Cop Tasers Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state

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Yea being tackled by someone who is supposed to be trained to tackle people would have killed her on the spot, because that the only thing worse than being in vegetative state I can think of...

I think I beg to differ.

Ah, another thread of someone doing something morally ambiguous and the ensuing incredibly long argument. *Yawn*

GoaThief:

Hero in a half shell:
resonable force being the non-lethal weapons he had been given to apprehend offenders.

Shit of the bull.

There is a reason why even the US Justice Department has begun calling tasers and the like "less-lethal weapons". [1]

The officer clearly did not follow protocol and thanks to the insular nature of policing, got out of jail free on a technicality.

Yeah, LESS lethal as in: Non-Lethal except in accidents like this. The use of the wepon is A-O.K in my opinion, so was the INTENT, which EVERYONE seems to be ignoring, it's an unfortunate acident that she fell on her head.

Blablahb:

Hero in a half shell:
No, in your analogy the person had done absolutely nothing wrong

They were talking back to me. How dare they upset the authoritarian order where the one in uniform is always right.

Much like running away, talking is clearly a good grounds for beating someone up mercilessly, don't you agree? Actually, talking to someone and disagreeing with them is obviously more agressive than running away, so it's an even better reason.

Hero in a half shell:
In the actual event the person already guilty of several crimes

I wasn't aware that in the US trials had been abolished for charges other than terrorism and copyright infringement as well. Since when has that been?

Hero in a half shell:
Yes, and in cases that the police officer cannot physically catch an offender what do they do? Just give up.

Exactly. Just about everybody gets caught later on anyway, or report themselves because living a fugitive sucks.

Hero in a half shell:
I agree that his physical state is a disgrace, and this guy is unfit for purpose, but the girl was not "peacefull" nor was the violence "deadly".

She had cuffs on and was running *away*. How can that possibly be violent? And she's dead. How could the violence not be deadly? Besides, like others have already argued, even US policeman are trained to understand what tasing someone does. That policeman made a concious decision to expose someone to grave harm, resulting in death, rather than trying to run after her.

And for that decision, he would've been punished in any justice system.

Hero in a half shell:
You said it, not me: "policemen try to enforce the law and arrest criminals with minimal force." using a tazer is a non-lethal method to stop someone breaking the law.

Which is tied to rules. Rules like "Don't kill people if you can just grab a hold of them". Although obviously, that rule didn't make it into the US police handbook. Much like was shown in the summary executions of Kenneth Harding and Michael Nida, and many other cases of weapon-crazed US cops shooting first and checking if it was allowed later.

And they wonder why in the US, more policemen are killed in a year than in most countries in a century. Well, because some offender quite rightly think "It's you or me, and I got these legal guns here anyway, so..."

Hero in a half shell:
Again, there was no intention of killing her.

Which is why he should be sacked from the police, and convicted for manslaughter, but not murder.

Hero in a half shell:
His only intent was aprehending her with minimal harm to both him and her.

That's not true. He used something close to maximal violence to aprehend her. The only more violent option would've been to draw his firearm and perform an extrajudicial execution on the spot.

Almost made the mistake of taking you seriously before this comment, troll.

Sorry, I don't normally like to post two times unless I'm quoting someone, but I find this laughable.

I love how one of the arguments against the cop is that "She had drugs in her system, so she was more likely to slip into a coma." Totally the cops fault. Obviously.

In no way is it the fault of the person TAKING THE DAMN DRUGS. I'm sorry, this is just strange to me. Remember Internet? Back when you were good at finding out who the good guy and the bad guys were in a situation? When did someone taking drugs and therefore become more likely to go into a coma if injured, mean it's not their fault in any way?

I don't really sympathize with the girl. She was running from the police. I read the article and apparently she was also drugged up and running towards an interstate. Not only that, but the cop in question was nearly 200 pounds heavier than the girl. Would it have been better for him to tackle her? A football player against a petite woman? Maybe he could have whacked her over the head with his baton?

Not 100% justified, but damn near close. Still, it's very unfortunate that she made those decisions, because really it was her lifestyle that caused her to end up that way.

