So A Teacher At My School Was Just Fired...

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I would say this was a lighthearted action taken WAY too seriously, its just Jackass a movie about stupidity and the fact that it was shown to a bunch of Minors doesn't mean much in this time period I'm 100% that everyone has seen a R rated movie at a young age, parent or not.
Basically a teacher who does stupid things does not mean much as long as the teacher teaches and the students learn then everything else should be irrelevant.

Christ, what's with this sensitivity bullshit?
I was watching Jackass at eight. The show is hardly adult. It's as infantile as it gets.
I remember having watched Love Actually at school, and that film has long scenes showing a porno filming. And it's rated ages 12 and up.

High school kids know what a dick looks like. Why should this be a problem?

maddawg IAJI:
Da fuck are you talking about?! If that's suppose to be a joke, I gotta say, it ain't funny. Not in the slightest.

If only it was a joke, but the pro-violence lobby of the NRA is all-powerfull, and not a hundred school shootings, 30.000+ deaths a year and murder rates 6-33 times as much as comparable countries makes the US reconsider the free arms and murders for everyone laws they have.

This is really dumb, from what i've read in the petition page, theis guy seemed like a really good teacher. was it dumb that he showed the movie? sure, but it's not like no one in that class has seen jackass before. I'm sure that some of those kids have even done the nasty, schools these days just don't know how to realize whaere an actually problem is.

Besides, he didn't even show any nudity. In my Freshman year the SPANISH teacher let us watch ALL OF GLADIATOR.... IN ENGLISH!!!!!

Blablahb:

maddawg IAJI:
Da fuck are you talking about?! If that's suppose to be a joke, I gotta say, it ain't funny. Not in the slightest.

If only it was a joke, but the pro-violence lobby of the NRA is all-powerfull, and not a hundred school shootings, 30.000+ deaths a year and murder rates 6-33 times as much as comparable countries makes the US reconsider the free arms and murders for everyone laws they have.

1) The NRA does not encourage violence, in fact, I do believe that the local chapter of the NRA near my home actually holds gun safety classes, which each NRA member had to pass before being able to own a gun.

2) Several of the murders done with firearms in this country are done with poor intercity youths who have procured the gun illegally(Which is a felony) Yes, gun laws need to be changed and yes, some states are far too lax on gun ownership. But I will state this, should you remove the guns, it will not stop or lower crime, it will just cause fatalities due to knives or blunt weapons to rise as the UK has shown us.

3) I don't care what the fuck your argument is, your attempt to equate this small breach of school policy to a public shooting is down right offensive to those who are victims of gun violence not just in America, but everywehre . Please, think before you type and don't try to derail the thread.

GrandmaFunk:

Realitycrash:

he is breaking a law by showing an R-rated movie to "kids", but really..He should be fired for that?

certainly.

just like any other job would fire you for committing a crime on premises, during business hours.

seriously, ppl saying this should be brushed off have very questionable work ethics.

When the "crime" is showing minors a silly R-rated movie, then no, I do think there is such a thing as a gray-zone.
For the same reason, if I put on a r-rated movie without giving it much of a thought (and I seriously doubt this man did) in the restuarant I work with (we got several fullscreens) and minors (let's say kids 12-14) see it, I don't think I should be fired.
I also don't think I should be fired if I by mistake block the fire-exit with my truck when I stop to deliver groceries. I should be yelled at, but fired? For any small, innocent crime made by mistake? Hah.

What age were the students in question? If they're 16 plus I don't see anything wrong with it. But, I don't see how he got fired from just this with the students protesting it. Teacher's unions are dang near untouchable.

Realitycrash:

GrandmaFunk:

Realitycrash:

he is breaking a law by showing an R-rated movie to "kids", but really..He should be fired for that?

certainly.

just like any other job would fire you for committing a crime on premises, during business hours.

seriously, ppl saying this should be brushed off have very questionable work ethics.

When the "crime" is showing minors a silly R-rated movie, then no, I do think there is such a thing as a gray-zone.
For the same reason, if I put on a r-rated movie without giving it much of a thought (and I seriously doubt this man did) in the restuarant I work with (we got several fullscreens) and minors (let's say kids 12-14) see it, I don't think I should be fired.
I also don't think I should be fired if I by mistake block the fire-exit with my truck when I stop to deliver groceries. I should be yelled at, but fired? For any small, innocent crime made by mistake? Hah.

Its against school policy to show R rated films without permission. Heck, some schools don't even let you see PG-13 films. He was not fired for breaking the law, as there is no law against minors viewing an R rated film (Those ratings hold the same power as the ESRB, that is to say, none) he was fired for breaking school policy.

