Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.

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out of couriosity how do we know if the child was telling the truth or not she might of been the dad could be abusive for all we know... just saying

I think using a gun to shoot the laptop was too much. Seriously, wouldn't it have been better to confiscate the thing rather than using a weapon to destroy it? End of the day, the girl doesn't have a laptop any more anyway.

Also, to all those claiming that he was in the right because the girl was a 'selfish, spoiled, bitch...etc etc' how do you think she go that way, hmm? clearly the man's sterling parenting skills should have prevented her from growing up spoiled right? Right?

I'm not saying she shouldn't be punished. However, I think destroying the computer with a gun says more unfortunate things about that man's emotional stability than it does positive things about his ability to discipline his daughter and teach her how to treat other people.

If those are the kinds of methods he's always used to 'discipline' his daughter, clearly (by her behaviour) they haven't been very effective anyway. Perhaps he needs to start behaving like a mature, well-balanced individual himself instead of destroying things in order to 'teach someone a lesson'.

Ramzal:

usmarine4160:
Actually it is a right in America and that's not going to be changed so you're wrong ;)

Though I agree it was wrong to use a .45 like I said in the other thread. A 12 gauge with buckshot would've been about 20% cooler

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual. When someone boycotts someone's funeral, they should be sued for disturbing the peace and harassment, when someone unloads an entire clip into a computer for the sake of being angry they should lose their right to use a firearm due to displaying little to no discipline with the tool.

I'm not wrong since our rights have been violated anyway, as our right to a fair trial when under arrest has been revoked anyway. (Which I do no see any positive outcome from and I do not support.) A gun is not a plaything or a toy. I'm not sure if you a trolling or you are honestly that deluded.

Edit: Besides, the law states that American's have the right to bare arms. Not to discharge them under any circumstance.

I think you may be overreacting a bit here. He didn't appear to be angry, just disappointed. He fired his pistol in a controlled and safe manner. What he did may have been a little extreme but he did say he had punished her multiple times before and warned her each time. You gotta stick to your guns and follow through when you tell your kid what will happen when they disobey you again. I'll say it once more What he did was a little extreme, but kudos to him for following through. If he shot his kid in a fit of rage that would be a different story, but taking it out on the computer your ungrateful kid made you spend all day upgrading? I find that not worth your reaction.

Maybe he'd have a better relationship with his daughter if he didn't unload a firearm into an expensive piece of technology because she made him angry.

Don Savik:
I like how emotional damage is ok nowadays. If he would've taken off his belt and whipped her he would've been the scourge of the internet, but instead, telling the internet that she is a stuck up bitch and humiliating her for everyone to see without her being able to defend herself OVER A MUTHA --CKING FACEBOOK POST is encouraged with much gusto.

This is a generational problem, of old idiot americans not being able to adapt to modern norms. What kind of kid is supposed to do those ridiculous chores? She isn't a goddam farmhand or a maid.

F this country.

Seconded. I don't know if there's a more elegant metaphor for conservative America's relationship with the modern age than a Southern father unloading a gun into a laptop. It's just desperate, reactionary, emotional defiance.

Being a parent may not be how he imagined it being, but shooting up a laptop over it is pointless and, honestly, kind of pathetic.

RedBird:

That wasn't my main point, but, to adress that, It seems slightly worrying your dad had you killing animals from a young age. I don't want to turn this into a personal thing, But good parents don't give their kids guns, point them at a small woodland creature and say 'go nuts.'

That's an awfully biased and uneducated statement. If His dad teaches him how to hunt at a young age then I say great. Teaches one how to live off the land. I hate how so many people separate hunting and say, fishing, into two different camps. At the end of the day, your learning how to kill an animal for food, at least that's the reason why most of my friends hunt. So what makes the distinction between river fishing and deer hunting? A stupid man with a fishing line can hurt themselves almost as badly as a stupid man with a gun.

a ginger491:

RedBird:

That wasn't my main point, but, to adress that, It seems slightly worrying your dad had you killing animals from a young age. I don't want to turn this into a personal thing, But good parents don't give their kids guns, point them at a small woodland creature and say 'go nuts.'

That's an awfully biased and uneducated statement. If His dad teaches him how to hunt at a young age then I say great. Teaches one how to live off the land. I hate how so many people separate hunting and say, fishing, into two different camps. At the end of the day, your learning how to kill an animal for food, at least that's the reason why most of my friends hunt. So what makes the distinction between river fishing and deer hunting? A stupid man with a fishing line can hurt themselves almost as badly as a stupid man with a gun.

