Curious Hate

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This is the Mossberg 464 SPX

I think it looks damn cool, and am thinking of purchasing one, specially model pictured, .30-30 with a flash suppressor. However, in searching for data on the gun, such as whether experienced shooters have found any problems with it, range accuracy, etc, I happened across several gun enthusiast forums.

Not one of these forums had anything positive to say about this gun. They universally hated it, based on looks alone. Escapists, look at that gun. Does anyone see the hideous monstrosity they see? I don't. Is it just a purist thing, that lever actions need wood furniture?
Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
And yes, I know the zombie model is upcoming

This is the third time today Captcha has told me to face the music. At least it isnt those ball-itch-irritating ads

I think it's pretty cool lookin' but I'm not much of an authority on guns. Maybe it's the spacing between the butt and the lever/trigger area that rubs them the wrong way?

Not a gun enthusiast so expect a lot of "that thingy there"
It looks kinda funny to me, the stock seems to have unnecessary grooves on it and the part in front of the trigger on the barrel looks painful to hold.

Also how the heck do you reload that thing? it looks like you put the bullets in from the top but does that mean this thing is only one shot? may as well get a rifle if that's the case >.>

Honestly it looks like the creation of an amateur who is starting to use PimpMyGun. Note that I'm not a gun-expert and just another gamer.

8-Bit_Jack:
Not one of these forums had anything positive to say about this gun. They universally hated it, based on looks alone. Escapists, look at that gun. Does anyone see the hideous monstrosity they see? I don't. Is it just a purist thing, that lever actions need wood furniture?
Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Well, that is an important consideration. Not many people know this, but you get a respawn if you can prove the gun that killed you doesn't look cool enough.

...

Seriosuly, it's a gun, not a fashion accessory. If "looking nice" was the priority for the designers, do not buy their gun.

Keoul:
Not a gun enthusiast so expect a lot of "that thingy there"
It looks kinda funny to me, the stock seems to have unnecessary grooves on it and the part in front of the trigger on the barrel looks painful to hold.

Also how the heck do you reload that thing? it looks like you put the bullets in from the top but does that mean this thing is only one shot? may as well get a rifle if that's the case >.>

If you mean the grooves on the grip, the part of the stock behind the trigger, those are for, well, grip. The stock is extendable, with six length positions. Rails are pretty comfortable in your hand actually, and make for a good grip

As to reloading, the groove you see on the side is where you load the rounds.

8-Bit_Jack:
As to reloading, the groove you see on the side is where you load the rounds.

Really? that's actually quite interesting. I was under the impression the side groove was where spent shells got ejected.
Other than that I guess it's a pretty good gun then, people seem to be to finicky on the looks :P

KILL IT!

Well, it looked like a shotgun until I took a second glance, if that means anything. Uhh... yeah, I think it's more of just a purist thing. I have a theory that the more plastic is on the gun, the more gun experts are gonna dislike it.

When the M16 was introduced, the soldiers in Vietnam thought it was wimpy (among other things), despite the universal consensus of the soldiers thinking it was easier to manage that the previous M14.

That is literally the entire basis of my broken theory

As long as it shoots straight and you're willing to spent time practicing with it, I say go for it. Although the forward grip looks a little strange...

8-Bit_Jack:
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This is the Mossberg 464 SPX

I think it looks damn cool, and am thinking of purchasing one, specially model pictured, .30-30 with a flash suppressor. However, in searching for data on the gun, such as whether experienced shooters have found any problems with it, range accuracy, etc, I happened across several gun enthusiast forums.

Not one of these forums had anything positive to say about this gun. They universally hated it, based on looks alone. Escapists, look at that gun. Does anyone see the hideous monstrosity they see? I don't. Is it just a purist thing, that lever actions need wood furniture?
Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
And yes, I know the zombie model is upcoming

This is the third time today Captcha has told me to face the music. At least it isnt those ball-itch-irritating ads

Mild gun enthusiast here. Judging from looks alone, it looks flimsy as all hell. Looks like the stock would fall off under the hell I put my guns under. However, just because it looks flimsy, doesn't mean that it is.

