There is almost no area where the Abrahamic tradition makes a falsifiable claim about the nature of the universe, which isn't directly contradicted by modern science. Germ theory, astrophysics, and geology all differ sharply with holy books of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Evolution is no more scientifically controversial than any of these other topics. However, none of these areas of science are under constant attack by the religious community, the way that evolutionary biology is.

Why?

Buddy, don't do topics like this. Some people don't believe the same things as you do, and that's fine.

Flame-fest will commence within three posts if this isn't locked.

And yes, I bumped this hoping to see one - it's like waiting for the bomb to detonate in Counter-Strike, before the CT's can get to it. The anticipation!

I personally think my faith(christianity) and science intersect pretty well, but arguing that here is like trying to argue with a twilight fan girl that edward is creepy. So why bother eh.

chances are you might find one person who doesnt beleave in evolution on here and like 5-10 trolls who will argue it to be stupid

Well, beacuse we have faith my son, faith.

You need it, faith and hope are the only things making us seperate from the bad guys.

Now i dont really belive in the Evolution theory, or the the other creation/how we were made theories, and mainly Evolution is attacked because it pretty much destroys whatever faith/ideas the religioous communities have. If Evolution is ever 100% solved, then it would be a giant blow to the religions of the world. It wouldnt disprove God, but would make it highley unlikley.

Alos, this could turn bad.

Atheist/anti-theist here.

Because it directly threatens the concept of how religions think the world was created and it offers the idea that maybe we aren't as special as we think we are. I also hear people say that they can't believe they came from apes. Just look at a Chihuahua, they are descended from wolves and they barely resemble them.

OK, if the consensus is that this question was asked badly, such that it will absolutely become a flame fest, is there a better way to ask it? I admit, that my wording is loaded, so maybe somebody could help me rephrase this question to be more civil.

I honestly don't understand the phenomenon, and I would like to.

sneakypenguin:
I personally think my faith(christianity) and science intersect pretty well

Agreed. Why there is a conflict is beyond me.

Oh boy. These threads always go well.

Snack Cake:
OK, if the consensus is that this question was asked badly, such that it will absolutely become a flame fest, is there a better way to ask it? I admit, that my wording is loaded, so maybe somebody could help me rephrase this question to be more civil.

I honestly don't understand the phenomenon, and I would like to.

There's not really any way to do this properly. People get really touchy when it comes to this, you'd be better off taking it to a forum that focuses on religion 'n stuff.

Friendly Word of advice. Don't start religious or VS. Threads, they will only spark a flame war and get you precariously close to being banned, or getting someone else banned.

Cakes:
Buddy, don't do topics like this. Some people don't believe the same things as you do, and that's fine.

Yes, and some people are willing to talk about it. Shutting out any request to talk about it by automatically claiming that nobody can be civil while doing so is only helping to alienate two already self-seperating demographics.

Snack Cake:
OK, if the consensus is that this question was asked badly, such that it will absolutely become a flame fest, is there a better way to ask it? I admit, that my wording is loaded, so maybe somebody could help me rephrase this question to be more civil.

I honestly don't understand the phenomenon, and I would like to.

EH your question is fine its just here you have the the religion bashers who go out of their way to prove those with a faith wrong. Honestly there are probably only a handful of people who reject evolution (myself included) so it's like jumping into a shark tank with a bloody wound. And then the flame wars start.

sneakypenguin:
I personally think my faith(christianity) and science intersect pretty well, but arguing that here is like trying to argue with a twilight fan girl that edward is creepy. So why bother eh.

Totally off-topic, but a way to piss off a Twilight fan girl is to tell them the actor that played Edward is homosexual in real life. It's true, and they totally flip shit.
OT: I don't know what I believe in, really.

dragon_of_red:
Now i dont really belive in the Evolution theory, or the the other creation/how we were made theories, and mainly Evolution is attacked because it pretty much destroys whatever faith/ideas the religioous communities have. If Evolution is ever 100% solved, then it would be a giant blow to the religions of the world. It wouldnt disprove God, but would make it highley unlikley.

See, that's where you're wrong. Evolution doesn't destroy any religious beliefs at all. Plenty of religious people agree that evolution just gets into the specifics of how *insert deity here* made this mess work. Evolution already is pretty much "100% solved", as you put it, and it doesn't disprove God in the slightest. It makes absolutely no comment on the existence or lack thereof of any sort of Deity.

Cakes:

sneakypenguin:
I personally think my faith(christianity) and science intersect pretty well

Agreed. Why there is a conflict is beyond me.

