Dad uses Facebook to teach daughter a lesson.

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Well I have to say that some of the things that girl said were rather bitchy...come on, chores? Guess what: everyone does chores. That part where she said 'We have a cleaning lady, just have her do it' did not endear her to me. And bedtime at 10pm? Wow, I used to work at night and didn't get home until 3 in the morning, I would have LOVED to be in bed by 10. If she had such a big issue with it she could have just, I don't know, talked to her parents about it.

As for his reaction...well...no. You want your kids to do chores? Get them to respect you. Even if you're the parent, you still have to earn respect, especially with teenagers. And I don't mean like pandering, but there's a difference between being a relentless hardass and being a good parent. You know how you lose the respect of your kids (or anyone for that matter)? Shoot their stuff. How he managed to get a job in IT I may never understand...

Good parenting, but public humiliation in front of millions for your 15 year old daughter because she's ignorant and immature? That's a bit overkill. How is she going to handle this growing up?

He's awesome. I watched the video, he was not out of control, he handled the gun safely and respectfully. I think it's somewhat funny people are talking more about him shooting a laptop than his method of punishing his daughter with public humiliation....

Honestly, I would find it disturbing if he just went apeshit on it with a hammer or shovel as people are suggesting, that would show much less control than him calmly putting a couple bullets into it.

Ramzal:
I believe it's an issue because so many people agree with the method he used. A gun is flat out a lethal tool. No one was in danger nor was he protecting anyone or himself. The fact that so many find this acceptable is deplorable. So we use lethal weapons and tools now to prove a point? And at worse, it's childish? Why don't we fire a nuclear weapon into an unpopulated area to show North Korea that we aren't accepting their terms of testing nuclear weapons.

I can understand a blunt object not being as bad or a hammer, or running it over with a car. Granted that all of the above can be lethal, but they weren't made with lethal intent. Honestly, I find as many people as I saw agreeing with this method disturbing. Borderline frightening.

Edit: Although, I think we can all agree to a father punishing his daughter for what he believes to be disrespect.

I've never owned or fired a gun, and don't expect to ever own one, but I think you are a little crazy. Where did you get this idea that using guns on inanimate objects is inherently wrong? In any other conversation, I'd be committing the straw man fallacy by asking if you felt the same about firing guns at paper targets at a firing range, or ballistics gel, or for the various purposes the Mythbusters use them for. Considering what you've said so far though, it actually seems that you might really feel that those things are wrong. That is what you sound like. Think about that for a second. You are making arguments that, in any other context, would be used as straw men.

I don't even.

Samurai Silhouette:
Good parenting, but public humiliation in front of millions for your 15 year old daughter because she's ignorant and immature? That's a bit overkill. How is she going to handle this growing up?

I don't think he guessed it was going to get over 2 million views.
Either way, it's not really "humiliation". There are worse things he could of done.
Every teen has been embarrassed by a parent at some point or another.

This guy was awesome regardless. That's parenting, in style.

Also: Gun Thread. OH BOY.

Ramzal:
I believe it's an issue because so many people agree with the method he used. A gun is flat out a lethal tool. No one was in danger nor was he protecting anyone or himself. The fact that so many find this acceptable is deplorable. So we use lethal weapons and tools now to prove a point? And at worse, it's childish? Why don't we fire a nuclear weapon into an unpopulated area to show North Korea that we aren't accepting their terms of testing nuclear weapons.

I can understand a blunt object not being as bad or a hammer, or running it over with a car. Granted that all of the above can be lethal, but they weren't made with lethal intent. Honestly, I find as many people as I saw agreeing with this method disturbing. Borderline frightening.

Edit: Although, I think we can all agree to a father punishing his daughter for what he believes to be disrespect.

I will agree, the gun was too much. That's just a little too lethal for my tastes, cause it makes you wonder what else he could use that for to teach her a lesson, and it kinda makes me worry. But honestly, I'm not condoning his methods, but I think he did a good thing to teach her a lesson this way (excluding the gun). It showed her you can't disrespect your family in such a manner, and that you will be punished for it, especially since it already happened once before. I give him props for this. the gun? Eh... too much.

so... disciplining children means MAKING HER FEAR FOR HER LIFE, seriously come on man, yes lets use a lethal weapon to destroy property in a blind rage, bloody hell what do you think shes thinking now, that she will be next if she does anything wrong again. AGHHH this is not how parenting works, you do not use a weapon designed to kill after saying that this is about to get a lot worse for you from now on.

zidine100:
so... disciplining children means MAKING HER FEAR FOR HER LIFE, seriously come on man, yes lets use a lethal weapon to destroy property in a blind rage, bloody hell what do you think shes thinking now, that she will be next if she does anything wrong again. AGHHH this is not how parenting works.

