Why so much hatred for Aquaman?

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What?! People don't like the Green Arrow? They never read the Green Arrow, Green Lantern books then. A liberal and a conservative superhero go on a roadtrip, awesomness ensues. One of the best buddy teams ever.

Poor Speedy, Robin never had these problems.

Let's face it, even if you add a hook for a hand and a more rugged look his super power is still talking to fish.
I understand he does some cool stuff with it but the problem is it's a situational power only useful in a sea or ocean or anywhere near water dwelling creatures, if he is attacked in an aquarium then yeah, cool, he's set. He's hardly worthy of being of being a main protagonist, his background is he is the King of Atlantis he's not exactly a flawed character.
The main problem is everyone wants to be Superman or Batman or any superhero in general, no wants to be Aquaman.

The most that the Robins had to deal with was one of them getting the axe by fans that hated him and the Joker doing the dirty work. The Speedys, on the other hand, had to deal with one of them being a heroin addict and the other having the HIV.

AugustFall:

The main problem is everyone wants to be Superman or Batman or any superhero in general, no wants to be Aquaman.

Superman is a Christ-figure who is nearly-incapable of doing wrong and Batman (despite my obsession with him) is a man with deep pockets and the ability to do things that would get any of us lobotomized twice. The King of the Seas, however, would be alright. Having strength that approaches, if not matches, Superman's as well as being mostly-adored ruler of 75% of the world's surface? Sign me up.

MisterMojo:

Dags90:

I meant that it was ridiculous to claim that you hadn't heard "Any reasons based on reasoning" when you had just heard my reasoning as to why I think Aquaman's premise is silly and excessively restricting.

No, what I heard from you was no variation on the "cool" reasons to hate Aquaman.

Look mate you're not gonna get very new answers because people generally dislike him the same way.

My reason is because he has no real story. Aquaman's a man who lives in Atlantis. Batman had a tragic event push him to heroism and Green Lantern's a space cop chosen by destiny. Aquaman's just there because otherwise he'd be floating around wishing mermaids had genitalia.

The problem is every attempt to make Aquaman "cool" or counter how useless his powers are just makes the situation worse. Like that justification that because he can survive the ocean depths, Aquaman has super-human strength and endurance. Or expanding his ability to control sea life to everything that descended from sea creatures, like humans. He's powerful now, sure, but he's not Aquaman anymore: he's Professor X's brain in Superman's body.

To make Aquaman viable, you have to start by making him a unique hero. The meaning of a hero is important. In his case, you have two choices. Restrict his solo comic to sea adventures, where he stands out as useful but which makes him useless in the greater DC comics universe. Or give him water-based powers useful outside of the seas. Someone suggested telekinetic water control, which is a pretty cool power, but outside of his brief "water hand," nothing he usually had. Imagine this scenario: Aquaman is forced to confront an enemy in a big city. The supervillain taunts him because, you know, Aquaman. All of a sudden-BAM! Every pipe on a city block bursts as one, the streams pooling and then forming a giant snake that envelops the villain and repeatedly slams him/her into the ground or the sides of skyscrapers. They're not laughing at the fish-talking guy now!

His games suck, if you want to go from that angle.

Other then that, he's a really useless superhero. He controls water life. Not the water itself, the life in it. wats he going to do, send a guppie to attack me?

he's really powerful underwater, but people don't live in water so he just seems kind of retarded... plus he was such an easy and irresistible target =p

Vyreth, I'll agree with you (and you as well Baby Eater), he has been painted into a corner because of the original origins. Maybe with DC going around and retconning their heroes and their origins (a la Wonder Woman), maybe they can do something like what Vyreth suggested and retcon him, again, and include powers like that.

emeraldrafael:
His games suck, if you want to go from that angle.

Other then that, he's a really useless superhero. He controls water life. Not the water itself, the life in it. wats he going to do, send a guppie to attack me?

Not necessarily, there's always sharks and giant squid. But never discount the little guy. One of a small creature may be easy to deal with, but an entire horde of them (such as ants, bees, or zombies) can easily decimate something in a matter of minutes.

I have no idea really about Aquaman but I really don't like any of DC's heroes. I think they were designed really silly and now they're trying to make them serious, and it doesn't work all the time.

MisterMojo:
...Tell me why you hate Firestorm, Green Arrow, Swamp Thing, Toad, or any of their ilk.

