Alright. When it comes to fighting I am quite sure that Superman would punch a hole through Batman's face and that would be the end of it. Now it pains me to say that because I think as a whole Batman is a far better character than Superman. More interesting. His story lines are better, but, what do you guys think?
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Personally I love both and think we'd be poorer without both.
I'd say the top 3 greatest heroes in my opinion go:
1. The Flash 2. Superman 3. Batman
Batman's great, but I honestly can't relate to him at all. His life is one of tragedy and relentless determination to right the wrongs of the world. This varies with the writers of course, but more or less the reason I don't relate to Batman is because his isn't so concerned with helping people so much as he is with stopping crime. Those run fairly parallel, and Batman still has some heart and will obviously rescue those in danger (which is why he's not lame like, say, the Punisher), but it's the end of crime he pursues, not the well-being of the people. In a way, his motivations could be perceived as selfish, in that his parents were killed, so now he works tirelessly to make their deaths mean something. Again, it varies with the writers, but his crusade isn't for the world, it's for himself. And that's totally fine, it's just not my preferred motivation.
Superman on the other hand has tragedy in his life, but it doesn't define him. He's just a farm boy, raised with good values and blessed with awesome power, who sees mankind struggling and wants to help. He sets an example, and does his best to work with the people rather than from the shadows like Batman. Like Batman, he refuses to kill people, only not because it would be the start of a slippery slope like Batman fears, but because he knows it's wrong. Batman wants to distance himself from mankind, Superman wants to be one of us.
That's just my interpretation of course. I still love both characters, although not quite as much as the Flash. :P
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Batmans way better. But it always sort of ruins him for me that he exists in the same universe as superman and various other op superheros.
I mean cmon, superman could pop over and deal with the all the supervillains of gotham city in a day! Yet batman never seems to be willing to pick up a phone and ask for help, unless its the avengers!
cswurt: Lux Luthor always has a collection of Kryptonite and other weapons, doesn't he?
And isn't Bruce Wayne more wealthy than Lex Luthor? He probably has more Kryptonite than Lex does. And some Anti-Superman Spray on his belt.
Superman once gave Batman a kryptonite ring, in case Superman needed to be killed(I don't remember why). Superman believed that Batman was the only person capable of stopping him, ergo Superman believes Batman is the better man. Batman wins by Superman's own admission.
Superman is just a terrible character in my eyes. Totally overpowered, arbitrary and stupid weaknesses (seriously? kryptonite?), very little actual personality, and often falls prey to ridiculous writing inconsistencies in order to artificially create tension (the dude can travel and survive impacts at light speed, he could kill most shit just by flying into it). While there has been a lot of comics written that either break the aforementioned mold or put Superman in an interesting situation that forces him to reevaluate, question or compromise himself, generally these stories seem to write around Superman's natural blandness. As opposed to prominently featuring one of his character traits, writers have to break or bend the few existing traits via situations Superman is placed in. Ultimately, I see superman as a character who was designed to be looked up to but also vicariously lived through. While that's all well and good, it's really difficult for me to get attached to a character who I see as little more than a heroic cipher for us to project onto.
In that regard, I see batman as a better character by default, but I don't think he's quite as interesting a character as a lot of people make him out to be. I think it's the dynamic between batman and the various characters who inhabit his universe that makes the franchise really shine.
Batman has to use skill to take out most of his opponents. Superman can take on most shit in his sleep no problem and the few times he does come across someone big and bad enough to pose a threat he just goes toe to toe swapping punches until he wins. Superman is just so over powered that he is really boring.
Oh and Batman vs Superman, Batman wins. You know he always carries a chunk of Kryptonite in his belt just in case.
cswurt: Lux Luthor always has a collection of Kryptonite and other weapons, doesn't he?
And isn't Bruce Wayne more wealthy than Lex Luthor? He probably has more Kryptonite than Lex does. And some Anti-Superman Spray on his belt.
Superman once gave Batman a kryptonite ring, in case Superman needed to be killed(I don't remember why). Superman believed that Batman was the only person capable of stopping him, ergo Superman believes Batman is the better man. Batman wins by Superman's own admission.
Which is ridiculous because, if the writers were being honest, superman could kill batman before batman even realized Superman was trying to kill him, ring or no ring. The entire concept of kryptonite as a weapon to be used against Superman in the hands of regular dudes is just retarded when you really evaluate the ridiculous long range attack potential Superman has. Hell, He could just throw a freaking rock at your head from the upper atmosphere. You can be certain that any batman/superman crossover will amount to little more than fanboy pandering. Also, just because you trust someone to pull the trigger if need be it doesn't mean you think they're a better person somehow. Superman is certainly infinitely more useful than batman (again, if the writers were being honest).
there both good in polar opposite ways, mostly how they deal with things. batman is aggressive preferring to lead the situation, while supes is always defensive in his operation. batman is defined by the tragedy of his childhood being , supes however defies being defined by what anyone else does. superman is idealistic in that he wholly believes that people are generally good, batman is pessimistic in that he planed a way to defeat everyone around him... and made brother eye which is an endless pain in the ass for all involved(GJ there, batman). batman is here hes a human and has no powers yet he keeps fighting, superman has nearly limitless power but struggles to contain it.
in terms they're two side of the same coin. one side bright and polished, the other dark and scarred.
Neither is superior to the other; Batman has his place, and Superman has his. There's a time for every thing and so forth.
In general with how they are written (which is distinct from their character as a whole), I would say that Batman tends to be much better. But the deepest pieces I've read of Superman are far deeper than Batman's, so it all depends on what you're needing.
