Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.

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Midgeamoo:
Ok, so I've kind of found here that this thread, with its 548 replies, is getting pretty ridiculous and pointless now. None of the arguments made for the father or for the girl even matter and have no basis, so lets all go together to the mystical world of logic land, and all find out why together shall we?

The video is 8 minutes long. In it all that we see or hear from this man, is that he is a father of a teenage girl, who has bitched about him behind his back on facebook, after spending money on her laptop for her. He then expresses his frustration with this, and shoots a laptop with a pistol.

Now, I think we should all know here, that relationships between parents and children on average tend to go on for a bit longer than 8 minutes. A lot of events and complications will happen throughout their lives and their relationship, they will feel differently about each other as time goes on, and certain themes will tend to emerge and dissipate as the child begins to grow up, and the parents will react to these themes and phases with the best interest of the child in mind (hopefully). This is a very complex cycle of emotions and conversations and living with each other, that in no way can any of us here comment on having seen the father shoot her laptop on a particular day (even if you do find it immature, angry or funny).

And that's the kicker. Any argument or statement for or against either party on this thread is based on extrapolation, do you see? Everybody watching that video is looking into an 8 minute window of this family's life and circumstances, some people here are assuming, based on this brief 'encounter' with the father here, that he is a gun toting redneck with no parental skills at all, and that he probably has a history of erratic behavior or violence, and that the events preceding this video consisted of bad parenting, him neglecting his daughter and making her work for nothing, and that the events proceeding the video will consist of harsh punishment, more neglecting his daughter and making her life miserable. Others are assuming that the girl is an ungrateful, spoiled brat who had it coming to her, and that the events preceding this video consisted of her constantly moaning at her father, talking about him behind his back and being lazy and not doing her chores, and that the events proceeding the video consisted of her being righteously punished, and her father having her find the values of honest work and independence.

We do not, nor will we ever know, that any of these things are true. Everybody here is guessing from this tiny, insignificant gesture, the true nature of this family's life. Some may be doing it because they have experienced similar spats with their parents, and empathize with the girl, some may be doing it because they dislike people showing disrespect. Either way, you see what you want to see with this video, you are making up your own timeline of this family's history and future either side of this 8 minute video. Some people are trying to psychologically analyse this guy from the way he behaves in front of a camera for a few minutes, some are trying to scrutinize the facebook posts, and I honestly have no clue why, this is none of your business, I'm sure you wouldn't like the rest of the world judging your family issues. These are all pointless gestures anyway, nobody wins from this thread, there's nothing to be debated because we know nothing else of this family, we won't know who 'wins' in the end, but we will know that a lot of people will lose their time when they could at least be discussing something more worthwhile and interesting on this forums, if not just taking a break from them all together (seriously, the level of 'heated discussion' here is getting ridiculous for such a trivial topic, sometimes some people need to take a look at what they're getting so wound up about).

Now I think I'm being too optimistic of the escapist community here when I say this, but it's worth a try:
/thread

Erm, not seeing how any of that means I can't judge what an appropriate reaction to what she said is. Don't really care how inaccurate it is, it was a rant to her friends. That's not really worthy of any particular reaction in my mind.

I can also judge whether it is fair to make someone else pay for something you decided to ruin. She didn't ruin the laptop, didn't ruin the $130 of work, use those bullets. That's just petty to make her pay for them. I can see those things regardless of the further details.

SO!!! That was intense.

The basic issue of this thread appears to be the fact that he used a gun to trash his daughters laptop. Forgetting any and all parenting issues for a moment, lets just focus on the fact that he used a gun to trash a laptop. Oh, and that he also used hollow tip rounds.

Seriously. The kind designed to do maximum damage to someone's anything. Why are these allowed? Why the french expletive are these allowed? What is wrong with this horrible horrible country called america? Citizens can acquire .45's and load them with hollow tip rounds. I... ergh... nyurf...

Okay. Let me give some backstory. I live in DC. The great shining capital. Each year over a hundred people die due to gunshot wounds in the DC metropolitan area alone. My wife's uncle was executed by a gunshot to the back of the head. It was called a case of mistaken identity, because he was widely known as being extremely nice. Basically, he got killed by a gun, from a distance, because some punk thought he was someone else.

Every week in the papers I see further examples of why having loose gun laws DOES. NOT. WORK. When you get a culture where it is okay to take a weapon, a handgun, the kind of gun that is designed for the sole purpose of ending the life of another human being, then something is wrong. Something is failing. If he had pored coke on it it would have been fine. Dropped it in the river? Fine. Thrown it in the bin after dropping a rock on it? Fine. If he had taken a baseball bat to it I would have been a little freaked but fine.

But he decided to shoot it. And everyone around him probably thinks that what he did is fine. Just participating in a violent victimizing system, perfectly cool, boy he sure taught her a lessen didn't he?

That all being said, I question the lessen too. I think he really needs to be asking himself why his daughter feels this way. Teens, despite being pretty stupid, rarely take such drastic action without cause. While the father rationally and it seems accurately addresses his daughters concerns, he then turns around and blows up her laptop. That, to me, speaks of some issues all around. Odds are his daughter is just using the chores as a fighting point to try and express some of the issues actually bothering her that she is probably having trouble articulating. Yea. I'm being a pompous ass and judging someone else's parenting. But seeing as how one day my kids are gonna have to grow up with your kids, I don't see too much problem in telling you that you're DOING IT WRONG.