Obsideo:

All of the students at my school loved him and are actively protesting his termination.

Administrative leave =/= termination.

That being said, he did something wrong and evidently knew it was wrong, since he opted to hide it when someone entered the room.

GrandmaFunk:

Oddly enough, I would think someone watching movies while they're getting paid to work would constitute as being "shit at their job".

but it seems like most ppl think it's perfectly ok for him to goof off, apparently that's all that the students want to do too, right?

ya, really legit teacher right there.

And this is why popular opinion tends to be crap.

R- Restricted - Under 17 requires an accompanying parent or adult guardian

Therefore, he shouldn't have shown it to his students (and since he switched it off when another member of staff walked in the room, he obviously knew he'd be in the cacky if he got caught). He got caught, he's getting investigated (has he actually been fired yet? Article in the OP says "on admin leave")

I know it's an offence to show an age-rated film to underage people in the UK, I guess it's the same in the States, so IMO, he deserves to be in the aforementioned cacky. As far as I'm concerned, he should have been supervising the students in his care, not watching films, let alone showing them what he was watching!

I'm a teacher, and I have to say that while I'm not one for obsession with "propriety" and other arbitrary social constructs (I'm posting this from my school's teachers' lounge between classes after all), a certain level of professionalism, especially in the presence of students, is necessary for being an effective educator.

I'm not making a moral judgment on him for showing lewd videos to his students. I'm looking at this from a professional standpoint, and from that, what he did was foolish. I don't know if he deserves to be fired, especially if he is a younger teacher with a lot of potential and this could be a career-ending termination, but some corrective measure is definitely appropriate. He needs to understand that if one is going to be an effective educator, there are certain things you can't do in front of students, such as what he did.

signed the petition, hope it helps :3

maddawg IAJI:

Blablahb:
It's the kind of thing that makes you shake your head and mumble "Oh, America..."

Shoot up school with firearms and murder people: good thing
Watch a slightly tasteless movie in class: horridly evil thing

Da fuck are you talking about?! If that's suppose to be a joke, I gotta say, it ain't funny. Not in the slightest.

He is our resident anti-gun fanatic. Because the US allows citizens to own firearms, it is totally okay with kids getting their hands on a parent's gun and shooting other kids at school. Or so the logic goes.
OP: Yeah, that was a very unprofessional move and I don't mind the school's decision to put him on leave.

RedEyesBlackGamer:

maddawg IAJI:

Blablahb:
It's the kind of thing that makes you shake your head and mumble "Oh, America..."

Shoot up school with firearms and murder people: good thing
Watch a slightly tasteless movie in class: horridly evil thing

Da fuck are you talking about?! If that's suppose to be a joke, I gotta say, it ain't funny. Not in the slightest.

He is our resident anti-gun fanatic. Because the US allows citizens to own firearms, it is totally okay with kids getting their hands on a parent's gun and shooting other kids at school. Or so the logic goes.
OP: Yeah, that was a very unprofessional move and I don't mind the school's decision to fire him.

I think when dealing with him on this issue, "logic" may be a stretch of the word. What I love is he's basically become a strawman against gun ownership that you so rarely see now a days in the states.

OT: I don't think he should have done this. But I'd need to know if he has a previous record with the school of misbehavior.

There are many worse off teachers at Stratford, but even then they wouldn't even do something this stupid. First off why would you watch jackass at your job?

Watching the movie on the job to begin with was extremely unprofessional, to say nothing of actually showing it to the students. He absolutely deserved to be terminated, which is a real shame, because it sounds like he was a great teacher. Hopefully he'll show better judgment in the future.

they show us horrible horrible videos in biology in high school, which included one which was a close up of a woman giving birth.
they approved that for school. it was the most disturbing thing ever.

How can watching jackass be worse than watching birth upclose.

HOW.

What a small world. I just heard about this from some kids at work that go to Wando. It's a high school. The students should be mature enough to handle this kind of material. If you didn't want to see it you should have spoken up. I'm sure he would have turned off the video.

i had a IT teacher who was fired for having 'relations' with a 14 year old student...pretty sure he's in jail now.

Reminds me of the biology substitute that I had once who thought it would be educational to show an extremely graphic home video of her and her husband castrating sheep with only their teeth. Easily the single most horrible thing I've ever witnessed.

Give the man a medal for not showing hello kitty to everyone just to please the parents and the schoolboard beigest (beige as in bland) bunch of wankers, odds are a good number of them have seen it already. This pr bollocks is really getting to me, you cant do anything anymore without ringing a man in a bigger office and a higher pay grade than you and asking if it might cause offense to someones parents somewhere -.-

I used to love dirty sanchez/jackass when I was a teenager, just a bit of silly comedy.