Hopefully, this will lead to a fairly-decent and interesting discourse.

actually i really like those heroes and villian haha
firestorm totally rocks but is very OP.
green arrow is basicly the man!
swamp thing is sweet are you even kidding i'm fairly certain alen moore wrote some of them too.
and Toad are you talking brotherhood of evil mutents toad? not a fav by any means but he got the job done as a minor leader type baddy i mean no white queen let alone magnito but he was a step up from pyro and avalance atleast skillwise even if toads power was lame.

ok auqaman
for me
its cus he is not the submariner ;)
ahahahh sorry gonna try ot do this ligit.
one i guess his actual power seems lame, and where as a hero like batman needs no power to be cool, auqaman is (as someone who HAS a power) held to different standards.
basicly he never did anything i remember.... and given all the pointless things i do remember thats saying somehting not to stand out at all. like i dont even remember his backstory... like even the basics... is he human? atlantian? WTF? haha sorry i guess thats all i can add

Gristle, that's why we have the internet. Granted, its not the same as picking up a few trade paperbacks (even though you can download them if you know the right sources to do so), but the wikipedia'd version of your question about his heritage is (as far as my steadily-more-drunken mind can remember) he's an Atlantean who was cast out as a baby because of his blonde hair (Atlantean superstition says that this is the sign of the Curse of Kordax, a.k.a. super-bad news Atlantis equivalent of being born with a "666" on your forehead in the middle of Vatican City). A few people couldn't really stomach the fact of putting a baby out on their own, cursed or not, and made sure a human sea captain named Arthur Curry found him.

MisterMojo:

emeraldrafael:
His games suck, if you want to go from that angle.

Other then that, he's a really useless superhero. He controls water life. Not the water itself, the life in it. wats he going to do, send a guppie to attack me?

Not necessarily, there's always sharks and giant squid. But never discount the little guy. One of a small creature may be easy to deal with, but an entire horde of them (such as ants, bees, or zombies) can easily decimate something in a matter of minutes.

BUt his powers are limited to location. besides, a nice machine gun rips through those things, or if not i'll just electrocute them. So he's pretty much the weakest super hero. if you can even call him that.

Aquaman is one of those characters who is decent within his own comic series, but doesn't work all that well as a regular crossover character in something like "The Justice League" even if his prescence makes sense given that the majority of the planet's surface is water.

I think how much someone likes Aquaman depends on whether they have much experience reading his books that were set underwater, which is really no worse than characters like Adam Strange who functioned mostly off world. Oddly most people are familiar with the character through things like The Justice League, and Super Friends so mostly got to see him outside of his element, and usually poorly written to boot because it seems it's frequently forgotten that while he's not superman, he does have superhuman strength even out of water (or he has posssesed it, with the way how characters change I'm not sure). He should be at least as effective as many other characters who have nothing but strength as a gimmick.

That said I'm more of a marvel fan in general, and I've always liked Namor better, he works well as both a hero and a villain and is easy to write in both roles.

Oh and as far as Aquaman goes, I'd remind people that as King Of Atlantis he is one of the heroes who managed to take down an Imperiax clone during that whole storyline in a straight fight while he was in his element, albiet the blast seemingly destroyed him (however he was actually sent back in time, which was the catalyst for the entire Obsidian Age storyline). He was using the Trident of Kingship (or whatever it was called) but the bottom line is that many heroes failed since you had DC characters hitting the dust left and right during that event. I think it was a fairly good indication of Aquaman's power level when he's on his home turf.

He's like a smaller Poseidon in tights. No. Poseidon must be large and in a Toga. That is the only time Posiedon is acceptable.

Personally I think Marvel's Submariner is a better character. He's like a combination of DC's Aquaman and Black Adam. During the fallout of the Civil War, there was an awesome 6 part mini-series dealing with the character. It's been awhile since I've read it, but it is one of my favorites.

I think Aquaman lost a lot of credibility in the Superfriends cartoon. The Brightest Day series put Aquaman into an interesting storyline, which I think he gets passed over for a lot. Even the other alternative superheroes in the universe have more compelling storylines than he does most times. It could be the costume he wears, Submariner has a darker aesthetic and is more interesting.

emeraldrafael:
a nice machine gun rips through those things, or if not i'll just electrocute them. So he's pretty much the weakest super hero. if you can even call him that.

Remember, the operative word here is "horde," which generally means an omnidirectional attack. Sure, a SMG (if you can even get it to fire underwater in the first place) can only fire in the direction it is pointed; and as far as electricity is concerned, there are quite a few sea creatures that generate electrical charge far beyond that which any man-made object can produce. I hope you'd be wearing extremely heavy rubber protection in addition to carrying a grounding rod with you at all times, or else your grand electric shock plan will be much like telling David Hasselhoff to stop turning down roles that make him an even larger joke.

Or, in Pokemans terms, "not very effective."

the aqua man game?

the only time i dont like aquaman is when they use him with other heroes. In the JLA show he comes across as a person whos too different from the main heroes who dont get his problems because hes from atlantis (seriously, the martian manhunter seems to fit in better and hes from a different planet).

Because all he does is talk to fish.

Cheveyo:

It isn't hatred, it's disinterest.

