Fillers that ruined an Anime.

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You know the deal: you're watching the first episodes of an anime, everything is great, storyline works, and the characters are deep. Then you run across a problem. Fillers seem to kinda take away from the general experience of an anime for me. My example would be Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. The story was mysterious and engaging, and all the characters except for the main one wore normal clothes and had actual arcs. But then fillers came and killed it. All the story lines involving tachicoma and whiny derpy derpy doo-ing ruined the streak of excellence the show had put in my heart. So tell me, Escapists, what animes have you seen that were ruined by fillers?

Naruto. 80 episodes? Are you joking?

(I know they were too close to the manga at the time.)

Naruto and Bleach are both ntorious for filler episodes, to theetent I no long watch either, which is a shame....But seriously, so. Much. Filler!

Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.

Both Naruto and Bleach, although at time of writing this has already been mentioned twice. I'm not sure if Naruto did this, but Bleach committed what I consider to be the ultimate in anime sins. Have a boring, nonsensical and unimportant filler arc, slap bang in the middle of another, far more exciting story arc.

Seriously, when the Bounto arc popped up halfway through the Heuco Mundo arc I was simultaneously pissed and confused.

The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya which wasn't ruined by filler but rather, by mood. The first few episodes are fine, as are all the bits of comic relief but I don't like how they over-dramatized the thing. It would have fared better as a strictly comedic series. Of course DBZ is the one that's the most notorious for filler, even DBZ Kai, which cuts out on a lot of the useless bits is still over loaded with unnecessary bits.

Cant make a thread about fillers in animes w/o m,mentioning DBZ. They'd spend most the majority of each episode standing around looking at each other or taking forever to power up. Good times.

Joke: How many DBZ characters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

I dunno, how many?

One, but it takes him five episodes to do it.

:p

Naruto, Bleach and Inuyasha. Uggh. Too much. DBZ too.

Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something

Naruto fillers made the anime so dull and boring. Even the funny ones are meaningless and forgettable.

spartan231490:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous.

Thanatus1992:
Seriously, when the Bounto arc popped up halfway through the Heuco Mundo arc I was simultaneously pissed and confused.

Heh. I knew Bleach was going to get mentioned early and repeatedly. The really sad part is that after watching more recent episodes, the Bount filler arc looks great in comparison to the absolute clusterfuck the show devolved into. The more recent filler has been absolutely atrocious, and even most of the non-filler has been worse than the Bount arc was. I ended up watching most of the episodes from I think 200-300 or so at 1.5x speed just to see how much worse the show could possibly get and what would eventually happen with the Aizen nonsense, and holy crap did it ever get worse. As strange as it is to say it, I miss how good the Bount arc was in comparison and completely stopped watching it after the massive derp-fest of the Aizen showdown. My brain can only take so much stupid.

The Endless Eight episodes from the second season of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.

In fact I had literally done an almost identical post to this one in another forum a couple of minutes ago, after realising their extent after watching the third one.

Dragon Ball Z. Going from the manga to anime was incredibly jarring. I know the manga didn't exactly have the quickest fight scenes, but wow, the anime takes forever to get anywhere. It was so damn bloated with filler that it was nearly unwatchable to me. Course, I have not yet watched Kai, which I have heard cut down majorly on the filler, but seriously, when you have to cut out 3/4s of a show just so it is watchable, you have a problem.

Seeing as I generally stick to anime that are short and have two 12 episode seasons I don't really have much to base filler off of. I guess Naruto is pretty bad quantity wise but the filler is rather nice most of the time and fleshes out the characters a bit more or adds new characters that appear later. The most recent arc is actually pretty nice, going over how the villages are preparing for the great ninja war, delving into the spesifics of Naruto's shadow clones, ect. Even though it was a while back the entire Guren arc, while technically filler, consisted of some of my favorite episodes.

naruto, bleach, and most of the DBZ (the one where piccolo learns to drive is awesome, though) fillers are terrible.
but InuYasha, Hellsing, and Full Metal Alchemist do a good job of making good filler. InuYasha's are good because they are short (only 1 episode long), funny, and expand character depth. Hellsing's are good because because they are funny, but are extremely short and only last a few minutes. FMA's are good for the same reasons as InuYasha's.

One that has not been mentioned, but needs to be is Inyuasha. I watched every episode of Inyuasha and I enjoyed it when it was not in filler mode. The final season that came out in 2009 and finished the series actually worked.

An important thing to note about filler is why they exist. They typically happen because an episode of an anime covers fall more than a chapter of the manga that the anime is based on. This means the anime needs to add stuff not in the manga to fill time so the manga can get ahead again. This stuff that exists just for the anime can't have anything important happen in it because when the anime returns to the manga story line it has to ignore the filler. That is one thing Naruto filler has over Bleach filler. Naruto filler never intrudes on the main story. Bleach filler characters randomly appear in other parts of the story where they don't belong.

Thanatus1992:

Seriously, when the Bounto arc popped up halfway through the Heuco Mundo arc I was simultaneously pissed and confused.