Well, since teachers shouldn't be watching films while they're meant to be working, shouldn't be showing kids R-rated films (which I'm pretty sure is a crime in the UK, dunno about the US) and should instead be actually educating the kids, then yeah, I support him being punished.

Teachers should teach, not show potentially offensive and stupid films to kids. Duh.

maddawg IAJI:

Blablahb:

maddawg IAJI:
Da fuck are you talking about?! If that's suppose to be a joke, I gotta say, it ain't funny. Not in the slightest.

If only it was a joke, but the pro-violence lobby of the NRA is all-powerfull, and not a hundred school shootings, 30.000+ deaths a year and murder rates 6-33 times as much as comparable countries makes the US reconsider the free arms and murders for everyone laws they have.

1) The NRA does not encourage violence, in fact, I do believe that the local chapter of the NRA near my home actually holds gun safety classes, which each NRA member had to pass before being able to own a gun.

2) Several of the murders done with firearms in this country are done with poor intercity youths who have procured the gun illegally(Which is a felony) Yes, gun laws need to be changed and yes, some states are far too lax on gun ownership. But I will state this, should you remove the guns, it will not stop or lower crime, it will just cause fatalities due to knives or blunt weapons to rise as the UK has shown us.

3) I don't care what the fuck your argument is, your attempt to equate this small breach of school policy to a public shooting is down right offensive to those who are victims of gun violence not just in America, but everywehre . Please, think before you type and don't try to derail the thread.

Question, if I may, sir:

Don't such actions, specifically under number 3, violate the terms of the forum? Thank you for your time, good sir.

battle_otter:
Reminds me of the biology substitute that I had once who thought it would be educational to show an extremely graphic home video of her and her husband castrating sheep with only their teeth. Easily the single most horrible thing I've ever witnessed.

...

What?

well, I'm sure that's educational. You never know when you might need to castrate sheep with only your teeth.

CM156:

maddawg IAJI:

Blablahb:
If only it was a joke, but the pro-violence lobby of the NRA is all-powerfull, and not a hundred school shootings, 30.000+ deaths a year and murder rates 6-33 times as much as comparable countries makes the US reconsider the free arms and murders for everyone laws they have.

1) The NRA does not encourage violence, in fact, I do believe that the local chapter of the NRA near my home actually holds gun safety classes, which each NRA member had to pass before being able to own a gun.

2) Several of the murders done with firearms in this country are done with poor intercity youths who have procured the gun illegally(Which is a felony) Yes, gun laws need to be changed and yes, some states are far too lax on gun ownership. But I will state this, should you remove the guns, it will not stop or lower crime, it will just cause fatalities due to knives or blunt weapons to rise as the UK has shown us.

3) I don't care what the fuck your argument is, your attempt to equate this small breach of school policy to a public shooting is down right offensive to those who are victims of gun violence not just in America, but everywehre . Please, think before you type and don't try to derail the thread.

Question, if I may, sir:

Don't such actions, specifically under number 3, violate the terms of the forum? Thank you for your time, good sir.

It use to, I'm not sure if it does anymore.

maddawg IAJI:

Realitycrash:

GrandmaFunk:

certainly.

just like any other job would fire you for committing a crime on premises, during business hours.

seriously, ppl saying this should be brushed off have very questionable work ethics.

When the "crime" is showing minors a silly R-rated movie, then no, I do think there is such a thing as a gray-zone.
For the same reason, if I put on a r-rated movie without giving it much of a thought (and I seriously doubt this man did) in the restuarant I work with (we got several fullscreens) and minors (let's say kids 12-14) see it, I don't think I should be fired.
I also don't think I should be fired if I by mistake block the fire-exit with my truck when I stop to deliver groceries. I should be yelled at, but fired? For any small, innocent crime made by mistake? Hah.

Its against school policy to show R rated films without permission. Heck, some schools don't even let you see PG-13 films. He was not fired for breaking the law, as there is no law against minors viewing an R rated film (Those ratings hold the same power as the ESRB, that is to say, none) he was fired for breaking school policy.

And who the FUCK fires someone for breaking a policy ONCE, if it had no serious consequences (other than moral-guardian-moms whining)?
It's not like he's working at McDonalds and he "broke policy" by not always smiling like a moron. This is a serious profession.

maddawg IAJI:
1) The NRA does not encourage violence, in fact,

Yes they do. They encourage and defend the possesion and use of deadly weapons, and thus all the consequences of that.

maddawg IAJI:
2) Several of the murders done with firearms in this country are done with poor intercity youths who have procured the gun illegally(Which is a felony) Yes, gun laws need to be changed and yes, some states are far too lax on gun ownership. But I will state this, should you remove the guns, it will not stop or lower crime

That's old, and easy to refute: Then why do countries without guns consistently show much lower crime rates?

