Will there be an Atheist, Female, or Homosexual President in our lifetime?

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Female president will definitely come first an and a homosexual president won't be able to happen until and atheist president is in power.

the time it will take?
Female president: 5-10 years
Atheist president: 30-40
Homosexual president: 60-80

If the idea of the bible is somehow irrifutably proven wrong there won't be a gay president coming soon.

I would like to see how an atheist president does in his/her term in office.

Regnes:
Well you guys elected a black man roughly 50 years after the climax of the civil rights movement. Homosexuals, atheists and women were never victims as much as black people, so it's entirely possible.

We've had atheists and women in the top position in several big name countries. Hell, Margaret Thatcher is often considered one of the greatest prime ministers ever.

Weirdly enough the voters that'd consider her a great prime minister are also the voters who'd typically be most against atheist, non-white or homosexual leaders. Strange how the world works huh...

Read today that about 33% of Americans would not vote for a homosexual president. That number is obviously significantly lower then it used to be and still dropping.

Certainly a female President. Absolutely not a homosexual President unless he/she hides it. As for Atheist... well, you see how much trouble Romney's having with being Mormon? Unless perceptions change in the U.S. dramatically, it may not happen in our liftime.

Female one? Sure...hilary clinton already was.
Atheist? Probably, the current one and the previous 3 acted like a bunch of damn heathens.
Homosexual one? only if we somehow brought freddie mercury back from the dead and made a loophole that since he was risen on American soil he is naturalized, then....yeah...id vote for him.

but in reality...not an openly gay one.

and if he is, probably not the flaming ones that cause the stereotype that real normal gay people groan at....you know, 99% of the ones ever put on tv.

or neil patrick harris.

a mutant cyborg inter-racial omnisexual prez in thailand in 1000 years, but only after the royals exile themselves.

oh and he/she/it would still be labelled a "conservative" by western standards.

While there's no easy way to give an absolute answer to this question, there's a very easy way to give a relative one: look at current elected officials.

The first of those we will have is a female President. While not yet at statistically balanced levels, of the three groups in question women are by far the best represented.

Next one will be a homosexual. There are hundreds of openly homosexual people serving in elected offices, including several in Congress.

The last will be an Atheist. According to one source, in 2007, there were 5 avowed Atheists serving elected office in the entire country (compare to over a hundred homosexuals winning offices in 2010.) From the view of the internet and from college campuses, atheism may not be seen as very despised or ostracised, from the view of the country at large being an atheist is still a badge of shame.

I will almost definitely live to see a woman serve as POTUS. I might live to see a homosexual do so. I will not live to see an atheist, barring a radical shift in American culture.

Rule Britannia:
Female president will definitely come first an and a homosexual president won't be able to happen until and atheist president is in power.

the time it will take?
Female president: 5-10 years
Atheist president: 30-40
Homosexual president: 60-80

If the idea of the bible is somehow irrifutably proven wrong there won't be a gay president coming soon.

I would like to see how an atheist president does in his/her term in office.

depends on his party affiliation i guess, i see an atheist who is conservative getting the vote easier than a liberal one. Mostly due to that conservative are pro religion, even if they dont agree with it.

bahumat42:

see i think homosexuality is more accepted in america than athiesm. At least in the way i have been treated out there.

There are places where nobody will give a damn if you're killed for being gay in the US.

I'm not sure there's really any notion of "acceptance" in America for either.

Pretty sure neither are very likely, so the semantics of which we're more likely to elect is pretty small compared to the snowball's chance in hell of either being elected any time soon.

On that note, and on the topic at hand, I think a woman has had a decent shot. I'm not a fan of Hillary Clinton or Caribou Barbie, but they both had legitimate and solid followings. Palin might have been a sinch for the nod this time, if not for the fact that it would grossly reduce her salary.

Now, I mean, nothing's certain. It could be we see a gay President before a woman, but I'd put a woman in my lifetime as statistically likely, a homosexual or atheist as unlikely.

We've has, as far as I know, identical numbers of (openly) gay and atheist congressmen in our legislative branch. And that number's about to go down to a total of 0 active members for both.

Until we see the number of either rise in the House and Senate, we won't see one at the Presidential level. There have been a ton of blacks and women at every level (save Presidency), so it's not a complete surprise that Obama became President, or that the big two on the Democratic ticket were him and Clinton. Even then, we've still got like 10% of the country willingly to openly admit they would not vote for a black person.

Jegsimmons:

depends on his party affiliation i guess, i see an atheist who is conservative getting the vote easier than a liberal one. Mostly due to that conservative are pro religion, even if they dont agree with it.

A conservative atheist will never make it through the vetting process, though.

Zachary Amaranth:

Jegsimmons:

depends on his party affiliation i guess, i see an atheist who is conservative getting the vote easier than a liberal one. Mostly due to that conservative are pro religion, even if they dont agree with it.

