Who is the overall superior character?
Superman
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Batman
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Poll: Superior Character: Batman or Superman

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The_root_of_all_evil:
Tricky one:

Mentally: Bats
Monetarily: Bats
Physically: Supes (by a long chalk)
Physically - with preparation time: Bats (He carries kryptonite and he has author powers)
Charisma: Supes
Characterwise: Supes - by a long shot: Batman has no real character.
Staminawise: Supes
Marysue Powers: Equally matched; both have done impossible things, have different coloured eyes, slept with lots of people.

Overall: Superman - because Bats has never died and come back again. He's been Bane-d, but it's not the same as Doomsday'd.

Well... that's arguable because of Final Crisis. Batman didn't technically die, he went back in time and became a caveman, pirate, knight, etc.

Superman came back from the dead, Batman got cloned and the clone got killed almost instantaneously as Batman was sent back in time within the same instant and had to fight his way back through time to come back...

COMICS...ARE...WIEEERRRRD!

Its batman, he probably has some krypotnite around somewhere and then he would use it to beat superman silly, like the majority of people have to do to even scratch superman.
But in terms of the person and story and villans, im still going batman, superman always seems kinda 2D to me.

remnant_phoenix:

The Consequence:
Alright. When it comes to fighting I am quite sure that Superman would punch a hole through Batman's face and that would be the end of it. Now it pains me to say that because I think as a whole Batman is a far better character than Superman. More interesting. His story lines are better, but, what do you guys think?

usmarine4160:
Superman for aforementioned face-hole punching

Wrong and wrong.

Batman has beaten Superman in the comics twice.

Batman always keeps a small stash of Kryptonite just in case Superman goes bad, and Batman always sees Superman's attacks coming because Superman is a meathead and Batman is a genius.

sorry but no. superman gave batman the kryptonite just in case one day he goes crazy or something. And calling superman a meat head? Now that's just unfair superman is still a genius and could do things that no mortal man's brain could whilst batman is just better at deductive reasoning (seeing as how he is a detective in most ways)

I'd say Superman. Why? because unlike batman he actually has a weakness and actually has to try

TheKasp:
Yeah, when Darkseid, a god, kicks Sups ass it's rediculous... Superman fights entities stronger than him on a regular basis and even on earth are several people who can go toe on toe with him (Captain Marvel for example).

Well, it is still rather ridiculous though, you end up with a silly arms race/power creep thing going on, everything ends up OtT.

IMHO, they should ahve kept Batman and Superman seperate, they don't fucntion well in the same universe.

Superman's definitely the more boring of the two. His character doesn't have the flurry of twists and turns that Batman does. And when he does, it needs to be manufactured around him as opposed to just being a part of his psyche. Though neither is my fav, I do enjoy watching/reading both, but Batman is the better.

Yopaz:
Also Superman's "disguise" is too silly for me to be able to take it seriously. "Hey, that looks like Clark Kent!" "Don't be silly, he uses glasses and Superman doesn't". Also The Incredibles taught me that you should never use a cape. EVER.

Well there's a lot of explanations for his disguise. The first is historic/cultural, if you've ever heard of the "grandfather clause", basically when you introduce a new rule it doesn't apply to stuf that predates it. So Superman was invented in the 30's, how superheroes hadn't been hammered out yet and it was a simpler time, technology of the time meant that it would be easier for someone to get around without a mask. If you introduce a new character without a mask, you'd have to deal with this issue, but in general Superman just gets a pass.

In universe there's lots of reasons why his disguise works, firstly a lot of people just assume Superman doesn't have a civillian identity, that he might have been a normal person originally but why would he hold down a day job? Then Superman can vibrate slightly ont he spot at superspeed so there's never any really good photographs of him to compare with. Then when it comes to Clark Kent his entire behaviour changes (he's meant to be a pheonomenal actor), his voice changes raises in pitch, his entire posture is much weaker, he makes less eye contact, this makes you less likely to notice Clark Kent, let alone ponder if he's Superman. Then Clark has a very generic face (some elseworlds have actually explain this as an effect of the spaceship/birthing module making his assilimilation into the human race easier, but that's not really canon), a lot of people probably look like Superman.