Don't make the mistake of quoting Switserland from the NRA gospel.

maddawg IAJI:
3) I don't care what the fuck your argument is, your attempt to equate this small breach of school policy to a public shooting is down right offensive to those who are victims of gun violence

Uhm, actually, victims of gun violence are more likely to find people defending gun violence to be offensive. And even if, do you think "Wooh, now I'm offended" is going to silence the critics?

You're the one who is derailing the topic with predictable stuff to defend the pro-violence lobby.
I'm just observing the absurdity that deadly violence in schools doesn't lead to any action being taken, and a teacher showing a slightly tasteless movie gets sacked.
That's a typical American cultural thing; hypersensitive and easy to offend to anything related to taste, and at the same time willing to accept horrible stuff that nobody elsewhere on the globe would.

Clearly the teacher was just demonstrating the consequences of waving their dicks at snakes.

Blablahb:

maddawg IAJI:
1) The NRA does not encourage violence, in fact,

Yes they do. They encourage and defend the possesion and use of deadly weapons, and thus all the consequences of that.

This just in folks, your local firework salesman is equatable to your local assassin due to the fact that he encourages and defends the use of explosives. Anything can be used as a deadly weapon buddy, but guns, like knives, fireworks and just about any other item you can find in this world do serve a purpose in society, both negative and positive.

maddawg IAJI:
2) Several of the murders done with firearms in this country are done with poor intercity youths who have procured the gun illegally(Which is a felony) Yes, gun laws need to be changed and yes, some states are far too lax on gun ownership. But I will state this, should you remove the guns, it will not stop or lower crime

Blablahb:
That's old, and easy to refute: Then why do countries without guns consistently show much lower crime rates?

Because they're half the size of the United States, because they generally have a much higher standard of living, because they do not have conflicting and often violent history of conflicting cultures, better and much cheaper education with much fewer drop-out rates and because they tend to have better funded legal systems that focus more so on rehabilitation over incarceration. Does that answer your question or do I need to break out the signs that crime is caused by more then just owning a gun?

maddawg IAJI:
3) I don't care what the fuck your argument is, your attempt to equate this small breach of school policy to a public shooting is down right offensive to those who are victims of gun violence

Uhm, actually, victims of gun violence are more likely to find people defending gun violence to be offensive. And even if, do you think "Wooh, now I'm offended" is going to silence the critics?

Blablahb:

You're the one who is derailing the topic with predictable stuff to defend the pro-violence lobby.

So because I'm defending it, I'm the one derailing? Once again, da fuck? So, because I'm defending it and pointing out your faulty logic, you, the one who brought up the topic and pushed the topic, are not at fault?

Blablahb:

I'm just observing the absurdity that deadly violence in schools doesn't lead to any action being taken, and a teacher showing a slightly tasteless movie gets sacked.

Because he broke the terms of his contract! He was fully aware that what he was doing was wrong and should have known better! You tend to get let go if you break a term of your contract!

Blablahb:

That's a typical American cultural thing; hypersensitive and easy to offend to anything related to taste, and at the same time willing to accept horrible stuff that nobody elsewhere on the globe would.

Canada, Brazil, Australia, Switzerland, The Czech Republic, Finland, Honduras, Italy, New Zealend....Oh I'm sorry, I was just naming a bunch of non-US countries that actively produce and or sell firearms to citizens. What were you saying about no one else in the globe taking part in this?

maddawg IAJI:

CM156:

maddawg IAJI:

1) The NRA does not encourage violence, in fact, I do believe that the local chapter of the NRA near my home actually holds gun safety classes, which each NRA member had to pass before being able to own a gun.

2) Several of the murders done with firearms in this country are done with poor intercity youths who have procured the gun illegally(Which is a felony) Yes, gun laws need to be changed and yes, some states are far too lax on gun ownership. But I will state this, should you remove the guns, it will not stop or lower crime, it will just cause fatalities due to knives or blunt weapons to rise as the UK has shown us.

3) I don't care what the fuck your argument is, your attempt to equate this small breach of school policy to a public shooting is down right offensive to those who are victims of gun violence not just in America, but everywehre . Please, think before you type and don't try to derail the thread.

Question, if I may, sir:

Don't such actions, specifically under number 3, violate the terms of the forum? Thank you for your time, good sir.

It use to, I'm not sure if it does anymore.

