Is it discrimination to treat Handicapped people better than the rest of us? Pages PREV 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 NEXT | |
This. You hit the nail on the head, given someone an unfair advantage based on their race, age, sex or handicap is unfair. | |
Now i understand it why it exist's ( come on give me some credit i'm not that big an idiot ). But the fact that it's exclusive to one group of people makes it discrimination ( by definition , but it's "good" discrimination). I also realize it's the polite thing to do, i don't go around being mean to people with a handicap , i ,like everyone else ,am super nice and polite to handicap people i meet ( even if i don't want to ), but to regular people i'm a dick and most of the time impolite to randomers that make the mistake to decide to talk to me. So i'm actually treating the handicapped people better than i treat regular people. Let's say i was to take that same example and instead of handicapped i replaced it with race. I go around being nice to Asian people , but to Black people i am a dick/asshole just because i wan't to. I would imediately be called racist, because i treat black people differently ( discrimination ). Same thing would happen if i was nice to men and a asshole to women, i would then be called a sexist and i would have feminist all over my ass. But if i am being nice to Handicapped people and treating able-bodied people like crap, i am normal. | |
No. It isn't giving them an unfair advantage, it's letting them live their lives. Choosing to hire a minority for a job specifically because they are a minority though? That's different. | |
they are handi handicapped, they need the extra help alot of the time | |
Can you not tell the difference between "Ha ha, you have stupid hair" and "Ha ha, your legs don't work." | |
If you seriously think im trolling , you are an unintelligent person , unable to think rationally and/or objectively . Treating a group of people different is discrimination by definition . Thus treating handicap people different ( worst or better ) is also discrimination . You sir , fail at the art of thinking . Either that or you let your emotions on the matter cloud your judgement . | |
Handicapped? The term is pretty wide. But I digress. Handicapped and disabled should be concession in daily life so that their handicapp shouldn't hinder them from from living a normal life. I can expand but until I've had my coffee it's gonna end up pretty vitriolic so I'll hold off. | |
I think he meant using the first one on the handicapped person, not the second. Example: Person A: You have stupid hair! (Person B is the handicapped person) | |
Essentially this. There's a bloody reason they're treated better you know, and it can't be the urgent requirement of low rider wheelchairs. | |
There is a difference between treating people equally and treating them identically. treating people identically is not generally compatible with equality anyway. Handicapped people are at a disadvantage to begin with, so by doing something to make there life easier actually serves to bring them closer to equality. It is not the same as positive discrimination, frowning upon people mocking a serious disorder is not equivalent to employing someone to make up the numbers of a minority that work somewhere. People shouldn't be treated identically. If we want to treat everyone identically, then previous experience shouldn't matter when applying for a job. The fact is that some things give people a disadvantage or advantage, and things are done as a result of this. Things are done to help those less fortunate, and if anyone wants to complain about that then I will lose quite a bit of respect for them. | |
Discrimination is normal. You select by certain criteria and treat said people differently. No one is going to have a problem with you being nicer to your friends than to a complete stranger, its still discrimination. None of the discrimination you mention is really very unreasonable though handicapped people usually do get slight advantages in the general scheme of social discrimination. People tend to be nicer to them and are more likely to help them out than anyone else in need of help but I think it goes to a general ingrained discrimination not just based on handicap. People who are more attractive generally are treated better. People who are considered less capable usually receive more help. And people who are considered less of a "threat" are more likely to be engaged and assisted. Handicapped people are generally considered less capable and so people often try to help them out. There are even plenty of handicapped people who find it annoying and will refuse help sometimes rather bluntly. Handicapped people are also less likely to be considered a threat. The combination of these two things has led many con artists and criminals to use wheel chairs and crutches and the like. In contrast the other week a friend of mine who is a big guy, ex military, relatively young, with a shaved head (somewhat imposing and definitely "capable" looking) had his car overheat. He got out of his car and looked under the hood. One of the hoses burst and sprayed him. He had first and second degree burns on his arm, it was blistering and painful as all get out. He was capering about the side of the road screaming in pain. He wound up on his knees, doubled over, dry heaving, tears streaming down his face, and trying vainly to wave some down to help him. Not a single person stopped and as far as he knows no one even called the police or anything. He had to get his own shit together, cut and reconnect the hose, fill the car up with some radiator fluid he had in the trunk, and then drive to a gas station to try to get help. And there the guy behind the counter would not even allow him to use the sink to put cool water on his severely burned and blistered arm. | |