I presume that you don't see a conflict because you are able to take the factual claims in the Bible as largely metaphorical / not literal. I can understand a blanket policy that allows for science and religion to be separate spheres. But this gets back to my original question. Why do many religious people accept some science that contradicts their religion, but not other parts? For example, there are few (I suspect) American Christians who reject germ theory in favor of belief in demonic possession, but there are many who reject evolution in favor of creation.

JimmyBassatti:

sneakypenguin:
I personally think my faith(christianity) and science intersect pretty well, but arguing that here is like trying to argue with a twilight fan girl that edward is creepy. So why bother eh.

Totally off-topic, but a way to piss off a Twilight fan girl is to tell them the actor that played Edward is homosexual in real life. It's true, and they totally flip shit.
OT: I don't know what I believe in, really.

I always just point out an interview where the director guys(idk who) had to make him shower because he only showered like twice a week. Seriously the guy looks like a hobo sometimes.

Deshara:
Yes, and some people are willing to talk about it. Shutting out any request to talk about it by automatically claiming that nobody can be civil while doing so is only helping to alienate two already self-seperating demographics.

Sorry, but it's true. These topics, while pretty interesting, just never seem to fly here. It'd be nice if it could, but I only see this ending in a horrific blood-bath. If it doesn't I owe you a Coke.

well, there's all sorts of proof for evolution, I'm not really sure why people still dispute it.

Snack Cake:

Cakes:

sneakypenguin:
I personally think my faith(christianity) and science intersect pretty well

Agreed. Why there is a conflict is beyond me.

I presume that you don't see a conflict because you are able to take the factual claims in the Bible as largely metaphorical / not literal. I can understand a blanket policy that allows for science and religion to be separate spheres. But this gets back to my original question. Why do many religious people accept some science that contradicts their religion, but not other parts? For example, there are few (I suspect) American Christians who reject germ theory in favor of belief in demonic possession, but there are many who reject evolution in favor of creation.

Actually I would be one to take the Bible literally. Usually the people who actually follow a belief, will take whatever is said in their respective scriptures. It's just most people only passively follow something or its more of a social/support thing.

Cakes:

dragon_of_red:
Now i dont really belive in the Evolution theory, or the the other creation/how we were made theories, and mainly Evolution is attacked because it pretty much destroys whatever faith/ideas the religioous communities have. If Evolution is ever 100% solved, then it would be a giant blow to the religions of the world. It wouldnt disprove God, but would make it highley unlikley.

See, that's where you're wrong. Evolution doesn't destroy any religious beliefs at all. Plenty of religious people agree that evolution just gets into the specifics of how *insert deity here* made this mess work. Evolution already is pretty much "100% solved", as you put it, and it doesn't disprove God in the slightest. It makes absolutely no comment on the existence or lack thereof of any sort of Deity.

Well, i cant talk for any other religions other than my own, Christian by the way... may be able to do the Jewish one since its kind of the same story. If Evolution is right, it pretty much makes the Genesis and Garden Of Eden story, make no sense what so ever and pretty much ruins the core beliefs of 2 religions. Doesnt disprove him, just makes your God look like a little wuss who cant do as much and heaven will be a bust.

Cakes:

Deshara:
Yes, and some people are willing to talk about it. Shutting out any request to talk about it by automatically claiming that nobody can be civil while doing so is only helping to alienate two already self-seperating demographics.

Sorry, but it's true. These topics, while pretty interesting, just never seem to fly here. It'd be nice if it could, but I only see this ending in a horrific blood-bath. If it doesn't I owe you a Coke.

I'm not especially attached to this account, so if it ends badly, I'll just watch my ZP without logging in, and live out my life in exile. That really isn't my intention though.

Cakes:

Deshara:
Yes, and some people are willing to talk about it. Shutting out any request to talk about it by automatically claiming that nobody can be civil while doing so is only helping to alienate two already self-seperating demographics.

Sorry, but it's true. These topics, while pretty interesting, just never seem to fly here. It'd be nice if it could, but I only see this ending in a horrific blood-bath. If it doesn't I owe you a Coke.

Of course there will always be flaming, but if you expect and openly claim there will be nothing but flame, then you are setting up a self-fulfilling prophecy. I just figure why not shut up about how there will be flaming, ignore the flames as best we can and see if we can snuff it out with a decent conversation, if one is started. If nobody responds with anything worthwhile, then let the thread die, but if someone gives something that a discussion can be started on, we should work with that, and if it turns into flaming, move on to somebody else who's willing to discuss it until there's nothing left to do but let it die.

dragon_of_red:
Well, beacuse we have faith my son, faith.

You need it, faith and hope are the only things making us seperate from the bad guys.