He may be referring to the those that hunt for sport, wasting a perfectly good animal for no reason than self-gratification.

On topic, the man's in the right. If you bothered to pay attention to the whole video this WAS the final straw.

Mordwyl:

On topic, the man's in the right. If you bothered to pay attention to the whole video this WAS the final straw.

Yes, an online rant to friends that he wasn't meant to see was the final straw. Gotta make sure people don't vent to their friends.

Vuliev:

RedBird:

Vuliev:
While I don't condone unloading an entire 9mm clip into a laptop, his exposal and rebuttal is perfectly fine. Every teen needs to have the "don't be a spoiled brat" lesson, and this way is particularly effective.

I would have snapped the laptop over my knee on camera instead.

EDIT: Now that I think rationally about it, I would have confronted my daughter, than snapped the laptop over my knee in front of her. No YouTube.

I'm sorry, every teen needs the dont be a spoiled brat lesson? So All teens are being assosciated with that spoilt little bitch?
A) Good parenting doesn't involve guns
B) Every teen is not an entitled little shit
C) You can't make a general statement like that and expect someone not to disagree.

I will however admit most teens do, but theres at least 50 or 40% of teens who arent

Well, I do think you're reading a bit into my statement. I wasn't trying to say that every teen is like that little bitch at some point--because that's certainly not the case--but every teen does need to understand that they can't be a self-entitled twat for the rest of their life.

You achieve that lesson by either
a) good parenting (working that lesson into your children slowly from the time they're born, so that they come to their own understanding as to why they shouldn't be a twat)
b) letting things get out of hand, then bringing down the "anti-twat hammer" (as in this case.)

(b) is obviously the bad option, as it can lead to other issues, but given the circumstances it's rather effective for its purpose and time constraints. Still, it's better than nothing and letting the child become a social monster that is incapable of properly functioning among both peers and elders.

(I also realize this is three days past, but I've had poor internet service for a few days, and I didn't want to leave you with the wrong impression.)

S'all good, currently anytime I hear about teenagers anywhere its that we've been stabbing, getting pregnant, being spoiled(Thats largely america) and I was in a bit of a Mood toward it all. My first thought is when I hear stuff like that "Why aren't there more cosplayers and nerds? We wouldn't have this problem then, now would we?" So it largely me being annoyed with society.

He didn't hurt anyone nor scared anyone. case closed

People give too much attention to a guy using a weapon the wrong way,although i would agree that he could have donated it to charity or something.laptops aren't cheap

DO NOT take this as a Not giving a shit post,please its just my opinion.sorry for bad English

mechanixis:

Seconded. I don't know if there's a more elegant metaphor for conservative America's relationship with the modern age than a Southern father unloading a gun into a laptop. It's just desperate, reactionary, emotional defiance.

Just pointing out, he says he works in IT. It's not like he shot the laptop because he's afraid of technology.

I don't see a problem with the video. It seems to me that the only reason he used his .45 to destroy the laptop was to make a point. His over-the-top method certainly did work didn't it? Look at how much discussion it generated.

Those crying, "He's violent," are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Mortai Gravesend:

Mordwyl:

On topic, the man's in the right. If you bothered to pay attention to the whole video this WAS the final straw.

Yes, an online rant to friends that he wasn't meant to see was the final straw. Gotta make sure people don't vent to their friends.

He paraphrased what she said. It was addressed to him, yet did not bother to tell him nor allow him to see it apparently. Personally I would have gone with something more graphic or practical than shoot the laptop, but it goes beyond a Facebook rant. He's her father, so is the most likely the one that knows her best to get the point across.

Mordwyl:

Mortai Gravesend:

Mordwyl:

On topic, the man's in the right. If you bothered to pay attention to the whole video this WAS the final straw.

Yes, an online rant to friends that he wasn't meant to see was the final straw. Gotta make sure people don't vent to their friends.

He paraphrased what she said. It was addressed to him, yet did not bother to tell him nor allow him to see it apparently. Personally I would have gone with something more graphic or practical than shoot the laptop, but it goes beyond a Facebook rant. He's her father, so is the most likely the one that knows her best to get the point across.

It was clearly not meant for him even if it was 'addressed' to him since she wasn't allowing him to see it. And it's a petty thing to do to punish her for something so minor.

