Wow. I never thought the day would come where I can truly say "I agree with Bill O'Reilly".

So the story is basically that Ellen was hired as a spokesperson for some random company. Then came the organization One Million Moms and voice their concern for "Gay propaganda" and demanded Ellen DeGeneres to be fired from her position as a spokesperson. What Bill says can be viewed in the video.

All I could think of was "I wish he was on our side". What a powerful ally he would've made.
I know people at the escapist hate the Fox New and everything that has to do with them, but this video really opened my eyes up.

http://youtu.be/qHEVu64pZsA

I don't know if this has been posted before. If it has, then I apologize. I made a search here and found nothing of it.

"One Million Moms" whats thier problem with gay people?

and what kind of organisation are they? a bunch of mothers with nothing better to do with their time?

*google search*

ohhhh are you fucking kidding me? so "traditional families" automatically have problems with gay people?

this looks like a great big "wont somebody think of the children!?" brigade

You see, I think Bill O'Reilly is probably the best news reporter on Fox. Sure, he's argumentative, stubborn, doesn't know certain things, and doesn't like liberals at all (Like almost everyone else on Fox), but at least he has the decency to defend people. If this were Glenn Beck, he'd be on the "One Million Moms" side. I applaud Bill for defending Ellen DeGeneres (Although I don't like her show at all)

Hmm. I'm not sure he made exactly the best argument for it. I mean if someone was an extremely awful person I think telling JCPenny there's a problem would be okay. Like if they tried to make that awful lady their representative, that would send some pretty negative messages to any LGBT people who wanted to shop there. I think there are situations where it is fair to tell a company "You shouldn't hire that person." It isn't forcing them after all, so long as it remains mere complaints or boycotting then I think there are situations where it is called for.

But what's wrong I'd say is to complain that she's gay. That is not a situation that calls for complaining to the company. That is why the One Million Moms organization is despicable, and that's why that lady is despicable. Not because she would complain about a company hiring someone, that's just voicing an opinion. What matters is that it's a despicable opinion in this case and an unjustified one.

Really, he's defending DeGeneres for wrong reason. Can't say I really expected much better than this, but with how it was presented you'd think it was particularly miraculous =|

Well, I guess Bill O Reilly deserves a cookie.

ONE! Just one!

Mortai Gravesend:
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He didn't have a problem with the people not wanting to shop there anymore. What he had a problem with was an organization trying to influence JCPenny to fire their spokesperson because of their sexuality and lifestyle. It's one thing to do business with another company because you disagree with another's business practices, but it's another thing entirely to demand that someone be fired because they happen to disagree with you when it comes to something as subjective as morals. As he said, they technically have the right, but it is against the basic spirit of America and the spirit of Christianity. It's wrong, sick, and insulting to other Christians who use their faith to positively impact those around them.

Lilani:

Mortai Gravesend:
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He didn't have a problem with the people not wanting to shop there anymore. What he had a problem with was an organization trying to influence JCPenny to fire their spokesperson because of their sexuality and lifestyle. It's one thing to do business with another company because you disagree with another's business practices, but it's another thing entirely to demand that someone be fired because they happen to disagree with you when it comes to something as subjective as morals. As he said, they technically have the right, but it is against the basic spirit of America and the spirit of Christianity. It's wrong, sick, and insulting to other Christians who use their faith to positively impact those around them.

I know that he was not against a boycott. And I know that he was against said influence.

The thing was he didn't seem to be against said influence because it's wrong to discriminate against gay people like that, he seemed to be against it on principle. While I'd say that sometimes it's alright to complain that they hired someone if they hired someone truly awful because who you hire as a spokesperson does send something of a message. They have no power to enforce said complaint after all, it is simply informing them that they did something that others find problematic. The issue, though, is that what they found problematic in this case was someone being gay.

Mortai Gravesend:
I know that he was not against a boycott. And I know that he was against said influence.