I would like to point out something more to what are looking for. You want a 30-30, and were asking about range, the caliber really doesn't provide any. A 30-30 is one half-step up from a .22. I own 2 30-30 carbines, and they are absolutely perfect for hunting in thick brush because they are light and short and easy to carry, but with a 30-30 I wouldn't expect a clean kill on large game beyond 150 yards. Not without a near-perfect shot. As with all things, it depends on what you plan to do with it, but the 30-30 is really a niche weapon in modern times, it just doesn't have the powder.

Which kinda brings me to my next point, why on earth does a 30-30 come equipped with a flash suppressor?

I agree with the gun nuts. Hideous tactic00l heap of junk. Based purely on looks, as you asked, I wouldn't trust that thing to hold papers on my desk, let alone kill anything.

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That is what a lever action rifle is supposed to look like.

It's a gun. What's not to hate?

Keoul:
Not a gun enthusiast so expect a lot of "that thingy there"
It looks kinda funny to me, the stock seems to have unnecessary grooves on it and the part in front of the trigger on the barrel looks painful to hold.

Also how the heck do you reload that thing? it looks like you put the bullets in from the top but does that mean this thing is only one shot? may as well get a rifle if that's the case >.>

It has an internal magazine, you load it through that funny slot/groove looking thing on the side of the action, probably holds 4 shots plus one in the chamber, and it is a rifle. I don't really know what you meant by your last line, the 30-30 is a rifle cartridge and the lever action is a rifle action. I don't think that the barrel shroud would be painful to hold, a gun isn't that heavy, but it doesn't look terribly comfortable. Also, I really want to know why they designed a lever action with a telescoping stock.

floppylobster:
It's a gun. What's not to hate?

Protip: If you don't like guns to begin with don't post in gun threads.

Guns are fun to use. I've spent hundreds of rounds plinking cola cans, bottles, broken electronics and the like in my yard.

Personally it looks like it would be too noisy, would only draw attention to yourself. Personally I favour the traditional hunting knife.

Not a fan to.be honest, the stock looks....bizzare and the foregrip seems too much like an M4.

Give me a good old Enfield No.4 for all my rifling needs.

It looks like it would double as a mace if the enemy got too close.

That said, I think the grip? looks like it would shred your hands

Also, I'm not sure if thats a shotgun or a rifle

Keoul:

8-Bit_Jack:
As to reloading, the groove you see on the side is where you load the rounds.

Really? that's actually quite interesting. I was under the impression the side groove was where spent shells got ejected.
Other than that I guess it's a pretty good gun then, people seem to be to finicky on the looks :P

Shells eject out of the top. Lever actions are kinda weird, but in a cool way.

JoesshittyOs:
KILL IT!

Well, it looked like a shotgun until I took a second glance, if that means anything. Uhh... yeah, I think it's more of just a purist thing. I have a theory that the more plastic is on the gun, the more gun experts are gonna dislike it.

When the M16 was introduced, the soldiers in Vietnam thought it was wimpy (among other things), despite the universal consensus of the soldiers thinking it was easier to manage that the previous M14.

That is literally the entire basis of my broken theory

Not entirely incorrect. Synthetic(plastic) stocks have some benefits and trade-offs. Purists like me, would never look for a synthetic stock, but you have to be a special brand of asshole to think that just because you wouldn't want something it must be bad for everyone. Synthetic stocks are a lot fucking lighter, and the trade-offs are mostly against super-long range accuracy, which isn't even on the table for the 30-30.

floppylobster:
It's a gun. What's not to hate?

Why even comment on this topic? Really? We know some people hate guns, this thread was obviously not about that.

TestECull:
I agree with the gun nuts. Hideous tactic00l heap of junk. Based purely on looks, as you asked, I wouldn't trust that thing to hold papers on my desk, let alone kill anything.

