would be so advanced you wouldn't need economic growth and you'd be advanced enough to easily make new scientific discoveries.

Umm, but my corporation is a multinational organization that would benefit more from a better global economy.

Yes, your corporation would benefit and not the country you're in charge of.
That makes you a corrupt leader.

The funny thing is, more people would benefit from my decision. So it's both morally correct and profitable.

This is all made up so.....I guess it's your made up Earth.

Actually, that would be a wise venture in modern day Earth, and as a bonus, we would get good publicity for not curbstomping a random 3rd world country.

Fine, watch for a change in the OP.

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 1735
Joined: 8 Jan 2009

Valate:

Demented Teddy:

Valate:

heyheysg:
1st world countries are overrated

Just to note Utopias are not even slightly better than 1st world countries the same way as 3rd world.

Utopias are as close to heaven as you can possibly get.

'Paradise Lost'. Just throwing it out there.

Was that a black and white animated movie?

...No, it was a book pointing out that a Utopia/Heaven would be really, really, really boring.

DAMN!
I need to find the name of that movie.

Paperboy
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This is a trick question, as Utopias can't exist. So of course I'd go with elevating the 3rd World nation.

On the Record
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Demented Teddy:
Developing the 3rd world country into a 1st world country but your country stays the same, neither becoming stronger nor weaker.

I realize you probably see this as "halting self-progress." I see it as "protection from the vagaries of time."

Hell yeah, I'll develop a third-world country to the first world, if it means total guarantee that my country will remain as good off as it is now!

Gone Gonzo
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NeutralDrow:

Demented Teddy:
Developing the 3rd world country into a 1st world country but your country stays the same, neither becoming stronger nor weaker.

I realize you probably see this as "halting sef-progress." I see it as "protection from the vagaries of time."

Hell yeah, I'll develop a third-world country to the first world, if it means total guarantee that my country will remain as good off as it is now!

It would become more powerful, because another market for your countries to sell in/compete with means Profit!

Beat Writer
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Utopia. In this hypothetical situation the utopia is permanent so I think an ever lasting paradise is worth the sacrifice of a few million people.

Copy Clerk
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Go big or go home. Utopia all the way.

Gone Gonzo
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LoL I see what you did there, talking about the USA wasting their time and money on the rest of the world... ;)

Gone Gonzo
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I'd uplift the third world country,because i live in a sort of one myself. I understand that those people would really appreciate that and would become our best friends.

In short,Screw Utopia,I Want To Help The Helpless!

Plus,utopias larger than five/ten thousand people always come with strings attached. ALWAYS.

Gone Gonzo
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Save the poor guys of course! If I up their life-standard, the entire world will end up having the same one. Which means that inevitably, we'll all become richer together.

Beat Writer
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So, I can make another country better at no expense, or I can make my country better, but at the cost of millions of lives... that's not a hard decision at all.

I'll help the 3rd-worlders.

Gone Gonzo
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Demented Teddy:
EDIT: Utopia now means: A country richer then all the world put together and stronger then all the world put together.

That's the worse definition of Utopia that I've ever heard. It says nothing about the state of that country, all the wealth could, and probably would be, in the hands of a few people so everyone else could be poor.

I think this merely goes further towards showing that there's no such thing as Utopia.

Also, in what way would destroying a poor, impoverished nation of absolutely no value ever come close to making your country the most rich and powerful? I mean, maybe if there was some sorta natural resource native to that country, but when it that ever going to realistically happen?

Gone Gonzo
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Valate:
I would still save the third world country, because the Sweden has antimatter, and reparations could be costly. (AKA: Boom! /goodbye utopia!)

Do you have any idea how long it would take to produce enough antimatter to destroy even a city block? A loooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooong time. There isn't even enough antimatter in the world today to do so now. It's be easier take over a nation with an army of spoon wielding conscripts.

Gone Gonzo
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Suiseiseki IRL:

Valate:
I would still save the third world country, because the Sweden has antimatter, and reparations could be costly. (AKA: Boom! /goodbye utopia!)

Do you have any idea how long it would take to produce enough antimatter to destroy even a city block? A loooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooong time. There isn't even enough antimatter in the world today to do so now. It's be easier take over a nation with an army of spoon wielding conscripts.

I'll trust Nicks math over yours. HAH!

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