So I have just started watching some of the Superman, Batman, JLA animated movies. Just finished Superman: Doomsday and one thing occurred to me.
Superman is kind of an asshole. So hes fighting Doomsday, getting his ass kicked but whatever, hes fucking Superman right.
Doomsday throws a tank at some dudes, Superman saves them. Doomsday goes after a kid, Superman gets up and saves the kid. Doomsday goes after Lois and Jimmy while they are in a helicopter, Superman rips Doomsday off, throws him and Doomsday smashes all the way through like a 10 story building completely collapsing it.
Wait. Wtf? Really? He saves two people and kills at least a few dozen by throwing Doomsday through this building.
Then the final move, grabs Doomsday as hes about to kill a little girl, flys up into the outer atmosphere but instead of just throwing Doomsday out into space (Doomsday cant fly) he instead fucking souplexes him into the middle of Metropolis taking out at least, bare minimum a entire city block of multi story buildings.
Superman saves one little girl then does something that results in the death of at least hundreds. Yet hey, everyone is still happy with him. A clone Superman kills one bastard who killed a kid and suddenly the entire city is against him.
Seriously, Supermans monkeysphere seems to only extend to those he can physically see at the time.
(Oh and btw, wtf happened to these types of movies man? I am used to bad guys punching humans and they fly like 20 feet which sure, you know kills them but eh. Now it shows Doomsday snapping some poor bastards neck, Lex shooting his assistant to cover shit up, and not even with those cheesy guns that shoot red lasers. No no, he uses a decent gun. A clone Superman, after finding out that Toyman killed a 4 year old girl picks Toyman up, flys up high, then drops his dumb ass. Kills him, blood everywhere. Was fantastic. The Wonder Woman movie has people getting fucking slaughtered. It aint cheesy kids stuff no more man.)
For discussion, what have you seen like this, heroes saving their friends and doing shit that wipes out entire city blocks with no thought about whose getting killed in the process.
what; you dont think all those buildings are empty?
thats a pretty common oversight in superhero fights; collateral damage of epic scale is apparently alright as long as you dont actually see it kill someone. hell, the power rangers have killed thousands if not millions with all the buildings they punch giant mechs into...
thing is, superheroes are generally about not killing people, and its difficult to consistently make fights interesting without killing things or blowing shit up, so alot of superhero fights end up causing massive property damage to make them exciting.
just remember what mst3k taught us; best to not think too hard about this stuff.
I haven't seen the fight in question so I can't comment definitively, but in general...
A lot of the time it's pretty safe to assume people are evacuating pretty frantically before the real destruction starts. You very rarely see entire buildings collapsing in superhero comic books, just holes punched through them by airborne supers. Assuming that most supervillains seem to get tossed through upper stories, and usually not until a little while into the fight, I'd say it's safe to assume that the people on the top floor are basically all free and clear by the time the fight really heats up.
It's one of those superhero comic conventions that actually gives a really easy get-out clause for the hero. Most fights will start small, then build up, to show how the hero is having to use more of his strength etc. After the first few times this happens presumably people get wise that if you see or hear about heroes fighting, you start making scarce.
Also, this is like prime material for deconstructionist superhero comics. The Boys, Invincible, even Birds of Prey (a mainstream DC title) either reference or directly utilise this as a storytelling device. In Invincible the fallout of a fight between two superpowered beings is explicitly stated to be in thousands after they went ploughing through skyscrapers, but it's considered acceptable collateral for saving the planet from total annihilation, and in The Boys the entire plot is kicked off by an innocent bystander getting caught in superhuman crossfire. In Birds of Prey they just have incidental dialogue about how before they bring out the big guns they're making sure the building is evacuated. Presumably with the size of some of the teams, while some engage the villain of the week, the others engage in some measure of crowd control.
what; you dont think all those buildings are empty?
If I saw superman having a epic battle with a supvillain the last thing I'd do is stop watching and run away.
Yeah this tends to crop up here and there in superhero parodies, Particularly with superman as he's so over the top powerful. I mean why fly that bomb into outer space when you can drop it into the ocean? Potentially destroying the ecosystem while you're at it?
I love the examples on superdickery.com
It just proves superman really doesn't care about humans.
Like many comic book heroes, how good Superman is really depends on who's writing him. It sounds like the writers for the movie weren't very good. That said, if you were to look at some of the comics written by Geoff Johns, you'd see a much more sympathetic Superman who pays a lot more attention to the affect his powers have (in fact, in Superman: Sacrifice, it's a sizable part of the plot). There are really two ways to make Supes interesting as a character, the lazy way is what they've done in this movie, where they just use another equally overpowered being. But in the best Superman stories, the degree to which he's overpowered is actually his weakness, because he has to be very careful with how he uses his powers, lest he risk hurting someone.
*Ahem* Superman is a dick.
It's about REALISM and making superheroes REALISTIC because people only want to see REAL heroes in REAL situations.
Thank Frank Miller.
That's why Spidey started growing his own web-fluid, because they thought that having him invent it would be too unrealistic.
Oh, and it gave a masturbation joke...*rolls eyes*
The days have gone where someone can just be evil for stealing cakes. Now they have to destroy lives.
And that's terrible.
Meh super man has always been a terrible character. Truthfully the only DC character I really like is batmna.
Sounds to me like Doomsday is the asshole.