If my Legs didn't work i would want special fucken treatment! | |
I have nothing to add to the thread that hasn't been typed out already, but I feel obligated to compliment your avatar. That game...So many memories. Thanks for that nostalgia kick. ^_^ | |
The examples you gave weren't great. The idea of Handicapped Parking is that some of them need it. If you laugh at someone with a mental disability people will assume you are laughing at them because of it. Yes that is jumping to conclusions, can't help you there. | |
Ever notice how handi-capped parking spaces are nearer to the store? It's because handi-capped people usually have trouble with getting around - well, more trouble than folks who aren't handi-capped. A person on crutches or in a wheelchair has more difficulty in traversing the car park, and thus, it would be kind to let them park nearer to the store. I know if I was handi-capped, I'd want a parking spot near the store. The rights of handi-capped people protect everyone, because you yourself maybe handi-capped one day. You never know - you're just one slip-in-the-shower away from potentially being paralysed. Why.... you could fall down the stairs and snap your spine.... on any day of the year. Think about it - just like that, at any time, YOU could become disabled or handi-capped. I know I keep that frightening thought in mind. So I am all for making disabled people's lives more comfortable because: 1) They didn't ask to be disabled. | |
Handy capped parking is reasonable, if you have one leg and the prosthetic rubs your stump it is reasonable to give them people parking closer to the store. It's not giving them an advantage over able bodied people, it's just being considerate. If a person has cancer you are scum if you say something like "well at least I don't have cancer" but it's fine to call them stupid for doing something stupid. There is giving people consideration and help and there is giving them an advantage, they are totally different. You do sound like a shallow person though, you see a person on TV and just blert out "shes ugly" ... I bet your an Adonis then and women fall madly in love with you at the slightest of glances. | |
Damn handicapped people, they get all the breaks! Seriously though, I don't believe your parking-example is a case of positive discrimination, they actually need that spot. There is some grey area and some discrimination of course, but let's be big about that. | |
There was a veteran who was in the same sort situation. He was missing his legs and a bit of his pelvis or something like that. He was allowed onto a ride and was ejected from his seat and died. The attendant must have thought he was making the veteran's day by bending the rules for him. :[ | |
No. Well technically yes, but not by the modern definition of the word. Why? because unlike all the other reasons people find to discriminate, this one actually matters. | |
No, because it makes sense. You give them handicapped parking so they're closer to the shop, if they're in a wheelchair it's inconvenient to push yourself along a car park. The only thing that confuses me is why people with something such as Autism (which isn't physically damaging) get more money than people without. I may sound ignorant here, but I don't see why they need it. I don't see why my autistic housemate needs nearly £1k a month in benefits, he doesn't leave the house and only spends his money on video games and he doesn't have any medication. | |
handicapped is actually quite an offensive term | |
They get treated better because there lives are worse. It's an act to attempt to balance it out. Technically it is discrimination but how is something like a parking space going to offend you really? So what, you have to walk farther but in return, someone who can't walk has less hassle. Is it really that much of a bother to walk a bit farther, especially at the convenience for those who couldn't even walk if they wanted to? Basically, yes it's discrimination but it's actually helps people, unlike other forms of discrimination like racism. Trying to throw the two together is a dick move. | |
The parking spaces and things like that? No, not really. At least it's not bad discrimination. You treat people with different needs differently. There is a valid reason for it. It easy for you to get around the place so let them have the spaces closer to the store. | |
It kind of a yes and no. By the term itself it is but handicapped people deserve the extra treatment if they want it (e.g. Locke from LOST hated being treated as a handicapped). | |
Many of the laws that treat treat handicapped people different were created in the first place because of discrimination. The parking spaces are not only needed because they are closer. While that is a good function of them it is not the only reason why. Vans that carry people in wheel chairs need more space to load/unload people. That is why the spaces are larger than normal ones. In a busy parking lot, if you did not have those spaces, you might not be able to find to room to load/unload. So the parking spots were created so that people that used wheel chairs could be equal and have the same access to public places. The same is true for ramps outside of buildings. Ever tried to wheel yourself up a set of stairs in a wheelchair? These laws make it possible for disabled people to be less discriminated against and have access to the same places that able-bodied people do. Is it treating a group of people differently? Yes, but the different treatment is to make up for what they lack so they can be equal or closer to it. | |
In the most literal definition, yes. In all social context, no.