Mortai Gravesend:

Mordwyl:

Mortai Gravesend:

Yes, an online rant to friends that he wasn't meant to see was the final straw. Gotta make sure people don't vent to their friends.

He paraphrased what she said. It was addressed to him, yet did not bother to tell him nor allow him to see it apparently. Personally I would have gone with something more graphic or practical than shoot the laptop, but it goes beyond a Facebook rant. He's her father, so is the most likely the one that knows her best to get the point across.

It was clearly not meant for him even if it was 'addressed' to him since she wasn't allowing him to see it. And it's a petty thing to do to punish her for something so minor.

He paid for the laptop AND the upgrades. By all definition it was still his. Did she do ANYTHING to earn the privilege (it's not a right to get your parents to buy you an expensive piece of hardware) of having a PC? Did she even thank him? All he asked is that she does a few measly chores any regular teenager would. Hell I'm still in my early twenties and my father used to make me do ten times what he requested when I was younger than her. Same generation example right there.

I'm not taking sides, just view this from an unbiased perspective.

Mordwyl:

Mortai Gravesend:

Mordwyl:
He paraphrased what she said. It was addressed to him, yet did not bother to tell him nor allow him to see it apparently. Personally I would have gone with something more graphic or practical than shoot the laptop, but it goes beyond a Facebook rant. He's her father, so is the most likely the one that knows her best to get the point across.

It was clearly not meant for him even if it was 'addressed' to him since she wasn't allowing him to see it. And it's a petty thing to do to punish her for something so minor.

He paid for the laptop AND the upgrades. By all definition it was still his. Did she do ANYTHING to earn the privilege (it's not a right to get your parents to buy you an expensive piece of hardware) of having a PC? Did she even thank him? All he asked is that she does a few measly chores any regular teenager would. Hell I'm still in my early twenties and my father used to make me do ten times what he requested when I was younger than her. Same generation example right there.

I'm not taking sides, just view this from an unbiased perspective.

No, you're pretty damn biased here. You keep ignoring the fact that what she did wasn't some awful thing that needed to be punished. The laptop doesn't matter, what matters is if she should have been punished in the first place. And I'd say no because it's just a rant meant to go to her friends. Which you did not address at all in your post.

Mortai Gravesend:

Mordwyl:

Mortai Gravesend:

It was clearly not meant for him even if it was 'addressed' to him since she wasn't allowing him to see it. And it's a petty thing to do to punish her for something so minor.

He paid for the laptop AND the upgrades. By all definition it was still his. Did she do ANYTHING to earn the privilege (it's not a right to get your parents to buy you an expensive piece of hardware) of having a PC? Did she even thank him? All he asked is that she does a few measly chores any regular teenager would. Hell I'm still in my early twenties and my father used to make me do ten times what he requested when I was younger than her. Same generation example right there.

I'm not taking sides, just view this from an unbiased perspective.

No, you're pretty damn biased here. You keep ignoring the fact that what she did wasn't some awful thing that needed to be punished. The laptop doesn't matter, what matters is if she should have been punished in the first place. And I'd say no because it's just a rant meant to go to her friends. Which you did not address at all in your post.

She pretty much slandered him on facebook for everyone but him to see, using a computer he bought and under a roof he provides, I did 20 times that work when I was that age, did I like it? No, did I go behind my parents back and slander them? No, did I get to keep my dirtbike...Yes because I have respect for people.

Also, think if the reverse had happened and he started posting about her being an undeserving spoiled little brat who does nothing but soak up money and sit around on facebook all day, hidden behind her back, you would be outraged at him.

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

Mordwyl:
He paid for the laptop AND the upgrades. By all definition it was still his. Did she do ANYTHING to earn the privilege (it's not a right to get your parents to buy you an expensive piece of hardware) of having a PC? Did she even thank him? All he asked is that she does a few measly chores any regular teenager would. Hell I'm still in my early twenties and my father used to make me do ten times what he requested when I was younger than her. Same generation example right there.

I'm not taking sides, just view this from an unbiased perspective.

No, you're pretty damn biased here. You keep ignoring the fact that what she did wasn't some awful thing that needed to be punished. The laptop doesn't matter, what matters is if she should have been punished in the first place. And I'd say no because it's just a rant meant to go to her friends. Which you did not address at all in your post.

She pretty much slandered him on facebook for everyone but him to see, using a computer he bought and under a roof he provides, I did 20 times that work when I was that age, did I like it? No, did I go behind my parents back and slander them? No, did I get to keep my dirtbike...Yes because I have respect for people.