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That is what a lever action rifle is supposed to look like.

Just on looks alone I don't like it either. But the 30-30 is a niche weapon for a light rifle, and I'd bet money that thing weights pounds less than a traditional lever-action. That telescoping stock still worries me though, it's like the designers had no idea what telescoping stocks are actually used for.

Final OT: Any gun-nut is going to be skiddish about this weapon. Speaking as someone who has handled and fired a lot of firearms, it looks flimsy as hell. I would not buy this rifle for half price or even less over the internet. Unless I could handle it and see if it was reinforced or made of super-tough plastic, or something, it just wouldn't stand up to what I was gonna put it through.

That said, it's all about what you're going to do with it. It's going to be light as fuck, so there are a couple of things it would be really really good at, like as a back-packing weapon. And, if it was built similar to an accustock, it will be strong enough to handle any normal conditions. I still wouldn't want to fall on it, but short of that it certainly could be well-made, but plastic is also a cost-cutting material, so be careful.

Why would you want a tactical 30-30?

Like...what's the point?

30-30 is a hunting round, you don't need telescoping stocks and plastic to cut weight. someone mentioned backpacking, but other than that...

The reason people are hating this is because it doesn't fit. For a tac weapon lever action is an obvious bad choice and for a hunting weapon none of it's design help this gun.

I don't know, looks pretty ugly.

I love the aesthetic of the old wooden level-action rifles, it just looks cleaner and less... plastic.

My only experience with guns is from games, by the way. So, don't expect me to know anything about ammo, etc. I appreciate guns purely from an aesthetic and engineering perspective.

I love gun porn :D

Looks ugly as sin. If we're talking merits of appearance, it sucks.

Buy one, bedazzle it, and put it on the internet.

OK, so that wouldn't really solve anything, but based on their reaction, you could assess if you feel that their opinions are worth their time.

it needs more meat on it.

thaluikhain:

8-Bit_Jack:
Not one of these forums had anything positive to say about this gun. They universally hated it, based on looks alone. Escapists, look at that gun. Does anyone see the hideous monstrosity they see? I don't. Is it just a purist thing, that lever actions need wood furniture?
Look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Well, that is an important consideration. Not many people know this, but you get a respawn if you can prove the gun that killed you doesn't look cool enough.
...
Seriosuly, it's a gun, not a fashion accessory. If "looking nice" was the priority for the designers, do not buy their gun.

lol!
But yeah; this thing was made to look nice and curvy and futuristic to win a contract: image
The problem?

The plastic bits melted when it was fired and testers found it really unergonomic and too heavy..
They're using this now instead:

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Nuff said

spartan231490:

Mild gun enthusiast here. Judging from looks alone, it looks flimsy as all hell. Looks like the stock would fall off under the hell I put my guns under. However, just because it looks flimsy, doesn't mean that it is.

I would like to point out something more to what are looking for. You want a 30-30, and were asking about range, the caliber really doesn't provide any. A 30-30 is one half-step up from a .22. I own 2 30-30 carbines, and they are absolutely perfect for hunting in thick brush because they are light and short and easy to carry, but with a 30-30 I wouldn't expect a clean kill on large game beyond 150 yards. Not without a near-perfect shot. As with all things, it depends on what you plan to do with it, but the 30-30 is really a niche weapon in modern times, it just doesn't have the powder.

Which kinda brings me to my next point, why on earth does a 30-30 come equipped with a flash suppressor?

Well the gun is only chambered in .30-30 and 22LR. I don't like how the .22 looks. it has a flash suppressor because the barrel's only 16 and a quarter, and apparently it manages to put off a significant flare. If you think THATS ridiculous, check out the .22. you can have it equipped with a MUZZLE BRAKE.
The other thing is that I'm buying this purely for collecting. I doubt I'll ever use it in a real-world scenario. not until society breaks down and i can murder with impunity anyway.

MagicMouse:
Why would you want a tactical 30-30?