Did you watch the video? He was very calm and collected.

She was warned, it sounds like she's been an entitled little prat for years. The chores he listed are less than what any of my friends did when they were her age, and less than what I did (I had dishwasher, garbage, vacuum the house once a week, clean the cat box, keep my room in some semblance of shape).

While the gun may not have been the BEST way to handle it, there is no doubt it was an effective way, and done in a non-dangerous manner.

Kvaedi:

zidine100:
so... disciplining children means MAKING HER FEAR FOR HER LIFE, seriously come on man, yes lets use a lethal weapon to destroy property in a blind rage, bloody hell what do you think shes thinking now, that she will be next if she does anything wrong again. AGHHH this is not how parenting works.

Did you watch the video? He was very calm and collected.

yes i did, i come from the uk so its probably just me overreacting over the use of a gun for something like this. I overexagurated i know, tis a habit of mine.

If shooting a laptop in a little rage isn't right, then we should just execute the FPS - Russia guy, because he 'just shoots stuff' with a 'lethal, last resort' weapon as well.
It doesn't matter if the laptop was $1000 or $15. It's his property, he probably bought it for his daughter, he can do whatever he wants with it!

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omega 616:
You also pick some really weird things to ban ...

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Hey, if you saw the commerical for those egg things, you wouldn't want them in your country either!

That was anger? All I saw was a calm and collective man who came up with a rather intense way of letting his daughter and her friends know how not to act to your parents. If that was anger, I'd like to see how mellow he can get when he is depressed.

As for the whole gun thing, he aimed it at an inanimate object,he looked like he had the training and he looks like the type of man who goes to a gun range or hunting every once in a while (He has a ten gallon hat on for christ sake! He's a walking American Sterotype.) The laptop was on the ground, not on a stand in front of a free way or where people are walking, he probably did it on his own property etc etc etc.

As far as I am concerned, he practiced safe gun use while using it. Its not like he's blasting rounds off into the air like an idiot or anything.

I feel that his actions were justified. You write that shit, and your dad sees it, you're gonna get whatever's coming to you.

Using a gun just made it classy. It was straight to the point, and it wasn't brutal like a crowbar, or over elaborate like some sadistic torture.

zidine100:

Kvaedi:

zidine100:
so... disciplining children means MAKING HER FEAR FOR HER LIFE, seriously come on man, yes lets use a lethal weapon to destroy property in a blind rage, bloody hell what do you think shes thinking now, that she will be next if she does anything wrong again. AGHHH this is not how parenting works.

Did you watch the video? He was very calm and collected.

yes i did, i come from the uk so its probably just me overreacting over the use of a gun for something like this.

Ah, makes sense. Coming from the US, it's hard for me to understand that mentality; my dad had gun that I shot several times as a kid. He kept a pistol right on the mantle above the fireplace, but I never touched it because he taught me not to unless he was there. Growing up around guns, and handling them quite often, it's just hard for me to get I guess.

To me if he went and smashed it with a bat or shovel or hammer, it would seem a far more violent, passionate act to me, because of the amount of physical involvement in that kind of destruction. It's something you do because you're angry, lashing out, transferring anger into swings. That's the kind of thing done in a blind rage.

Him shooting it, from the way I read him, was just determination. Not blind rage, just doing something he felt needed to be done.

I can't go so far as to say I agree with his methods, or even that the video didn't raise some questions for me as to his fitness at parenting. However, he wasn't wildly out of control, he didn't turn a gun on his daughter, he didn't rage, he was conducting a demonstration that - for whatever reason (and, let's face it - he knows his daughter, we don't) - he thought would make his point.

I do think that he wasn't anticipating the video going viral as it has. That's going to provoke more repercussions of humiliation for the girl and possible problems for him as a parent that he could have avoided by going another way, but that's unintended consequences for you.

