FBI brands internet privacy as terrorism.

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LordFisheh:
I have no love for the FBI but here it seems people just want to hate US authorities in the wake of ACTA on any basis they can find, even if that means taking it totally out of context and twisting its meaning backwards Fox News style.

Where is the twisted context? I have the entire Ragnar Benson collection saved on my computer. I am highly concerned about privacy. I use methods to shield my IP address including the use of proxies. I make communications that are highly suspicious(in regards to content) over VOIP software all the time. I don't need a bunch of idiots or government agents(sorry that may have been a tautology,) following me around and digging into my personal life. For one its a huge invasion of my privacy and the privacy of others. For two it's a huge waste of time and resources.

Any terrorist who gets caught is completely stupid and is going to fail anyways. The ones who aren't caught are not going to be caught ever because of some stupid list of things to watch out for. And they aren't going to be caught pre-attack ever, because hiding from the government while doing lots of damage is really really really easily.

With zero suspicious purchases one can get a Cessna and fly around California dropping Molotov cocktails when the Santa Anna wins start blowing. Would easily cause billions of dollars in property damages. A couple properly set up claymores in Disneyland at opening would kill hundreds of people. Airport security is a joke that assumes terrorists firstly are going to only target airports and secondly are going to take the time to walk through their detection equipment. Getting onto the tarmac by hopping a fence is pretty easy and once you are there people just assume you're supposed to be there. The reason terrorists aren't blowing us up is because they really don't at all care to do so. Not because of this fear mongering list.

jpoon:
by stripping us of our god given fucking inalienable rights

As Carlin pointed out there's several problems with that idea.

1) The government can take them away at any time they want, has done so in the past and will continue to do so in the future. So they aren't really rights so much as temporary privileges that mean nothing if people don't stop them from being taken away. And no one ever does, everyone just says "not my problem" or "oh its just a little bit of privacy in exchange for safety." So uhhh inalienable... not so much.

2) How are they 'God given' rights? There have been tons of countries with more rights than the US and many with less. Does God like Swedish citizens more than it likes US citizens? Does he think that brown people should have less rights? And what about all the rights that have been added over the years? Did God just fuck up and forget to mention that women have the 'inalienable' right to vote until the 1920s? Did he forget to mention slavery until the 1800s?

Tubez:

Im not a fucking terrorist.

That's exactly what a terrorist would say...

Yes, of course. I must be a terrorist because im covering my screen so the 9 yearold and his mother on the bus beside me doesnt see my HARDCORE TENTACLE ON BLUE HAIRED ASIAN CHICK PRONZ.

And this all seems kinda..... stupid? Yeah. Stupid. Most fitting word i can think of.
First they say to watch out for people downloading:
"Content of extreme/radical nature with violent themes
- Anarchist Cookbook, explosives or weapons information
- Military tactics, equipment manuals, chemical or biological information
- Terrorist/revolutionary literature
- Preoccupation with press coverage of terrorist attacks
- Defensive tactics, police or government information
- Information about timers, electronics, or remote transmitters / receivers"

But then they say:
"Do not collect metadata, content, or
search electronic communications of
individuals"

How can you prove the first in ANY WAY without doing the latter?
*facepalm* So anyone who likes to study or read up on weaponry (such as me), likes to know how to protect themselves (with potentially body armor or defensive items such as mace or tasers), or actually CARES about the terrorist attacks on the news, is probably a terrorist, and you should stalk them, and tell the police about them being a terrorist?

Sigh. It seems like everyday i wake up in America..... It feels like i need to leave it faster and faster >.>;

Zeckt:
Got to love how the good old US of A is so quick to label people as a terrorist to make the masses agree with what their government does. It's a word meant to instill fear and panic into the masses but the way they are watering down the word a little too much now. \

I could suddenly say my cat is a terrorist if I were to ever disown her, it would make for a good excuse.

Yes, I completely blame how we reacted to 911 and the fact that we had George W Bush Jr in office for 8 years. That didn't help at all.

All I can say is. Come now CIA, do your fucking job and stop choosing random things to call terrorism to get support, gain support through your actions, not through your words.

Oh, America. I want to murder everyone within your power structure. Your propagandizing, greedy, corrupt power structure.

OK, can someone explain what "Evidence of a residential based internet provider" means? Because that sounds like they're saying if you get your Internet from Comcast or AOL, you are immediately a terrorist?

Now, aside from that...