A conservative atheist will never make it through the vetting process, though.

nah, he'd just have to play his cards right, its totally possible, conservatives dont hate atheist....just the dawkinologist.

Pimppeter2:
Female one in the next 10-15 years
Atheist in the next 50-60

Probably wont be a homosexual one in my lifetime.

Female one <25 years imo, but I doubt a homosexual president will happen within 50 years.
Atheist president in the states? I seriously doubt it. Religion is a BIG deal in the states.

bahumat42:
see i think homosexuality is more accepted in america than athiesm. At least in the way i have been treated out there.

Here in the Uk we have already had a woman prime minister and possibly an athiest one (i dont know the full religous history of my countries rulership).

As for homosexual prime minister, i dont know, its not that i couldn't see people getting behind one, its just most that i have met have little to no interest in politics (in a serious enough of a degree for even local elections)

I gotta agree, most homosexuals I know of would rather get after the politicians rather than be a politician themselves.

I don't know about exact years, but I would say female would be first. White, Protestant female, but female none the less. However, I would say a homosexual is more likely to become elected than an atheist. The President is basically expected to say such things as "God bless America" and attend church every Sunday. An atheist wouldn't do either or those things and I think that would seriously hinder his or her chances.

Devil's Due:
**snip**

You know, this is actually a very interesting question you've asked.

First, let me say, it reminded me of the last two seasons of the West Wing. In the last two seasons, the Presidential race is between:

An Atheist Republican vs a Hispanic Democrat.

Yes, that's right, an Atheist Republican. He ends up with a bible-thumping running mate to help ease Republican fears about his "godlessness."

Anyway, I think Palin and Hilary have proven that a woman President isn't far off. As far as a Hispanic President, I think we would probably handle that. The main issue is having a Hispanic politician with enough popularity to make the bid. Certainly possible - I had no idea who Obama was until the election - but I don't follow politics enough to know for sure.

Actually, I think a homosexual President isn't too far off either. One thing I've seen as a teacher - most people 19 years and younger are extremely open-minded about gay people. I've taught bible-thumping fundies who not only have no problem with gay marriage, but have argued passionately for legalizing it nationwide. As today's teens become voters, I think we're going to see a huge shift towards a more gay-friendly nation.

Getting a little off-topic here. Anyway.

As far as an Atheist President goes, I think it depends on the kind of atheist. If we're talking someone who just doesn't follow any religion, then I think that could happen soon - particularly if it's handled like it was in the West Wing. If you mean an aggressive Atheist... I think it will be longer.

Not as long as it will take for a Pagan President. **sigh** That will take a long time.

A female within 20 years. Especially since you can see both sides pushing a female on us so we dont have a choice.

Athiest within maybe 50. We are getting further away from religion so a couple more generations for the old ones to die off and it wont be a issue.

Homosexual, looooooooooong time. Not in our life times for sure. Maybe a lesbian but not a gay man.

Devil's Due:

How long do you believe it will take before we have...

1) A female president

Probably within 12-16 years, would be my guess, as long as more Hillary Clintons emerge and fewer (MUCH fewer) Bachmann's try to play the game.

Hillary Clinton was a very viable candidate for President regardless of gender, and as generations X, Millenials, and post-Millenials start controlling the vote (assuming we're not crushed under the weight of the Baby Boomers first), they'll be some pretty drastic shifts in politics.

2) An Atheist president

Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... ha ha ha ha.. ha ha... ha...

A religious leader has ruled the world in some form or another for the entirety of recorded history. Even if the leader hasn't been "chosen" or "special" in any way, they at least observed the most mainstream religion of their followers.

It would be the holy grail, though, so to speak. An Atheist President would have a much more objective view, assuming their beliefs weren't "everybody who believes in God is an idiot."

I would love to see it happen (I'm an Atheist myself), but it won't. Probably not until people truly start accepting science as the defacto way to describe the Universe, and not a very large book. The aforementioned death of the Baby Boomers will help somewhat, but ignorance is a hard thing to kill off when you can't actually kill it off.

3) A homosexual president

I'd say it's possible to have one within the next 50 years. Homosexuality is tolerated a lot more than atheism in the country, partly because you can still be homosexual and go to church. Well, that and homosexuality is a lot less threatening than atheism. If you're deeply religious homosexuality becomes a ticket to Hell - and since the vast, vast, VAST, majority of homosexuals are pretty non-violent, you can simply let them do their thing and reap Heaven's rewards for being straight.

Atheism, though, oh that's beyond a ticket to Hell - it's a challenge to your subjective construction of how the Universe operates. People have a lot of internal psychological crisis when they don't have an afterlife to look forward to, or get told that their actions are pretty much their exclusive responsibility. Reality caves in on itself for the weak-minded.