Slander? Nah. Ranting to friends, sure. Oh boohoo, he bough the computer, she lives in his house. Doesn't mean she should be disallowed from ranting to friends. If she wants to vent, however much she is in the wrong about it, she should be allowed to.

I also don't give a fuck how much work you did or whatever. Not. The. Issue.

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

No, you're pretty damn biased here. You keep ignoring the fact that what she did wasn't some awful thing that needed to be punished. The laptop doesn't matter, what matters is if she should have been punished in the first place. And I'd say no because it's just a rant meant to go to her friends. Which you did not address at all in your post.

She pretty much slandered him on facebook for everyone but him to see, using a computer he bought and under a roof he provides, I did 20 times that work when I was that age, did I like it? No, did I go behind my parents back and slander them? No, did I get to keep my dirtbike...Yes because I have respect for people.

Slander? Nah. Ranting to friends, sure. Oh boohoo, he bough the computer, she lives in his house. Doesn't mean she should be disallowed from ranting to friends. If she wants to vent, however much she is in the wrong about it, she should be allowed to.

I also don't give a fuck how much work you did or whatever. Not. The. Issue.

she can walk to her friends and rant now cant she, look what her ranting gained her.
besides what is the issue?

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

She pretty much slandered him on facebook for everyone but him to see, using a computer he bought and under a roof he provides, I did 20 times that work when I was that age, did I like it? No, did I go behind my parents back and slander them? No, did I get to keep my dirtbike...Yes because I have respect for people.

Slander? Nah. Ranting to friends, sure. Oh boohoo, he bough the computer, she lives in his house. Doesn't mean she should be disallowed from ranting to friends. If she wants to vent, however much she is in the wrong about it, she should be allowed to.

I also don't give a fuck how much work you did or whatever. Not. The. Issue.

she can walk to her friends and rant now cant she,

Or do it online. No appreciable difference unless someone makes an issue out of nothing.

look what her ranting gained her.

Because her dad was unreasonable? Stupid logic there, I'm talking about whether it was justified. Pointing at what it got her is irrelevant.

besides what is the issue?

Whether what she did was worthy of punishment. Not whether it was correct or not or about bragging how much you did without complaining.

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

Slander? Nah. Ranting to friends, sure. Oh boohoo, he bough the computer, she lives in his house. Doesn't mean she should be disallowed from ranting to friends. If she wants to vent, however much she is in the wrong about it, she should be allowed to.

I also don't give a fuck how much work you did or whatever. Not. The. Issue.

she can walk to her friends and rant now cant she,

Or do it online. No appreciable difference unless someone makes an issue out of nothing.

look what her ranting gained her.

Because her dad was unreasonable? Stupid logic there, I'm talking about whether it was justified. Pointing at what it got her is irrelevant.

besides what is the issue?

Whether what she did was worthy of punishment. Not whether it was correct or not or about bragging how much you did without complaining.

As the parent it is his right to choose which luxuries he provides, her post was meant to slander him to her friends and paint him as a bad person without him having a chance to defend himself, because she hid it proves she new what she was posting would result in punishment. He did not punish her he merely removed a luxury which he provided. Its a good lesson to learn in life, imagine 20 years from now she posted something similar about her boss and her boss found out and fired her, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Also I was not bragging just saying that her saying that the chores were unreasonable was to me unreasonable.

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

she can walk to her friends and rant now cant she,

Or do it online. No appreciable difference unless someone makes an issue out of nothing.

look what her ranting gained her.

Because her dad was unreasonable? Stupid logic there, I'm talking about whether it was justified. Pointing at what it got her is irrelevant.

besides what is the issue?

Whether what she did was worthy of punishment. Not whether it was correct or not or about bragging how much you did without complaining.

As the parent it is his right to choose which luxuries he provides

Stopping you right here. Point out where I said it wasn't his right. Thanks!

Stopping you right here. Point out where I said it wasn't his right. Thanks!

Good than we agree then, it was his right to choose not to provide the luxury of a laptop.

Spearmaster:

Stopping you right here. Point out where I said it wasn't his right. Thanks!

Good than we agree then, it was his right to choose not to provide the luxury of a laptop.

No, we don't agree on the main issue. See, because anyone with some sense realizes that just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it right to do it

But then you probably know your response is based on ignoring that distinction so you failed to quote me properly. You know, avoid the fact that it's stupidity of the highest degree to babble about rights when we're talking about whether someone is in fact right to do something.