Then there's the glasses, they aren't just clear lens, Clark wears glasses with a very strong prescription, the sort that distort your face and eyes, and anyone who knows someone who wears glasses all the time has experienced the shock when seeing them without them, it's very different. Also finally Superman and Clark Kent have been in the same place several times, thanks to Batman and robot copies of Superman.

As for the cape, it's usually made out of Kryptonian cloth that is as tough as Superman, he can use it to wrap someone in when pulling them out of a burning building or similar circumstances and not one of the scenarios posed by Edna would happen to Superman, he couldn't be pulled into a turbine or dragged along by a rocket.

Batman had two decent videogames, dare I say even great games that outdid most of the industry despite being licensed work.

Superman has this:

I believe the choice is pretty clear. Green lantern is superior to both though.

Yopaz:

Also Superman's "disguise" is too silly for me to be able to take it seriously. "Hey, that looks like Clark Kent!" "Don't be silly, he uses glasses and Superman doesn't".

I challenge that good sir!

image

Yeah I know it's a pretty crappy anime but the point still stands.

Batman

purely because i despise Superman, for being LESS interesting then AQUAMAN

Batman is much more interesting than Superman. Also he has Kryptonite.

Batman wins.

I'm not strong, rich, handsome, intelligent and witty like Batman but even then I have an easier time relating to him than Superman. Superman is alright, a bit boring though.

Spot1990:

henritje:
just read Superman Red Son


Batmen obviously.

And if Batman didn't have the lamps Superman would have won... So they both needed help. Although without either of them getting help who do you think would have won. That'd be like me slipping Mike Tyson a roofie punching him in the face and insisting I'm a better fighter than Mike Tyson.

Batman isn't based on supper powers but rather strategy this was pretty clever and how else would you harm Superman?

him over there:
Batman had two decent videogames, dare I say even great games that outdid most of the industry despite being licensed work.

Superman has this:

I believe the choice is pretty clear. Green lantern is superior to both though.

Yopaz:

Also Superman's "disguise" is too silly for me to be able to take it seriously. "Hey, that looks like Clark Kent!" "Don't be silly, he uses glasses and Superman doesn't".

I challenge that good sir!

image

Yeah I know it's a pretty crappy anime but the point still stands.

well, from an artistic standpoint, those are two different characters. You can't just change the angle of a person's eyes and say "the glasses did it".

CODE-D:

McMarbles:
To everyone saying Superman is boring, overpowered, has no peronality...

How many of you have actually sat down and read a Superman story?

Not a Batman story where Superman appears so he can get shown up by Batman, to show everyone how awesome and unbeatable Batman is.

Not a story where Batman and Superman ostensibly share billing, but Superman gets downplayed because the writer has a hardon for Batman.

An actual Superman story.

Its more about aesthetics than stories. (although batman does have better stories(to me))
Batman
Normal man
Superman
Alien
see right there you already have to suspend your belief with superman.

Origin
Batman
Wants to bring justice to the city he grew up in so trains himself physically(like a ninja/fighter) and mentally(like a detective/scientist) to bring this about, also dawns black cape and cowl
Superman
Yellow sun gives him power
Keeps normalcy of his life, his town and sometimes earth, sometimes space.

Villains
Batman
gangsters and psychopaths(whom we all love)

Superman
Lex
Aliens
robots
anybody who knows his weakness

Combat
Batman
Cool gadgets
multiple offensive styles
Planning ahead or if not, analyzing for weaknesses

Superman
Punch
Tackle
various special attacks(lasers, ice breath)
hes a fuckin pokemon

Identity
Batman
Bruce millionaire wayne

Superman
Kent I work at the news Clark
Whos disguise no person can believe works as popular as superman is in his universe.

