Buying my first gun.

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Not much of a gun expert, most of my experience has been hunting squirrels and game bird with a air rifle and plinking with a 22. Took a shot with an actual rifle when I was 18 and had taken all the requisite stuff to legally do so, have no clue what the caliber was but damn did my shoulder ache afterwards. I have absolutely no experience with handguns aside from how to safely handle and unload them and what my uncle (new york police officer) has told me about them.

Hal10k:
Potato gun.

There is simply no substitute.

This, cheap to make and fun to fire. Thinking about making one and bringing it up to my grandfathers land seeing as it is just endless woods. The old guys would get a hoot out of that.

Be a man and buy a Musket, not the wussy guns of today.

I support this

Tazzy da Devil:
Get a water gun, the only type of gun worth getting. Seriously, why on Earth do you want a gun?

and this persons gun suggestions.

Hal10k:

DeadSp8s:
Which is easiest to shoot while driving drunk? I want that one.

Again: Potato gun. I cannot emphasize this enough. They're like mortars for spuds!

I really don't see the point in buying a gun if you have no other reason than it being there. Especially as swords are much better.

What do I think about it, well it's a perfectly acceptable hobby but I prefer bow and arrow Which I don't practice because I was so bad at it that the instructor suggested I'd just quit trying X_X why can't I do well at any sport?), regardless have fun but be responsible, those things are very dangerous after all.

Do I own any guns? Nope, I have enough problems as it is with people thinking I'm a criminal if I had a gun I'd probably get arrested by neighbour, though to tell the truth I don't really like guns at all but that's mostly because I've been caught in the middle of shoot-outs and seeing what they can do to a person it's not what I'd call pleasant.

Somehow, I knew this thread would turn into another "Don't buy gun, buy sword" argument from people who don't understand that shooting is a perfectly acceptable, enjoyable, and fun hobby.

Tazzy da Devil:
Get a water gun, the only type of gun worth getting. Seriously, why on Earth do you want a gun?

Get a bunch of friends around and add red dye to the canisters and then you can have a gun fight and nobody gets hurt :)

My favorites to this day are the H&K USP 9mm, which was the first gun I purchased. It's light the sights are possibly one of the best I've seen and it is a monster of a handgun, and the .50AE Desert Eagle, because... well... it's a .50AE Desert Eagle, I can't legally own one yet, but I plan to change that by year's end so I can finally buy a Mark XIX.

Haha, I don't own a gun but my grandpa got my grandma a light frame .22 revolver w/ built in laser sight for Christmas last year.
You know, so she can fuck up bitches who might try to mug her.

This may be it. It's about this size

Grant Hobba:
Hey guys,

I just got back from my holiday on Hamilton island, I got to have my first real go with a few different hand guns, a Glock 9mm, SW .38, SW.357 magnum and the fabled SW .44 Magnum.

I had an absolute ball and it has convinced me to purchase my first gun.

The laws are pretty stringent here (NSW Australia) so I am thinking either a CZ75 9mm, or a SW .38 special :)

what do you guys think?

do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

Well if you want to get a a pistol in Australia, (for Victoria, not sure about NSW) you have to attend at least 12 pistol shoots a year, if you want an easier way to shoot shit, go for a longarms (rifles) license, you still have to get a legal reasons for wanting one, like, hunting, you live on a farm and you need to control wild animals, target shooting. Not just, I want a gun because they are cool.

I think you should get a M1911 or Glock of somesort. For rifles, you can't beat a Lee Enfield No.1 Mk I or III :)

Hal10k:
Potato gun.

There is simply no substitute.

Garage railgun?

You could also make a 'plasma gun'. Not a plasma gun like Halo where it shoots plasma, but it briefly turns steel wool into plasma with a powerful electrical discharge, and the resultant explosion pushes a projectile in the same way gunpowder would. All you need is some PVC pipe, steel wool, a hand crank charger (or solar if you wanna pimp it out), and a couple capacitors from some disposable cameras (you might be able to get used ones from a convenience store that does photos- the Walgreen's where I live just let me have a box full of them). All in all it will cost you maybe $10-$20 (unsure what the conversion rate is for Australia). There are plans all over the internet.