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

Stopping you right here. Point out where I said it wasn't his right. Thanks!

Good than we agree then, it was his right to choose not to provide the luxury of a laptop.

No, we don't agree on the main issue. See, because anyone with some sense realizes that just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it right to do it

But then you probably know your response is based on ignoring that distinction so you failed to quote me properly. You know, avoid the fact that it's stupidity of the highest degree to babble about rights when we're talking about whether someone is in fact right to do something.

Ill forgive you for only quoting and defending against one line of my previous post then.

Your entire argument is based in defining right and wrong which people have been trying to do for over 2000 years and are no closer to a universal answer so your argument has no solid proven base other than your opinion in the matter, I offered an opinion as well but I also provided a fact that it was his right, his opinion is then supported by that right. your opinion is just that, an opinion, until you have the right to determine right and wrong for everyone else on earth your just gonna have to live with it.

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

Good than we agree then, it was his right to choose not to provide the luxury of a laptop.

No, we don't agree on the main issue. See, because anyone with some sense realizes that just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it right to do it

But then you probably know your response is based on ignoring that distinction so you failed to quote me properly. You know, avoid the fact that it's stupidity of the highest degree to babble about rights when we're talking about whether someone is in fact right to do something.

Ill forgive you for only quoting and defending against one line of my previous post then.

No need, I was quite right not to let you get away with that idiotic blathering about rights when I mentioned nothing of them.

Your entire argument is based in defining right and wrong which people have been trying to do for over 2000 years and are no closer to a universal answer so your argument has no solid proven base other than your opinion in the matter, I offered an opinion as well but I also provided a fact that it was his right, his opinion is then supported by that right. your opinion is just that, an opinion, until you have the right to determine right and wrong for everyone else on earth your just gonna have to live with it.

I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right. And you approve of the girl's FB post because it's her right! And you approve of my argument, because it's my right to say it!

Or in other words: No, that it is his right supports nothing. That is an intellectually bankrupt position. Think before you make a worthless argument like that. Having a right to do it does not at all suggest it is the correct course of action. Anyone can see that.

What's sad about people like you is that you say things like "You're just gonna have to live with it". Did I suggest anything else? Is there, perhaps, an issue you have that makes you reply to things that I didn't actually do or say? I didn't do anything but live with it. Perhaps you need to read more carefully?

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

No, we don't agree on the main issue. See, because anyone with some sense realizes that just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it right to do it

But then you probably know your response is based on ignoring that distinction so you failed to quote me properly. You know, avoid the fact that it's stupidity of the highest degree to babble about rights when we're talking about whether someone is in fact right to do something.

Ill forgive you for only quoting and defending against one line of my previous post then.

No need, I was quite right not to let you get away with that idiotic blathering about rights when I mentioned nothing of them.

Your entire argument is based in defining right and wrong which people have been trying to do for over 2000 years and are no closer to a universal answer so your argument has no solid proven base other than your opinion in the matter, I offered an opinion as well but I also provided a fact that it was his right, his opinion is then supported by that right. your opinion is just that, an opinion, until you have the right to determine right and wrong for everyone else on earth your just gonna have to live with it.

I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right. And you approve of the girl's FB post because it's her right! And you approve of my argument, because it's my right to say it!

Or in other words: No, that it is his right supports nothing. That is an intellectually bankrupt position. Think before you make a worthless argument like that.

What's sad about people like you is that you say things like "You're just gonna have to live with it". Did I suggest anything else? Is there, perhaps, an issue you have that makes you reply to things that I didn't actually do or say? I didn't do anything but live with it. I think you need help.

And you still offer no defense to your argument just personal attacks and incendiary fallacy.

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

Ill forgive you for only quoting and defending against one line of my previous post then.

No need, I was quite right not to let you get away with that idiotic blathering about rights when I mentioned nothing of them.

Your entire argument is based in defining right and wrong which people have been trying to do for over 2000 years and are no closer to a universal answer so your argument has no solid proven base other than your opinion in the matter, I offered an opinion as well but I also provided a fact that it was his right, his opinion is then supported by that right. your opinion is just that, an opinion, until you have the right to determine right and wrong for everyone else on earth your just gonna have to live with it.

I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right. And you approve of the girl's FB post because it's her right! And you approve of my argument, because it's my right to say it!