Lookin at all that batmans just cooler in the long run.

...so... that'd be a no, then?

And I love how everyone's always "DURRR BATMAN'S MORE RELATABLE." You nailed it right here, without even realizing it. Batman's an aristocrat. Superman's a working stiff like us. Grew up on a farm, works a 9-to-5 job. He's the 99%. He's one of us.

Batman(Dick Grayson included) because of Black Mirror. BLACK MIRROR IS SO GOOD!

Batman has better books and a lot more dumb ass, blinkered fans to make it's films successful; Superman has a better character that most writers are to lazy to write a good story about.

And to all those who feel Batman is a more realistic character I have a question:
In a reality where alien cultures frequently have contact with earth, what is more realistic? An alien that has developed super human abilities due to an unatural environment, who has to constantly battle with his own power and just wants to be like everyone else or a person who, due to a traumatic event in his childhood, instead of getting the best counciling money can buy becomes one of the worlds best detectives, escape artists, martial artists, inventors, as well as being well adjusted enough to successfully maintain a secret identity, all in the space of about fifteen to twenty years; without the majority of the world knowing?

I know which is more plausable to me.

werewolfsfury:
And calling superman a meat head? Now that's just unfair superman is still a genius and could do things that no mortal man's brain could whilst batman is just better at deductive reasoning (seeing as how he is a detective in most ways)

Calling Superman a meathead is completely fair when discussing his tactics. In short, he has none. He flies with reckless abandon and no real fighting style because he CAN. He never has to think tactically because he's just THAT powerful. His lack of tactics has often been exploited by his opponents, including...drum roll...Batman.

Just because his mind can do things that the average mortal man's mind can't, doesn't make him a genius. It makes his intellect just above average/standard/unexceptional. Don't misunderstand, I'm not calling Superman an idiot. He's a smart enough guy. But when I say "meathead" I'm talking about a person who doesn't really plan and think things through, who doesn't push the potential of their mind to give them an advantage in combat. So, by that definition, Superman is a meathead. He doesn't think tactically, he just flies in and lets his superpowers take care of the problem.

This isn't an inherently BAD way of doing things, especially if you're as powerful as Superman, but it still makes him a meathead. And this lack of tactics frequently gets him into trouble.

Batman on the other hand has genius-level intelligence and a mastery of tactics, and I'm not just fanboy-gushing here, this is confirmed in the comics. If Superman acted with Batman's tacitics, he'd be truly unstoppable. But he doesn't. And that's why he's a meathead.

WolfThomas:
Then when it comes to Clark Kent his entire behaviour changes (he's meant to be a pheonomenal actor), his voice changes raises in pitch, his entire posture is much weaker, he makes less eye contact, this makes you less likely to notice Clark Kent, let alone ponder if he's Superman.

That's actually one of my favourite things in All Star Superman. Frank Quitley did a phenomenal job of distinguishing between Superman and Clark's body language. I actually can't think of any other depiction I've seen or read that did as good a job as he managed. Everything from slumping his shoulders, letting his back arch, his constant clumsiness disguising him saving people without ever putting on the costume, the messy hair, glasses. He even made him look slightly heavier around the waist like you'd expect a Kansas farm boy would. I used to give the glasses a bit of an eye roll like others despite being a huge fan of Superman and the in universe explanations they give. But once I read All Star it finally clicked for me and I realized that it's actually a lot more plausible than many think.

I'd say Batman because he has to overcome the fact he has no superpowers whatsoever. His character also has flaws while superman is meant to be the perfect man.

McMarbles:

CODE-D:

McMarbles:
To everyone saying Superman is boring, overpowered, has no peronality...

How many of you have actually sat down and read a Superman story?

Not a Batman story where Superman appears so he can get shown up by Batman, to show everyone how awesome and unbeatable Batman is.