Ah, another police thread!
Pick your side:
Pro-'He's a cop, he's the LAW'-cop
Neg-'Fk da pigs maaan!'-cop

Bonus points will be awarded for increasing hostility in replies, overly verbose arguments, calling someone 'Adolf' and finally, comparing the incident to the holocaust.

We believe your opinion matters(tm).

What a cesspit of a thread. It's interesting that the overwhelming majority of non-US posters seem to think that the officer is massively in the wrong and the suspect - guilty of nothing more than running from police at this point - should not have been tased. The overwhelming majority of US posters are in full support of the officer, even going as far to say the woman deserved it and the officer was lenient by not unloading his firearm into her back. Oh, and it's a-OK to call her a subhuman braindead drug-addict but not to accuse the officer of being overweight - which he unarguably is - nor that it is his fault he's obese.

I bet they also wonder where the stereotype that Americans are fat, bloodthirsty knuckledraggers originates.

FarleShadow:
Ah, another police thread!
Pick your side:
Pro-'He's a cop, he's the LAW'-cop
Neg-'Fk da pigs maaan!'-cop

Bonus points will be awarded for increasing hostility in replies, overly verbose arguments, calling someone 'Adolf' and finally, comparing the incident to the holocaust.

We believe your opinion matters(tm).

You're too late. We've already had people comparing police procedure to mandating exterminating jews in this thread.

IXIFatTonyIXI:
blah

Clearly you haven't read any material on taser safety and mortality rate, not even the link you quoted.

Less lethal = still leathal, but less lethal than shooting with a firearm.

A non-lethal weapon is something like a tonfa or pepperspray. Is it really that hard to understand?

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Sorry, but whats your point? Shooting them is good because it costs taxpayers less so thats the way to go?

My point is that you are comparing tazing a fleeing perp to shooting an armed suspect about to chop a cop's head off.

Ishigami:
Yea being tackled by someone who is supposed to be trained to tackle people would have killed her on the spot, because that the only thing worse than being in vegetative state I can think of...

I think I beg to differ.

You missed the point.

The tazer brought her down, and she couldn't protect herself, causing the damage to her brain.

A tackle brings you down. There is nothing you can do when you're cuffed. She would end up with either broken bones or actually ending up in a vegetative state anyway.

And then you would have a thread about people crying for cops to stop tackling people when they are cuffed.

GoaThief:
What a cesspit of a thread. It's interesting that the overwhelming majority of non-US posters seem to think that the officer is massively in the wrong and the suspect - guilty of nothing more than running from police at this point - should not have been tased. The overwhelming majority of US posters are in full support of the officer, even going as far to say the woman deserved it and the officer was lenient by not unloading his firearm into her back. Oh, and it's a-OK to call her a subhuman braindead drug-addict but not to accuse the officer of being overweight - which he unarguably is - nor that it is his fault he's obese.

I bet they also wonder where the stereotype that Americans are fat, bloodthirsty knuckledraggers originates.

Hey look, I can do this too!
Isn't it interesting that all the non-Americans think the girl was right in running away from the cops? That must mean that all non-Americans hate justice and the law and want to plunge the world into anarchy, those bastards! How peculiar that the US-people are 100% behind this paragon of justice. Americans are the greatest people in the world because they love this kind of justice, as well as their baseball and apple pie.

See, I can make up things in order to stereotype groups and prove points, too. Even attempting to imply that the sides of this argument are in relation to whether or not one side fits a stereotype basically kills any argument you attempt to make.

"I know that I can't just jump on her. I'm three times her weight. If we go down, one, or both of us, is going to get hurt. The taser is the intermediate weapon of choice,"

Now, I don't know if that's what he really felt at the time, but I'm just going to go ahead and leave that explanation as justification. Hell, if he had tackled her while both of them were running and injured her, this discussion would simply be named "Cop Tackles Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state," instead, and everyone blasting the cop would be demanding to know why he didn't just use a taser.