Again, contrast that with a person who "chooses" to be homosexual against God's Will - implying the Universe operates perfectly according to a deity's desires.

4) You name other accomplishments and how long it'll take. (Other races, beliefs, you name it)

Muslim President - It's either going to be within the next 50, or over 150; depending on how much ultra-Conservative bullshit my generation and Gen X can buck.

Hispanic President - 75 years, probably about the time the Latino population in the United States has completely ingrained itself in American Culture and stuck-up pricks stop getting their panties in a wad that people are willing to cross the border illegally just because drug lords are murdering people by the thousands in their home town.

World President (or equivalent) - 300 years. It's going to happen, it's just a matter of when. As technology brings every country on the planet into communication with each other within a few minutes, and the population increasing, eventually dwindling resources will result in massive wars, the deaths of billions, and finally a global government.

Pimppeter2:
Female one in the next 10-15 years
Atheist in the next 50-60

Probably wont be a homosexual one in my lifetime.

I agree, but I think the atheist will come in about 25-30 years. Homosexuals, while becoming more culturally accepted, are still not accepted on a wide enough scale to make it into the Presidency for quite a while. I guess it all just takes time.

there will be a homo presedent long befor an atheist presedent, which is sad considering an atheist president is what america needs more then anything

Jegsimmons:
nah, he'd just have to play his cards right, its totally possible, conservatives dont hate atheist....just the dawkinologist.

What?

Wait

What!?

Ok, this is the conservative Wikipedia
http://conservapedia.com/Athiesm

Tell me that the WHOLE wiki page isn't anti-athiesm?

It has connections from Atheism and Communism, Atheism and mass murder, Atheism and immoral views, Atheism, pederasty and NAMBLA, Atheism and bestiality, Atheism and rape, Atheism and evolutionary racism

SERIOUSLY.
"Atheism offers no condemnation of rape and it provides no moral basis a society to attempt to prevent and deter rape."

"Although there are recent studies relating to atheism being a causal factor for suicide for some individuals"

If you believe that Conservatives have a higher chance of electing a atheist than a liberal party. You MUST be kidding yourself. Everyone, just go read how much RIDICULOUS propaganda that site has, and then compare it to wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Female? Yeah I definetly see that happening within the next decade or so. Just need a competent candiate.

Atheist? It'll happen within my lifetime, but that's still a loooooong ways off. Several decades at the earliest.

Homosexual? Father off than the atheist, but one day I'm sure it'll happen.

Female - 10 - 20 years.
Atheist - 20 - 25 years.
Homosexual - 15 - 30 years.

Atheism is VERY hated by Christians over here. Homsexuality definitely made more progress on being less hated.

hmmm

probably see a female pres first, 10-20 years at most i think

a 'gay' commander in chief? hmm, 15-25 is my un-educated guess

atheist? .... which the US's hang up on the 'bible' even in non cristians, i donno, that on could be a ways out, but as a ball park ... 30 years, min

girzwald:
The bias in this post is staggering. But getting past that.

The fact that you see it an "accomplishment" that an "African American" was elected president shows that it was not an accomplishment.

Whys that? The fact that we are calling him an "African American" and pointing that out is what makes it not an accomplishment. It proves we have NOT gotten past race. And we never will if this shit keeps up. You can go ahead and think it was an "accomplishment" but all I see him is was the affirmative action president. The token black president. Put aside whether or not you think he was qualified, put aside whether or not you think he is doing a good job and keeping his promises. What happened any time anyone criticized him during the campaign? Or even to this day. What is it labeled? Racism. And if you think that isn't true...than you are an ignoramus. And if you think its true, because that what it always is or mostly was, then you are an even bigger ignoramus. And the talks of race and racism are already starting.

Obama got something well over 90% of the black vote. And how many Samuel L Jacksons (who voted for obama simply cause he was black) were there? Id wager a ton.

And how many whites and other were browbeaten or guilt tripped into voting for him because he was black? Again, id wager a lot.

So no. Not an accomplishment. Till race is a non factor, at all. We are not past racism and its not an accomplishment. Until the day we don't see it as an "accomplishment", will it be an accomplishment.

Also. Why are having a gay, atheist and female presidents "accomplishments". So, until we have an atheist president in a majority religious nation.....we are incomplete? Pure stupidity. If people are supposed to be be people and everyone is supposed to be equal, then stop separating people into groups.

I just wanted to second this guy. Once nobody gives a shit, we'll have gotten past racism/sexism/homophobia as a country.

Pimppeter2:
Female one in the next 10-15 years
Atheist in the next 50-60

Probably wont be a homosexual one in my lifetime.