So, don't agree with him, but I don't condemn him either - because 1 video is not enough to judge the entire child-parent relationship of total strangers.

i thought he was awsome. the girl was a bitch so he fucked up her laptop, and he was on his own land so who cares

I am not a American and I throughly hate guns. If you are not hunting then you don't fucking need a firearm.

But that shit was fucking awesome. That dude is a pimp and I fully support what he did. Me, I woulda smashed her laptop with a sledgehammer or sold it but still. Who cares that he used a gun. It was on soft soil so no real chance of it ricocheting and hurting anyone.

But I do think he should have handed the shot up laptop to her and recorded her reaction. Would have been amazing.

Oh and you lied. He knew how many rounds he had left, he was speaking normally while shooting it, was not crazy shooting so your "He lost count of how many rounds he fired into it in rage." was a lie.

http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii
He actually seems like a really nice guy.

Ramzal:

usmarine4160:
Actually it is a right in America and that's not going to be changed so you're wrong ;)

Though I agree it was wrong to use a .45 like I said in the other thread. A 12 gauge with buckshot would've been about 20% cooler

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual. When someone boycotts someone's funeral, they should be sued for disturbing the peace and harassment, when someone unloads an entire clip into a computer for the sake of being angry they should lose their right to use a firearm due to displaying little to no discipline with the tool.

I'm not wrong since our rights have been violated anyway, as our right to a fair trial when under arrest has been revoked anyway. (Which I do no see any positive outcome from and I do not support.) A gun is not a plaything or a toy. I'm not sure if you a trolling or you are honestly that deluded.

Edit: Besides, the law states that American's have the right to bare arms. Not to discharge them under any circumstance.

Assuming it was on his property, he had every right to discharge his weapon into that laptop. Granted, it was potentially dangerous, as a bullet could have struck a rock and ricocheted somewhere, but that doesn't change the fact that this was this legal. The father did not use the gun as a toy or plaything, he used it as a weapon, with which he then destroyed his daughters laptop, because she clearly no longer deserved having one, especially one that the father put so much time and effort into.

Ramzal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kl1ujzRidmU

I have already posted about this. So I will just take what I posted and put it here:

What is wrong with you people? This man just put 9 rounds into a stationary object because he was angry. Let me repeat myself; This man just unloaded a -gun- into a computer because he was angry. He has every right to punish his daughter, but this shows complete and total lack of control and discipline over himself by using a firearm to teach a lesson.

He lost count in how many bullets fired at that, because of his anger! And people support this? A gun is not a toy, it's a tool. A last resort and used to protect, not destroy. I've seen comments on this saying "An all American dad!" Are you people crazy or just plan stupid? Comments like that is exactly why our country is looked down on as gun tooting/war hungry morons! His entire point goes out the window when he shows how childish (Retaliating to her internet post--it's an internet post for crying out loud) with the use of a gun.

And people say the young are stupid.

I once believed that a gun should be a right, however after seeing how he used his firearm and people's encouragement of his action, I now believe that having a gun should be treated as a privilege instead of a right. I am an American, and I DO NOT agree with this man's methods of use of a firearm, nor raising a child.

Edit: However, chores are fine. Go chores.

His actions with a firearms put no one in danger. It was on his property (I'm assuming), and as long as the laptop did not gain sentience and a soul and start crying out in pain, he caused no one any harm.

Also, the "internet post" does in fact show a great deal of disrespect, and I would be just as angry if my daughter (if I had one) posted something like that. I know a lot of people who have posted things like this, and that doesn't change the fact that this post, despite being meant only to her friends, is something she should not have ever posted on facebook. The father did not shoot his daughter, he shot her laptop (an item that she clearly liked a lot) to drive the points (that she needs to show A) some respect, and B) grow up a bit) home.

How would you have handled the situation?

Ramzal:

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual.

You're calling someone else deluded after making a statement like that? The people that created SOPA and PIPA and ACTA agree with you, anyways.

Let the redneck shoot his daughter's computer. I'm terrified of how the internet will affect my children. If they fuck up, I'll discipline them in my own way. Maybe I'll run their computers through a compactor or chainsaw them in half. I'll be sure and video tape it so I can laugh at all the whiny socialists who want to take away my rights to chainsaws or garbage compactors because I used them to destroy a computer.