It's legal where I live, but you might want to check the laws for your city.

Nile McMorrow:
I support this

Tazzy da Devil:
Get a water gun, the only type of gun worth getting. Seriously, why on Earth do you want a gun?

and this persons gun suggestions.

Hal10k:

DeadSp8s:
Which is easiest to shoot while driving drunk? I want that one.

Again: Potato gun. I cannot emphasize this enough. They're like mortars for spuds!

I really don't see the point in buying a gun if you have no other reason than it being there. Especially as swords are much better.

i see your sord and raise you a deudly firearm

ot- get something totally sweet looking. like, something you can run around your house yelling "badow badow badow!"

'cause that'd be the first thing i would do if i had a gun.

Get the SW .38 special. Revolvers are good sidearms for first time owners. They're very easy to clean, and they have fewer moving parts than a magazine loaded firearm; so this brings the jamming probability WAY down.

Mazza35:

Well if you want to get a a pistol in Australia, (for Victoria, not sure about NSW) you have to attend at least 12 pistol shoots a year, if you want an easier way to shoot shit, go for a longarms (rifles) license, you still have to get a legal reasons for wanting one, like, hunting, you live on a farm and you need to control wild animals, target shooting. Not just, I want a gun because they are cool.

That said getting a CAT A+B for hunting is quite easy, you just need to purchase a Registration of Interest to Hunt Pest Animals on Crown Land from the DSE, it's like $11.

need a license for a crossbow?

Grant Hobba:
do any of you own any firearms or even go shooting yourselves?

No - I live in the UK where guns are banned and gun crimes are barely a problem, except for hunters, police and at shooting ranges.

Once, a .88 bolt-action rifle -prone with iron sights- down a 100m range. Fired 20 shots, was great fun, hit the target 10 times and even managed to put a bullet through the same hole twice.

No , only during military service. I have fired a lot of times at target practice with a semi-automatc rifle G3A3 and also I have made several shots with the twin anti-aircraft cannon Rheinmetall. Guns are noisy, lethal and "manly"; they have their own charm, no doubt, but in my opinion one should stay away from real guns in their everyday life as much as possible. Anything can happen.

SmegInThePants:
need a license for a crossbow?

Yes, sort of, in NSW (and a lot of states) you can't hunt with a crossbow, you can possess a crossbow for sporting reasons, but need to apply for a exemption permit and store it in a safe. You can hunt with a bow without a license though.

Jegsimmons:

Tazzy da Devil:
Get a water gun, the only type of gun worth getting. Seriously, why on Earth do you want a gun?

hmmm, lets see, protection because every single country that has outlawed or heavily restricted guns has seen an increase in violent crime while US cities are shown to have less crime when gun bans are lifted?
or because its say....pfft....a fucking gun hobby?

You're kidding right?? Despite the fact that Australia has such stringent gun laws, we also have some of the lowest gun violence. Go figure.

The US on the other has some of the highest. Who'd a thunk it??

Lumber Barber:
Be a man and buy a Musket, not the wussy guns of today.

be man and buy an Uzi or any gun with a madly high recoil... and give it to 15 year old at a gun con in texas.

+1000 manballs points!!

Grant Hobba:

usmarine4160:
If you want 9mm I'd go with a Beretta 92F, kind of a longer barrel and the way the sights are positioned make it very accurate. It's a little heavy so the recoil is very manageable. Also the magazine holds 15 rounds so you have that working for you too. It's also very easy to take apart and clean.

I like the heavier feel but our by our laws we can't have a hand gun with a larger capacity than 10 rounds :(

we also can't have larger than a .38

doesn't that just make you appreciate just about every other countries gun laws just that bit more? :p

You can get clips restricted to whatever your local restrictions call for. You should probably take a close look at the barrel length laws in your area before ya start making choices. Usually with small length barrels you run into restriction laws. If your going to do mostly target shooting .22lr will keep things cheap. Even 9mm is fairly manageable. Jump out of that range and prices start to jump considerably. If your looking for a good value company look at Taurus.