Edit: I would like to make it clear that I am not saying, per se, that the father is a bad parent. I'm just saying he could do better. Much better in some cases. He has had problems with this before and despite the relatively harsh punishment dealt couldn't stop them. Which means the problem, whatever it was (probably not chores since odds are he really was right about those) did not go away and is still there. He, as the parent, should figure out what the issue actually is and address it instead of blowing up his daughters laptop and making any and all issues worse.

Phoenixlight:
I thought hollow point bullets were illegal?

I'm surprised that on this forum, of all places, nobody has answered this. It's illegal for soldiers to use them in war because of how much more lethal they are to the intended target than other types of bullets. They're actually encouraged for police officers and civilians, because they minimize unintended casualties by being less likely to go all the way through one person's body and into another's. That's why Mr. Jordan used them; it seriously lessened the likelihood of a ricochet.

Apollo45:

From what I extrapolated from the video, the girl's been punished for this sort of thing before. She was warned. And the father wanted to get a bit of a point across. She attempted to humiliate him and his wife on a public forum, and in the process ended up insulting a family friend and possibly significantly hurting her chances at getting a decent job.

It really isn't something worthy of punishment. She was ranting to her friends about her parents. It wasn't on a public forum really, it was to friends of hers. She blocked off other people who would tell her parents. =|

And they're being humiliated by her ranting at him?

It also seems doubtful that she actually significantly hurt her chances at getting a decent job. She made one rant to friends as a teenager, and tried to hide it from some people. And if it was about a job well gee... who turned it into a huge story? Her little rant? Or his youtube post? Really, if we're going to look at it in terms of jobs... who was more irresponsible here? Her or her dad? One person took it to her friends on FB, the other person made a huge production out of it and put it on youtube. If her future job mattered then he shouldn't be spreading it to anyone at all and should simply hope everyone, including her friends, forget about it.

He made a video responding to the letter addressed to him and his wife explaining exactly what his daughter said that was untrue and what was true. Having been a teenager once myself, I'm inclined to believe the father on this one since I know I've lied to my buddies about how awful my parents are too.

Well gee, did your parents come in and break your stuff after that happened? Because that's all she did really.

SnakeoilSage:

axlryder:
You mean his stutter? Yeah, that's called a stutter. He has one. If you've somehow never talked to a person with a stutter in your entire life, just go to his other vids, he has one in those too. Please don't go attempting to admit a person's speech impediment as evidence of some fabricated rage.
I'm sorry, but generally one who employs conjecture and weak correlations as methods of defamation is doing little more than undermining their own credibility.

I recognize a speech impediment; I know people who stutter. I know people who stutter when they're nervous about being in front of audiences and not wanting to screw up, and I know the stutter of people who just stutter regardless of their emotional mindset.

This man has the nervous tic of someone trying to spew bullshit without losing his cool; it stems from him being furious and trying desperately to articulate it in a way that doesn't expose him for the temper-tantrum-throwing child that he's being, the same kind of tic any politician or businessman would get if they got cornered in a press conference and had to maintain a facade to keep from losing face. The discomfort stems from knowing somewhere deep down that he's a mean-spirited bully who got stood up to, and had to draw a firearm because that's where he gets his confidence and power from. If this is how he deals with his anger issues then its no wonder his family is so screwed up. Whether his anger is justified for letting his daughter become self-entitled brat it irrelevant.

more far-reaching, baseless conjecture that makes you look like an uninformed individual who thinks that merely being able to come up with a convoluted explanation for something somehow makes you sound credible. Watch any of his other videos. THE MAN HAS A STUTTER and speaks in the exact same manner in those videos as he does here. You're only further cementing your bias with this absolutely ridiculous attempt at sounding like you know what you're talking about.

usmarine4160:
Actually it is a right in America and that's not going to be changed so you're wrong ;)

Though I agree it was wrong to use a .45 like I said in the other thread. A 12 gauge with buckshot would've been about 20% cooler

Rights CAN be taken away. You have a right to vote, some criminals lost their right to vote with as part of their sentence. Right to bear children, some parents have their children taken away from them because they're not treating them right. Rights can be taken away under certain circumstances.

So she rants about her parents to her friends (which is normal for a teenager) on facebook and blocked off all other users to see the post, to ensure a private conversation.

Hmm...the only thing she'll learn from this is that facebook isn't a good place to rant, better use undocumented chats...

Kudos for him to actually back up his words ...

He should have just sold it, wasting money like this is stujpid ...

hahaha! crazy americans! you sure make me laugh :D

also lol at the 'guns are tools' comments.

Woah. It was a little extreme, but if everything he said is true, and there wasn't anything else going on behind the scenes, she sounds like an entitled little brat that deserved to have her computer taken away. Shooting it was the most over the top way to do it, but it serves as a good example to kids how easy they have things these days. However, I've known some WEIRD conservative christian parents in my time who like to distort the facts, and I have a suspicion that something was going on that wasn't mentioned in the video.

This won't solve anything.
If you got a problem with someone, TALK with them. Don't teach her that it's okay to destroy stuff, as an alternative means of channeling frustrations, instead of confronting the actual issue.
She is 15 years old, ffs. TEACH her how to deal with situations like a mature adult, don't encourage more passive-aggressive actions.