 Suspicious communications using VOIP or communicating through a PC game

So, we're basically taking that whole paranoid phone-tapping thing from a few years ago, where people were afraid to say certain "buzz words" into their phones for fear they'd get arrested for it, and moving it onto the Internet? How could this POSSIBLY go wrong?!

 Gather information about vulnerable infrastructure or obtain photos, maps or
diagrams of transportation, sporting venues, or populated location

Does anyone else use Google Maps to A. search for directions to a place, B. scope out a sporting venue to see what parking may be like, and/or C. just look into populated locations to maybe either see what's around or, like B, find a good place to park? Well, guess you're a terrorist for that.

Oh, and let's not forget:

 Download content of extreme/radical nature with violent themes

So I guess if you're into snuff films, Guro, BDSM, and whatever the hell else they show in the /d/ section of 4chan, you're going to have to turn yourself in.

Oh no, I'm really particular about my privacy!

Run for it guys!

I never let people read my e-mail or my text messages to my girlfriend. OH GOD. I AM A TERRORIST.

Some here say that what is said there does not imply branding as terrorism, that may be but if you take into consideration the paranoia, foolishness and determination of the people involved, it might as well be as the title suggests. This may be a relatively small thing but such small things have a tendency to royally screw us over and do massive damage.

This One may be paranoid as well and have a rather pessimistic view of the world but One has said it before and will say it again. A grim future awaits us.
These sort of things were easier to overcome some decades ago but now there are actually viable methods of keeping the control and increasing it. Perhaps it is best that we never leave this rock, as those of us who truly strive towards progress of betterment are few and their voice is drowned by the ocean of stupidity.

Nevertheless, hope lingers but only time will truly tell.

Look ma! I was doing my history homework starting a terrorist cell.
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html

My friend has 3 cellphones, each with a different sim, he must be a terrorist! Dammit, my mom also has two.. Oh wait, i don't live in America.

okay this is starting to get silly now

Did anybody else notice that they called it "Communities Against Terrorism" or C.A.T. for short

Oh shit, I use Chrome's Incognito! FUCK, THEY'RE COMING FOR ME!

America broke the word terrorist, it used to be people blowing up planes. Now just for a being a little odd, walking too far to get to your internet cafe, using a second phone or having a 'suspicious' conversations via voice over ip you can be suspected of terrorism. Love the little disclaimer at the end of it though, just to satisfy the politically correct crowd.

Making an armed society that paranoid.... best of luck guys your going to need it.

America: the land of the terrorist.

Yeah, cause honestly, if someone doesn't think of the multi-conglomerates and corporations... who the fuck will? They'll lose millions against their unimaginable trillions.

It's funny how Piracy, a selfish and anarchic career at it's worst (or a means to breach a countries censorship and suppression at best) is classified a form of terrorism, before extreme right wing Christianity, who are as blood thirsty as any Muslim extremists, but have a well funded army to do the dirty work for them.

I wonder if the FBI realises that they, at this point, have essentially labelled every non-patriotic-american as terrorists at this point. Far as I can tell, they do this to justify their paycheck.

mParadox:

OT: This is... terribly. Hilariously terrifying actually. Makes me appreciate the fact that I'm nowhere near the US of A.

*Ahem*

I believe it's pronounced "oosah".

OT: Well, this is just another piece of stupidity that won't come to anything. Even if it is the FBI (knock on wood).

"attempting to "shield the screen from view of others" should be considered suspicious and potentially engaged in terrorist activities."

In civilized places, someone doing that is usually watching Porn, MLPFiM, or Jeremy Simms cartoons.

So killing thousands of people = singing the happy birthday song?

EDIT: Oops, I misread privacy as a piracy.

I am so, so disappointed in all of you. Did none of you even read the flier itself? This is just a list of suspicious activities, aimed at owners of internet cafes, that they should be aware of. These aren't laws, they aren't FBI training manuals, and they aren't that friggin' serious. In fact, the little handout is in no way different from those "How to Spot A Dope User" that the DARE program used to hand out in the 80s and 90s.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being suspicious of anyone doing any of these things in a public (yet privately owned) internet cafe.

Dilapsor:
In fact, the little handout is in no way different from those "How to Spot A Dope User" that the DARE program used to hand out in the 80s and 90s.