Lumber Barber:
Be a man and buy a Musket, not the wussy guns of today.

That's not a bad suggestion, pre 1901 firearms don't require a license (though revolvers vary by state).

Not worth the money really. Real men use a pipe, spark plug and any flammable liquid to make a lemon cannon.

tsb247:

Tazzy da Devil:
Get a water gun, the only type of gun worth getting. Seriously, why on Earth do you want a gun?

Really? Am I sensing the, "Guns are evil," mentality here? It certainly seems that way.

nope, probably more the "if you have a gun, you can screw up even more!" mentality.
Because humans are not known for their good handling of responsibility and power. : D

so, don't buy one. there's nothing in life that really deserves bullets.
Including you, because having a gun makes other gun owners even more nervous.

EDIT:
also this:

Trippy Turtle:
Not worth the money really. Real men use a pipe, spark plug and any flammable liquid to make a lemon cannon.

I agree, get a real weapon, man, not some random gun ! D:

Grant Hobba:
-snip-

If you're looking at the CZ 75 you might also check out the CZ 82.

The CZ 82 will run you two hundred USD to the CZ 75's five hundred USD price tag. The round fired by the CZ 82 is a 9x18 makarov, compared to the 75's 9x19 parabellum.

The advantage: Makarov rounds are about 30 percent cheaper.
The disadvantage: Makarov rounds have a very slight disadvantage in power and accuracy.

If you are willing to spend a bit more, the P229 and the S&W M&P 9mm are both excellent firearms, I've used both and never had any issues with jamming or inaccuracy. They'll run you somewhere around seven hundred USD though, so if money is a bit tight go with a CZ.

II Scarecrow II:

You're kidding right?? Despite the fact that Australia has such stringent gun laws, we also have some of the lowest gun violence. Go figure.

The US on the other has some of the highest. Who'd a thunk it??

"There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there's no connection at all there."

- Bill Hicks

Jegsimmons:
Move to America and buy what ever guy you so please.

Okay, that's racist.

OT; People on this thread have probably far more valid recommendations, but I would like to point this one out, regardless of its functions, pros and cons, etc;

It's the Walther PPK; the same handgun that James Bond have practiced with in the majority of Ian Fleming's books and films. Stay classy, and wield the gun a spy would wield.

WolfThomas:

Lumber Barber:
Be a man and buy a Musket, not the wussy guns of today.

That's not a bad suggestion, pre 1901 firearms don't require a license (though revolvers vary by state).

Probably because you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from more than 60 yards away using one, plus your rate of fire was something like 3 rpm.

Well, I've talked to a fellow who lives in Canada about them. I'd assume the gun laws are similar. I'd go with an SKS semi-automatic rifle, in 'restricted' countries they're limited to fixed five round magazine with a steel plate welded into the magazine so it can only accept five rounds. The factory magazines accept 10 rounds, and you can buy extended magazines up to 20, 30, or 50 rounds, but I don't think they are available in Canada or Australia. I also believe the extended magazines are illegal in those countries, plus the UK. But you can still get one with a fixed five round magazine, and they're extremely fun to shoot with.

If you're looking for a handgun, I have a personal preference towards Smith and Wesson revolvers. I own a .357 model 586 and it's performed very reliably, and it's pretty accurate for a handgun. It can also chamber .38 special. The problem I have with .38 special, and even 9mm, is that they're not particularly hard hitting rounds. Usually it'll take several rounds to kill someone, and even if you don't want to kill them it'll take several rounds to knock them down to the point where you can either escape or call the police.

Do you at all have the option of getting a .45 caliber Colt semi-automatic or a Kimber .45 semi-automatic? If so, I would go with them. Really any .45 is a decent choice for self defense. The .45 ACP is a very reliable, hard hitting round that will put a person down in one or two shots. There's a reason it was called the "door buster" during WWII. For personal defense, I would say it's your best bet. Otherwise you can get a semi-automatic in 10mm magnum, also a very powerful round, I would say better than the .45 myself, as it's a magnum cartridge and firing at a higher velocity, as long as it's a fragmentation round it'll do the job and probably better. American Arms and Glock make 10mm models I know, and there's other companies out there. However 10mm ammunition isn't as common as .45, and thus more expensive. However I've fired both .45 ACP and 10mm, and honestly I'd say the 10mm is the better round.