Videos like this, and the amount of likes versus dislikes that video recieved, is the reason why so many people have nothing but contempt for the american mindset.

if i tiered Youtube wherein Nicepeter was at the top and Fred (shudder) was at the bottom that video would be down there with Fred, it just bad, uninteresting.

there's my 2 cents

i think this guy was being an ass. As someone who used to be a teen I know teens do stupid things. It's part of growing up, and we get punished. however, how we are punished doesn't leave us. you complain about your parents and your parent's response is to destroy your things and rage at you..and humiliate you?

you will NOT forget that.

I don't know their stories, but I do know that one of them will regret this later on. She'll regret it now, he'll regret it later.

I never liked my parents forcing me to chores. Don't get me wrong cleaning my mess is one thing, but folding my parents laundry (all of it, underwear and all), cleaning up their room so I can vacuum, their bathroom, were some things at 15 I found unfair. But they would BUY me things in return. Being a gamer when I asked my parents for something it would generally be expensive. Now, I of course would end up cleaning the kitchen, dinning room, living room, bathroom, you know general things I messed up. But thats what I thought was expected as a kid. I mean isn't it?

I didn't have a job until I was 19. While my childhood wasn't like that of kids in some countries as a kid in America it sucked. The last thing I needed was a job to steal even more of my childhood away. My parents agreed as long as I took the consequences in stride. AKA I don't own many "cool" things, I don't own a car, and I take other responsibilities to make up for the fact I refuse to work.

Now I never had a chance to be truly rebellious as a kid. When I turned 18 my parents took me to a club where a comedy skit was taking place. I was immediately kicked out because I was under 21. I never for a minute had the I'm an adult I do what I want attitude. So I can not be 100% positive on this, but I believe this seems to be a normal teenage your not my boss bs. And he just strengthened that rebellious nature by doing this. I very much doubt her friends are going to take the Dad's side. Maybe some parents, but anything that involves a gun tends to get frowned upon.

I think a lot of people judging the man's use of the gun need to get off their high horse. Seriously, he seems to know the rules/laws of gun use better than most people in this thread. We don't know the entire situation of what happened from either side of this so I think that people shouldn't be judging this guy's character simply because he used the gun. He may have have enough of his daughter's disrespect. We were only told of 2 incident of this Facebook rebelliousness, he may have had to ground here many times before. You don't know.

This faux-intellectual attitude is really hampering the community on these forums and this is another case of it. Most posts are coming from people who think that they're Havard Lawyers or the next budding philosopher. It's getting real pretentious reading through this thread. Take a step back and look for a second. Do you really know enough about what went on to be judging this man's parenting abilities?

Mortai Gravesend:

Midgeamoo:
Ok, so I've kind of found here that this thread, with its 548 replies, is getting pretty ridiculous and pointless now. None of the arguments made for the father or for the girl even matter and have no basis, so lets all go together to the mystical world of logic land, and all find out why together shall we?

The video is 8 minutes long. In it all that we see or hear from this man, is that he is a father of a teenage girl, who has bitched about him behind his back on facebook, after spending money on her laptop for her. He then expresses his frustration with this, and shoots a laptop with a pistol.

Now, I think we should all know here, that relationships between parents and children on average tend to go on for a bit longer than 8 minutes. A lot of events and complications will happen throughout their lives and their relationship, they will feel differently about each other as time goes on, and certain themes will tend to emerge and dissipate as the child begins to grow up, and the parents will react to these themes and phases with the best interest of the child in mind (hopefully). This is a very complex cycle of emotions and conversations and living with each other, that in no way can any of us here comment on having seen the father shoot her laptop on a particular day (even if you do find it immature, angry or funny).

And that's the kicker. Any argument or statement for or against either party on this thread is based on extrapolation, do you see? Everybody watching that video is looking into an 8 minute window of this family's life and circumstances, some people here are assuming, based on this brief 'encounter' with the father here, that he is a gun toting redneck with no parental skills at all, and that he probably has a history of erratic behavior or violence, and that the events preceding this video consisted of bad parenting, him neglecting his daughter and making her work for nothing, and that the events proceeding the video will consist of harsh punishment, more neglecting his daughter and making her life miserable. Others are assuming that the girl is an ungrateful, spoiled brat who had it coming to her, and that the events preceding this video consisted of her constantly moaning at her father, talking about him behind his back and being lazy and not doing her chores, and that the events proceeding the video consisted of her being righteously punished, and her father having her find the values of honest work and independence.

We do not, nor will we ever know, that any of these things are true. Everybody here is guessing from this tiny, insignificant gesture, the true nature of this family's life. Some may be doing it because they have experienced similar spats with their parents, and empathize with the girl, some may be doing it because they dislike people showing disrespect. Either way, you see what you want to see with this video, you are making up your own timeline of this family's history and future either side of this 8 minute video. Some people are trying to psychologically analyse this guy from the way he behaves in front of a camera for a few minutes, some are trying to scrutinize the facebook posts, and I honestly have no clue why, this is none of your business, I'm sure you wouldn't like the rest of the world judging your family issues. These are all pointless gestures anyway, nobody wins from this thread, there's nothing to be debated because we know nothing else of this family, we won't know who 'wins' in the end, but we will know that a lot of people will lose their time when they could at least be discussing something more worthwhile and interesting on this forums, if not just taking a break from them all together (seriously, the level of 'heated discussion' here is getting ridiculous for such a trivial topic, sometimes some people need to take a look at what they're getting so wound up about).

