Cop Tasers Fleeing Handcuffed Girl, Head injuries put her in vegetative state

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cswurt:
Still better than shooting her with a gun.

Until they create a non-lethal weapon that stuns the target AND surrounds them in a fluffy foam so they don't bang their precious little bodies on the pavement when they go down, you're just going to have to accept these little accidents.

Unless US police officers routintely shoot handcuffed suspects running away in the back, that's something of a false dichotomy, isn't it?

If you break the law you deserve the punishment you're going to get, if instead of running she had manned up and faced the consequences for her crime she wouldn't of been injured, and if she had not broken the law in the first place the whole situation could of been avoided.

Phisi:
Charges doesn't mean a conviction. Police can charge anyone for anything if they think they have the evidence. How can you not feel sorry for someone who is seriously injured? Justice does not mean revenge.

Resisting arrest? Running away from the police station? I'm pretty sure they had all the evidence they needed for those.

And excuse me for repeating myself but: running away from the police station. Under what circumstances is that OK? Seriously, how often are innocent people charged with imaginary stuff and they decide to take justice in their own hands (or legs) and bail out?

While it's unfortunate that she became injured, there's always consequences for what you do.
She became a drug addict, she caused two hit and runs(possibly injuring innocent people), and ran from the law.

She did everything wrong and she got herself in this position.

No human deserves to suffer pain, but her actions had...unfortunate consequences.

thaluikhain:

cswurt:
Still better than shooting her with a gun.

Until they create a non-lethal weapon that stuns the target AND surrounds them in a fluffy foam so they don't bang their precious little bodies on the pavement when they go down, you're just going to have to accept these little accidents.

Unless US police officers routintely shoot handcuffed suspects running away in the back, that's something of a false dichotomy, isn't it?

Yes. Poor, innocent girl.
I'm sure she didn't deserve to be in those cuffs either, right?
I'm sure if you just sat down with her and gently explained the error of her ways while offering her cookies and milk, she'd resolve to change her ways and there'd be no need for the police.

That's what tasers are for, of course. For incapacitating someone without the need of blowing a hole through their back.
If someone is resisting arrest and they're up close, mace 'em or restrain 'em.
If someone is resisting arrest and they're getting away, why risk a foot chase when you can taze 'em?
It's her own fault. If she hadn't run, she wouldn't have been tazed.
If she hadn't broken the law, she wouldn't have been arrested. If she hadn't been arrested, she wouldn't have felt compelled to run. If she hadn't run, she wouldn't have been tazed.
Her fault.

Thyunda:

psijac:

The cop could not have foreseen the extent of injures a taser caused the girl. A cook serves peanuts to a diner who is allergic but the diner never informed the cook. Is the cook now a sadistic murderer?

She was involved in two crash crashes where she fled the scene of the accident, with out exchanging insurance information or even stopping to check if the other parties had any injures. She was also high on drugs. How many warning do you give this person? What happens if she got into another car and killed someone? I guess we have to forgive her and let her off with another warning cause at the end of the day she is still a person

He knew full well that the taser would take her down. That's why he used it. And she couldn't use her arms to break the fall, so how exactly is he excused for not realising this?

It wasn't a choice between 'tase' and 'let go'. It was a choice between 'shoot', 'tase', or 'capture'. He chose tase 'cause he's a fat bastard.

And anybody who says that she deserved it for being stupid...well. I thought we had come past that.

To be more precise, the officer's choices were shoot, taser, and TACKLE. As you have pointed out, the officer is overweight meaning a tackle would have sent the woman to the ground with the combined force of her weight and his, which would have increased the chance of injury.

Oh and if you watch any video of someone being tased to the ground, they can't break the fall because the electricity makes intentional muscle movements impossible. Now consider how many people have been knocked down by the use of a taser, how many have severe injuries? The officer had no reason to believe the woman would be harmed beyond the pain of the taser and some scrapes and bruises from the fall.

As for whether she deserved it, I think she didn't but I can see why others would: She broke the law by doing 2 hit-and-runs without a license and then when she was caught, she ran. Let us break that down:
1st chance- She gave this up by getting into a car accident and running.
2nd chance- Gave this one up by getting into a second accident and running.
3rd chance- Lost this one by running after being caught.