HigherTomorrow:

GoaThief:
What a cesspit of a thread. It's interesting that the overwhelming majority of non-US posters seem to think that the officer is massively in the wrong and the suspect - guilty of nothing more than running from police at this point - should not have been tased. The overwhelming majority of US posters are in full support of the officer, even going as far to say the woman deserved it and the officer was lenient by not unloading his firearm into her back. Oh, and it's a-OK to call her a subhuman braindead drug-addict but not to accuse the officer of being overweight - which he unarguably is - nor that it is his fault he's obese.

I bet they also wonder where the stereotype that Americans are fat, bloodthirsty knuckledraggers originates.

Hey look, I can do this too!
Isn't it interesting that all the non-Americans think the girl was right in running away from the cops? That must mean that all non-Americans hate justice and the law and want to plunge the world into anarchy, those bastards! How peculiar that the US-people are 100% behind this paragon of justice. Americans are the greatest people in the world because they love this kind of justice, as well as their baseball and apple pie.

See, I can make up things in order to stereotype groups and prove points, too. Even attempting to imply that the sides of this argument are in relation to whether or not one side fits a stereotype basically kills any argument you attempt to make.

exactly, i read it as 'girl takes drugs, performs at least 2 hit and runs, continually escapes handcuffs, and runs from station gets tazed and lands on her head'

yes tragic SHE chose to take drugs and that SHE committed several crimes and then SHE chose to run from a police station resulting in getting a severe head injury

maybe some people think that anyone who runs from cops should just be let go

ElPatron:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Sorry, but whats your point? Shooting them is good because it costs taxpayers less so thats the way to go?

My point is that you are comparing tazing a fleeing perp to shooting an armed suspect about to chop a cop's head off.

Ishigami:
Yea being tackled by someone who is supposed to be trained to tackle people would have killed her on the spot, because that the only thing worse than being in vegetative state I can think of...

I think I beg to differ.

You missed the point.

The tazer brought her down, and she couldn't protect herself, causing the damage to her brain.

A tackle brings you down. There is nothing you can do when you're cuffed. She would end up with either broken bones or actually ending up in a vegetative state anyway.

And then you would have a thread about people crying for cops to stop tackling people when they are cuffed.

Wut u on aboot govana? I never compared anything to nuffin!

I agree on the last part though.

Ishigami:
Yea being tackled by someone who is supposed to be trained to tackle people would have killed her on the spot, because that the only thing worse than being in vegetative state I can think of...

I think I beg to differ.

*facepalm*

Read. My. Post.

Even when trained to tackle someone, a guy who outweighs a person by at least ONE HUNDRED POUNDS is going to do some damage, no ifs ands or buts.

DarthSka:
"I know that I can't just jump on her. I'm three times her weight. If we go down, one, or both of us, is going to get hurt. The taser is the intermediate weapon of choice,"

Now, I don't know if that's what he really felt at the time, but I'm just going to go ahead and leave that explanation as justification. Hell, if he had tackled her while both of them were running and injured her, this discussion would simply be named "Cop Tackles Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state," instead, and everyone blasting the cop would be demanding to know why he didn't just use a taser.

Or fire a warning shot. Can't please some...most people. May as well not even bother to try.

Kopikatsu:

DarthSka:
"I know that I can't just jump on her. I'm three times her weight. If we go down, one, or both of us, is going to get hurt. The taser is the intermediate weapon of choice,"

Now, I don't know if that's what he really felt at the time, but I'm just going to go ahead and leave that explanation as justification. Hell, if he had tackled her while both of them were running and injured her, this discussion would simply be named "Cop Tackles Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state," instead, and everyone blasting the cop would be demanding to know why he didn't just use a taser.

Or fire a warning shot.