Now I think I'm being too optimistic of the escapist community here when I say this, but it's worth a try:
/thread

Erm, not seeing how any of that means I can't judge what an appropriate reaction to what she said is. Don't really care how inaccurate it is, it was a rant to her friends. That's not really worthy of any particular reaction in my mind.

I can also judge whether it is fair to make someone else pay for something you decided to ruin. She didn't ruin the laptop, didn't ruin the $130 of work, use those bullets. That's just petty to make her pay for them. I can see those things regardless of the further details.

You were just told that judging a guy based on an 8 minute YouTube video was ridiculous, so you go back to judging the man based on that same video? Do you know how this 15 year old acts? Do you personally know what either the father or herself is like outside this video? How do you know that the 2 Facebook rants mentioned are the only things that ave happened here? You don't. And that's what Midgeamoo is saying. It's really a criticism of the Escapist Forum community being a bit pretentious and commenting on the situation like we were all jury members to a court case.

An 8 minute YouTube video is not enough to be passing judgment of someone's skills as a parent, or as a human being.

Like I said before, I lot of people in these forums need to get off their high horse.

AzrealMaximillion:
You were just told that judging a guy based on an 8 minute YouTube video was ridiculous, so you go back to judging the man based on that same video? Do you know how this 15 year old acts? Do you personally know what either the father or herself is like outside this video? How do you know that the 2 Facebook rants mentioned are the only things that ave happened here? You don't. And that's what Midgeamoo is saying. It's really a criticism of the Escapist Forum community being a bit pretentious and commenting on the situation like we were all jury members to a court case.

An 8 minute YouTube video is not enough to be passing judgment of someone's skills as a parent, or as a human being.

Like I said before, I lot of people in these forums need to get off their high horse.

Somebody... somebody paid attention to a post that wasn't full of opinions and arguments?
*Angelic music*
Thank you for actually paying attention to my wall of reason, seems nobody else has even bothered and just gets back to quoting each other and telling each other why they are '100% wrong'.

AzrealMaximillion:

Mortai Gravesend:

Midgeamoo:
Ok, so I've kind of found here that this thread, with its 548 replies, is getting pretty ridiculous and pointless now. None of the arguments made for the father or for the girl even matter and have no basis, so lets all go together to the mystical world of logic land, and all find out why together shall we?

The video is 8 minutes long. In it all that we see or hear from this man, is that he is a father of a teenage girl, who has bitched about him behind his back on facebook, after spending money on her laptop for her. He then expresses his frustration with this, and shoots a laptop with a pistol.

Now, I think we should all know here, that relationships between parents and children on average tend to go on for a bit longer than 8 minutes. A lot of events and complications will happen throughout their lives and their relationship, they will feel differently about each other as time goes on, and certain themes will tend to emerge and dissipate as the child begins to grow up, and the parents will react to these themes and phases with the best interest of the child in mind (hopefully). This is a very complex cycle of emotions and conversations and living with each other, that in no way can any of us here comment on having seen the father shoot her laptop on a particular day (even if you do find it immature, angry or funny).

And that's the kicker. Any argument or statement for or against either party on this thread is based on extrapolation, do you see? Everybody watching that video is looking into an 8 minute window of this family's life and circumstances, some people here are assuming, based on this brief 'encounter' with the father here, that he is a gun toting redneck with no parental skills at all, and that he probably has a history of erratic behavior or violence, and that the events preceding this video consisted of bad parenting, him neglecting his daughter and making her work for nothing, and that the events proceeding the video will consist of harsh punishment, more neglecting his daughter and making her life miserable. Others are assuming that the girl is an ungrateful, spoiled brat who had it coming to her, and that the events preceding this video consisted of her constantly moaning at her father, talking about him behind his back and being lazy and not doing her chores, and that the events proceeding the video consisted of her being righteously punished, and her father having her find the values of honest work and independence.

We do not, nor will we ever know, that any of these things are true. Everybody here is guessing from this tiny, insignificant gesture, the true nature of this family's life. Some may be doing it because they have experienced similar spats with their parents, and empathize with the girl, some may be doing it because they dislike people showing disrespect. Either way, you see what you want to see with this video, you are making up your own timeline of this family's history and future either side of this 8 minute video. Some people are trying to psychologically analyse this guy from the way he behaves in front of a camera for a few minutes, some are trying to scrutinize the facebook posts, and I honestly have no clue why, this is none of your business, I'm sure you wouldn't like the rest of the world judging your family issues. These are all pointless gestures anyway, nobody wins from this thread, there's nothing to be debated because we know nothing else of this family, we won't know who 'wins' in the end, but we will know that a lot of people will lose their time when they could at least be discussing something more worthwhile and interesting on this forums, if not just taking a break from them all together (seriously, the level of 'heated discussion' here is getting ridiculous for such a trivial topic, sometimes some people need to take a look at what they're getting so wound up about).

Now I think I'm being too optimistic of the escapist community here when I say this, but it's worth a try:
/thread

Erm, not seeing how any of that means I can't judge what an appropriate reaction to what she said is. Don't really care how inaccurate it is, it was a rant to her friends. That's not really worthy of any particular reaction in my mind.

I can also judge whether it is fair to make someone else pay for something you decided to ruin. She didn't ruin the laptop, didn't ruin the $130 of work, use those bullets. That's just petty to make her pay for them. I can see those things regardless of the further details.

You were just told that judging a guy based on an 8 minute YouTube video was ridiculous, so you go back to judging the man based on that same video?