I wish she hadn't died, but I do not blame the officer for either his actions or their outcome.

I can't decide really. On one hand, the taser was completely unnecessary. On the other, the girl shouldn't have run, and it's not like the cop really did anything bad per se. He caught her, and he couldn't have really expected her to get put in a vegetative state from it. I think I'll side with the cop, however, he does need to lose some weight, and learn that having a weapon does not excuse you from being lazy. Hopefully, this incident has taught him that, if he isn't fired anyways. I feel sorry for the girl, who made a couple bad decisions, then got put into the vegetative state unnecessarily.

cswurt:
That's what tasers are for, of course. For incapacitating someone without the need of blowing a hole through their back.

Yes, tasers are used as an alternative to shooting people.

No, you don't shoot people for running away.

Tasers are weapons. They are less lethal weapons, but weapons none the less. You are absolutely not supposed to use them in any way other than as weapons. You are absolutely not supposed to use weapons on people who aren't posing a threat, such as when they are handcuffed and running away.

Charge her with resisting/evading arrest or whatever, fine. But weapons aren't to be used unless absolutely necessary.

People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

I feel there is a perfect idiom that fits this whole situation perfectly "you reap what you sow"

I also fail to see the source of controversy that this thread seems to have gained, personaly i have no sympathy for anyone who intentionaly breaks the law, as far as i am concerned the only person at fault is the girl, what happened to her is hardly fitting for the crimes she would have been convicted for but even so i can't help but think there is some poetic justice in all of this.

So its abit tragic and perhaps the police could have handeled the situation better, perhaps the cop is abit overweight or even unfit for duty, but im not the one to be the judge of that and i dont think anyone posting in this thread should be either.

At the end of the day the cop was doing his job and the girl was a criminal, she clearly had no intention of repenting for the crimes as evidenced by the fact she ran, as i said earlier its hardly fitting that she's now brain-dead, some would consider what happened to her to be worse than a prison sentence i certainly do but i dont think the cop is to blame in anyway, i seriously doubt there was anyway he could have predicted what would have happened, even if he had chosen to tackle the girl rather than tase her, there is no guarantee it would have turned out any differently.

Yes that was a bit overkill by the policeman, but it was her own fault for firstly, doing whatever got her handcuffed and in trouble with the police, and secondly for being stupid enough to run after being handcuffed. She did it to herself, the scum does not deserve any pity.

Mortai Gravesend:
People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

Not so much petty vengeance as it is justice.

Even if she ran off... the cop could have just walked over to a car, and casually cruised alongside her, waited for her loony self to run out of puff / give in.

Failing that he could have just said "HALT OR I'LL SHOOT" without actually drawing his weapon as she is a stupid messed up druggie and wouldn't know any better.

Let's say she ran off 100m... she's still handcuffed. Pretty sure she'd get caught in less than 2 minutes.

I think she is an idiot.
But I think the officer used unneccesary force.
If she wasn't handcuffed I would be more inclined to side with the cop.

Trucken:
I definitely think it's a tragedy that she ended up like this. So young, such a waste. I also believe that the tazer was overkill, from the looks of the video he could've easily grabbed her. But damn it, none of this would've happened if she didn't try to escape. It was over, she was cuffed, why on earth did she even try to escape?

Sad story.

this is where this argument should have ended. I can't add much more to what Trucken said but i will say that in MY opinion, everyone involved (the officer who tased the young girl, the girl, the other officers in the station,and pretty much the people who made this legal) are to blame.

SlaveNumber23:

Mortai Gravesend:
People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

Not so much petty vengeance as it is justice.

There's no justice about it. Nothing calls for her life to be ruined except for petty vengeance. People just have an irrational blood lust that they like to pretend is justice, when the only thing calling for it is their desire for vengeance.

Mortai Gravesend:
People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

Well, at least she wont have children and screw them up as well.