Her brain was full of cocaine, and she was heading for a busy road. In her altered mental state, she might not have responded to the shot. He had to stop her with with the option that had the least chance of hurting her. In this situation, the taser fit that bill. The fact that it did cause her harm was simply bad luck.

luckshot:

exactly, i read it as 'girl takes drugs,

Yes, she did. That in itself is not a crime, possession of drugs would be but not their consumption. Also, it's worth noting that although she tested positive for those drugs they could have been ingested at any point, eg; months in the past with traces in hair follicles. Either way it's pretty irrelevant.

performs at least 2 hit and runs

No, she was wanted in connection with. Big difference. She could have been a passenger whilst someone else was driving - either way this would need to be settled in court. It is not for police officers to act as judge, jury and in this case, executioner (even if unintentional).

continually escapes handcuffs, and runs from station

Yes, she is guilty of this. As I stated.

gets tazed

She was tased by accident? No. The officer clearly did not follow guidelines.

and lands on her head

The direct result of the above which should have been avoided.

yes tragic SHE chose to take drugs and that SHE committed several crimes and then SHE chose to run from a police station resulting in getting a severe head injury

Yes, it is fucking tragic numbnuts. That's just the thing. A life has been needlessly lost, all due to an authority figure directly ignoring guidelines put in place which should prevent incidents like this from happening. Remember that the police need to be held to a higher standard than the general public they are sworn to protect and serve.

maybe some people think that anyone who runs from cops should just be let go

Please point out the multiple examples of people stating that the suspect in question should have been allowed to go free, without charge.

Kopikatsu:
Or fire a warning shot. Can't please some...most people. May as well not even bother to try.

Discharging a firearm randomly up in the air in a city is generally discouraged.

Also, if you are running from teh cops, and they start firing, RUN FASTER!

Hindsight is 20/20. I don't think ANYBODY would be expecting the brain damage she recieved from the concussion.

I would have thought the cop would have put her in a state that she couldn't have escaped in the first place. I dunno, just hold her arm tightly or chain her to something?

I would have hoped the cop would have attempted to just grab her as soon as she was about to run away.

I would have thought the cop would have some sense to not just let her fall on the ground after tazing her. Was he too far away to catch her?

I would have thought a fall like that wouldn't cause her severe brain damage. Honestly nobody is at fault for the brain damage, it was completely unexpected and NOBODY could have predicted that. It's about as expected as someone having to amputate a leg when it gets broken.

And lastly, I would have thought the girl would have some sense to NOT run away.

I think the cop was acting lazy though, there was probably an easier solution than using a taser, especially since the handcuffed woman shown no threat to either his, or anybody nearby's well being.

DarthSka:
He had to stop her with with the option that had the least chance of hurting her.

So are you honestly going to sit there telling the world that the officer did not have the option of grabbing her with his pudgy bare hands, completely negating the need for contact with the ground (aside from feet). Calling for backup and following is also a non-option? More to the point, a taser clearly does not fit any "maximum safety" bill in that situation. A taser is one step down from using a firearm. This means that even pulling out his baton and hitting her with it is more acceptable and appropriate.

It seems that taser use in the US is so prevalent that even the general public now think it is a perfectly acceptable method of obtaining compliance from a weak and non-violent suspect.

Hey, I might as well jump on the tune bandwagon whilst everyone else is at it;

GoaThief:

and lands on her head

The direct result of the above which should have been avoided.

There are a few ways that this could have been avoided. The main one being her not trying to run. Another would be for the cop to not allow her to escape his custody. But saying that its the cops fault that she fell on her head is pure ignorance. Her becoming brain dead is a freak accident not forseen in any way.

yes tragic SHE chose to take drugs and that SHE committed several crimes and then SHE chose to run from a police station resulting in getting a severe head injury

Yes, it is fucking tragic numbnuts. That's just the thing. A life has been needlessly lost, all due to an authority figure directly ignoring guidelines put in place which should prevent incidents like this from happening. Remember that the police need to be held to a higher standard than the general public they are sworn to protect and serve.

Most guidelines state that the use of non-lethal force can be used if necessary. Tazers ARE non-lethal force like I said above its a freak accident that she became brain dead.

maybe some people think that anyone who runs from cops should just be let go

Please point out the multiple examples of people stating that the suspect in question should have been allowed to go free, without charge.

There is actually someone on quite a few pages calling the cop a fat slob. Maybe you've seen him in this thread? Well he keeps saying that the person should have just been let go and picked up at a later time. Well as you said above about following the guidelines. They prohibit that and the cop would be reprimanded for allowing a suspect to get away.