So, instead of addressing the points I made you're going to whine that I can't judge these things based on... nothing? I pointed out what I could judge. Tell me directly how each case is wrong. How could a little rant like that be worth such a reaction? What would make it fair to force her to pay for that shit? I'll point it out: Nothing.

Do you know how this 15 year old acts?

Doesn't matter to my argument. Now if you read my argument you might notice that and we wouldn't have such stupid sentences cluttering up your post.

Do you personally know what either the father or herself is like outside this video?

Did I make a judgment that requires knowing either of those? Why no, I didn't. Do try to keep to relevant questions.

How do you know that the 2 Facebook rants mentioned are the only things that ave happened here? You don't.

I don't need to if I simply disagree that any rant warrants the reaction seen.

And that's what Midgeamoo is saying. It's really a criticism of the Escapist Forum community being a bit pretentious and commenting on the situation like we were all jury members to a court case.

Pretentious? You mean like someone who runs around asking stupid questions that don't have to do with what was actually said? Like you?

An 8 minute YouTube video is not enough to be passing judgment of someone's skills as a parent, or as a human being.

Right point me to the part where I made an judgment on his parenting skills as a whole. I can't seem to find it.

Like I said before, I lot of people in these forums need to get off their high horse.

Need help getting down?

Midgeamoo:

AzrealMaximillion:
You were just told that judging a guy based on an 8 minute YouTube video was ridiculous, so you go back to judging the man based on that same video? Do you know how this 15 year old acts? Do you personally know what either the father or herself is like outside this video? How do you know that the 2 Facebook rants mentioned are the only things that ave happened here? You don't. And that's what Midgeamoo is saying. It's really a criticism of the Escapist Forum community being a bit pretentious and commenting on the situation like we were all jury members to a court case.

An 8 minute YouTube video is not enough to be passing judgment of someone's skills as a parent, or as a human being.

Like I said before, I lot of people in these forums need to get off their high horse.

Somebody... somebody paid attention to a post that wasn't full of opinions and arguments?
*Angelic music*
Thank you for actually paying attention to my wall of reason, seems nobody else has even bothered and just gets back to quoting each other and telling each other why they are '100% wrong'.

Wall of reason? No, it went beyond reason and into "We can't say anything at all even though we have some evidence right here". Because we can judge whether such a rant deserves any punishment at all.

AzrealMaximillion:
I think a lot of people judging the man's use of the gun need to get off their high horse. Seriously, he seems to know the rules/laws of gun use better than most people in this thread. We don't know the entire situation of what happened from either side of this so I think that people shouldn't be judging this guy's character simply because he used the gun. He may have have enough of his daughter's disrespect. We were only told of 2 incident of this Facebook rebelliousness, he may have had to ground here many times before. You don't know.

This faux-intellectual attitude is really hampering the community on these forums and this is another case of it. Most posts are coming from people who think that they're Havard Lawyers or the next budding philosopher. It's getting real pretentious reading through this thread. Take a step back and look for a second. Do you really know enough about what went on to be judging this man's parenting abilities?

I really have no problem with the gun safety. He was in a secluded area, fired into the ground and used bullets that were less likely to ricochet.

My big problem is with destroying the laptop just to prove a point. That is a valuable piece of property and if he really wanted to teach his daughter a valuable lesson, he could have donated it to charity.

mad825:
Eh, I would've done a similar thing. I would clout a few arrow/bolts into it and I'll be more indiscriminate by using broad-tips. Even if I didn't have a bow/crossbow, I would've used a sledgehammer or similar hitting tool.

I honestly don't see your point and comes across as zealous. He got angry and used his method to destroy the object like anybody would have.

when I get angry I ..... vent, people who damage things because they're angry are primitives

The Last Parade:

when I get angry I ..... vent, people who damage things because they're angry are primitives

I really do think you get pretentious high horse comment of the month for this one.
Calling a man who you don't know a primitive over a short video, that's pretty presumptuous.

The Last Parade:

mad825:
Eh, I would've done a similar thing. I would clout a few arrow/bolts into it and I'll be more indiscriminate by using broad-tips. Even if I didn't have a bow/crossbow, I would've used a sledgehammer or similar hitting tool.

I honestly don't see your point and comes across as zealous. He got angry and used his method to destroy the object like anybody would have.

when I get angry I ..... vent, people who damage things because they're angry are primitives

Yes because venting teaches such a big lesson to the child. Venting is all nice and well but ultimately the purpose of the destruction of the laptop wasn't venting , it was teaching a lesson.

Then you are part of the Gen-X problem, not the solution that raised the rest of us.

Then you are part of the Gen-X problem, not the solution that raised the rest of us.

axlryder:
more far-reaching, baseless conjecture that makes you look like an uninformed individual who thinks that merely being able to come up with a convoluted explanation for something somehow makes you sound credible. Watch any of his other videos. THE MAN HAS A STUTTER and speaks in the exact same manner in those videos as he does here. You're only further cementing your bias with this absolutely ridiculous attempt at sounding like you know what you're talking about.

Alright, he has a stutter. And yes, I am biased, because he OPENED FIRE ON HIS DAUGHTER'S LAPTOP and has clearly got rage issues. Not only are you going out of your way to defend him just to spite an offhand generalization, you're avoiding my point entirely. And my point isn't that he's got a stutter, or that he's from the South, or that he's white or Christian or Republican, it's that he OPENED FIRE ON HIS DAUGHTER'S LAPTOP.