Now i dont really belive in the Evolution theory, or the the other creation/how we were made theories, and mainly Evolution is attacked because it pretty much destroys whatever faith/ideas the religioous communities have. If Evolution is ever 100% solved, then it would be a giant blow to the religions of the world. It wouldnt disprove God, but would make it highley unlikley.

Alos, this could turn bad.

Why would it be a huge blow to the religious communities. The origin of species has never stated that God or any other deity is false/ true. In fact, Pope Pius XII stated that while he doesn't view evolution as being correct, it does not conflict with religious views. In case you're not catholic, made that statement in 1950.

And to look at the second comment you made, that is just stupid. Why would a Taliban soldier have less faith than a US Soldier? Why does an atheist have less faith than a creationist? The truth is, they don't.

I've spoken with some people like this. From what I can understand, most of them are just abhorred by the fact that man and hominids are related.

I dunno,really. The Universe in it's entirety may well have been created by some kind of deity - we don't know what was there before the Big Bang,do we? Evolution is probably a natural process,but the existence of the Universe itself may not be accidential.

Most religious people probably dislike the concept because it's a blow to their fundamental beliefs. Even if the Universe was in fact kick-started by someone abstract,certain people will still insist that anything and everything is hand-sculpted by their God.

dragon_of_red:

Cakes:

dragon_of_red:
Now i dont really belive in the Evolution theory, or the the other creation/how we were made theories, and mainly Evolution is attacked because it pretty much destroys whatever faith/ideas the religioous communities have. If Evolution is ever 100% solved, then it would be a giant blow to the religions of the world. It wouldnt disprove God, but would make it highley unlikley.

See, that's where you're wrong. Evolution doesn't destroy any religious beliefs at all. Plenty of religious people agree that evolution just gets into the specifics of how *insert deity here* made this mess work. Evolution already is pretty much "100% solved", as you put it, and it doesn't disprove God in the slightest. It makes absolutely no comment on the existence or lack thereof of any sort of Deity.

Well, i cant talk for any other religions other than my own, Christian by the way... may be able to do the Jewish one since its kind of the same story. If Evolution is right, it pretty much makes the Genesis and Garden Of Eden story, make no sense what so ever and pretty much ruins the core beliefs of 2 religions. Doesnt disprove him, just makes your God look like a little wuss who cant do as much and heaven will be a bust.

Evolution does however contradict the religous texts. While science can't prove that some omnipotent being hasn't done everything it can prove that the 'evidence' or stories that coincide or support their 'faith' are incorrect. So you can throw it to the wind and say that it doesent disprove your god, however I believe that to believe in a religion you must accept its texts. Otherwise its more of your own spiritual beliefs than a religion.

sheic99:
Why does an atheist have less faith than a creationist? The truth is, they don't.

I'm sorry, what?

sheic99:

Why would it be a huge blow to the religious communities. The origin of species has never stated that God or any other deity is false/ true. In fact, Pope Pius XII stated that while he doesn't view evolution as being correct, it does not conflict with religious views. In case you're not catholic, made that statement in 1950.

And to look at the second comment you made, that is just stupid. Why would a Taliban soldier have less faith than a US Soldier? Why does an atheist have less faith than a creationist? The truth is, they don't.

Well, read my post above this somewhere and i answer your first thing.

And the Faith thing was a joke, get it, a joke, calm down.

sneakypenguin:
I personally think my faith(christianity) and science intersect pretty well, but arguing that here is like trying to argue with a twilight fan girl that edward is creepy. So why bother eh.

You mean trying to argue with a Twilight fan.

What interesting is that I don't think the theory of evolution would bother any fundamental Christian groups NEARLY as much if the whole "humans and apes shared a common ancestor" issue was never raised. I think THAT'S their main cause for upset over anything else.

But that's just my humble view, all. I really couldn't say what the real root of it is: Christianity is a worldview, like all religions and cultural philosophies, but science is science.

dragon_of_red:

And the Faith thing was a joke, get it, a joke, calm down.

Poe's Law strikes again.

I like how everyone's falling over each other declaring that this is going to be a flame war in 0.0000001 seconds, and the vast majority of the actual discussion on evolution v. religion so far has been between Atheists that are commenting because they saw "believe" and "evolution" in the thread title, and Christians that want people to know that science doesn't have any conflict at all with Christianity.

Cakes:

Snack Cake:
OK, if the consensus is that this question was asked badly, such that it will absolutely become a flame fest, is there a better way to ask it? I admit, that my wording is loaded, so maybe somebody could help me rephrase this question to be more civil.

I honestly don't understand the phenomenon, and I would like to.

There's not really any way to do this properly. People get really touchy when it comes to this, you'd be better off taking it to a forum that focuses on religion 'n stuff.

The fact that some people here get touchy is not a reason for the rest of us to self-censor.