McNinja:
Granted, it was potentially dangerous, as a bullet could have struck a rock and ricocheted somewhere, but that doesn't change the fact that this was this legal.

Nah, he used holowpoints. Walking down stairs is far more dangerous than what he did.

This is so wrong... this is so fucking wrong...

I'm no parent (yet), but I think I would've handled this whole affair more peacefully, with a cooler head and, certainly, with much more respect.

In other words, more maturely.

If my daughter would've wrote something similar, I'd certainly would get mad too, but I would've also considered this as a red light to stop and think where things went wrong, either with myself, as a parent, or my daughter, I would've tried to talk to her peacefully and try to understand her problems, not throw a tantrum at her about how harder it was "back in the day" and just yell at her about how "disrespectful" she was.

It's much more disrespectful to take her laptop and start shooting the damn thing. Heck, that's psychological violence, right there, he not only humiliated her in front of millions, he scarred her for life, good luck finding forgiveness from your "spoiled brat", psycho.

I'm not generalizing americans for this fucking idiot's attitude, but man, this guy can make you think about a lot of stuff.

DRes82:

Ramzal:

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual.

You're calling someone else deluded after making a statement like that? The people that created SOPA and PIPA and ACTA agree with you, anyways.

Let the redneck shoot his daughter's computer. I'm terrified of how the internet will affect my children. If they fuck up, I'll discipline them in my own way. Maybe I'll run their computers through a compactor or chainsaw them in half. I'll be sure and video tape it so I can laugh at all the whiny socialists who want to take away my rights to chainsaws or garbage compactors because I used them to destroy a computer.

I wouldn't call him a redneck; a man who works at a clinic, has a cleaning lady, and can afford to shoot expensive laptops is far from being a redneck. There are plenty of people living here in Seattle that are much closer to being rednecks than him.

I do think Facebook is a real threat to the well-being, integrity and possibly even the future of (some of) our kids. If any of the folks in our office just so much as try to access Facebook, we'll see if maybe they have too much free time at their hands, or if we have another 'addict' and we'll handle it accordingly.

If they publicly put their office mail address on Facebook or otherwise mess up, their mail account will be suspended. It's only a chosen few that can't live with these rules, and they tend to be the more useless ones. If their parents didn't teach them, if their teachers failed, well, I really don't see why or how an employer should handle these 'special' needs.

We have officially disabled folks with actual disabling issues working like mules all day long, going for raises and bonuses to finance their holidays, dreams and/or kids. And we have 'healthy' young people failing miserably because they behave like the masters of the universe without actually knowing anything much beyond amusing and consuming themselves silly. It's a real problem, as anyone in education or as an employer could confirm.

In that dad's place, I'd have done the same, but I'd probably have used a sledgehammer, as it tends to bring out all the disappointment and anger blow by blow. These days, parents who really try to make a good job parenting are under a silly amount of pressure. The 'empowerment' of children works against both the parents who care and the children who'd need their bottoms spanked. The education systems of old are changed beyond recognition. Take France, where meanwhile an unprecedented whopping 80% of all youth achieve the 'maturité, which would allow them all to go to university, but the majority of them is absolutely useless and decidedly non-academic.

And yes, I do condone destroying her laptop and making her reconsider her stance. The children we raise and teach should be better than we were in order to have it better. If they turn into lazy meat-bags there just will not be a better tomorrow, quite the opposite. And we can't have that, now, can we.

Why put it on Facebook/YouTube? If I got this right, and believe the story, then I think it's safe to say that the fragmentation of realities was already a fact quite some time before dad 'snapped' - in a rather controlled fashion, I might add. The compartmentalization of our - family and social - lives is indeed easily furthered by the ever-tempting time sinkhole and social black hole called facebook... I sympathize with almost any and all opposition.

Theres difference between kicking his daughters door in and blasting her laptop with a gun and taking his daughters laptop out into the woods and calmly unloading some rounds into it.

It was anger that motivated his shooting of it, but it wasnt an act of blind rage wen he used it.