Both characters are pretty lame, Superman is 'perfect' but then suddenly loses his powers every 5 minutes due to either kryptonite or some other weird fallacy they choose to invent. Batman is messed up, he hangs around children and has really awkward moments with Robin that could make him easily identifiable as a paedophile.
A not-so-invincible alien, or delusional middle aged man who hangs around children... I think I choose neither as they are both retarded.
Zen Toombs: Neither is superior to the other; Batman has his place, and Superman has his. There's a time for every thing and so forth.
In general with how they are written (which is distinct from their character as a whole), I would say that Batman tends to be much better. But the deepest pieces I've read of Superman are far deeper than Batman's, so it all depends on what you're needing.
Can't really disagree there. They both have the potential to have some pretty interesting things done with them, but it doesn't always happen with the writing for Superman. Something like Secret Identity that really explores the character well is better than anything Batman-based I've ever seen though. It's kind of tragic that it's been out of print for so long, because it's one of the best comics I've ever read, period.
The Consequence: Alright. When it comes to fighting I am quite sure that Superman would punch a hole through Batman's face and that would be the end of it. Now it pains me to say that because I think as a whole Batman is a far better character than Superman. More interesting. His story lines are better, but, what do you guys think?
Can't believe this is even a question! Batman hands down. Dark Knight was one of my favorite movies ever. Well maybe not top 5 but somewhere up there. Saw it 3 times at the cinemas which is very unusual for me.
I'm not too knowledgeable about Superman so someone fill me in:
What exactly is kryptonite? Does it come from Krypton? If so, why would Superman be weak against something from his own planet? I've never understood that as I never took too much interest in Superman other then videos of the infamous Superman 64.
Anyway, I personally prefer Batman. I feel that he's a more sympathetic and interesting character. Plus one his greatest enemies is the Joker.
Generally Batman, but depends on teh writer, Superman can be done well.
In any case, the bat family is much more itneresting than Batman is...hang on, Robin1/Nightwing was Batman for a bit...Batman wins, hands down.
Having said that, the reboot has presumably ruined them alogn with everything else. If the DC offices were invaded by Daleks[1], killed a bunch of the staff and turned others into Robomen to enslave the rest, the comics still wouldn't be as bad as they are now.
[1] The cool, old school ones, not the rubbish new ones
Most people would say Batman by a longshot, mostly due to the amount of amazing exposure he's had the past two decades. The better character is Batman, but it's not as close as many would think. There's a lot more depth to Superman, a lot of conflicts and personal issues one needs to deal with when you have the power to make or break this world.
Sorry, I can't look at Superman's character with anything even resembling objectivity, so I won't try. He's a God, he can do just about anything the plot needs him to (unless the plot needs him not to), and that's just not something I can look past. He's a god-mode Mary Sue from a time period and medium that didn't have high standards regarding character depth. Fuck Superman.
Inversely, Batman is actually a human being with flaws and weaknesses: Batman wins.
Superman Pros; Superman Cons; Super Strength Fueled by the sun Super Speed Weakness to an element every villain can get a hold off Almost invincible HEATVISION! X-ray vision much more.
1. Define "Superior." No serious. More interesting character? Who would win in a fight? WHo do I like more?
2. This argument is stupid. There fictional characters and thus are nebulous lumps of potential. They're personality and powers have varied wildly between decades, writers, and storylines.
3. Why does one need to be superior to the other? Can't they be equal? Can't we say "superman and batman are friends who save the world" and be done with it? There is always a forced tension where we have a Highlander mentally that there can be only one and we have to chose the best for everything, why not just let things be?
Twilight_guy: 1. Define "Superior." No serious. More interesting character? Who would win in a fight? WHo do I like more?
2. This argument is stupid. There fictional characters and thus are nebulous lumps of potential. They're personality and powers have varied wildly between decades, writers, and storylines.
3. Why does one need to be superior to the other? Can't they be equal? Can't we say "superman and batman are friends who save the world" and be done with it? There is always a forced tension where we have a Highlander mentally that there can be only one and we have to chose the best for everything, why not just let things be?
1.) I believe most people are taking this from a character and writing standpoint. A legit "who would win in a fight" debate is kind of silly, pandering crossovers notwithstanding.
2.) No it's not stupid, the premise is merely vague (admittedly vague to the point that most VS. forum moderators would probably ask for further details), but even taking into account the various versions of supes (golden age, silver age, one million, all star, modern, etc.) and the decidedly fewer iterations of Batman, there are obvious patterns that have formed regardless of who's writing who and when. Superman's power level is probably the most inconsistent thing, but even the weakest version of superman could (realistically) beat batman in a fight with his oft-touted intellect intact and no PIS.
3.) If you're referring to the poll, Yeah it could probably use an "eh, about the same" option. However, if you're just saying in general, it's because it is obviously within several people's range of interest to cast their own opinion and thus likely are interesting in the opinions of others in regards to which character is superior. It's natural to want to see where the numbers stand on the matter in relation to one's own opinion, and that's why polls like this exist. Seriously, it's like looking at two video games and saying "can't we just like both the same?". Obviously people are going to form a preference and feel one is superior. Opinions will diverge but that's what sharing opinions is all about. That's why forums exist.
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Personally I love both and think we'd be poorer without both.
Wow, I never knew Supermans character had so much depth before, I just never thought of him like that.
It's a pity more people didn't seem to read your post though, judging by the amount of "Superman has no character" posts appeared after yours. Thanks for those quotes anyway, they've given me a whole new outlook and respect for Superman.
Alright. When it comes to fighting I am quite sure that Superman would punch a hole through Batman's face and that would be the end of it. Now it pains me to say that because I think as a whole Batman is a far better character than Superman. More interesting. His story lines are better, but, what do you guys think?