Or in other words: No, that it is his right supports nothing. That is an intellectually bankrupt position. Think before you make a worthless argument like that.

What's sad about people like you is that you say things like "You're just gonna have to live with it". Did I suggest anything else? Is there, perhaps, an issue you have that makes you reply to things that I didn't actually do or say? I didn't do anything but live with it. I think you need help.

And you still offer no defense to your argument just personal attacks and incendiary fallacy.

I did offer a defense. I pointed out that your "It's his right" argument is garbage.

And saying that I offer fallacies is nice. You forgot the step where you actually prove it instead of expecting me to take the word of someone who doesn't even realize why "It's his right" doesn't cover it. And, hell, apparently can't read an argument that tells him why it's wrong.

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

No need, I was quite right not to let you get away with that idiotic blathering about rights when I mentioned nothing of them.

I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right. And you approve of the girl's FB post because it's her right! And you approve of my argument, because it's my right to say it!

Or in other words: No, that it is his right supports nothing. That is an intellectually bankrupt position. Think before you make a worthless argument like that.

What's sad about people like you is that you say things like "You're just gonna have to live with it". Did I suggest anything else? Is there, perhaps, an issue you have that makes you reply to things that I didn't actually do or say? I didn't do anything but live with it. I think you need help.

And you still offer no defense to your argument just personal attacks and incendiary fallacy.

I did offer a defense. I pointed out that your "It's his right" argument is garbage.

And saying that I offer fallacies is nice. You forgot the step where you actually prove it instead of expecting me to take the word of someone who doesn't even realize why "It's his right" doesn't cover it. And, hell, apparently can't read an argument that tells him why it's wrong.

You argument was basically that what his daughter did was not that bad right?
I am merely stating that he administered discipline that he saw fit for the act and that it was his right.

saying that my argument is garbage and not giving a reason, and making false claims that I agree with the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church and that I need help. those are all petty arguments to personally discredit me in an attempt to discredit my argument. Fallacy

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

And you still offer no defense to your argument just personal attacks and incendiary fallacy.

I did offer a defense. I pointed out that your "It's his right" argument is garbage.

And saying that I offer fallacies is nice. You forgot the step where you actually prove it instead of expecting me to take the word of someone who doesn't even realize why "It's his right" doesn't cover it. And, hell, apparently can't read an argument that tells him why it's wrong.

You argument was basically that what his daughter did was not that bad right?
I am merely stating that he administered discipline that he saw fit for the act and that it was his right.

And your reply is a red herring. Okay, it's his right. Does not mean that it was good of him to do it. Does not even suggest it was.

saying that my argument is garbage and not giving a reason, and making false claims that I agree with the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church and that I need help. those are all petty arguments to personally discredit me in an attempt to discredit my argument. Fallacy

I gave you a reason.

You're also apparently oblivious to the obvious. I said you must support the WBC. I didn't mean you did. I was pointing out why it is stupid to reply with "It's his right" when I'm talking about whether he should have done it or not. Because if we look at the WBC, well it's their right. But it would still be stupid to support them against someone criticizing them for their actions by saying "Well it's their right". Because it doesn't matter if it's their right, doesn't mean they're not bad people.

And the WBC one was the only one that was part of an argument. So, nope, you got it wrong. Identifying your argument as garbage is mere rhetoric. None personally discredit you and say "And that's why you're wrong". You need to learn what a fallacy actually is.

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

I did offer a defense. I pointed out that your "It's his right" argument is garbage.

And saying that I offer fallacies is nice. You forgot the step where you actually prove it instead of expecting me to take the word of someone who doesn't even realize why "It's his right" doesn't cover it. And, hell, apparently can't read an argument that tells him why it's wrong.

You argument was basically that what his daughter did was not that bad right?
I am merely stating that he administered discipline that he saw fit for the act and that it was his right.

And your reply is a red herring. Okay, it's his right. Does not mean that it was good of him to do it. Does not even suggest it was.

saying that my argument is garbage and not giving a reason, and making false claims that I agree with the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church and that I need help. those are all petty arguments to personally discredit me in an attempt to discredit my argument. Fallacy

I gave you a reason.

You're also apparently oblivious to the obvious. I said you must support the WBC. I didn't mean you did. I was pointing out why it is stupid to reply with "It's his right" when I'm talking about whether he should have done it or not. Because if we look at the WBC, well it's their right. But it would still be stupid to support them against someone criticizing them for their actions by saying "Well it's their right". Because it doesn't matter if it's their right, doesn't mean they're not bad people.