I came into this fully expecting to agree with the OP, but his use of a firearm was not irresponsible. Responsible use of a gun does not have to be a "last resort for protection". People shoot clay pigeons, cans and other targets all the time for fun/practice. So long as this is done in the proper environment by people who treat the gun with respect there is no real danger. Using it to shoot a laptop you own is no different, and this was both in the proper environment and treated the gun with respect even putting the gun on the ground and not shooting horizontally to ensure there was near zero risk. He used the gun not in an emotionally charged reaction, but after clear and conscious thought to use it to make a point. He was not threatening his child (with the gun) or anyone else. There is no reason not to use it to destroy an object you own to emphasize a point so long as you don't endanger anyone.

This is all coming from someone who thinks the USA needs far more gun regulation.

Navvan:
I came into this fully expecting to agree with the OP, but his use of a firearm was not irresponsible. Responsible use of a gun does not have to be a "last resort for protection". People shoot clay pigeons, cans and other targets all the time for fun/practice. So long as this is done in the proper environment by people who treat the gun with respect there is no real danger. Using it to shoot a laptop you own is no different, and this was both in the proper environment and treated the gun with respect even putting the gun on the ground and not shooting horizontally to ensure there was near zero risk. He used the gun not in an emotionally charged reaction, but after clear and conscious thought to use it to make a point. He was not threatening his child (with the gun) or anyone else. There is no reason not to use it to destroy an object you own to emphasize a point so long as you don't endanger anyone.

This is all coming from someone who thinks the USA needs far more gun regulation.

Same here, I came in hoping to start a great rant about how horrible a person he was for neglecting gun safety. Then I watched the video, and had my hopes dashed. He clearly was calm and collected, and used the gun properly, respectfully, and safely. He didn't come off as dangerous, wild, threatening, or anything of the sort.

Using it as a frisbee, pouring water on it,selling it, taking it away, using it as a trampoline.....etc

All of these options would have been fine heck I could imagine myself having fun doing them if she was my daughter and pissed me off that much but discharging a weapon which can be lethal which should only be used as self defence on a matter as trivial on this is a bit....much.

Well, he was mad. His daughter broke his rules in the most childish manner possible - twice - so he only responded in kind to show her what it's like.

If the lesson here wasn't "Don't break the rules" he probably would've sold or donated it, calm down people. Besides, legally, it's his computer, so he can do whatever he wants with it, short of using it as a bludgeon on someone's face.

Ramzal:

usmarine4160:
Actually it is a right in America and that's not going to be changed so you're wrong ;)

Though I agree it was wrong to use a .45 like I said in the other thread. A 12 gauge with buckshot would've been about 20% cooler

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual. When someone boycotts someone's funeral, they should be sued for disturbing the peace and harassment, when someone unloads an entire clip into a computer for the sake of being angry they should lose their right to use a firearm due to displaying little to no discipline with the tool.

I'm not wrong since our rights have been violated anyway, as our right to a fair trial when under arrest has been revoked anyway. (Which I do no see any positive outcome from and I do not support.) A gun is not a plaything or a toy. I'm not sure if you a trolling or you are honestly that deluded.

Edit: Besides, the law states that American's have the right to bare arms. Not to discharge them under any circumstance.

Then they wouldn't be rights, they're be privileges, and that means it's a hell of a lot easier for the government to suppress people. This is the exact opposite of what James Madison wanted.

Abusing your rights is a right in and of itself. I'm not saying you SHOULD, though.

edit: Oh, also, he wasn't exactly abusing his right. You can shoot whatever inanimate object you want, as long as you have the owner's permission. It's called "target practice." Furthermore, he didn't seem angry to me. He was very calm. It's like how a Buddhist monk (or Jedi) can kick your ass without getting emotional.

Ramzal:

usmarine4160:
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Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual.

This statement nearly made me drop my drink. Your an American, do NOT give up your rights. It seems like everyone is so damn ready to be drop their rights for a new law. Its that attitude that has lead to manditory molestation at airports, wire tappings, unlawful imprisonment with no trial and no charges, torture, and more all being legal. One by one they take our rights away. This man shot an inanimate object, he didn't shoot the pope, he didn't raise a hand to his child, get over yourself.

Wow... you people need to chill the fuck out. It's a laptop, not a puppy. I don't think he put it in any undue stress. He was using his gun responsibly. He fired it into the ground, with nobody else around, and obviously knew how to handle a gun safely. Jeez, I forget how many Europeans frequent this site until something vaguely gun related gets posted. Granted not all of you are European, and I hope not to offend in my generalization, but y'all got some fucked up and pretty childish views on guns if you think someone shooting by himself into the ground is irresponsible or overly dangerous.