Yeah man, I'm with you on this one- I just fail to see how we are supposed to relate to a character who's only useful under the ocean, in which many stories are inhibited anyway.

MisterMojo:

Tell me why you hate Firestorm, Green Arrow, Swamp Thing, Toad, or any of their ilk.

Also, I have friend who loves the green arrow.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that DC has retconned him so much, you never know which Aquaman is in what story. It's the same thing with Hawkman and Supergirl (although she gets around it by having big tits and an "S" emblem on her shirt). With Aquaman though, you'll have one writer use him for a while as a Solomon like King and the next will treat him like Conan in the water. Of course the Robot Chicken (a show I can't stand to be honest) jokes don't help either.

Actually my favorite incarnation of him is in the (unfortunatly ending) Brave and the Bold cartoon.

People don't like Aquaman because his superpowers are fairly useless compared to the characters he runs around with. He was presented in a really goofy manner in the 70s on tv, not that anyone else in Superfriends wasn't, but when a guy called Apache Chief is more interesting than you and you're a central plot character, that's not a good sign. Basically he's kind of the joke of the DC universe and every attempt to paint him more respectably from growing a ZZ Top beard to chopping his arm off and sticking a trident in it's place has failed miserably.

And Green Arrow is not really respected because he is a carbon copy of Batman in every conceiveable way. With the exception that Green Arrow hangs out with Black Canary and Batman hangs out with young boys.

Edit: I forget to mention that Marvel's answer to Aquaman, Namor the Submariner, manages to be more badass by being able to fly, beat the shit out of the hulk if he's underwater and significantly less icky looking, despite only ever wearing a set scaled bikini briefs.

Don't forget, Sir John, he also is about three inches from being a total Commie, which makes him super unpopular to the Fox News crowd.

MisterMojo:
Don't forget, Sir John, he also is about three inches from being a total Commie, which makes him super unpopular to the Fox News crowd.

That's odd. I'm not being sarcastic either. The reason I say it's odd is because, I'm a member of the Fox News crowd and I love Green Arrow. Without turning this into a political debate, GA wants to do what's best for the people where the people in power that we in the Fox News crowd are against seem to just want to do what's best for themselves (and their friends) and help themselves gain more power at the expense of the people.

I would actually like to see a storyline with Green Arrow (written by an nonbiased on either side writer-So that leaves out Judd Winnick lol) reacting to what is happening in America now-maybe a one-shot with Hal in a road trip special.

It all depends on who writes him. That and there are better DC heroes around him most of the time.

Its funny when theyre kind of aware of it, though. I remember I was watching that new DC Animated film "Crisis on Two Earths" where the alternate baddies come and fight the justice league. Black Adam almost immediately starts off by punching Aquaman in the face.

and Batman says to him,
"Careful Aquaman! They're stronger than you are!"

Definitely made me laugh

It's all because of the cartoons. A shitload of the earth is covered in water. Between rescuing ships, fighting pirates and plugging oil spills he could achieve must more than batman.

But honestly I like Namor more, something about his smug arrogance that is missing in other heros.

MisterMojo:
Don't forget, Sir John, he also is about three inches from being a total Commie, which makes him super unpopular to the Fox News crowd.

I fail to understand what that has to do with anything. Or how you even reached this conclusion in the first place...

Dags90:
I just find his premise somewhat silly. He's a superhero that's more or less powerless outside of the sea. There's plenty of overlap into his limited field, but he does almost nothing outside of the water. It'd be like if Superman only had super powers between the hours of 3 a.m. and 4 p.m. While it makes for a nice themed hero, the limitations on his super powers are too great to take him seriously as a superhero. His job could easily be done by any other superhero, yet he's be powerless to stop anything on land.

Most of the Earth is covered by the sea. You might as well say that Superman is useless except when there's no cryptonite around.

Sir John The Net Knight:

MisterMojo:
Don't forget, Sir John, he also is about three inches from being a total Commie, which makes him super unpopular to the Fox News crowd.

I fail to understand what that has to do with anything. Or how you even reached this conclusion in the first place...

I was more or less talking about the rather obvious liberal/socialist views of the character. Being labeled a socialist is almost like a death sentence in the US, which leads back to my point of him being unpopular with the more conservative media corporations that run things in the US.

Queen Michael:
Most of the Earth is covered by the sea. You might as well say that Superman is useless except when there's no cryptonite around.

However, most of the people stay on land. Most of universe is space, but most people would consider a superhero who was killed by Earths atmosphere to be kind of silly in most universes.

He's kinda useless on land. His power is drained by being on land too long, so he's really only useful against pirates

He's certainly no Armless Tiger Man, but then, who is?

Also, he's really shit. Super powers underwater? What's the point in that? Who gives a codding sodding fuck about fish?

Woodsey:
Who gives a codding sodding fuck about fish?

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