The thing was he didn't seem to be against said influence because it's wrong to discriminate against gay people like that, he seemed to be against it on principle. While I'd say that sometimes it's alright to complain that they hired someone if they hired someone truly awful because who you hire as a spokesperson does send something of a message. They have no power to enforce said complaint after all, it is simply informing them that they did something that others find problematic. The issue, though, is that what they found problematic in this case was someone being gay.

I'm not sure what you mean by he was against it "on principle." Yes spokespeople do send messages of sorts, however JCPenny has the right to decide who their spokespeople are, and that includes whatever "messages" they might inadvertently send. And those people are perfectly within their rights (and are right) to not purchase from JCPenny if they happen to object to that business decision they made. However, it is wrong for them to attack one specific person. I know people who don't shop at WalMart because they disagree with the way they treat their employees and conduct their business. However, they do not actively go out and tell people who work at WalMart that they are bad people for supporting their business, and nor do they try and lobby to get WalMart closed up (well not most of them).

Neither Bill nor myself ever said it was against their rights to say what they're saying, because it's not. However, it's wrong, and as he said it is dangerously similar to the types of things people said about communists during the Red Scare. Oh they're ruining this country, oh they're corrupting the youth, oh we can't have them publicly employed anywhere they'll spoil everything!

Lilani:

Mortai Gravesend:
I know that he was not against a boycott. And I know that he was against said influence.

The thing was he didn't seem to be against said influence because it's wrong to discriminate against gay people like that, he seemed to be against it on principle. While I'd say that sometimes it's alright to complain that they hired someone if they hired someone truly awful because who you hire as a spokesperson does send something of a message. They have no power to enforce said complaint after all, it is simply informing them that they did something that others find problematic. The issue, though, is that what they found problematic in this case was someone being gay.

I'm not sure what you mean by he was against it "on principle."

He was against the idea in general, not the specific case.

Yes spokespeople do send messages of sorts, however JCPenny has the right to decide who their spokespeople are, and that includes whatever "messages" they might inadvertently send. And those people are perfectly within their rights (and are right) to not purchase from JCPenny if they happen to object to that business decision they made.

And complaining about their choice in hiring is not denying them that right, so there's no need to talk about JCPenny's rights.

However, it is wrong for them to attack one specific person. I know people who don't shop at WalMart because they disagree with the way they treat their employees and conduct their business. However, they do not actively go out and tell people who work at WalMart that they are bad people for supporting their business, and nor do they try and lobby to get WalMart closed up (well not most of them).

No, it is not wrong for them to attack one specific person. If, for instance, they decided to hire Fred Phelps and he agreed for some unfathomable reason, people would be perfectly justified in objecting as well as boycotting.

And the only reason I'd say that it is not right to bother people working at WalMart is because they presumably need the money. If they chose, out of the goodness of their hearts, to work for some company that was rife with vile practices there would be a reason to tell them they were doing something wrong. But that is utterly irrelevant to this case anyways, they are complaining to the employer about their spokesperson. Maybe they're doing something more, but I'm just talking about complaining about hiring someone.

And deciding to lobby to shut it down is, again, not what was being discussed. No one is being forced by law to do anything here.

Neither Bill nor myself ever said it was against their rights to say what they're saying, because it's not.

And are you trying to imply I said that either of you did? Because I didn't so if you are I'll thank you very much for cutting out that 'rights' crap when I didn't say anything about it.

However, it's wrong, and as he said it is dangerously similar to the types of things people said about communists during the Red Scare. Oh they're ruining this country, oh they're corrupting the youth, oh we can't have them publicly employed anywhere they'll spoil everything!

And it's wrong because in this case the people aren't ruining anything. If they decided to hire a member of the KKK that would be different since they'd sure love to enact policies to ruin lives.

*blinks*

*Watches video again*

*Looks at my clock*

Weird... I swear I went to sleep on Earth last night, first a Femshep video, now something from Bill O'Reilly (who, I have to add, -really- makes me want to post and ORLY Owl everytime I see his name)that I agree with, Did I wake up in Bizarro-World?