The bount arc came before the hueco mundo arc. I say this as somebody who just watched the entire show from start to finish. The one that came in the middle of the hueco mundo arc was the new captain arc. Truth be told though I felt a little bad for the manga staff, it had gotten to the point where Kubo (the manga author) was being forced to cut out plot elements and characters just to stay ahead of the anime (you can read up on the background of the menos forest mini-arc if you're interested in that.). So in any event I may not have liked that they did filler, but I understood the need for it instead of getting pissed and confused.

I will say that if there's any saving grace it's that Bleach filler is usually better than Naruto filler in terms of writing and general quality. And in the very least Bleach's fillers usually are condensed together, SELF CONTAINED and therefor easy to skip. Naruto dices it's filler into episodes with actual main plot elements so you have to watch EVERYTHING. No matter how bad it is. Probably the worst Bleach filler arc was the beast swords. Loooootta WTF moments there.

All the giant recap bits in episode of Dragonball Z, Naruto, and Yu Yu Hakusho.

Seriously, I don't need to see the last two minutes of an episode I just watched.

Most anime seems to kill its own mood if it is dragged on for too long. Comedies turn into dramas, actions turn into romances, shit melts together....and...I'm not sure why. Maybe...fan requests? Money?

Just stick with the manga as far as im concerned unless you can get a complete series dvd for a good show thats only the necessary amount of episodes it needs to tell the story.

I watched Bleach up to just past the end of the arc with the zanpakutou rebellion against the shinigami, so I haven't been watching any of about a year and a half's worth, but I think Bleach filler is a mixed bag. Honestly, the Bount arc was alright for its purpose, giving Kubo some time to get ahead with the main story. It was at least a decent story, and the Bount were an interesting idea. I actually enjoyed the Past Arc, dealing with the creation of the vizard, and the whole zanpakutou rebellion stories. But *gyuh*, that stupid Kasumi-Ooji/new captain arc, that was just horrible. It should never have existed. Its creation was a crime against anime. I stopped watching when the filler after the zanpakutou arc was looking like it was going to fall to that level again. As badly as I wanted to see the main story again, I couldn't deal with another filler arc as dreadful as the new captain one.

They're annoying yes, but in that case, why not just skip over them?

GamerKT:
Naruto. 80 episodes? Are you joking?

(I know they were too close to the manga at the time.)

f-ing Naruto.

Naruto actually seemed like it had an interesting plot, which would have been much more interesting if they actually STUCK to the main story! for the majority of the show they completely forget the main plot, and instead have tons of filler stuffed in there.

But filler isn't inherently bad, right? I mean, one could say that Cowboy Bebop was almost entirely filler. Well, filler is bad when it generally is the same basic side-plot repeated over and over and OVER! We get it, some angsty kid, blahblahblah, GET BACK TO THE MAIN STORY!

Schierke:
They're annoying yes, but in that case, why not just skip over them?

the problem with skipping filler is you don't know if it will be complete filler, if there will be some major plot development revealed in it, or if there will be some interesting character development in it that makes it worth watching. Filler isn't always bad, it can be used for great character development, or even possibly connect back to the main storyline. What sucks is that you often can't tell the difference between good filler and bad filler until after you've watched it..

spartan231490:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.

To argue the Hueco Mundo arch, Ichigo beat Zaraki because he had the full power of his sword. That wasn't his natural power at the time, after that battle he returned to the strength he had in wich Zaraki beat him with ease. The energy that he used to beat(and I mean beat losely, as we all know Ichigo collapsed first while Zaraki was still standing and had time to reminisce)Zaraki was his Zanpakuto's power, power he didn't have untill later on.

Honestly, I usually look up plot summaries for fillers before I decide to watch them. It can be very frustrating to find a decent, enjoyable anime that chugs along for a while and then end up stranded in the mire of pointless filler.

Obviously, the worst offenders would be Bleach/Naruto/One Piece/etc, but I have found fillers in other series, and occasionally, a series made nearly entirely of filler. *coughsamuraichamploocough*

l3o2828:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something

One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.

I've watched Naruto from the beginning up to the end of the Pain saga. I just skip the filler episodes for the most part. They very rarely have any bearing on the main story arcs. Now that I'm talking about it, I should start watching it again.

Asuka Soryu:

spartan231490:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.

To argue the Hueco Mundo arch, Ichigo beat Zaraki because he had the full power of his sword. That wasn't his natural power at the time, after that battle he returned to the strength he had in wich Zaraki beat him with ease. The energy that he used to beat(and I mean beat losely, as we all know Ichigo collapsed first while Zaraki was still standing and had time to reminisce)Zaraki was his Zanpakuto's power, power he didn't have untill later on.

And according to the mythos you gain your zanpakto's power when you gain bankai. And even if that's not true, bankai should have made him several times stronger, and his vizard powers multiply his strength yet further. And zaraki's power would have been reduced because it was hueco mundo, and soul-reaper powers are weaker in hueco mundo, whereas Ichigo's vizard powers should have been made stronger. And those were only 2 small examples, there are dozens more.

