I'm confused why do people hate Ronald Reagan?

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we discussed Reagan for like a week in school last year, it was tough for my teacher because he hated his fucking guts and isn't allowed to speak his opinion outside of "I didn't like him"

He's the father of modern republicanism, end-o story.

Liberals want someone to blame other than themselves.
So they call Reagan crazy.
Even though several of their own party as well as others caused what is occurring right now

The overall scope of the Regan years were ones in which we comforted ourselves by spending ourselves under the table. As such, Regan is perceived by shallow-minded individuals as one heck of a sugar daddy who made his voters very comfortable.

However, it became clear to anyone who was really paying attention that it was all just smoke and mirrors, things were readily descending into shambles as the rich got richer. This shouldn't surprise you when the president's background was being an actor.

Love of Regan is a reason why America is slowly disowning its capability to be a democracy. When people vote with their hearts and not their minds, the result is an easy con of an entire country.

Modern Republicans try to follow in Reagan's footsteps as much as possible. Not only does it make their rich friends richer, but they know how this confidence trick works, and they've ensnared a good amount of America in it. Unfortunately for them, we simply can't afford it as well as we could in Regan's time, and that's why it's failed lately. Party time is over, and it's grimly clear that we'll be paying the piper for decades.

There's a split in the Republican party these days as they warm up to that idea. Gives me a bit of hope that America may finally be taking responsibility. It's been a few decades though - really, most of Regan's tricks can be seen employed by Nixon as well - change isn't easy.

He had absolutely nothing to do with the economy righting itself, and in fact his economic policies were about giving money to the rich and hoping/praying it would trickle down into all people's pockets. It didn't work for Coolidge/Hoover, and it didn't work this time. The gap between rich and poor became wider than it had ever been in the history of humanity under his leadership.
He practiced brinkmanship with the USSR, which, if good old Gorby had half the balls/craziness of his predecessors, would have ended the world within a couple fucking weeks.
He was the person who lead the Republicans away from being anti-government and becoming the bible-thumping die-hard morons. He's the one who started the whole 'faith and family values' being an integral part of the presidential running policies. Basically, he's pretty much to blame for the Tea Parties and Sarah Palin in current events.
I wish he died of Alzheimer's while still in his fucking presidency. The world would be so much better without the shit he pulled.

Mcupobob:
I can understand if you dislike the man, but from what I learned about him he did a pretty good job as president. I will admite mabey it was just propagada they were teaching at school, but I don't really see anything he did bad. His fixed the ecomey in the 80's "During Jimmy Carter's last year in office (1980), inflation averaged 12.5%, compared to 4.4% during Reagan's last year in office (1988).Over those eight years, the unemployment rate declined from 7.5% to 5.3%, hitting highs of 9.7% (1982) and 9.6% (1983) and averaging 7.5% during Reagan's administration."
Persued personaly freedom for the people and try to make us less rreliant on the goverment. Quiltys I both like, nowif people can give a vaild reason for why he did a bad job then I will reconsider my take on him.

Are you asking for opinions from people who lived through the Reagan era or those who are only just now learning about it? Not to make a comparison but people look back these days with admiration at what Genghis Kahn did. I'm too young to comment, (I was only 15 when Reagan was bombing Libya. I remember people calling him 'Ray-Gun' and the years when he seemed to lose his mind or fall asleep a lot), but there must have been a reason someone tried to assassinate him right?

TailsRodrigez:

Mcupobob:
I can understand if you dislike the man, but from what I learned about him he did a pretty good job as president. I will admite mabey it was just propagada they were teaching at school, but I don't really see anything he did bad. His fixed the ecomey in the 80's "During Jimmy Carter's last year in office (1980), inflation averaged 12.5%, compared to 4.4% during Reagan's last year in office (1988).Over those eight years, the unemployment rate declined from 7.5% to 5.3%, hitting highs of 9.7% (1982) and 9.6% (1983) and averaging 7.5% during Reagan's administration."
Persued personaly freedom for the people and try to make us less rreliant on the goverment. Quiltys I both like, nowif people can give a vaild reason for why he did a bad job then I will reconsider my take on him.

Al Quaeda
not mentioning AIDS until 7 years after it began
economy got fucked up after he left(used similar policies used before the Great Depression)
Drug policies didn't really change drug use but resulted in prison overcrowding
Nuclear Proliferation
Afganistan after Soviets stopped trying
lead to current ecomic policies
iran contra
lack of an energy policy
supporting dictators
...and he was still far superior to current republicans

Hmmmmmmm, I do not know what I can add to this. Good show Rodrigez!