*Checks forum terms of use*

Trolling
Posting inflammatory, extraneous or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion
Offensive Posts
Please read what you wrote before you post it and think if anyone else could find it offensive

If I'm not mistaken, you are (or were) a mod.

Blablahb:
Yes they do. They encourage and defend the possesion and use of deadly weapons, and thus all the consequences of that.

Remember when you claimed that the NRA supported school shootings and I asked if you could show me where they said that? How's that going?

The NRA does not encourage this. What they support are castle doctrine and carry laws. Those two are not the moral equivalent to school shootings

You know what I defend? The 21st amendment. The right of 21+ year olds to drink. Does that mean I support drunk driving and date rape (in a case where it's the result of drinking)? No. No it does not.

CM156:

maddawg IAJI:

CM156:

Question, if I may, sir:

Don't such actions, specifically under number 3, violate the terms of the forum? Thank you for your time, good sir.

It use to, I'm not sure if it does anymore.

*Checks forum terms of use*

Trolling
Posting inflammatory, extraneous or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion
Offensive Posts
Please read what you wrote before you post it and think if anyone else could find it offensive

If I'm not mistaken, you are (or were) a mod.
.

I was, but I sacrificed my powers to seal a dimensional rift that threatened all of civilization due to the release of toxic gas monsters (You're welcome!) and I haven't been too familiar with the recent edit on the terms and conditions.

maddawg IAJI:

CM156:

maddawg IAJI:

It use to, I'm not sure if it does anymore.

*Checks forum terms of use*

Trolling
Posting inflammatory, extraneous or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion
Offensive Posts
Please read what you wrote before you post it and think if anyone else could find it offensive

If I'm not mistaken, you are (or were) a mod.
.

I was, but I sacrificed my powers to seal a dimensional rift that threatened all of civilization due to the release of toxic gas monsters (You're welcome!) and I haven't been too familiar with the recent edit on the terms and conditions.

I thank you very much for your noble sacrifice then. Without you, we would all be dead.

But yeah. I don't know. I haven't really noticed a change in forum rules an a while. So who knows.

Thank you for your time regardless.

CM156:

maddawg IAJI:

CM156:

*Checks forum terms of use*

If I'm not mistaken, you are (or were) a mod.
.

I was, but I sacrificed my powers to seal a dimensional rift that threatened all of civilization due to the release of toxic gas monsters (You're welcome!) and I haven't been too familiar with the recent edit on the terms and conditions.

I thank you very much for your noble sacrifice then. Without you, we would all be dead.

But yeah. I don't know. I haven't really noticed a change in forum rules an a while. So who knows.

Thank you for your time regardless.

It is quite alright, a 50 foot gold statue of me would be more then enough to pay me back and I thank you for having manners my good man!

GrandmaFunk:
I'd say the termination is valid.

If it had only been a matter of him watching movies on "company time", then some milder disciplinary action could have been taken.

But showing an R rated movie to a bunch of teenagers, in class no less, breaks a few laws and points to horrible judgment.

I mean, it's not like the movie as any redeeming qualities or is the least bit educational... there's really no gray zone to this.

Many teachers show students saving private ryan and flags of our fathers, I don't think that's illegal.

However I don't believe that this is the smartest thing a teacher could do, in fact it's probably one of the stupidest things a teacher can do in front of students. But he should get a second chance.

maddawg IAJI:
Because he broke the terms of his contract! He was fully aware that what he was doing was wrong and should have known better! You tend to get let go if you break a term of your contract!

See? Americans make a huge fuss of tiny stuff related to values, and will approve of coming down on someone acting against that blindly, while at the same time willing to ignore and approve of a ton of violence, like high school shootings as a result of arms possesion, and blindly defend that possesion, to the point of claiming that shooting people doesn't lead to deaths.

I thank you for confirming what I said earlier.

Blablahb:

maddawg IAJI:
Because he broke the terms of his contract! He was fully aware that what he was doing was wrong and should have known better! You tend to get let go if you break a term of your contract!

See? Americans make a huge fuss of tiny stuff related to values, and will approve of coming down on someone acting against that blindly, while at the same time willing to ignore and approve of a ton of violence, like high school shootings as a result of arms possesion, and blindly defend that possesion, to the point of claiming that shooting people doesn't lead to deaths.

I thank you for confirming what I said earlier.

Values!? Its a business contract not some bloody ethics code from a Midwestern university! He is meant to preform certain actions and not do stupid things, such as airing a lewd and R rated movie without permission from his boss to minors! Its not about some minor ethics or moral bullshit, its quite literally one of the things he is required to do in his job!

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