Looks more like fate didnt want her to make it through the day. "Ok she did a ton of drugs, did she OD? Nope darn. Ok heres a car, damn that one didn't get her, heres a second. Darn it she missed that one too! Ah I know Il introduce her to mr pavement! There we go."

And its not petty vengeance, it is just the folks shrugging when someone does something pants on head retarded and gets exactly what they had been asking for.

Hell, I have no doubt that this retarded criminal would have bolted right onto that highway that was a few feet from the substation and been hit by a car/truck/what have you that was going 70 miles an hour and been killed anyway.

FelixG:

Mortai Gravesend:
People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

Well, at least she wont have children and screw them up as well.

Looks more like fate didnt want her to make it through the day. "Ok she did a ton of drugs, did she OD? Nope darn. Ok heres a car, damn that one didn't get her, heres a second. Darn it she missed that one too! Ah I know Il introduce her to mr pavement! There we go."

And its not petty vengeance, it is just the folks shrugging when someone does something pants on head retarded and gets exactly what they had been asking for.

Hell, I have no doubt that this retarded criminal would have bolted right onto that highway that was a few feet from the substation and been hit by a car/truck/what have you that was going 70 miles an hour and been killed anyway.

Yes, saying she deserved it isn't petty vengeance. Oh wait, sorry it is. Do try to make an actual argument on how she deserves it is just the equivalent of shrugging.

Mortai Gravesend:
People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

She didn't deserve it, she EARNED it. She woke up in the morning and said, "You know what's great? Cocaine AND Oxycontin both at the same time. I love driving but getting a license is for morons, who don't have drugs to buy. Bumper cars is much better with a V8, people get so pissy when I hit them with a car and leave." She worked very hard making only the poorest possible decisions that day. I think she might even be wearing crocs.

She didn't deserve her supposed brain damage but she did deserved to get tazed

Dumb girl tried to run away from police. i guess she didn't need her brain anyway, so good result all around.

psijac:

Mortai Gravesend:
People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

She didn't deserve it, she EARNED it. She woke up in the morning and said, "You know what's great? Cocaine AND Oxycontin both at the same time. I love driving but getting a license is for morons, who don't have drugs to buy. Bumper cars is much better with a V8, people get so pissy when I hit them with a car and leave." She worked very hard making only the poorest possible decisions that day. I think she might even be wearing crocs.

She didn't deserve her supposed brain damage but she did deserved to get tazed

I was only talking about the brain damage part. Tazing seems like it may have been justified since she was running at the highway and had already proven reckless.

from what I've seen and read about this now she had it coming. I feel a little bad she's in a coma from which she probably won't awaken but if she was stupid enough to run after already being arrested then c'est la vie.

Shit happens.
I pity the cop as much as the lady.

That was justified, She ran from a cop, he tasered her to stop her. Having your hands cuffed together, doesn't slow your feet down so it's not 100% he's gonna catch her, and they haven't put lowjack in handcuffs yet to locate her if she did get away.

It was the most non-lethal action he had and it sucks that worst case scenario happened but hell long shots happened.

I'll go along and say it's the best thing he could have done, If you looked at the video she was running into the street, this video could just as likely be " handcuffed girl runs from cop and gets hit by mac truck" or "runs and causes cars to swerve and crash killing X" "handcuffed girl gets away and kills whoever" If you want to list things worse that have that same 1 in 1000000 chance of happening.

evilneko:
Okay this makes it even worse for the cop: http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2012/february/383311/Exclusive:-Trooper-defends-tasing-new-video-shows-suspect-out-of-handcuffs

In the new video, Maudsley is seen in the back of Cole's cruiser after being arrested, managing to get her right hand free from handcuffs and eventually playing with her hair. At one point, it appears she tries to open the cruiser's door, but can't.

As Cole pulls into the Pinellas Park FHP Substation, Maudsley works to slip the handcuff back on, but it's too late.

"I took this off," Maudsley tells Cole.

"Put it back on," he told her.

Cole puts the handcuff back on Muadsley's wrist and escorts her into the substation.

Forty minutes later, video shows Maudsley running from the substation before she is tased with her hands cuffed in front of her and slams down to the parking lot ground.