"people" hate reagan because the internet, and particularly this site, is filled with democrats.

joshthor:
"people" hate reagan because the internet, and particularly this site, is filled with democrats.

Yes, because only a Democrat would hate a man who gave two warring factions nuclear weapons and took out Non-Democratic governments and replaced them with dictators. Or I could just hate him because he was a f*cking ass-wipe.

He proved that conservative social and fiscal policies work. Liberals hate that.

floppylobster:

Mcupobob:
I can understand if you dislike the man, but from what I learned about him he did a pretty good job as president. I will admite mabey it was just propagada they were teaching at school, but I don't really see anything he did bad. His fixed the ecomey in the 80's "During Jimmy Carter's last year in office (1980), inflation averaged 12.5%, compared to 4.4% during Reagan's last year in office (1988).Over those eight years, the unemployment rate declined from 7.5% to 5.3%, hitting highs of 9.7% (1982) and 9.6% (1983) and averaging 7.5% during Reagan's administration."
Persued personaly freedom for the people and try to make us less rreliant on the goverment. Quiltys I both like, nowif people can give a vaild reason for why he did a bad job then I will reconsider my take on him.

Are you asking for opinions from people who lived through the Reagan era or those who are only just now learning about it? Not to make a comparison but people look back these days with admiration at what Genghis Kahn did. I'm too young to comment, (I was only 15 when Reagan was bombing Libya. I remember people calling him 'Ray-Gun' and the years when he seemed to lose his mind or fall asleep a lot), but there must have been a reason someone tried to assassinate him right?

someone assassinated abe lincoln - someone who really didnt deserve it, so saying someone tried to assassinate reagan doesnt really mean anything.

Iran-Contra, him funding the Taliban, terrible economic policies and lack of actual meaningful quotes. I have a bunch of conservative friends on Facebook who worship the man like he's the next Jesus or something. Reagan's no Oscar Wilde...to say the least.

yoshimickster:

TailsRodrigez:

Mcupobob:
I can understand if you dislike the man, but from what I learned about him he did a pretty good job as president. I will admite mabey it was just propagada they were teaching at school, but I don't really see anything he did bad. His fixed the ecomey in the 80's "During Jimmy Carter's last year in office (1980), inflation averaged 12.5%, compared to 4.4% during Reagan's last year in office (1988).Over those eight years, the unemployment rate declined from 7.5% to 5.3%, hitting highs of 9.7% (1982) and 9.6% (1983) and averaging 7.5% during Reagan's administration."
Persued personaly freedom for the people and try to make us less rreliant on the goverment. Quiltys I both like, nowif people can give a vaild reason for why he did a bad job then I will reconsider my take on him.

Al Quaeda
not mentioning AIDS until 7 years after it began
economy got fucked up after he left(used similar policies used before the Great Depression)
Drug policies didn't really change drug use but resulted in prison overcrowding
Nuclear Proliferation
Afganistan after Soviets stopped trying
lead to current ecomic policies
iran contra
lack of an energy policy
supporting dictators
...and he was still far superior to current republicans

Hmmmmmmm, I do not know what I can add to this. Good show Rodrigez!

oh, there is more, but i can't remember it.

yoshimickster:

joshthor:
"people" hate reagan because the internet, and particularly this site, is filled with democrats.

Yes, because only a Democrat would hate a man who gave two warring factions nuclear weapons and took out Non-Democratic governments and replaced them with dictators. Or I could just hate him because he was a f*cking ass-wipe.

hey, criticize him, but lets avoid insults

Eukaryote:
he put pressure on the U.S.S.R. by producing large amounts of nuclear warheads. Seriously, WTF?

The Nuclear arms race helped bankrupt the Soviet Union, and both sides knew quite well that their side would never fire first...

Kind of like all that nerve gas I may or may not have stockpiled in my basement, I know that I'll never use it (If I had any) but it's reassuring that I have it there, just in case...

I love Reagan! He's a great actor. He acted as president for eight years! Kill me please.

joshthor:

floppylobster:

Mcupobob:
I can understand if you dislike the man, but from what I learned about him he did a pretty good job as president. I will admite mabey it was just propagada they were teaching at school, but I don't really see anything he did bad. His fixed the ecomey in the 80's "During Jimmy Carter's last year in office (1980), inflation averaged 12.5%, compared to 4.4% during Reagan's last year in office (1988).Over those eight years, the unemployment rate declined from 7.5% to 5.3%, hitting highs of 9.7% (1982) and 9.6% (1983) and averaging 7.5% during Reagan's administration."
Persued personaly freedom for the people and try to make us less rreliant on the goverment. Quiltys I both like, nowif people can give a vaild reason for why he did a bad job then I will reconsider my take on him.