If you had not noticed, the issue at hand is 'tad bit' more serious then some petty weed ownership. Perhaps the person has no other possible internet access point nearby and needs to something private, fill out some forms with private info or what not, does he not have the right to not let all the people present in the establishment know those pieces of information, Yes, yes he does and does he deserve to be punished for not letting random people see his social security number or bank account passwords, NO, no he does not.
You may want to retort on that but still, keep in mind, Paranoia and Ignorance, not unlikely that someone may get the wrong idea, overreact and then ruin perhaps just the day but in the worst case scenario, the life of a perfectly normal law abiding citizen.

I wonder how long it will be until someone writes a satiric "Everyone's a terrorist" song.

On a side-note, the general feel starts seem kinda familiar.

Look! That person is extremely skilled in the use of herbs. Must be witchcraft. BURN AT THE STAKE!

Rings any bells.

Zeckt:
Got to love how the good old US of A is so quick to label people as a terrorist to make the masses agree with what their government does. It's a word meant to instill fear and panic into the masses but the way they are watering down the word a little too much now. \

I could suddenly say my cat is a terrorist if I were to ever disown her, it would make for a good excuse.

The FBI is not the United States of America. They're the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The government is not the United States of America, they're the government.

Will people please stop "labeling" (yeah, see what I did there?) the ENTIRE United States of America by what small groups of people do? PLEASE?

I was born and raised here, but I'm NOT a part of the FBI or the Government, so I dislike being labeled and collectively hated WITH them.

Thank you very much.

Old Father Eternity:

Dilapsor:
In fact, the little handout is in no way different from those "How to Spot A Dope User" that the DARE program used to hand out in the 80s and 90s.

If you had not noticed, the issue at hand is 'tad bit' more serious then some petty weed ownership. Perhaps the person has no other possible internet access point nearby and needs to something private, fill out some forms with private info or what not, does he not have the right to not let all the people present in the establishment know those pieces of information, Yes, yes he does and does he deserve to be punished for not letting random people see his social security number or bank account passwords, NO, no he does not.
You may want to retort on that but still, keep in mind, Paranoia and Ignorance, not unlikely that someone may get the wrong idea, overreact and then ruin perhaps just the day but in the worst case scenario, the life of a perfectly normal law abiding citizen.

I didn't say the situations were same, just the method of raising alertness. All this flier is saying is that owners of internet cafes need to be more alert to what people are doing on their computers. This article has absolutely nothing to do with personal computer privacy. It's not saying, "EVERYONE DOING THIS IS A TERRORIST"; rather, it's simply saying, "Hey, you might want to keep an eye on the shady-looking guy downloading instructions on how to make a pipebomb from a public computer while behind an unauthorized proxy."

michael87cn:

Zeckt:
Got to love how the good old US of A is so quick to label people as a terrorist to make the masses agree with what their government does. It's a word meant to instill fear and panic into the masses but the way they are watering down the word a little too much now. \

I could suddenly say my cat is a terrorist if I were to ever disown her, it would make for a good excuse.

The FBI is not the United States of America. They're the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The government is not the United States of America, they're the government.

Will people please stop "labeling" (yeah, see what I did there?) the ENTIRE United States of America by what small groups of people do? PLEASE?

I was born and raised here, but I'm NOT a part of the FBI or the Government, so I dislike being labeled and collectively hated WITH them.

Thank you very much.

THe goverment of a reprsentive documentary represents that country. It is entirely fair to paint its actions as the views of its country as a whole. Don't like what they are doing, you have 2 ways to do it the democratic process or the right to bear arms. Your goverement is there to be representive of you as a people, if it isnt do soemthing about it...

On the original post is a piece of fear mongering that Fox news would bow down in awe of. THe FBI is not saying this means a person is defintealy a terrorist, they are saying these may be the marks of one so if its worrying you report it to us and our trained anyalists will look into it.

Most reports probably will get the reaction along the lines of thats nothing/oh god another paranoid racist has spoted an arab in an internet cafe/etc

While the FBI/CIA/US gioverment has been reposnible for pushing some dangerously restrictive ideas this leaflet is so from that its untrue.

sorry this isn't the 1950's anymore you can not shout communist or terrorist and expect people not question the ethics of our said government messages. We are not a bunch of sheep or stupid people anymore nor is anyone that stupid to fall for this bs that have the ability to THINK...rant over.

It's times like this that make me hate the idiots living in my country.

Yet another reason to add to a long list of reasons to want to move out of the U.S. and into Germany...