GoaThief:
Hey, I might as well jump on the tune bandwagon whilst everyone else is at it;

this is much more appropriate

Liquidacid23:
this should be her new theme song... she can listen to it while just hanging out and vegetating :P

GoaThief:

DarthSka:
He had to stop her with with the option that had the least chance of hurting her.

So are you honestly going to sit there telling the world that the officer did not have the option of grabbing her with his pudgy bare hands, completely negating the need for contact with the ground (aside from feet). Calling for backup and following is also a non-option? More to the point, a taser clearly does not fit any "maximum safety" bill in that situation. A taser is one step down from using a firearm. This means that even pulling out his baton and hitting her with it is more acceptable and appropriate.

It seems that taser use in the US is so prevalent that even the general public now think it is a perfectly acceptable method of obtaining compliance from a weak and non-violent suspect.

1) The tazer isn't prevalent in the US. My dad is a cop and they have not been issued tazers and are not going to be issued tazers anytime soon.
2) Grabbing her with his pudgy little hands as you put it would also lead to her getting slammed to the ground. Because that is procedure. So there is also a chance that she could have ended up as a vegetable if he did what you had stated.
3) Weak and non-violent? She is wanted in connection to 2 hit and runs and has also tested positive for drugs multiple times. Just because it is a woman does not make her weak and non-violent. You have no idea what she did to get away from him in the first place and usually to be able to bolt like that you have to use some amount of force to get out of the officer's grip already.

oktalist:

will1182:
Oh god, another one of these "HEARTLESS MONSTER COP MUNCHES ON BABY'S SKULL" threads.

Actually it's another one of those "everyone jumps to defend criminally incompetent cop on the grounds that all cops are highly trained professionals doing an important job that puts them beyond all criticism, plus savagely beating a person is cool as long as they're a criminal" threads.

And, in turn, one of those 'everyone jumps to defend CRIMINALS who ACCIDENTALLY hurt themselves because we feel all cops are bad' threads.

Like you.

And please, don't say 'oh I didn't say that'...because you did. You said it in how you say NOTHING but abuse for the 'criminal incompetent cop' when A) he was neither and B) you have no evidence, but make the claim anyway like somehow you know better.

YOUR words say that you Do Not Care about the cop- you care about the criminal and feel that no matter what criminals do, you'll make excuses for it and blame the cop.

Krion_Vark:
Her becoming brain dead is a freak accident not forseen in any way.

It very much can be foreseen in every possible way, especially by those who are trained in taser use and have very clear usage guidelines in place.

Tazers ARE non-lethal force like I said above

Stop being ignorant and get educated, as has already been covered (even on this page) - tasers are "less lethal" not "non-lethal".

its a freak accident that she became brain dead.

No, it's far from being a freak accident (see above) although I will agree that the officer probably did not wish to cause brain death. Hence why if this were to go to public court a charge of manslaughter would be more appropriate rather than murder.

There is actually someone on quite a few pages calling the cop a fat slob.

By all appearances, they'd be correct in saying this. I digress;

Well as you said above about following the guidelines. They prohibit that and the cop would be reprimanded for allowing a suspect to get away.

In fact there are guidelines that state it is perfectly acceptable to allow a suspect to get away if capturing them would result in needless danger to the public. Perusing a suspect on foot across a busy highway might indeed be covered by this.

One person does not people make, though.

Again, there are many other and more appropriate actions this officer could have taken to avoid her injury.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Wut u on aboot govana? I never compared anything to nuffin!

lol

The cop shot a tazer at a handcuffed person, it's not the same thing as a cop making use of his service gun.

Two different situations. Two different levels of lethality. Two different complaints about the cop's procedure.

And unloading 10 shots is perfectly reasonable. Trust me.