Are you asking for opinions from people who lived through the Reagan era or those who are only just now learning about it? Not to make a comparison but people look back these days with admiration at what Genghis Kahn did. I'm too young to comment, (I was only 15 when Reagan was bombing Libya. I remember people calling him 'Ray-Gun' and the years when he seemed to lose his mind or fall asleep a lot), but there must have been a reason someone tried to assassinate him right?

someone assassinated abe lincoln - someone who really didnt deserve it, so saying someone tried to assassinate reagan doesnt really mean anything.

I looked it up the guy who tried to assassinate him was supposedly insane so I guess he really didn't have a reason. But I think my other point about the distance of time in assessing someone's accomplishments is still valid. I guess I just brought it up those other things to highlight how easy it is to be selective in how you judge him. And while the orignal poster brings up some of his positive points, he's not giving us a full picture of his term as president (if he did, he'd most likely understand why some people didn't like him). Anyway, like I said, I'm really too young to comment on actually living through the Reagan era (and I wasn't living in the US at the time).

I'm not entirely sure about current opinions of the man in the US, so I'll stick to the things I've noted from here in New zealand.
He's seen as a "cowboy" politician; lacking in foreign policy experience and acting out of misdirected patriotism. Note when I say "patriotism" I mean that very particular brand of American patriotism seemingly synonmous with conservative imperialism.
While his time in office did result in overall gains for the US, the economy sharply declined after his term (he enacted policies similar to the ones used just before the Great Depression), and his Cold War stance is seen as being a step backward for US foreign policy similar to the aggressive actions taken by Truman at the beginning of the Cold War period.
He is often named responsible for the end of the Cold War, however I disagree. During reagan's time in office, Gorbachev's Soviet Union was suffering economically, and more than willing to move toward peaceful negotiations. Reagan acted in a similar way to Truman, initiating outdated political tactics that risked increasing hostilities at a time when peace was paramount to America's economic success.

Ironic how the nationalists you fund today will turn against you in 20 years. He was a pretty decent president IMO.

Mcupobob:
I can understand if you dislike the man, but from what I learned about him he did a pretty good job as president. I will admite mabey it was just propagada they were teaching at school, but I don't really see anything he did bad. His fixed the ecomey in the 80's "During Jimmy Carter's last year in office (1980), inflation averaged 12.5%, compared to 4.4% during Reagan's last year in office (1988).Over those eight years, the unemployment rate declined from 7.5% to 5.3%, hitting highs of 9.7% (1982) and 9.6% (1983) and averaging 7.5% during Reagan's administration."
Persued personaly freedom for the people and try to make us less rreliant on the goverment. Quiltys I both like, nowif people can give a vaild reason for why he did a bad job then I will reconsider my take on him.

Cough * Oliver North, Iran Contra Scandal* Cough
Cough * Creation of Taliban in Afghanistan* Cough

The economy under Carter was a result of the Iranian Revolution driving oil shortages and price hikes. His presidency was marred by world events that were out of his control (Russian invasion of Afghanistan, Iranian take-over of the American embassy which includes a botched rescue attempt, and a worldwide recession not unlike that which Obama is dealing with).

Reagan was a lot better than the Bush Presidencies, but it is questionable that Ronald was actually in charge. His health condition was not favourable and was hidden from the public.

However, I might add that the Reagan presidency did renew a strong positive National identity for Americans (even though it was not as well received by the rest of the world).

floppylobster:
... but there must have been a reason someone tried to assassinate him right?

It was to attempt to continue the 20 year curse. Every president elected on a multiple of 20 (ie. 1880, 1900, 1920, 1940, etc) since 1840, has been assassinated or died in office... until Reagan broke that curse by surviving.

Editorial: Almost a shame because we might not have had to endure Dubbeyah for as long as we did...

Reagan is not cool because liberalism and socialism are the hip political viewpoints right now. You know the things that all the cool MTV kids are talking about. Reagan is not a liberal and therefore people hate him.

I really wish I could offer a better line of reasoning, but sadly that's what you have to work with here.

Edit:

floppylobster:
but there must have been a reason someone tried to assassinate him right?

Yes, there was a reason. The man who did it, John Hinckley Jr., was trying to impress Jodie Foster. No, really, that was the reason. Look it up.

Pyromaniac1337:
Because he took credit for ending the Cold War. Reagan did jack shit to finally end it, it was the Hungarians and the Poles that brought the USSR down.