Anyway, sillyness aside, I really want this to be a sign that Fox might be realizing that bad attention is not the same as good attention, but that might be a bit overly optimistic. But I won't let myself get too down on it, I'm glad to see at least one person in that fustercluck of a "News" station that has his head on.. sort of straight.

And seeing Fox News lay the verbal smackdown on a target that I don't mind seeing tarred and feathered, well call me juvenile, but that just warms my heart.

Edit.. agh, I give in!

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=bill+oreilly+owl&hl=en&biw=1463&bih=709&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=dPi12RrSCpjQaM:&imgrefurl=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2372411/posts&docid=OMZ6Bhded8wjUM&imgurl=http://www.o--rly.com/owl_orly.png&w=438&h=400&ei=vEs3T-ymNsPZiAL50vnACg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=434&sig=101292937320312604037&page=1&tbnh=154&tbnw=167&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=41&ty=97

a conservative respects law and order, most nerds respect law and order; ya'all don't need to feel guilty for that.

Wait....what's going on? I think this Youtube comment sums it up:

HELP! ... I am in a dark place, my ass hurts, and I am agreeing with Bill O'Reilly. And that last thing is really scaring me.

He also said what the Million Mom's are doing is just like the Communist Witchhunt that McCarthy led the US on in the 50's

Isn't this the same person who complained when Ludacris was the spokesperson for Pepsi?

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Mr.Mattress:
You see, I think Bill O'Reilly is probably the best news reporter on Fox. Sure, he's argumentative, stubborn, doesn't know certain things, and doesn't like liberals at all (Like almost everyone else on Fox), but at least he has the decency to defend people. If this were Glenn Beck, he'd be on the "One Million Moms" side. I applaud Bill for defending Ellen DeGeneres (Although I don't like her show at all)

http://www.ethansabo.com/post/17278871964/glenn-beck-defends-ellen-degeneres

On topic:

All of you people talking like this is some crazy thing that you agree with Bill O'Reilly really need to get over yourselves. Is he a blowhard? Absolutely. Does he make bad arguments? Without question. But that doesn't make him a bad person and it doesn't make him stupid.

I used to watch his show before it just became unbearable to do so anymore. I agreed with him on quite a bit, but there were things I just couldn't stand. The fact that he's standing up for Ellen is in no way surprising to me. He's not some sort of ogre that just hates people that do things he doesn't agree with. He brings on liberals quite frequently and they yell at each other for a segment, then he moves on to something else.

I know it's hard to accept that he's more than the ridiculous clips you see every now and then from some organization with a different slant than his, but it's true. He probably has positions that you'd agree with if you gave him a chance to be a human being, instead of this blown out of proportions jerk everyone makes him out to be.

Try not judging people on a handful of minutes of exposition, regardless of if it's in context or not.

Snow Fire:

From:no-reply@snowfire.us
To:One million moms

Ironic is the fact that god said love all his creations and do not judge them, for he shall judge them. God made gay people, yet you judge them. Oh..., god is going to be so pissed at you guys. Love that you guys consider homosexuality immoral, when it is not. Morality is based on what is right and wrong, but what is right and wrong is based on human perspective, making it extremely infallible, just like us humans. Well, and humans were the ones to write the bible, not god, meaning the book itself was corrupted by humanity and our infallibility. Which circle of hell do you think is reserved for those who would corrupt god's greatest gift, love, with hatred?

-the Snow Fire Department of Agnosticism

Might as well send them an e-mail to see if they'll reply back, somehow I think the reply will be gross and nasty. XD

I feel as if Bill is evolving, starting to warm up, and be more accepting of different people's lifestyles. :3

Erm... fallible means you make mistakes. Infallible means you do not. And I doubt they agree that right and wrong are based on human perspective. Claiming it is won't really have any impact since they're just going to disagree.