Old Father Eternity:

Dilapsor:
In fact, the little handout is in no way different from those "How to Spot A Dope User" that the DARE program used to hand out in the 80s and 90s.

If you had not noticed, the issue at hand is 'tad bit' more serious then some petty weed ownership. Perhaps the person has no other possible internet access point nearby and needs to something private, fill out some forms with private info or what not, does he not have the right to not let all the people present in the establishment know those pieces of information, Yes, yes he does and does he deserve to be punished for not letting random people see his social security number or bank account passwords, NO, no he does not.
You may want to retort on that but still, keep in mind, Paranoia and Ignorance, not unlikely that someone may get the wrong idea, overreact and then ruin perhaps just the day but in the worst case scenario, the life of a perfectly normal law abiding citizen.

Which is taking one of the things out of context, and not accepting that the hand-out is a list of suspicious public activities as a whole.

It isn't the being secretive that's suspicious.

It's being secretive while using burn phones at an internet cafe across town from his house when he lives across the street from one, while being unduly snippy at people trying to serve him. At a cafe.

That IS suspicious. It might not be 'terrorism' suspicious, but it's worth looking at.

You seem to be overlooking an important part in there.
Paranoia and Ignorance
Now no offence meant, you have bright people in your country but you also have a considerable amount of morons.

M4t3us:

Oh no, I did understand what the flyer is meant to do and I can somewhat see the implications and need for such awareness, thing is: at a time when they fail to put up a bill that'd censor the w.w.w. they start lashing out, first Megaupload, now this... If it had come at any other time, I probably wouldn't have cared, now I just played the obvious troll...

On that note, I do pretty much of everything in that flyer when I'm in public with my PC and I'm not plotting anything, just being savvy about my privacy as much as possible. And according to that same flyer, I could very well be a terrorist. And yes... I suppose I posted this to "rile people up", you know, raise some awareness of my own as to how the Federal Bureau of Investigation sees our day to day activities.

You mean the Megaupload bust that had been in the works for months and had nothing to do with SOPA, but which has become synonymous with it because there's nothing the internet loves more than conspiracy theories....Well, except porn and kittehs.

Or the JRIC, whose name is on the flyer, who has been saying this stuff for years, but that was only reported now, due to the convenience of structuring a false narrative?

Yeah, how suspicious....But not on behalf of the feds.

And seriously, do you drive to cybercafes a great distance from your home, log into a residential email, and insist on paying in cash before you look up how to make bombs? Because if you do all that, yeah, you probably are suspicious. Sorry, but at that point, they're not doing anything unfair in looking into you.

But I digress. You said you were trolling people, and it looks like mission accomplished. Most people didn't look at the flyer or put any thought into it before deciding teh gummit is coming 4 meh!

Ummm...Congrats, I guess?

Zachary Amaranth:
You mean the Megaupload bust that had been in the works for months and had nothing to do with SOPA, but which has become synonymous with it because there's nothing the internet loves more than conspiracy theories....Well, except porn and kittehs.

Or the JRIC, whose name is on the flyer, who has been saying this stuff for years, but that was only reported now, due to the convenience of structuring a false narrative?

Yeah, how suspicious....But not on behalf of the feds.

And seriously, do you drive to cybercafes a great distance from your home, log into a residential email, and insist on paying in cash before you look up how to make bombs? Because if you do all that, yeah, you probably are suspicious. Sorry, but at that point, they're not doing anything unfair in looking into you.

But I digress. You said you were trolling people, and it looks like mission accomplished. Most people didn't look at the flyer or put any thought into it before deciding teh gummit is coming 4 meh!

Ummm...Congrats, I guess?

I write a column for a Portuguese "Lifestyle" magazine, more often than not I need to do some research on the subject and usually those subjects are among those encompassed in the flyer. Do I insist in paying cash? No, I just pay cash because I tend to have it available. Do I drive 4 miles into the city to access an internet café because my connection at home is flaky as all Hell? Yes, constantly... While I'm there I do try to block the view of my screen, mostly due to the "touchy" subjects I'm researching. I own 2 cell phones and 3 SIM cards, all of which from different providers and I often have to swap them around the phones, yes.

And I'm not trolling people, when I said I played the obvious troll it wasn't in regards of deceiving anyone, just, as I said, raising some awareness of my own... and mostly because I'm guilty of 90% of the things on that particular flyer. Human nature, I guess... When something comes a little too close to home. . .