No..... The USSR collapsed because the system pretty much discouraged working hard resulting in the majority of Russian workers to stop working and do illegal jobs causing the Soviet union to have no funding :P.

the contra war? I read somewhere that reagan technically committed treason, but im sure he also pissed off alot of liberals. From a historical pov he was a cool enuff guy; thatcher gets a bigger rap tbh

Worgen:
And Kennedy "walked the brink of nuclear extincion and refused to blink" much more then reagan did during the cuban missle crisis.

HA. AHHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHA Seriously? I hate to break it to you but Kennedy CAUSED the Cuban Missile Crisis. If there's a president that really deserves shit it is this man. Kennedy was a moron and a much worse president than Reagan.

OT: Honestly I always thought Reagan was a pretty good president. He did a lot of good things for the country. His economic policy was meant as a short term solution to the steady decline of the United States, not a long term fix. He gets a lot of hate because he's really the only Republican of note whom people liked, and still like, except for ol' Abe himself. And you really can't make fun of Lincoln.

Regan is the prototype for what current Republicans aspire to be.

Therefore, Democrats have to hate him. If comitted Democreats liked Ronald Regan than their ideology would kind of fall apart, so they have to find reasons that he was a bad president.

Same thing happens on both sides. Republicans are just as guilty when the shoe is switched.

When you subscribe to an ideology you have to change history to match what you currently believe.

It's more rare than you think that adults actually learn about the facts of why things happen and adapt their worldviews to reflect the new data. Instead, many people are much more comfortable having a rigid worldview and changing history to match that ideology.

One word: Reaganomics. You know all those financial problems that exist in our country? The huge gap between the rich and the poor? The fact that the poor stay poor and the rich get richer? Remember how we used to have this whole 'American Dream' about being able to get wealthy (or at least comfortable) based on good old fashioned hard work and American ingenuity? Yeah, being able to pretty much blame the downfall of the American dream on Reaganomics makes it pretty easy for people to dislike Reagan. Not to mention the absurd level to which some conservatives worship the guy. He wasn't a BAD President, he just created lasting and possibly irreconcilable economic problems for America.

Not to mention he almost caused the end of the world as we know it. Lucky thing the USSR self-destructed when it did. He gets most of the credit for that, despite the fact that he was really only in the right place at the right time.

Republicans are in love with the fact that he didn't totally destroy the country, and he was just some cowboy actor with a soothing southern drawl.

As a non-American, I don't see Reagan as particularly bad or particularly good. Everything went mostly okay, couple of scandals just like any president, and so on.

He's often strongly championed for two things I think rather dubious.

Firstly, he probably doesn't deserve a huge amount of credit for the collapse of the USSR. The USSR had been failing economically and politically long before Reagan, although I think he nudged them down a bit faster. He achieved considerable economic growth, but he could be docked marks when the wealth gap increased hugely and social mobility decreased. He was also responsible for the massive debt the USA had even before the bail out, as he cut taxes and increased spending.

All in all, a few plusses, few minuses from my point of view.

Whispering Death:
Regan is the prototype for what current Republicans aspire to be.

Therefore, Democrats have to hate him. If comitted Democreats liked Ronald Regan than their ideology would kind of fall apart, so they have to find reasons that he was a bad president.

Sorry man, but this is a load of shite and typical of the responses given by both sides in the liberal vs conservative arguments today, both of which are based more on emotional response than logical thought processes and critical thinking. The rest of your post practically admitted as such and proved what I'm saying.

I'm disgusted by the political system in the US today. We're being led today by, for the most part, a bunch of snot-nosed brats born into privilege, who then enter "public service" where they continue to earn huge paychecks and enjoy excellent health care while having playground fights instead of practicing politics as it should be...listening to constituents and compromising for the betterment of the society. Instead we get party loyalty, which helps nobody but the politicians, and we citizens eat the entire shit pie up and ask for seconds.

EClaris:
Because after the Bush's Republicans aren't cool anymore so people hate him.

And honestly, Reagan is not to blame for the economic shit storm thats going on right now.

Except that he's to blame for Bush being in the White House in the first place, sure. >>

Clinton had to help correct the mistakes of HW Bush, who was elected after being Reagan's Veep for 8 years, and we all know how GW Bush was, so....yeah, it's not far-reaching to blame Reagan, just not entirely fair. But despite the fact he bears some responsibility, he DID do some good (Iran-Contra Affair aside).

Anywho, I don't hate him, but I don't care for him, either. *shrug*

Mcupobob:

T3h Merc:
Because he is downright responsible for the current war in Afghanistan. Y'see he FUNDED Al Quaeda.