And the WBC one was the only one that was part of an argument. So, nope, you got it wrong. Identifying your argument as garbage is mere rhetoric. None personally discredit you and say "And that's why you're wrong". You need to learn what a fallacy actually is.

"I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right."

Are you sure this is not what you said?

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

You argument was basically that what his daughter did was not that bad right?
I am merely stating that he administered discipline that he saw fit for the act and that it was his right.

And your reply is a red herring. Okay, it's his right. Does not mean that it was good of him to do it. Does not even suggest it was.

saying that my argument is garbage and not giving a reason, and making false claims that I agree with the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church and that I need help. those are all petty arguments to personally discredit me in an attempt to discredit my argument. Fallacy

I gave you a reason.

You're also apparently oblivious to the obvious. I said you must support the WBC. I didn't mean you did. I was pointing out why it is stupid to reply with "It's his right" when I'm talking about whether he should have done it or not. Because if we look at the WBC, well it's their right. But it would still be stupid to support them against someone criticizing them for their actions by saying "Well it's their right". Because it doesn't matter if it's their right, doesn't mean they're not bad people.

And the WBC one was the only one that was part of an argument. So, nope, you got it wrong. Identifying your argument as garbage is mere rhetoric. None personally discredit you and say "And that's why you're wrong". You need to learn what a fallacy actually is.

"I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right."

Are you sure this is not what you said?

I'm sorry, are you admitting to not knowing what sarcasm is? Or hell, being able to read the part where I admitted I said it, but didn't mean it? What I was doing was pointing out the logical conclusion of the absurd notion that just because you have a right to do something that makes it okay to do. Proof by contradiction.

He sounds senile, at 15 I had moved out, worked 2 jobs, went to college, and still went to school. And there is no way he's telling the truth. No one goes out at says that I have to work to 2:00 AM and get up at 5:00 for roughly 30 minutes of work. What is probably happening is she is working for several (considerably less than she said) hours in pointless tasks that I or any one I knew never were expected to do without some sort of reward. The fact he actually shocked on the concept that someone would pay their kids for chores is hilarious and really shows how out of touch he is with modern culture. When you take away a teenager's access from the internet you are quite literally removing them from their social life, and that is just about the stupidest punishment you can inflict as all it does is hampers your child's development.

And I laughed really hard when he was talking about the lady that cleans the house saying "You will not call her a cleaning lady, she harder each day than you have in your life" as if working hard prevents you from being a cleaning lady.

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

And your reply is a red herring. Okay, it's his right. Does not mean that it was good of him to do it. Does not even suggest it was.

I gave you a reason.

You're also apparently oblivious to the obvious. I said you must support the WBC. I didn't mean you did. I was pointing out why it is stupid to reply with "It's his right" when I'm talking about whether he should have done it or not. Because if we look at the WBC, well it's their right. But it would still be stupid to support them against someone criticizing them for their actions by saying "Well it's their right". Because it doesn't matter if it's their right, doesn't mean they're not bad people.

And the WBC one was the only one that was part of an argument. So, nope, you got it wrong. Identifying your argument as garbage is mere rhetoric. None personally discredit you and say "And that's why you're wrong". You need to learn what a fallacy actually is.

"I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right."

Are you sure this is not what you said?

I'm sorry, are you admitting to not knowing what sarcasm is? Or hell, being able to read the part where I admitted I said it, but didn't mean it? What I was doing was pointing out the logical conclusion of the absurd notion that just because you have a right to do something that makes it okay to do. Proof by contradiction.

"I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right."

"I said you must support the WBC. I didn't mean you did."

This was sarcasm to then?

Spearmaster:

Mortai Gravesend:

Spearmaster:

"I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right."

Are you sure this is not what you said?

I'm sorry, are you admitting to not knowing what sarcasm is? Or hell, being able to read the part where I admitted I said it, but didn't mean it? What I was doing was pointing out the logical conclusion of the absurd notion that just because you have a right to do something that makes it okay to do. Proof by contradiction.

"I am glad to hear you heartily approve of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church because it is their right."

"I said you must support the WBC. I didn't mean you did."

This was sarcasm to then?

The first one was. The second is an explanation of the first. I can't believe you can miss the point when it's so clear. It easy: You were replying to me criticizing his action by saying he had a right to do it. I'm just applying that to other situations. Like the WBC.

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