Not a story where Batman and Superman ostensibly share billing, but Superman gets downplayed because the writer has a hardon for Batman.

An actual Superman story.

Its more about aesthetics than stories. (although batman does have better stories(to me))
Batman
Normal man
Superman
Alien
see right there you already have to suspend your belief with superman.

Origin
Batman
Wants to bring justice to the city he grew up in so trains himself physically(like a ninja/fighter) and mentally(like a detective/scientist) to bring this about, also dawns black cape and cowl
Superman
Yellow sun gives him power
Keeps normalcy of his life, his town and sometimes earth, sometimes space.

Villains
Batman
gangsters and psychopaths(whom we all love)

Superman
Lex
Aliens
robots
anybody who knows his weakness

Combat
Batman
Cool gadgets
multiple offensive styles
Planning ahead or if not, analyzing for weaknesses

Superman
Punch
Tackle
various special attacks(lasers, ice breath)
hes a fuckin pokemon

Identity
Batman
Bruce millionaire wayne

Superman
Kent I work at the news Clark
Whos disguise no person can believe works as popular as superman is in his universe.

Lookin at all that batmans just cooler in the long run.

...so... that'd be a no, then?

And I love how everyone's always "DURRR BATMAN'S MORE RELATABLE." You nailed it right here, without even realizing it. Batman's an aristocrat. Superman's a working stiff like us. Grew up on a farm, works a 9-to-5 job. He's the 99%. He's one of us.

I doubt most of us were born on a farm.

But superman doesnt have to work that job like we do and and and probably doesnt make him tired like us so it kinda makes the point him being relatable null and void.

More often than not I'd take Marvel over DC anyway.

OT: Superman would be the better in a fight, but that's because the writers made him kinda over powered and that makes him lame. The Best superhero's need a weakness that the enemy can exploit. However, if your going to have a character who can fly, punch holes through Batman, etc. don't make his weakness a rock because that's just stupid.

Everybody loves Batman, this cannot be denied. But let's be honest here in terms of a Batman vs. Superman fight.

In the best of circumstances for a straight up fight, the absolute peak of Batman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Batman practically having clairvoyance, predicting everything that will ever happen in a fight and preparing for it in every, way, shape, or form. However, on the flip side, the absolute peak of Superman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Superman being God... No matter which way you look at it, Supe's is gonna win, guys.

It essentially amounts to this:

image

"Superman is a farm boy that works a shitty job just like us! obviously more relateable! herp derp"

NO. He pretends to be one of us. And fails. FAAAAIILLLLLSSS. Thats why Clark Kent is a loser. One of us? Hell if I could fly and see through women's clothing then I would be a tyrannical super-being that would enslave the world. Superboring can go wear his underwear outside his pants and leave us all alone.

"Batman is just a fantasy of what we would do if we we're rich"

I could say Superman is a fantasy of what we would be if we had superpowers, and it would be just as valid. Batman is probably to be honest one of the worst 'super'-heroes around. Watch the Justice League, he takes twice as long to get anywhere and do anything, and has to leave all the fighting of the really powerful things to Superman, GL, Wonderwoman, Flash, because, whats a batarang going to do against whatever space-god they fight that day? I think a lot of it has to do with the tone and costume. Look at Superderp's goddam costume and curly hair-thing going on. ITS FREAKING RIDICULOUS. Batman is a man.....dressed like a bat, that breaks people's arms to solve crimes.

Another problem with Superdork is that he isnt deep. He is strong so he punches things and shoots laser beams like a freakin' pokemon. Where Batman actually has to problem solve like a normal person. It makes for a more engaging conflict between villain and hero.

For.I.Am.Mad:
In my old age I've come to appreciate Superman and what he stands for. So...Superman.

'All that power makes him boring.' Ok, then what's Goku's excuse?

Who said he gets one? :p

Superman is too naive and idealistic for my taste.