If you're looking for a revolver, I would go with Smith & Wesson or Ruger. And I personally use a .357 Smith and Wesson Model 586 revolver with carved "dum dum" soft tip bullets for home defense. I've never had a loading or firing problem with my revolver. I have, however, fired enough pistols, in .22. 9mm, 7.62x25, .45, and even 10mm to come to the conclusion that semi-automatic handguns, especially when firing defensive ammunition and not full metal jacket ammunition, will fail to load. I don't trust them, your mileage may vary.

But for self defense, I really wouldn't go with anything less than a .357 magnum. A .38 special doesn't cut it, they don't have enough of a powder charge behind them to stop an attacker unless you shoot them directly in the face. It may happen, but it would be an off chance. So .357, .44, 10mm, .40 .45 ACP or .45 LC. Those would work, but 9mm, or .38 special, .22LR or .380 I would not recommend if you're looking at a handgun for self defense.

So yes, there's my two cents, coming from an American who has been around firearms since he was 10, and who has worked in a store that sold and refurbished firearms, and owns 10 firearms. And some people say I have an "unhealthy fixation" on firearms, and other people say I'm a "firearm genius". It's all a matter of perspective.

Tazzy da Devil:
Get a water gun, the only type of gun worth getting. Seriously, why on Earth do you want a gun?

Don't forget paintball guns! One of the best purchases I've ever made, and it's something I can actually use.

Other than that, I agree completely. I don't see why anyone outside of law enforcement or the military needs to own a gun. Unless they are legitimately hunting for food or carrying them through the bush for self defense.

iLikeHippos:

Jegsimmons:
Move to America and buy what ever guy you so please.

Okay, that's racist.
.

Americans are a race now? When did that happen?

Also it seems that the definition of racist has broadened a fair bit.

Vern:
SNIP

Semi-automatics are a catergory C firearms (with a mag restriction of 10) in Australia, you need to be a primary producer (farmer) who can prove that CAT A+B firearms (pump, bolt, lever action rifles, lever and break action shotguns) aren't enough. Or a professional hunter/culler can get ONE semi-automatic with up to a 30 round mag.

With handguns you get either a sporting license (with 10round limit) or one for professional security purposes (no limit). With the sporting one you can't shoot greater than .38 without a dispensation.

Easiest thing for the OP to get would be a CAT A+B license and get a nice lever gun, bolt action rifle or double barreled shotgun.

BlackStar42:
Probably because you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from more than 60 yards away using one, plus your rate of fire was something like 3 rpm.

Depends, up until recently a friend of mine's father possessed a working unregistered Mauser C96 pistol due to the loopholes that made it an antique. But some of those rifles around the turn of the century are still pretty accurate and fast to load (there's bolt and lever action rifles under that catergory), the biggest problem is how rare the ammunition is for many, and that which exists is pretty old.

honestly, the poeople suggesting water pistols know nothing.

Yea I hate Australia's gun laws, but we make do right?
I wouldn't get a glock, but that's personal opinion. I didn't fancy the recoil and I hate the design.
Go for anything Kimber so long as it isn't dual toned :P Reliable. Legal.
CZ is also marvelous and I'm looking forward to finding a way to get a CZ 97b, otherwise a 75 SP-01 will have to do! hahaha but there's even control and recoil, fine accuracy and all that jazz.
and Beretta is always a safe bet.

Revolvers are great, but unless you're a hardcore hunter and can prove it, the government will never let you have it.

I own a number of firearms, I teach firearms safety, and have a Curio and Relics license.

When it comes to a firearms purchase, I ask: what is this firearm for?

Starting off: you want a pistol.

What is it for? Just for screwing around and practicing? Possibly defense?