It's not additional parking that's being walled off from normal people. It's additional spaces designated for handicapped folks. Because, you know, they have handicaps that could well make movement a difficult task, especially if it's across a parking lot. There are safety issues, too. A dude in a wheelchair is below the line of sight for most drivers, so what happens if a car decides to back out of a space when a wheelchair-bound person is right behind them?
They'd probably think you were an asshole, actually, because you're openly mocking someone you don't know for their physical appearance.
Uh-huh. Here's the thing: that logic doesn't place people on a higher 'social pedestal.' Let me apply that same logic to other situations. "It's so unfair that if you have sex with lots of women, you're a stud, but if you have sex with lots of children, you're a pedophile." "I hate how I can't organize a mob and hang a man without being called a racist just because the man was black." See where this is going? The target of your action matters just as much as the action itself. That's why a sniper that kills an insurgent in Baghdad is a soldier, and a sniper that kills a civilian in the American midwest is a mad gunman.
I've already shot more holes in your argument than Swiss cheese, but w/e. I'll see where you're going with this.
That's completely different. If you were actually citing a relevant situation in line with your previous logic, your girlfriend would be upset that you were specifically mocking someone for having cancer.
Your idea of equality is hilarious. I've already said why.
'Getting gypped' is a reference to Gypsies, and 'barbarian' was an ethnic slur the Greeks used to universally describe foreigners as stupid and incoherent. The point? Deal with it. Its meaning is completely different from what it used to be. Get offended over it all you like. It'll just make people see you for the unpleasable stickler that you are. | |
No. Discrimination is treating two sets of people unequally based on a characteristic they possess. Handicapped parking spaces are there because handicapped people find it much harder to move than their more able peers.
This. | |
Positive discrimination is still discrimination. Ergo: Not all discrimination is bad, and we should stop acting like it is. | |
there are some forms of autism I think that pretty much make you unable to function in the real world/without some help, obviously there are varying degrees of it, in the case of your roomate i dont know his situation, he obviously doesnt need that much if he can work | |
Why? Sure, it sucks, but no more so than being born a ginger, or in the ghetto. Why should you receive special treatment because of a twist of fate? | |
Clearly you haven't seen too many folks in wheelchairs - they move bloody better than I do half the time, and a damn sight faster from point A to B. They can usually also benchpress twice their own mass, but that's another story. | |
Yes and no. Technically, yes. One group gets different treatment than the rest of the society. It falls under the broad definition of discrimination. But then again, when you are nicer to your friends than to people you never met, that's also technically discrimination. Handicapped parking exists so people with crutches and wheelchairs wouldn't have to park half a mile away or drag themselves from the far end of the parking lot. We get up for the elderly and the infirm in trams and busses because they have more trouble standing up than we do. It's not discrimination, it's courtesy and compassion, both on an individual level and on the level of society. | |
Handicapped =/= in a wheelchair. Most of the people I see using the spaces either have a kid with some severe learning disability, or have cerebal palsy and are on crutches. | |
And most of the folks that I see are in wheelchairs. If you want to play Anecdotal Evidence, I can too, and we'll both end up going precisely no-where. A question: Is ADD/ADHD a learning disability? | |
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"Equal" is not the same as "Identical"
What you described isn't discrimination. It's levelling the playing field. The intention is to try and make sure disabled people are not hampered by the shitty cards they've been dealt, and can lead a life as rich and fulfilling as any able-bodied person. I say try because sometimes it's impossible to do. But that doesn't mean we can't work towards all people being treated equally. Equally. Not identically.