Batman once cynically commented that that is actually a good thing for the world - for Superman to be the way he is. That "It is a remarkable dichotomy. In many ways, Clark is the most human of us all. Then...he shoots fire from the skies, and it is difficult not to think of him as a god. And how fortunate we all are that it does not occur to him.".

TheDrunkNinja:

In the best of circumstances for a straight up fight, the absolute peak of Batman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Batman practically having clairvoyance, predicting everything that will ever happen in a fight and preparing for it in every, way, shape, or form. However, on the flip side, the absolute peak of Superman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Superman being God... No matter which way you look at it, Supe's is gonna win, guys.

But that's basically Batman's character. He is "crazy prepared". Is it realistic? Nope. But neither is shooting lasers from your eyes nor lifting airplanes without said airplane from falling a part or crumbling like a soda can - airplanes aren't designed to be dragged around by application of a huge amount of force to a small point on it's air frame.

This is the same Batman that, when he was part of the Justice League, researched and wrote up detailed plans on how to defeat every member of said league just in case someone goes rogue - granted it didn't go down well with the rest of the league when they found out.

For.I.Am.Mad:
In my old age I've come to appreciate Superman and what he stands for. So...Superman.

'All that power makes him boring.' Ok, then what's Goku's excuse?

With regards to anime, as someone else already pointed out,

LetalisK:
Who said he gets one? :p

Personally, most of the time I find the (more cynical and calculating) "rival" character in shounen anime way more interesting that the (overly idealistic and hot-head) lead.

Naruto : Sasuke
Toaru Majutsu no Index : Accelerator

The only shounen anime where I did not end up cheering for the "rival" character more is Code Geass, because in that show the writers deliberately swap the roles of the two archetypes.

PS: Of course there are show like EVA, but it doesn't count as the show was a huge departure from the usual "formula".
PPS: Come to think of it, there Escaflowne as well, but it is also kind of a break from the norm as it has shoujo manga/anime type bishounen as leads.

In terms of power, Superman. In terms of badassery, however, Batman takes the cake.

deadish:

TheDrunkNinja:

In the best of circumstances for a straight up fight, the absolute peak of Batman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Batman practically having clairvoyance, predicting everything that will ever happen in a fight and preparing for it in every, way, shape, or form. However, on the flip side, the absolute peak of Superman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Superman being God... No matter which way you look at it, Supe's is gonna win, guys.

But that's basically Batman's character. He is "crazy prepared". Is it realistic? Nope. But neither is shooting lasers from your eyes nor lifting airplanes without said airplane from falling a part or crumbling like a soda can - airplanes aren't designed to be dragged around by application of a huge amount of force to a small point on it's air frame.

This is the same Batman that, when he was part of the Justice League, researched and wrote up detailed plans on how to defeat every member of said league just in case someone goes rogue - granted it didn't go down well with the rest of the league when they found out.

That's all very nice for Batman. It still wouldn't help him. Like I said, everybody loves Batman, but my point isn't about which character you like more.

TheDrunkNinja:
But let's be honest here in terms of a Batman vs. Superman fight.

All I'm talking about is the fight. And Batman wouldn't win.

god they are both horribly stupid... hur dur lets lock up this super villain instead of killing him even tho the last 1000 times we've done it he escaped and killed/hurt masses of innocent people... they both need to get a grip on reality and stop being such pussies

deadish:

For.I.Am.Mad:
In my old age I've come to appreciate Superman and what he stands for. So...Superman.

'All that power makes him boring.' Ok, then what's Goku's excuse?

With regards to anime, as someone else already pointed out,

LetalisK:
Who said he gets one? :p

Personally, most of the time I find the (more cynical and calculating) "rival" character in shounen anime way more interesting that the (overly idealistic and hot-head) lead.

Naruto : Sasuke
Toaru Majutsu no Index : Accelerator

The only shounen anime where I did not end up cheering for the "rival" character more is Code Geass, because in that show the writers deliberately swap the roles of the two archetypes.