Ishigami:
From what I've read on the internet US cops seem to learn that they can use Tazers basically for everything and on everyone. Because it is so much easier to just electrocute someone then for example talk someone down or overwhelm physically it is used without measure.
The ultimate tool to regain the respect someone else just denied them...
A disrespect full women behind the wheel ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGXH-MwUt5E ) is hardly a reason to use a Tazer in my eyes for example.
All this "they had it coming" talk is nonsense to me. The Tazer is a weapon despite many media portraying it as "harmless tool" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues ) and using a weapon for minor offenses is simply out of the question for me.
Anyway in this case for example he could have grabbed her (not to much of a distance between them) or tackled her. Mind you when you get tackled you're instincts are still working and she would have used her arms to soften her fall. Abrasions? Probably. Bruises? Likely. Broken bone? Maybe. Brain damage? Highly unlikely...
As everyone know when you get electrocute you have no control over your muscles, she could therefore not use her arms to soften the fall.
Judging by the footage I say another case of hitting the fly with the sledgehammer... the cop should be fired for using excessive measures and in order to prevent such things from occurring ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7uudtvX8yo&feature=related ) the rules of using a Tazers equalized to that of regular firearm.

Tasers are regarded in America as highly safe. Granted there are few cases where it does deal damage, but its safe 98% of the time. American cops like to use tasers so they can put someone down without actually hurting them or man handling them.

This is one of the few cases where it lead to damage, but that was due to environment and not to the taser itself. I doubt he was running complex equations in his head to know if she was moving fast enough to get hurt by using a taser.

Tasers are not a catch all, but they are highly regarded. The only criticism tasers get in America is its use on people high on drugs or with heart problems or pace makers. They fear the addict's heart could give out if subjected to both drugs and electrocution. I don't need to explain why for heart problems. Other than that, its fine.

ElPatron:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Wut u on aboot govana? I never compared anything to nuffin!

lol

The cop shot a tazer at a handcuffed person, it's not the same thing as a cop making use of his service gun.

Two different situations. Two different levels of lethality. Two different complaints about the cop's procedure.

And unloading 10 shots is perfectly reasonable. Trust me.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I never said any wrong action was taken in this case. You can look up my earliest post.

SickBritKid:

Ishigami:
Yea being tackled by someone who is supposed to be trained to tackle people would have killed her on the spot, because that the only thing worse than being in vegetative state I can think of...

I think I beg to differ.

*facepalm*

Read. My. Post.

Even when trained to tackle someone, a guy who outweighs a person by at least ONE HUNDRED POUNDS is going to do some damage, no ifs ands or buts.

Have these people never played rugby or American football? I agree fully. When you tackle someone full force, they have a good chance of smashing their head on the ground. If that happens on concrete, well, theres a distinct possibility of brain damage and/or death.

Rottweiler:

oktalist:

will1182:
Oh god, another one of these "HEARTLESS MONSTER COP MUNCHES ON BABY'S SKULL" threads.

Actually it's another one of those "everyone jumps to defend criminally incompetent cop on the grounds that all cops are highly trained professionals doing an important job that puts them beyond all criticism, plus savagely beating a person is cool as long as they're a criminal" threads.

And, in turn, one of those 'everyone jumps to defend CRIMINALS who ACCIDENTALLY hurt themselves because we feel all cops are bad' threads.

Like you.

And please, don't say 'oh I didn't say that'...because you did.

I did not defend the actions of the criminal. Or does pointing out that someone shouldn't have been maimed count as defending their actions?

If you think that a criminal accidenally hurting themselves is less bad than an innocent person hurting themselves, then I disagree in the strongest possible terms.

You said it in how you say NOTHING but abuse for the 'criminal incompetent cop' when A) he was neither and B) you have no evidence, but make the claim anyway like somehow you know better.

YOUR words say that you Do Not Care about the cop- you care about the criminal and feel that no matter what criminals do, you'll make excuses for it and blame the cop.

You are right, I don't care much about this police officer. Pretty much because he's still got a working brain. I don't wish any harm upon him, but I wouldn't defend his actions any more than I would defend the criminal's actions.

I was just pointing out how these sorts of threads quickly come to be dominated by the highly vocal cops-are-always-right crowd, who like to complain about how everyone else thinks cops are always wrong. I haven't looked at the evidence and I fully admit that I might be wrong in this case, but I was mainly commenting about these sorts of cases in general.

one less coked up chick on the streets cant be too sorry

I did not defend the actions of the criminal. Or does pointing out that someone shouldn't have been maimed count as defending their actions?