Snow Fire:

Mortai Gravesend:

Erm... fallible means you make mistakes. Infallible means you do not. And I doubt they agree that right and wrong are based on human perspective. Claiming it is won't really have any impact since they're just going to disagree.

Sarcasm actually, maybe even satirical, I know the difference between both words. If I get a reply to my e-mail, I will be very surprised.

So you did that on purpose? I think if anyone reads it they're gonna totally miss that. Nothing really seems to hint at the mistake being on purpose XP

Yes we should applaud a broken clock for being right two times a day...

Hes an ignorant uncultured twat and that did not change just because he once came down on the right side, he probably just realized his ass could suffer the same fate in the near future.

Not the first time I've agreed with the man and certainly not the last. People don't deserve the hate that they get, end of discussion right there. I think this applies to both the subject of this thread and the subject of that video.

This was the one time I've actually liked watching Bill being an interrupting ass. Not sure what else to add I pretty much agree with Bill(Shudders) and that the million moms thing is crazy.

So heres a video of bill o'reilly having a rap battle with John Lennon.

What did I just watch? Seriously? Did that really just happen? Bill... Bill actually said something right for once in his life? This has to be the sign of the apocalypse.

i'm getting my shotgun, time to ready myself for all the flying pork!!!!

Ah, that awkward moment when someone you dont like completely agrees with you on a subject.

Mr.Mattress:
If this were Glenn Beck, he'd be on the "One Million Moms" side. I applaud Bill for defending Ellen DeGeneres (Although I don't like her show at all)

To be honest, I have a hard time telling Glen Beck and Bill OReilly apart. I mostly remember him from this: http://www.cracked.com/video_16942_the-5-most-ridiculous-bill-oreilly-moments.html

It amazes me that people actually exist that have such a view on life, and specifically, other people's lives.

What gender Ellen DeGeneres shares the bed with is her own damn choice, same goes for any other person. I am actually, EXTREMELY, pissed off that America still leads by bad example.

It's discrimination and ignorance at it's finest. This is the 21st century, people, GET OVER YOUR MEDIEVAL FEARS!

Bill O'Reilly is quite the interesting man. I rather respect his hard interviewing style and no BS attitude. Do I agree with everything he says? Nope, but he is certainly a man capable of making very rational and intelligent arguments. Here is an example of that.

Fox brings on a bunch of blundering idiots to argue sides of arguments to try to make the news "entertaining" (though I prefer my news comedy to meant to be actual comedy, not unintentional), but a fair amount of their anchors are pretty cool. They'd be a lot better if they didn't give idiots a place to talk, and they do. There are too many guests like that lady in the video on the programs.

... My parents watch Fox all the time.

Am I still alive...
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Guess so. Man I never thought I would agree with that guy.

It would probably suprise a lot of people to know that Bill O'Reilly is actually the most moderate person on Fox (excluding people just there to provide counterpoints and get shouted down). This doesn't suprise me very much at all.

I hate O'Reilly, but now I have to give him a teeny, tiny shred of my respect. You need a microscope to see it, but it's there now.]

Edit: Oh, and before anyone leaps at the obvious. Yes, that's what she said.

One million stupid moms if you ask me. It's nice to see he at least defends alternative lifestyles partially, even though he did in this instance just because it was a business deal. I'll tip my hat to him this time, but I wouldn't shake the man's hands. He still opposes anything non-traditional in any other facet, so he's not getting much else from me.

It's nice to see that from time to time we can actually find some common ground with the people we disagree with.

btw. That wowan does realize that many of her designer clothes were made by gay people, right?

i'm sorry but i really saw nothing in the video to applaud, Bill was still the same belligerant asshat that he always is, he wasn't even really defending Ellen Degeneres, he was defending the companies right to hire whomever they wanted to.

moving on now.

Good for him, then. I don't understand why these mothers hate gay people so much... maybe I'll send them a letter or something. Pricks...