Almost exactly my thoughts, but I'd approximate a 50% chance of an openly homosexual president in my lifetime. (I plan to live for at least another hundred years)

Heh, our last president was a 1) woman who 2) did not belong to a religious group and 3) had served as chairman of a gay and lesbian rights movement. Admittedly she has not identified herself as an atheist or a homosexual. Also in the last year's election the runner up candidate with 37,4 % of the popular vote identifies himself as homosexual.

For America though, it's a bit different. 1) I don't see there to be any obstacles for a woman to become president in the US. A great candidate would win no matter his sex. 3) Sexual orientation would still prevent candidate from becoming a president, but not likely in 8 years.

2) I don't see any chance for an atheist president with your educational system and the political two party system you have in place. A lot can happen but currently there is nothing to indicate the American people would ever be all right with an atheist president.

4) Hispanic: 50 years is probably enough.

5) Muslim: never. Islam would have to fundamentally change or the countries that the US has issues with (Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, Pakistan, etc) would have to become very, very different from what they are today for that to ever happen in the US.

Woman, yes more than likely.

Homosexual...possibly. We're in a long overdue cultural shift at the moment where a significant potion of folks are still uneasy about sharing the same rights they enjoy with the homosexual community and a growing number of others are starting to take a positive to indifferent attitude towards the issue.

Athiest: This is a touchier subject than I care to get into at the moment.
I'll leave it at this.

I don't trust that we as a nation are willing to do so.

bahumat42:

Pimppeter2:
Female one in the next 10-15 years
Atheist in the next 50-60

Probably wont be a homosexual one in my lifetime.

see i think homosexuality is more accepted in america than athiesm. At least in the way i have been treated out there.

Here in the Uk we have already had a woman prime minister and possibly an athiest one (i dont know the full religous history of my countries rulership).

As for homosexual prime minister, i dont know, its not that i couldn't see people getting behind one, its just most that i have met have little to no interest in politics (in a serious enough of a degree for even local elections)

There is one thing Ultra-conservative right wing Christians hate more than liberals and athiests: Homosexuals. They hate them with a passion (for the same reasons as with prejudiced hate in general). So unless we can shut up the ignorant part of the US, we arn't going to have one any time soon.

I won't make a prediction as to future presidents, but I will say that out of the three I would vote for a women or a homosexual if I agreed with their politics.

You also have to consider what percentage they make up of the population. A female president in the next several terms. Then an atheist one probably in my life time because it's quite easy for atheists to become a major part of the population and a gay one last because people who are gay make up a small part of the population. Just running on the chance of the president falling into those groups regardless on voter bias. Voter bias I think will be similar. As the religious intolerant (they are not all intolerant) shrinks along with the rise of secularism. I think this is what will follow. It is kinda depressing when you realise that people vote according to these things :/

As my US Government teacher always says, "If you are running for president, and are atheist, change it. The general public hates atheists more than anything." Hell, I'm an atheist, and even I feel a twinge of distaste for other atheists,

Australia has already had a female and atheist prime minister. I doubt the sexuality of the leader of a party would be of much significance since Australian politics downplay the importance of the leader in comparison to the USA, in addition to the fact that it really isn't that big of a deal here except for a small minority.

James Buchanan was gay! (At least according to Andrew Jackson. No word on whether Andrew Jackson was a douche according to James Buchanan.)

Female: It's only a matter of time. Within the next 20 years, even.

Atheist: More around 40-50 years when most of the ultra-religious older voter-base have died.

Homosexual: Less likely, mostly because of the stigma and because there just aren't very many gays in politics compared to heterosexuals.

Ordinaryundone:

I'd be surprised if we ever saw a SINGLE (non-married) President, regardless of sexual orientation.

Oh, this is another thing I've wondered about. Why does the president, governor, etc, always need to have a "First lady"(or "first man" if a female gets elected)? Wouldn't a person in charge of an entire country be a bit better off if they didn't have to worry about a wife or family?

I'm pretty sure this is only because of the whole "family values" shit that gets the vote.

Devil's Due:

1) A female president

Within the next 20 years, being a woman doesn't seem like a barrier these days.

Devil's Due:

2) An Atheist president

Between 150 and 300 years.

Devil's Due:

3) A homosexual president

Between 100 and 200 years, provided he is a strongly religious person.

Devil's Due:

4) You name others and how long it'll take. (Other races, beliefs, you name it)

Latino president I would guess between 40 and 80 years.

Female: Next 10-15 years

Atheist: Anytime really, nobody says that a presidential candidate has to reveal their religion... or be honest about it. We could have already had one and not know it.

Homosexual: Possibly when the hyper-religious baby boomers from the 50's and 60's and their immediate offspring have died out.

Islamic: The USA will collapse before they do this.*

*: Not being racist, simply pointing out the sheer stupidity that a large portion of Americans show when Islam is brought up anywhere.

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