He did it to deture the sovites, not his fault he can't see 20 years into the future.

then again, thereīs a long tradition of the usa/cia sponsoring fundamentalists/terror groups to bid their will for the time being. talking about housemade problems.

EClaris:
Because after the Bush's Republicans aren't cool anymore so people hate him.

And honestly, Reagan is not to blame for the economic shit storm thats going on right now.

first off, I hated Reagan before bush was even elected. Secondly, he is to blame along with a lot of other really bad fiscal policy. He is proof that you don't have to be smart to be president, just a good actor...

I'm not an American and not terribly interested in American presidents so I'm not going to argue for or against Reagan, but I can't help noticing that in this thread there seem to be two parties.

One party thinking Reagan was a bad president, and explaining the reasons they think so.
Another party claiming there's no possible reason to dislike Reagan, and that anyone who does is just out to make Republicans look bad.

Funny, that.

This long before 'Reagan SMASH!'?

Huh.

i probably wouldnīt have gotten along with him that well. i think republicans love him because he symbolizes what they see as american: self made man, getting things done, good christian, good patriot. the last two points donīt appeal to me at all. he also could have easily nuked the world to hell in the 80s, so itīs kind of hard to tell if you should thank him that he didnīt, or hate him for the possibility. in the end nothing would have happened withouth gorbatschow who was maybe the first realist politician the u.s.s.r. had in a long time. but then again, when i remember my childhood, reagan always seemed far more sympathetic to me than g.h. bush. probably because i consciously witnessed my first war when he(bush) was president.

Eukaryote:
Because of his dangerous economic policies.

Yes because the Idea that the government should have a BALANCED BUDGET, and not spend MORE money than it actually HAS is very dangerous.

He wasn't evil, but he wasn't exactly a good guy. I don't really have much fault with the way he handled the USSR, or the Afghan situation - he did the best he could, and he could not have predicted what the consequences would be. Remember, the Soviets were doing some pretty damn evil things in Afghanistan, such as wiping out entire villages. Not that the US actually cared about the afghan people, but they still wanted to stop the Soviets from gaining more influence in the Middle East.

There are a number of reasons why I don't like Reagan:

1) He was a bigot. I know he was old, I know he was raised in a "different time" - but the way he treated HIV sufferers was appalling from any ethical standard.

2) He was a bit of a nut-bag. He sincerely believed that we didn't need to take care of the environment because "The Rapture" was right around the corner.

3) During the Iran-Iraq war, he supported the Iraqis first, then later the Iranians, despite the fact that he and the entire US government knew that Saddam was using chemical weapons in the war. He gave intel and tech to Saddam, despite knowing how ruthless and evil he was, just because he felt he had to fight Iran. He funded the overthrow of governments just because they were socialist. Yes, I know that the Sandinista National Liberation Party was bad, but the Contras were just as bad, mark my words.

4) Like almost every US president, the man was a hypocrite. He didn't give a DAMN about anyone who was not fortunate enough to be born with a US passport. He was willing to screw over nations, fund terrorists and back dictators if they furthered US goals. Now, to be fair, all Presidents, and indeed, all governments around the world are very similar. But he had the gall to pretend that he was a champion of freedom, when in fact, if freedom was "inconvenient" for the US markets, then suddenly it wasn't all that important.

5) He treated the poor quite badly. Some of his economic policies made sense, but I cannot stand a man who actively hates, detests and despises the poor. Simply put, I do not like haters. And Reagan, like most hard-conservatives, are mostly defined by their hatred - hatred of anyone not Christian, hatred of anyone gay, hatred of anyone who isn't a nationalist, hatred of anyone who dares to be different. I think you'll find that most hard-conservatives, like Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck, do not really want freedom. They don't want to give you freedom so you can live your life as you want. Their definition of "Freedom" is the "Freedom" to live life the way THEY want you to. Most religious conservatives that I have met, and I'm not talking about Libertarians, say words like "freedom", but what they really want is a nation in which they can impose their religious views on you. I strongly believe that Reagan was a member of such a club. As for non-religious conservatives, most of them are pretty alright, if a bit mean.

6) He supported, and was good friends with, Robert Bork. Bork was not a very good man, if you know anything about him. And Reagan wanted to appoint him to the supreme court.

In reality, Reagan was no more evil than any other US president or world leader. He did do some good things, and he did do some bad things. Personally, I did not like Reagan because he was a religious conservative who hated gays and atheists and basically anyone who did not live according to his magic book.

But yes, he wasn't a demon. I think he really did do what he thought was right. He certainly never ate any babies.

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