It's like if we were driving a Ford, and the engine of our car suddenly exploded. We crawl out of the wreck, and I make some offhanded remark about how shit Ford cars are. And you just tear into me, calling me out for making a generalization about Ford and dancing around what I can clearly see is this urge to call me a fucking idiot, and yet the ENGINE. STILL. EXPLODED.

You're opinion is invalidated because whether he's stuttering out of rage or just nerves, he still OPENED FIRE ON HIS DAUGHTER'S LAPTOP.

SnakeoilSage:

axlryder:
more far-reaching, baseless conjecture that makes you look like an uninformed individual who thinks that merely being able to come up with a convoluted explanation for something somehow makes you sound credible. Watch any of his other videos. THE MAN HAS A STUTTER and speaks in the exact same manner in those videos as he does here. You're only further cementing your bias with this absolutely ridiculous attempt at sounding like you know what you're talking about.

Alright, he has a stutter. And yes, I am biased, because he OPENED FIRE ON HIS DAUGHTER'S LAPTOP and has clearly got rage issues. Not only are you going out of your way to defend him just to spite an offhand generalization, you're avoiding my point entirely. And my point isn't that he's got a stutter, or that he's from the South, or that he's white or Christian or Republican, it's that he OPENED FIRE ON HIS DAUGHTER'S LAPTOP.

It's like if we were driving a Ford, and the engine of our car suddenly exploded. We crawl out of the wreck, and I make some offhanded remark about how shit Ford cars are. And you just tear into me, calling me out for making a generalization about Ford and dancing around what I can clearly see is this urge to call me a fucking idiot, and yet the ENGINE. STILL. EXPLODED.

You're opinion is invalidated because whether he's stuttering out of rage or just nerves, he still OPENED FIRE ON HIS DAUGHTER'S LAPTOP.

what I was doing was doing is calling you out on attempting to draw parallels between a man who uses questionable parenting tactics and people who brutally kill mass numbers of people and feel they are doing god's work in doing so. I was also calling you out on attempting to admit a man's speech impediment as evidence against his character. You're not just insulting Tommy here, you're insulting people with speech impediments (as Tommy's speech patterns here strongly reflect the speech patterns of the 4 or so stutterers I've met), basically implying they all sound like raving terrorists.

What I find hilarious is that you use a bad analogy to try and defend your bad analogy and then say my opinion is somehow "invalidated".

If you had merely said "shooting his daughters laptop was childish and wasteful" I wouldn't have cared, since that's a fair assessment of his actions.

Also, no, I don't want to call you a fucking idiot because I don't think you're a fucking idiot. I'm sure you're a fine dude of reasonable intelligence. I just found your statement to be offensive and I don't think you fully understood where I was coming from. I think you might be a little bull headed but I don't consider that a trait worth admonishing (not exclusively because I can be the same way).

axlryder:
what I was doing was doing is calling you out on attempting to draw parallels between a man who uses questionable parenting tactics and people who brutally kill mass numbers of people and feel they are doing god's work in doing so. I was also calling you out on attempting to admit a man's speech impediment as evidence against his character. You're not just insulting Tommy here, you're insulting people with speech impediments (as Tommy's speech patterns strongly reflect the 4 or so stutterers I've met), basically saying they all sound like raving terrorists.

What I find hilarious is that you use a bad analogy to try and defend your bad analogy.

Why, did a Ford save your life once?

You want to know why I chose to compare this guy with a religious extremist? Because a lot of the things he said are an echo of a case that recently happened up here in Canada. All 3 guilty in Shafia murder trial; judge condemns twisted concept of honour.

A father - along with his wife and son - murder his four daughters because he thought they were disrespecting him and the family. Draw your own parallels.

If you don't like that I think his stutter stems from some underlying rage issue, fine, that's your opinion, but the fact that he's willing to discharge a handgun in an act of "tough love" only validates my point, stutter or not.

SnakeoilSage:

axlryder:
what I was doing was doing is calling you out on attempting to draw parallels between a man who uses questionable parenting tactics and people who brutally kill mass numbers of people and feel they are doing god's work in doing so. I was also calling you out on attempting to admit a man's speech impediment as evidence against his character. You're not just insulting Tommy here, you're insulting people with speech impediments (as Tommy's speech patterns strongly reflect the 4 or so stutterers I've met), basically saying they all sound like raving terrorists.

What I find hilarious is that you use a bad analogy to try and defend your bad analogy.

Why, did a Ford save your life once?

You want to know why I chose to compare this guy with a religious extremist? Because a lot of the things he said are an echo of a case that recently happened up here in Canada. All 3 guilty in Shafia murder trial; judge condemns twisted concept of honour.

A father - along with his wife and son - murder his four daughters because he thought they were disrespecting him and the family. Draw your own parallels.

If you don't like that I think his stutter stems from some underlying rage issue, fine, that's your opinion, but the fact that he's willing to discharge a handgun in an act of "tough love" only validates my point, stutter or not.

oh, so something has to save your life for you to be offended when someone unfairly compares it to a terrorist group? What kind of twisted logic is that?