Nalgas D. Lemur:

spartan231490:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous.

Thanatus1992:
Seriously, when the Bounto arc popped up halfway through the Heuco Mundo arc I was simultaneously pissed and confused.

Heh. I knew Bleach was going to get mentioned early and repeatedly. The really sad part is that after watching more recent episodes, the Bount filler arc looks great in comparison to the absolute clusterfuck the show devolved into. The more recent filler has been absolutely atrocious, and even most of the non-filler has been worse than the Bount arc was. I ended up watching most of the episodes from I think 200-300 or so at 1.5x speed just to see how much worse the show could possibly get and what would eventually happen with the Aizen nonsense, and holy crap did it ever get worse. As strange as it is to say it, I miss how good the Bount arc was in comparison and completely stopped watching it after the massive derp-fest of the Aizen showdown. My brain can only take so much stupid.

I never even finished the aizen arc. I just couldn't take it anymore and stopped. The fact that Ichigo's level of strength follows the path of a seismograph print-out if you throw it in a washing machine and then a dryer just ruined the whole thing for me.

The bount arc was tolerable, before that was awesome, and the rest just got worse and worse and worse. So much ruined potential that it really made me die a little inside.

Alar:
All the giant recap bits in episode of Dragonball Z, Naruto, and Yu Yu Hakusho.

Seriously, I don't need to see the last two minutes of an episode I just watched.

Agreed, but at least with Yu Yu Hakusho the actual show had slim to no filler at all, the first season even managed to get through 5 important story arcs, as for in show filler, everything I could say has already been mentioned with bleach, naruto, and DBZ

spartan231490:

Asuka Soryu:

spartan231490:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.

To argue the Hueco Mundo arch, Ichigo beat Zaraki because he had the full power of his sword. That wasn't his natural power at the time, after that battle he returned to the strength he had in wich Zaraki beat him with ease. The energy that he used to beat(and I mean beat losely, as we all know Ichigo collapsed first while Zaraki was still standing and had time to reminisce)Zaraki was his Zanpakuto's power, power he didn't have untill later on.

And according to the mythos you gain your zanpakto's power when you gain bankai. And even if that's not true, bankai should have made him several times stronger, and his vizard powers multiply his strength yet further. And zaraki's power would have been reduced because it was hueco mundo, and soul-reaper powers are weaker in hueco mundo, whereas Ichigo's vizard powers should have been made stronger. And those were only 2 small examples, there are dozens more.

Yes, but Ichigo's main power is the same as Zaraki's, so once his mask came off he should also feel the same decrease. Not to mention Ichigo was near dead with only 1/3rd his Bankai power when Nnoitra kicked his ass around.

Naruto comes to mind, the filler ones got just stupid, like a ninja prison? The only way it would work is if it was a graveyard. Naruto was awesome but the filler... a few of them were good but mostly they just sucked.

Asuka Soryu:

spartan231490:

Asuka Soryu:

To argue the Hueco Mundo arch, Ichigo beat Zaraki because he had the full power of his sword. That wasn't his natural power at the time, after that battle he returned to the strength he had in wich Zaraki beat him with ease. The energy that he used to beat(and I mean beat losely, as we all know Ichigo collapsed first while Zaraki was still standing and had time to reminisce)Zaraki was his Zanpakuto's power, power he didn't have untill later on.

And according to the mythos you gain your zanpakto's power when you gain bankai. And even if that's not true, bankai should have made him several times stronger, and his vizard powers multiply his strength yet further. And zaraki's power would have been reduced because it was hueco mundo, and soul-reaper powers are weaker in hueco mundo, whereas Ichigo's vizard powers should have been made stronger. And those were only 2 small examples, there are dozens more.

Yes, but Ichigo's main power is the same as Zaraki's, so once his mask came off he should also feel the same decrease. Not to mention Ichigo was near dead with only 1/3rd his Bankai power when Nnoitra kicked his ass around.

there is also the fact that it is made very clear, especially earlier on that Ichigos power is very unstable

im going against the topic, gintama imo is an anime in which filler works well

Bleach and Bleach alone once Naruto hit filler I switched to the manga, but Bleach, uarrg that was just agrivating, plus the fact they kept showing re-runs(adult swim). course they seemed to have rebooted the series after last nights episode, might be fun to try again.

On-topic: I rarely watch anime over reading the original manga or light novels. That said, I'm quite certain some of my favorite manga would be considered by some to be 70% filler (like Ai Yori Aoshi), so I guess I'd have to say I don't really think filler ruins anything. At least, not in-and-of itself.

Shoggoth2588:
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya which wasn't ruined by filler but rather, by mood. The first few episodes are fine, as are all the bits of comic relief but I don't like how they over-dramatized the thing. It would have fared better as a strictly comedic series.

That's because the first six episodes of the first season were the adaptation of the first book. The other seven all adapted various short stories from books 3 and 5, with the only genuine anime-only "filler" being the final episode.

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