Coincidence or conspiracy is not my place to decide, but shutting Megaupload down after about a week of SOPA getting shelved indefinitely? Does look fishy... The FBI kind of fishy... and now this, only another week later? That's too much of a coincidence for some people, but once again, not my place to decide.

They say sarcasm is hard to convene in prose... but that last sentence is just oozing with it.

kouriichi:
Yes, of course. I must be a terrorist because im covering my screen so the 9 yearold and his mother on the bus beside me doesnt see my HARDCORE TENTACLE ON BLUE HAIRED ASIAN CHICK PRONZ.

You were riding on a bus in an internet cafe? Wow. Colour me impressed.

zerobudgetgamer:
OK, can someone explain what "Evidence of a residential based internet provider" means? Because that sounds like they're saying if you get your Internet from Comcast or AOL, you are immediately a terrorist?

no, they're saying checking it at a cybercafe is one possible flag in a list of many.

Nobody is saying "X makes you a terrorist automatically." Well, save for the people in this thread who either couldn't understand or didn't read the flyer in question. And really, we can't hold their lack of comprehension or willingness to read against the Feds.

teh_Canape:
okay this is starting to get silly now

I agree, though perhaps not for the same reason.

M4t3us:

I write a column for a Portuguese "Lifestyle" magazine, more often than not I need to do some research on the subject and usually those subjects are among those encompassed in the flyer.

Yes, I'm sure lifestyle mags frequently include the purchase of bomb-making chemicals and analysis of structural weak points of locations of interests. Your "lifestyle" column almost certainly has little to do with that list, and since these are not automatic indicators (though you pretended otherwise).

While I'm there I do try to block the view of my screen, mostly due to the "touchy" subjects I'm researching.

Which probably won't get you flagged in itself.

I own 2 cell phones and 3 SIM cards, all of which from different providers and I often have to swap them around the phones, yes.

Oh, well that changes everything. The FBI will be all over you.

And I'm not trolling people, when I said I played the obvious troll it wasn't in regards of deceiving anyone, just, as I said, raising some awareness of my own...

You were raising awareness by being deceitful, and it worked. The cast majority of people in this thread believed you, and now you're trying to say you weren't being deceitful.

And by the way, "playing the obvious troll" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

and mostly because I'm guilty of 90% of the things on that particular flyer.

No, you're not. I doubt you're anywhere near close, especially with the biggest ones.

Human nature, I guess... When something comes a little too close to home. . .

We post deceptive claims and then complain that once in a while someone actually reads our source material and calls them on it?

Coincidence or conspiracy is not my place to decide,

It is when you're the one calling it coincidental or linking them, and you're guilty of both. This is such a Fox News argument. "Well, I made the affirmative argument, but WHO'S TO SAY?"

but shutting Megaupload down after about a week of SOPA getting shelved indefinitely? Does look fishy... The FBI kind of fishy...

Look, you're a journalist, right? I'm a journalist, too. I may only write freelance regional pieces, but that should be more than enough "cred" in this instance. I think we both understand that educated people should look into and verify this sort of thing. Of course, I wouldn't hold you to the same standards as what you're published, but you really should know better. And even cursory research should tell you the FBI had been making this case against Megaupload for at least half a year. There's no reason to claim that this is anything other than coincidence. To call it fishy, to say it even looks that way, is to say "I did not do the research."

and now this, only another week later? That's too much of a coincidence for some people,

Which appears to include you. But again, they've been saying this for ages. This is not something that happened "A week later." you may have found one article proclaiming it, but that's like accusing them of passing the NDAA in response to Megaupload or the death of SOPA simply because you first heard about it a week later.

That's poor understanding of the subject and utterly disingenuous, especially since you said things not about the source material.

but once again, not my place to decide.

Too bad you can't unfire the cannon of false claims and make that valid.

They say sarcasm is hard to convene in prose... but that last sentence is just oozing with it.

Sarcasm is quite easy to determine in prose if one pays attention. It might be the sort of attention that would have been able to avert this sort of thread, so perhaps you don't do it. If it was that hard to determine sarcasm in the written form, satire would have been a dead art in print the day after writing was invented.

But for the record, that was less sarcastic than it was sardonic.

Terrorim causes pyshical harm and death. Piracy only cuts a few dollars from the fat cats already humungous wallet.

Also i'm pretty sure that piracy is a religion in sweeden because all knowledge is holy to them. If the FBI brands them as terrorists we could be looking at another "holy war"

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