First, you never acknowledged the obvious and insulting parallel you (seemingly unconsciously) drew between those with a stutter and raving terrorists

secondly, you also never acknowledge the Ford analogy was a terrible one. It'd be more accurate if you had said "damn Chevys" and I was like "bro, this isn't a Chevy". It'd be even more accurate if Chevys killed hundreds of people when their "engines exploded" and the car we were driving calmly destroys a single laptop. At that point, I think it'd be an obvious difference worth pointing out. Even with those amendments it's still a bad analogy (which is why I generally hate analogies in debates, they usually are terrible or unequivocal in some way).

thirdly, you seem to be taking a completely separate incident that MIGHT have SOME similarities to the Facebook video (potential similarities I'm not even speculating on) and then somehow acting as though that allows you to draw parallels to something totally unrelated. That's not how logic works. Just because thing (A) has similarities to thing (B) and thing (B) has similarities to thing (C) it doesn't mean you can suddenly say thing (A) is JUST like thing (C) to the point of feigning belief that they're one in the same (your first post). I'm not even going to go into whether or not your news story actually is a good comparison because it's not relevant to your terrorist analogy which is what I initially found offense with. I'm not going to let this splinter off into a separate debate or allow you to shift the focus of the argument. Now if this is your way of admitting that the terrorist analogy was a bad one, fine, we're done here.

fourthly, if you're honestly trying to speculate what his stutter stems from, you are being ignorant. You can't possibly know the multitude of variables present in this man's life from his birth to where he is now. To presume such a thing based on his actions in a single video is wrong. It's wrong from a logical perspective and from a moral perspective.

You've done nothing to validate your initial comparison between Tommy Jordan and a terrorist. Again, to make such a comparison is poorly thought out at best. It's much better to just point out exactly what you think is wrong with what happened instead of relying on unwisely drawn comparisons between one issue and another issue that is indefensibly worse.

Gah, lot's of anti-American hate here.... Fine, I can be anti-U.Kian or something... To 4chan for ideas!

Stalydan:
but he doesn't just sit her down and say "I told you what would happen if I found you posting something like this one Facebook again",

He did tell her what would happen if she did it again and he follows through, if you listen to the video he says "Last time this happened I told you i'd put a bullet through your laptop." He just proved to his stuck up bitch of a daughter that he does not make idle threats.

Anyways, Kudos to the parent for making it public and following through with what he said he was going to do.

I have to blame him for her being a bitch in the first place though. She sounds like a spoiled cunt that should have been doing what was asked of her. She's got a maid (he calls it a house keeper in the video) for fuck's sake. She rarely has to do anything for herself from the way it sounds.

For everyone here saying that he violated her privacy, you are delusional or probably young and demand privacy. Children should be grateful for any shred privacy given to them by parents. They should see it as heightened trust and never break that trust. They have no legal or moral right to privacy, period. She's under 18. She is his responsibility and he has every right to keep tabs on her. She's a child, not an adult.

Kashrlyyk:

Then they wouldn't be rights, they're be privileges, and that means it's a hell of a lot easier for the government to suppress people. This is the exact opposite of what James Madison wanted.

The second amendment was written at a time when 6 bullets per MINUTE was a fast shooter! I am convinced that it would have never been added if at that time modern weapons were around.

Well, you are wrong. It was written to give the people a means to defend itself from a tyrannical government if ever needed. Government should fear the people, not the other way around.

alandavidson:
Fun fact to any parent wanting to do this to their kid's laptop:

Once you give someone something, it's that person's property. Even if you're a parent giving your kid something. The argument "I paid for it, so I can do whatever I want with it" doesn't actually hold water.

What we just witnessed was a guy filming himself stealing and destroying someone else's property - a felony offence.

Parents, please discipline your kids, but don't be idiots about it.

You are wrong. In the United States, unless she is married or has given birth to a child, the parent or legal guardian assumes all responsibility for the child until they turn 18, therefore whatever the child has is the property of the parent until that age. Take a car for example. The care must be in the Mother or father's name until the child turns 18. The child can be a Co-owner, but does not actually own ANY property until they turn 18. On that same had, whatever the child does with the laptop/car/property also falls on the parents shoulders. Therefore, he was shooting HIS laptop he allowed his daughter to use.

Spartan448:
This is exactly why I hate people from his generation. They're ignorant, sleazy, good-for-nothing, and are willing to go to any extreme to keep their children in slave labor without even an allowance for as long as possible legally. He shouldn't be forcing his kid to make coffee for him, and he shouldn't not be paying her for the chores she does. He should be prioritizing her schoolwork over chores or yardwork that he wants done, should be prioritizing her future over his wants. But no. I'll bet he does that purposely so that she won't HAVE a future to leave to, and so that he can keep her working into her adulthood. And then, this shouldn't even be something she was punished for. This is AMERICA, goddamnit! WE HAVE RIGHTS HERE. KIDS ARE ALLOWED TO TALK LIKE THAT ABOUT ANYONE THEY WANT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE GODFORSAKEN FIRST AMMENDMENT! A lot of Americans (And I'm sure this fat-ass is included) say that the Government is often trying to take away their rights to religion, free speech, ect. And then things like this happen that make them the biggest hippocrytes in the world. Severe punishment for saying words is not free speech.

Again kids have no rights in the United States until they turn 18, get married, or get knocked up. Asking a child to do housework is perfectly acceptable and teaches them how to do things for themselves.

Mortai Gravesend:

AzrealMaximillion:

Mortai Gravesend:

Erm, not seeing how any of that means I can't judge what an appropriate reaction to what she said is. Don't really care how inaccurate it is, it was a rant to her friends. That's not really worthy of any particular reaction in my mind.