Like...what's the point?

30-30 is a hunting round, you don't need telescoping stocks and plastic to cut weight. someone mentioned backpacking, but other than that...

The reason people are hating this is because it doesn't fit. For a tac weapon lever action is an obvious bad choice and for a hunting weapon none of it's design help this gun.

see, thats the first good explanation of the hate. Thanks

As I said though, I'm only gonna be purchasing guns for the sake of collecting guns I think are nifty.

My plan is to own an SAA, 1911, FN P90 and Five-seveN, and an a few others.
This is also only 400 bucks, so if its a waste of money, its a cheap one compared to most of the ones i want

AGAIN i must FACE THE MUSIC

Regnes:
Personally it looks like it would be too noisy, would only draw attention to yourself. Personally I favour the traditional hunting knife.

Nice one, rambo

Daystar Clarion:
I don't know, looks pretty ugly.

I love the aesthetic of the old wooden level-action rifles, it just looks cleaner and less... plastic.

My only experience with guns is from games, by the way. So, don't expect me to know anything about ammo, etc. I appreciate guns purely from an aesthetic and engineering perspective.

I love gun porn :D

The engraving doesnt give any tactical advantage. The gun is for show, not fighting. *Sneaky reference*

daveman247:

Daystar Clarion:
I don't know, looks pretty ugly.

I love the aesthetic of the old wooden level-action rifles, it just looks cleaner and less... plastic.

My only experience with guns is from games, by the way. So, don't expect me to know anything about ammo, etc. I appreciate guns purely from an aesthetic and engineering perspective.

I love gun porn :D

The engraving doesnt give any tactical advantage. The gun is for show, not fighting. *Sneaky reference*

Reloading like this... is a revolution!

I can haz cookies?

Daystar Clarion:

Reloading like this... is a revolution!

I can haz cookies?

You may :D *Gives internet cookie* Just download it to your cookie-drive. It has smarties on it.

I kind of think all modern guns are ugly so I'm not really one to judge.

Frankly, the thing looks more like a rifle than a shotgun. The collapsible stock, flash suppressor and handguards make it look like a M4 carbine or a Canadian C8A2 as I'm used to. I've never fired a shotgun so I don't know how it stacks up against other models.

Frankly, if the only complaints are about its appearance and you like it, then go for it.

I think the styles just clash. Imagine an M16 with a wooden stock and grip. I just don't think it would look right.

It just looks over-designed/unnecessary.

From an aesthetic standpoint... yeah. It looks like someone swapped out the textures between their copies of Red Dead Redemption and Call of Duty. The shape of the rifle fits with older lever actions, but it looks like it was cobbled together with pieces from a modern assault rifle.

Nouw:
Honestly it looks like the creation of an amateur who is starting to use PimpMyGun. Note that I'm not a gun-expert and just another gamer.

Yeah, like that.

Goofguy:
Frankly, the thing looks more like a rifle than a shotgun. The collapsible stock, flash suppressor and handguards make it look like a M4 carbine or a Canadian C8A2 as I'm used to. I've never fired a shotgun so I don't know how it stacks up against other models.

Frankly, if the only complaints are about its appearance and you like it, then go for it.

It looks like a rifle because it is one. .30-30 is a rifle cartridge that has a round bullet so they can stack in a tube magazine.

OT: It could be a purist thing, but I can think of better weapons to use where you'd want a foregrip or light mounted on your weapon, which is the whole point of those rails.

My assumption of the hate is based on the gun's grip. With regular lever-actions, the palm can comfortably wrap around the top of the stock while the finger hangs next to the trigger. That one just looks... bleh, the palm is probably resting on ridged material compared to finished wood, and it'd be sliding down a whole bunch and putting unnecessary weight on the bottom fingers that are inside the finger lever.

It's pretty much for people who like lever actions and people who like modern looking guns. And apparently, it's for people who aren't too keen on bolt-actions. It's what I will deem a 'bastard gun'.

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