First pistol I honestly recommend- especially for first-time pistol owners- is a pistol chambered for .22 Long Rifle (.22 LR) It's got low recoil, accurate, and most of all: cheap ammo. (Pistols are pretty inexpensive, too.)

As a side note: do not- not not not- discount the .22 LR (*not* .22 Short) as a self-defense round. While it's not much in the stopping power department, it's actually far more lethal than people seem to think. High velocity combined with a soft lead bullet- a pretty heavy one for its size- make .22 LR extremely lethal to humans.

If going beyond this, or you want defense as an option, I recommend the following calibers (in order of preference):

.45 ACP
.40 S&W
.38 Special
9mm
.380 ACP

Myself, I carry a .45 ACP firearm for defense. My personal favorite is a Taurus 1911B, but there are hundreds to choose from. The round is large and subsonic, so overpenetration (going through walls) is less of an issue, but it has extremely good damage qualities and moderate recoil.

For semiautomatic pistols, there's hundreds- my suggestion is this:

1. Pick the caliber you want. Do *not* get anything larger than .45 ACP unless you intend to Hunt with it or are an experienced shooter. Caliber is the first, most important choice, because after you pick that picking a firearm chambered for it is easy. Don't pick a caliber that isn't as common as possible- if this is your first pistol, you want ammo to be cheap, easy to find, and allow you to practice as much as you want. Where I live, .45 ACP ammo is about $15 USD for a box of 50, 9mm being about $10 USD a box of 50. (.22 LR is sold in 'bricks' of 144 rounds for something like $10 US or less, you can do the math on which is cheapest to plink at cans with :) )

2. Handle the firearm you are interested in. I can't stress that enough- it doesn't matter how amazing or expensive a pistol is, if the shooter is not comfortable with it, leave it alone. Handle a variety of arms. Which one fits your hand? Don't be macho- if you have small hands, it's not a criticism; find a pistol with a smaller grip. Word of advice- don't get caught up on 'high capacity'; between 7 and 10 rounds is plenty, and you should be more concerned with placing your shots and not blazing away because you have a 14+ round magazine.

3. Check out the firearms you have handled and like online. There are thousands of sites which review just about every firearm ever made, and usually they have detailed, experienced reviews of the firearm in question. Also, don't get roped into a 'sweet deal' that might be hard to get parts for. Owning a pistol you got cheap will hurt you if no one makes magazines for it (it's happened to me more than once.)

For revolvers, the above 3 rules apply, with some specifics:

1. Again...nothing larger than .38 Special. I have lost track of the number of newer pistol owners who have come to me to train...with some god-awful piece of ironmongery capable of shooting through an engine block. No. If you are experienced and intend to hunt large animals with it, go nuts...but not for any kind of defensive purpose. I do recommend buying a revolver chambered for .357 Magnum, then using .38 Special as a carry load (the load you keep in it for defensive purposes) but .357 Magnum is, to me, heavy for defense.

Side note: .357 Magnum and .38 Special are, in effect, the same caliber. The only difference (despite the different caliber numbers) are that .357 Magnum has a longer casing, more powder, and a slightly longer, heavier bullet. A revolver chambered for .357 Magnum can be loaded with .38 Special ammunition and fire it without issues, and many people do just that so they have a heavier, sturdier pistol (the weight helps absorb recoil.)

Brands I personally endorse (and this is solely from my own experiences and that of people I trust, this is not an exhaustive list):

Semiautomatics: Colt, Taurus, Springfield Armory, Glock, Walther, Heckler and Koch, Browning (Browning Hi-Power is amazing), FN.

Brands I avoid: Smith and Wesson (great revolvers, dislike their semiautos), Beretta, Hi-Point (cheap crap)

Revolvers: Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Taurus (newer models are great), Dan Wesson

Not that I know much about it but I'd recommend getting a rifle, from what I understand that here in Australia its a lot easier and takes a lot less time to get a license to own a rifle than a handgun, because of the ease in which you can conceal a handgun. Don't take my words as gospel though, do some research on getting a gun license.

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