I can also judge whether it is fair to make someone else pay for something you decided to ruin. She didn't ruin the laptop, didn't ruin the $130 of work, use those bullets. That's just petty to make her pay for them. I can see those things regardless of the further details.

You were just told that judging a guy based on an 8 minute YouTube video was ridiculous, so you go back to judging the man based on that same video?

So, instead of addressing the points I made you're going to whine that I can't judge these things based on... nothing? I pointed out what I could judge. Tell me directly how each case is wrong. How could a little rant like that be worth such a reaction? What would make it fair to force her to pay for that shit? I'll point it out: Nothing.

Do you know how this 15 year old acts?

Doesn't matter to my argument. Now if you read my argument you might notice that and we wouldn't have such stupid sentences cluttering up your post.

Do you personally know what either the father or herself is like outside this video?

Did I make a judgment that requires knowing either of those? Why no, I didn't. Do try to keep to relevant questions.

How do you know that the 2 Facebook rants mentioned are the only things that ave happened here? You don't.

I don't need to if I simply disagree that any rant warrants the reaction seen.

And that's what Midgeamoo is saying. It's really a criticism of the Escapist Forum community being a bit pretentious and commenting on the situation like we were all jury members to a court case.

Pretentious? You mean like someone who runs around asking stupid questions that don't have to do with what was actually said? Like you?

An 8 minute YouTube video is not enough to be passing judgment of someone's skills as a parent, or as a human being.

Right point me to the part where I made an judgment on his parenting skills as a whole. I can't seem to find it.

Like I said before, I lot of people in these forums need to get off their high horse.

Need help getting down?

Rather than back up your judgments, you're just going to sit there and make smug and pretentious shots? Kind of proves my point pal.

And you saying you don't need more than a YouTube video to make a judgment on how someone handles a situation that could've been a situation brewing for years is really mind boggling. Your essential saying that nothing in the world could've led to his reaction? Because you know the situation?

Really are you warm in your glass house?

Midgeamoo:

AzrealMaximillion:
You were just told that judging a guy based on an 8 minute YouTube video was ridiculous, so you go back to judging the man based on that same video? Do you know how this 15 year old acts? Do you personally know what either the father or herself is like outside this video? How do you know that the 2 Facebook rants mentioned are the only things that ave happened here? You don't. And that's what Midgeamoo is saying. It's really a criticism of the Escapist Forum community being a bit pretentious and commenting on the situation like we were all jury members to a court case.

An 8 minute YouTube video is not enough to be passing judgment of someone's skills as a parent, or as a human being.

Like I said before, I lot of people in these forums need to get off their high horse.

Somebody... somebody paid attention to a post that wasn't full of opinions and arguments?
*Angelic music*
Thank you for actually paying attention to my wall of reason, seems nobody else has even bothered and just gets back to quoting each other and telling each other why they are '100% wrong'.

They're just arguing for the sake of making them-self feel right, so they'll deny any rationality you bring up. To them you're already wrong and are stupid for no thinking like them.

AzrealMaximillion:

Mortai Gravesend:

AzrealMaximillion:
You were just told that judging a guy based on an 8 minute YouTube video was ridiculous, so you go back to judging the man based on that same video?

So, instead of addressing the points I made you're going to whine that I can't judge these things based on... nothing? I pointed out what I could judge. Tell me directly how each case is wrong. How could a little rant like that be worth such a reaction? What would make it fair to force her to pay for that shit? I'll point it out: Nothing.

Do you know how this 15 year old acts?

Doesn't matter to my argument. Now if you read my argument you might notice that and we wouldn't have such stupid sentences cluttering up your post.

Do you personally know what either the father or herself is like outside this video?

Did I make a judgment that requires knowing either of those? Why no, I didn't. Do try to keep to relevant questions.

How do you know that the 2 Facebook rants mentioned are the only things that ave happened here? You don't.

I don't need to if I simply disagree that any rant warrants the reaction seen.

And that's what Midgeamoo is saying. It's really a criticism of the Escapist Forum community being a bit pretentious and commenting on the situation like we were all jury members to a court case.

Pretentious? You mean like someone who runs around asking stupid questions that don't have to do with what was actually said? Like you?

An 8 minute YouTube video is not enough to be passing judgment of someone's skills as a parent, or as a human being.

Right point me to the part where I made an judgment on his parenting skills as a whole. I can't seem to find it.

Like I said before, I lot of people in these forums need to get off their high horse.

Need help getting down?

Rather than back up your judgments, you're just going to sit there and make smug and pretentious shots? Kind of proves my point pal.

What's that? You're going to ignore the fact I discredited how any of your points had anything to do with my 2 judgments? Damn that's an interesting case of willful ignorance.

And you saying you don't need more than a YouTube video to make a judgment on how someone handles a situation that could've been a situation brewing for years is really mind boggling. Your essential saying that nothing in the world could've led to his reaction? Because you know the situation?

I'm saying that it should not be the straw that broke the camel's back because it's not a goddamn straw in the first place. Is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? I'm saying that venting is a non-issue, there's nothing to justify punishing venting.

Really are you warm in your glass house?

You seem to have mistaken me being outside your glass house with a brick for me being in my own ;D

I wouldn't have shot the laptop, but then again I'm not wearing a cowboy hat. I would have deprived that girl of the luxury(!) of having a laptop. and i would say this parenting session was probably educational for the daughter.

So this wasn't bad parenting at all.

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