This didn't happen at the scene of a crime, it happened at a police station! Y'know, the kind of place where there are other cops around to help out.

"I know that I can't just jump on her. I'm three times her weight. If we go down, one, or both of us, is going to get hurt. The taser is the intermediate weapon of choice," he says.

Well, there is that, but....

The investigator asks Cole if he considered Maudsley falling and injuring herself if he tased her.

"No."

Idiot.

wow just wow.

first of all she would have to have switched her cuffs a second time while in the station since he said he didn't cuff her from the front. so she was removing her cuffs at will.

he said he didn't want to tackle her because of his weight as in HE MIGHT CRUSH HER. that doesn't make him an idiot he just didn't think that her falling on her own with out a fat man in top of her was going to cause brain damage. the fact that he was LOOKING OUT FOR HER SAFETY BY NOT CRUSHING HER WITH OVER DOUBLE HER BODY WEIGHT is pretty clear in this article it doesn't make him look worse.

Sure this is a terrible thing to have happened. But one really easy way of avoiding such crap is not to try to run from the police. I have no sympathy for criminals, and they would have none for me or any of us. As evidenced by the way they, you know, rob us, beat us, run us over drunk because they didn't want to call a cab.

That said, It would be nice if the authorities would stop treating tazers as some kind of magical always non lethal solution to everything weapon.

Her fault for running away, unfortunate how it ended, but, well, nobody to blame but yourself for running away.

Same event could have happened if he tackled her, infact, that's more likely to cause injury here.

Mortai Gravesend:
People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

How dare someone have to answer for their actions. People shouldn't have to be responsible for themselves. That's just silly.

Very few people in here are saying she "deserves" to be in a coma. Mostly, people are saying that running away from the cop is a stupid thing to do, and any consequences that come from that are not tragic because you're bringing them on yourself.

Freezy_Breezy:

Mortai Gravesend:
People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

How dare someone have to answer for their actions. People shouldn't have to be responsible for themselves. That's just silly.

How dare someone let reading a post properly get in the way of their idiotic outrage. I never said anything about responsibility. Which you apparently lack. Like the responsibility to make a fucking reasonable reply or read a post.

Very few people in here are saying she "deserves" to be in a coma. Mostly, people are saying that running away from the cop is a stupid thing to do, and any consequences that come from that are not tragic because you're bringing them on yourself.

And some people did. I was addressing them. Do I get a Nobel prize for that apparently elusive concept?

As per usual, Blablahb is in here doing as much as he damn well can to raise a stink using ridiculous hyperbole, lack of perspective and awe-inspiring stubbornness. Gee, how unexpected.

OT: Yay. Another cop story. It's even less shocking and infuriating than the others. A girl fell and hit her head, a cop, taser and drugs just happen to be involved. Can we report on anything else now?

Mortai Gravesend:
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This post is just dripping with maturity. If only I could be as reasonable and level-headed as you.

lacktheknack:
As per usual, Blablahb is in here doing as much as he damn well can to raise a stink using ridiculous hyperbole, lack of perspective and awe-inspiring stubbornness. Gee, how unexpected.

I like you. You're awesome.

(Not sarcastic)

Freezy_Breezy:
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You really ought to just admit the fact you were wrong. I said nothing of responsibility, and I was addressing the people who said she deserved it, so it was completely idiotic to act as if I did otherwise.

Simple... introduce footcuffs.

Mortai Gravesend:
People are being absolutely ridiculous in claiming she deserved it. No, being in a coma for maybe the rest of your life is not something anyone deserves. What is it with people and petty vengeance? Is it really that hard to try and be better than that?

I completely agree. It's stuff like this that makes me believe that the goodness of the humans spirit is nothing but a load of hogwash.

Mortai Gravesend:
You really ought to just admit the fact you were wrong. I said nothing of responsibility, and I was addressing the people who said she deserved it, so it was completely idiotic to act as if I did otherwise.

Every time you respond, you manage to do something worse. "Apparent trolling" indeed, should I remind you that calling someone a troll for disagreeing with you is against the forum rules and code of conduct, in addition to making you sound like a shallow 12 year old?

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