Yes, you did. Was it the policeman's fault the criminal ran, was tased according to policies, and accidentally fell and hurt themselves? According to you, the 'criminally incompetent cop' is at fault.

You attached no responsibility to the criminal, and by definition and by your own words, placed all blame on the Cop. You. Defended. The Criminal.

If that *isn't* your intent, you need to clarify that.

If you think that a criminal accidenally hurting themselves is less bad than an innocent person hurting themselves, then I disagree in the strongest possible terms.

That wasn't the issue. A person accidentally hurting themselves isn't 'criminal incompetence' on the part of the police, though. YOU used the term, and rather obviously meant to paint the police officer as the offender for an *accident*.

You are right, I don't care much about this police officer. Pretty much because he's still got a working brain. I don't wish any harm upon him, but I wouldn't defend his actions any more than I would defend the criminal's actions.

Really? You have not said one word about the criminal- BUT you have labeled the police officer as 'criminally incompetent'.

'Criminal' = Guilty of a Crime. You have labeled the officer as being the perpetrator of a Crime.

And, by common sense, if you *blame* the Cop...you are *defending* the criminal who got hurt, because (though you haven't really explained how) the Cop shoulda coulda woulda done 'something' and the criminal 'wouldn't have gotten hurt'. Somehow.

I was just pointing out how these sorts of threads quickly come to be dominated by the highly vocal cops-are-always-right crowd, who like to complain about how everyone else thinks cops are always wrong. I haven't looked at the evidence and I fully admit that I might be wrong in this case, but I was mainly commenting about these sorts of cases in general.

And you are correct, in that there are as many 'police-are-always-right' people as there are 'police-are-always-wrong' people. The problem I had is that you have shown yourself by your comments, whether you intended or not, to be in the 'police-are-always-wrong' faction, and I have responded to that. If you don't intend to be taken that way, you should be more careful in your comments involving 'criminally incompetent'.

DarthSka:

Kopikatsu:

DarthSka:
"I know that I can't just jump on her. I'm three times her weight. If we go down, one, or both of us, is going to get hurt. The taser is the intermediate weapon of choice,"

Now, I don't know if that's what he really felt at the time, but I'm just going to go ahead and leave that explanation as justification. Hell, if he had tackled her while both of them were running and injured her, this discussion would simply be named "Cop Tackles Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state," instead, and everyone blasting the cop would be demanding to know why he didn't just use a taser.

Or fire a warning shot.

Her brain was full of cocaine, and she was heading for a busy road. In her altered mental state, she might not have responded to the shot. He had to stop her with with the option that had the least chance of hurting her. In this situation, the taser fit that bill. The fact that it did cause her harm was simply bad luck.

thaluikhain:

Kopikatsu:
Or fire a warning shot. Can't please some...most people. May as well not even bother to try.

Discharging a firearm randomly up in the air in a city is generally discouraged.

Also, if you are running from teh cops, and they start firing, RUN FASTER!

...wat. Seriously?

There is no such thing as a warning shot. If a police officer draws their firearm, it's with intent to use deadly force. Period. Under no other circumstances are they permitted to draw it.

My comment was a dig at all of the people who complain that there was no warning shot before the cops shot somebody. Those people are stupid.

Liquidacid23:

Fleischer:

I'm amazed I haven't seen other people note that Officer Cole handcuffed the women with her arms in the front. Huge fail there.

no..

http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2012/february/383311/Exclusive:-Trooper-defends-tasing-new-video-shows-suspect-out-of-handcuffs.html

he DID cuff her behind properly and she slipped them around (not very hard)...

She slipped one of the handcuffs off while she was in the cruiser. Later on, she put them back on.

I'm quoting from the linked article with Officer Cole's comment regarding the handcuff's location at the substation:

"They were in front of her, versus being behind her. So, at some point -- unbeknownst to me -- she moved them from rear to front," Cole says.

Office Cole is admitting that he was not properly monitoring Danielle Maudsley.

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