EDITED: for spelling.

As someone who has had a hand in raising a teenage girl let me tell you, that was the letter of metered responses. As for people saying things like "He could have just took it away" you are missing the point. When dealing with an irrational overly emotive drama queen teen The point is, it needed to be in a dramatic enough of a fashion for it to have the intended effect. Powerful enough to illicit shock and awe, not a response of "Whatevs"

Taking it away for 3 months didnt stop her from doing it again did it? So Dad did the responsible thing and raised the impact level in a safe and controlled environment. If she is 15 years old, shes certainly old enough to have the level of respect for her family to not have pushed her father to this point of resistance. If dad would have sold it, or gave it away, the impact of it would have been more lost, because the device still exists. By taking something precious to her and violently destroying it, it sends the exact message that needed to be sent, and maybe, it will be the wake up call that Dad was intending in the first place.

It honestly blows my mind how anyone could not see this guy as a parenting hero.

Ramzal:
What is wrong with you people? This man just put 9 rounds into a stationary object because he was angry. Let me repeat myself; This man just unloaded a -gun- into a computer because he was angry. He has every right to punish his daughter, but this shows complete and total lack of control and discipline over himself by using a firearm to teach a lesson.

He lost count in how many bullets fired at that, because of his anger! And people support this? A gun is not a toy, it's a tool. A last resort and used to protect, not destroy. I've seen comments on this saying "An all American dad!" Are you people crazy or just plan stupid? Comments like that is exactly why our country is looked down on as gun tooting/war hungry morons! His entire point goes out the window when he shows how childish (Retaliating to her internet post--it's an internet post for crying out loud) with the use of a gun.

And people say the young are stupid.

I had a similar opinion, I even commented on the video saying something similar to this, I got top comment for a few seconds and ended up with about twelve angry replies. Other than using a gun improperly I also mentioned how petty and immature this "lesson" was, his daughter will only learn hatred from this, this isn't a mature, sensible response an adult should have. She was a brat but at least she is a CHILD, he is supposed to be an adult and not act out like this. He's essentially ruined his daughters life for the next few years, she won't live this down.

Oh hicks.

They're so crazy.

Ramzal:

usmarine4160:
Actually it is a right in America and that's not going to be changed so you're wrong ;)

Though I agree it was wrong to use a .45 like I said in the other thread. A 12 gauge with buckshot would've been about 20% cooler

Rights should be either taken away or made more strict when abused by an individual. When someone boycotts someone's funeral, they should be sued for disturbing the peace and harassment, when someone unloads an entire clip into a computer for the sake of being angry they should lose their right to use a firearm due to displaying little to no discipline with the tool.

I'm not wrong since our rights have been violated anyway, as our right to a fair trial when under arrest has been revoked anyway. (Which I do no see any positive outcome from and I do not support.) A gun is not a plaything or a toy. I'm not sure if you a trolling or you are honestly that deluded.

Edit: Besides, the law states that American's have the right to bare arms. Not to discharge them under any circumstance.

I'm glad people like you don't have control over my rights. He used his gun, to shoot his laptop (its his property even though its "his daughters") on land that he owned. That's pretty much the definition of responsible. All his, nobody else involved, nobody else in danger. Sorry that you don't agree with his decision, but for you to say he used it irresponsibly is beyond disgusting.

I find it quite ironic you saying someone should have their rights taken away for destroying their own property, breaking NO LAWS. Then bitch about slowly losing our rights. Make up your mind. Do you want rights to be protected or not? Cause you are contradicting yourself.

Stalydan:

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tl;dr This girl will now grow up to resent her father because he blew his fuse at something so minor rather than talking it out.

Pretty much everything you said. It sounds like she put it on Facebook to vent but otherwise kept quiet her complaints. When her father had a look at something she clearly didn't intend for them to see, then of course he would have to expect it to be something he wouldn't enjoy reading.

We don't even know her side of the story. Everyone is jumping to conclusions based on what one clearly very angry father is saying.

But anyway. Long story short, it isn't my place to say wrong or right, but I do believe his actions were extreme.

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