PS: Of course there are show like EVA, but it doesn't count as the show was a huge departure from the usual "formula".
PPS: Come to think of it, there Escaflowne as well, but it is also kind of a break from the norm as it has shoujo manga/anime type bishounen as leads.

I fear this might be going off topic a bit... but, here it goes:

So am I to understand that there's some underground Frieza fanbase I've never heard of? Hell, Goku isn't even a "hot-head". That dude is cool as a cucumber compared to everyone else in the cast. And because calculating and cynical is exactly what Frieza was, Frieza can easily be considered Goku's greatest rival as it resulted in him finally reaching Super Saiyan to beat him.

The point of Frieza is that he is all about calculated moves with every step planned out next. The point of Goku is that he defies calculations.

[insert-scouter-joke-here]

TheDrunkNinja:

All I'm talking about is the fight. And Batman wouldn't win.

Well, it really depends on who is writing and just how lethal/effective krytonite is.

TheDrunkNinja:

I fear this might be going off topic a bit... but, here it goes:

So am I to understand that there's some underground Frieza fanbase I've never heard of? Hell, Goku isn't even a "hot-head". That dude is cool as a cucumber compared to everyone else in the cast. And because calculating and cynical is exactly what Frieza was, Frieza can easily be considered Goku's greatest rival as it resulted in him finally reaching Super Saiyan to beat him.

The point of Frieza is that he is all about calculated moves with every step planned out next. The point of Goku is that he defies calculations.

[insert-scouter-joke-here]

Might be a little late to say this, but I never really seriously watch DragonBall. :p I only seen a few episodes here and there when they appear on TV when I was younger. So you know, the details ...

That said, my impression of things is, DragonBall basically set the standard for shounen manga/anime. The idealistic and naive lead (Goku) vs the cynical rival (Vegata; or what his name is) - at least I think vegata is the cynical rival, as I said I never watch much, so it's mostly assumption.

Every shounen manga/anime more or less follows variations of that pattern - with a few changes and upgrades of course; the rival characters have gotten more good-looking over the years (Sasuke and Accelerator are for all intents and purposes bishounen).

deadish:

TheDrunkNinja:

All I'm talking about is the fight. And Batman wouldn't win.

Well, it really depends on who is writing and just how lethal/effective krytonite is.

Re-read my post again:

TheDrunkNinja:
In the best of circumstances for a straight up fight, the absolute peak of Batman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Batman practically having clairvoyance, predicting everything that will ever happen in a fight and preparing for it in every, way, shape, or form. However, on the flip side, the absolute peak of Superman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Superman being God... No matter which way you look at it, Supe's is gonna win, guys.

We're talking the absolute best that either character has every been. What would happen when they cut loose, but it was a straight up fight. One day, Superman and Batman met while walking down the street, shook each others hands, and immediately got a sudden urge to absolutely murder one another.

If you say that Batman practically has clairvoyance and predicts anything and everything Superman can do, that's over-romanticization of his character, and that means an over-romanticization of Superman's character is also required. And when I say that results in Superman being God, I don't mean he's able to resist Batman's kryptonite. I'm saying that when the Mortal Kombat music starts playing and Shao Khan yells "FIGHT", Batman would have 0.000000001 seconds to react before Superman kills him, as seen in the previous comic.

This isn't speculation or hypothetical composition of a comic writer, since the fight isn't as much of a concern for the writer as the story is, and we're only looking at the fight here. It doesn't depend on anything. It's just honesty. Straight up.

I'm batman and I am very dissapointed with these results. Expect a punching, all 221 of you....

EDIT: No, wait! 223! 226! 259!

Oh dammit. I'll just get the batcomputer to work it out for me.

Blue Beetle.
He's got Batman's gadgetry with Spidey's youth and wisecracks.
End of story.
(also his suit looks pretty pimp)

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