Is tranny a slur word?

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TestECull:
Nigger has no other use except to put black people down, there is no legit definition/use of the word.

Wrong. Due to many members of the African-American community using it to casually refer to their friends, they've essentially reclaimed it and it's the reason why many rappers use it in their songs. Because it's still a slur, since it's frowned upon for non-whites to use it.

"Tranny" is a slur, because it's a common word used to insult transsexuals/transvestites. Same with "shemale". Although, like "nigga", many members of the LGBT community have reclaimed it. They're also porn categories: "tranny porn", "shemale porn". Whether or not that's derogatory (I don't; the entire point of "tranny porn" is for guys to find them sexy and beat off to them, although perhaps that's objectifying) is up to you.

But the context is what's ultimately important.

Yes it is.

Nothing more to it, really. Doesn't matter how many people want to speak up to say it isn't. If it hurts people, it's hurtful... "nigger" or "nigga", different to different people, multiple definitions, blah blah whatever, most of the B.S. posts I'm seeing here need to stop skirting around that fact.

Pretty simple issue there.

Liquidacid23:

TestECull:
No, it isn't. Every car has a tranny, therefore, the word has a legit use and isn't a slur.

and "faggot" has a legit use as meaning a bundle of something... therefor it isn't a slur!

That's what I've been saying for years.

"Faggot" can still be used as a slur to homosexual people, if you use it in a certain context. If you shout at someone, "Oi, you faggot!", that can be offensive. If you mutter to a transvestite, "Fucking tranny", that can be offensive too.

I think the common conception is that "tranny" is just a general word referring to anyone trying to present themselves (for any reason) as something different to their birth-assigned gender, while in reality it's on the same level as calling a gay person a faggot (me and a friend the other night were talking about how we as people often do things that are hurtful simply because we see it as normal and when I brought up how many people use the word without realising it's an insult he was shocked and said he'd always assumed that was what transgender people call themselves). It's born of ignorance and completely ignores the array of terminology on the transgender spectrum, almost as bad as "trap".

Oh sure, I've seen a few people saying it should be reclaimed and used as a word of empowerment, but I tend to lose a lot of respect for anyone who uses it outside of that context.

Obviously I don't think you should get arrested for talking about transistor radios, but considering the context I commonly hear it in is shit like 'look at how tall that "woman" is, betcha it's a tranny' and the absolutely horrible treatment and perceptions of transgendered people in society today for now it stands, in the context of transgenderism, as nothing more than an unjustifiable slur.

Gennadios:
In my city we have a tranny bar called the Trannyshack. Can't be a slur word if there's a place of business that features it in their name.

How about a product?

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Liquidacid23:

TestECull:

Liquidacid23:

just because it has a non-slur definition and use doesn't negate the fact it also has a use which is a slur... nor does the supposed claim you make about how often the word is used in that non-slur form suddenly make the word it self not a slur on the whole since it can still be used as one... like most other slurs it depends on the context.. a word can both be a slur and a not a slur depending on usage

Nigger is a slur. Nigger has no other use except to put black people down, there is no legit definition/use of the word. Tranny is not a slur. Tranny refers to anything that transmits rotational power from a source to a load.

See the difference now? I can't possibly make it any clearer than that. Just because you can use a word as a slur doesn't mean that word is a slur. Chink is another example, while you can use it to be an asshat to asians, you can also use it to refer to a weakness in something. As in, the chink in that tank's armor is the exhaust and cooling vents. It's another one that isn't a slur.

Nigger ONLY has a slur definition... tranny does not... pick up a dictionary sometime and maybe the fact words can have more than one meaning will be clear to you

I never said it was ALWAYS a slur... because it isn't... however you said it ISN't a slur at all which is incorrect... it CAN BE a slur and it can not be.. you seem to think just because there is the possibility of it being used not as a slur that means the word can't be a slur... it can be either depending on usage therefor the word itself is both

If you read his bloody post you would see he said exactly what you said.

Matthew94:

If you read his bloody post you would see he said exactly what you said.

No they didn't..

TestECull said: 'Tranny refers to anything that transmits rotational power from a source to a load, it can be used as a slur, but it is not a slur'

Liquidacid23 said: 'Tranny CAN refer to anything that transmits rotational blah blah blah, but it also CAN be a slur, and so the word CAN be a slur'

Psykoma:

Matthew94:

If you read his bloody post you would see he said exactly what you said.

No they didn't..

TestECull said: 'Tranny refers to anything that transmits rotational power from a source to a load, it can be used as a slur, but it is not a slur'

Liquidacid23 said: 'Tranny CAN refer to anything that transmits rotational blah blah blah, but it also CAN be a slur, and so the word CAN be a slur'

Yes, they did.

Testecull "Just because you can use a word as a slur doesn't mean that word is a slur. "

Other guy "pick up a dictionary sometime and maybe the fact words can have more than one meaning will be clear to you"

Matthew94:

Psykoma:

Matthew94:

If you read his bloody post you would see he said exactly what you said.

No they didn't..

TestECull said: 'Tranny refers to anything that transmits rotational power from a source to a load, it can be used as a slur, but it is not a slur'

Liquidacid23 said: 'Tranny CAN refer to anything that transmits rotational blah blah blah, but it also CAN be a slur, and so the word CAN be a slur'

Yes, they did.

Testecull "Just because you can use a word as a slur doesn't mean that word is a slur. "

Other guy "pick up a dictionary sometime and maybe the fact words can have more than one meaning will be clear to you"

If you want to get down to the absolute basics of what they've posted
Testecull: 'The word can never be a slur'
Liquidacid23: 'The word can be a slur depending on the usage'

Psykoma:

Matthew94:

Psykoma:

No they didn't..

TestECull said: 'Tranny refers to anything that transmits rotational power from a source to a load, it can be used as a slur, but it is not a slur'

Liquidacid23 said: 'Tranny CAN refer to anything that transmits rotational blah blah blah, but it also CAN be a slur, and so the word CAN be a slur'

Yes, they did.

Testecull "Just because you can use a word as a slur doesn't mean that word is a slur. "

Other guy "pick up a dictionary sometime and maybe the fact words can have more than one meaning will be clear to you"

If you want to get down to the absolute basics of what they've posted
Testecull: 'The word can never be a slur'
Liquidacid23: 'The word can be a slur depending on the usage'

If that's true then I retract my earlier post, if.

Anyway, let's not argue over an argument.

it's a slur, but so is "nerd", "geek", "emo", a number of words that we use that aren't commonly thought of as offensive.

The ultimate question is whether or not transexuals find it offensive.

I'm not a transexual, so I don't know.

(btw, OP, I think tranny refers to transexual, not transvestite)

Psykoma:

If you want to get down to the absolute basics of what they've posted
Testecull: 'The word can never be a slur'
Liquidacid23: 'The word can be a slur depending on the usage'

ah someone with common sense and reading comprehension on the internet? I must be dreaming or drunk :P

either way cheers to you for actually understanding

either way ill keep saying it.

Matthew94:

If that's true then I retract my earlier post, if.

Anyway, let's not argue over an argument.

makeup hug *hug*

Yeah, it is. Er, not that much more to say about it.

I'd not be surprised if there were attempts to reclaim it, but as a rule, those don't work.

thaluikhain:

I'd not be surprised if there were attempts to reclaim it, but as a rule, those don't work.

but our campaign to take back porch monkey is going so well

I am kind of shamefully ignorant on the topic of the transgendered/transsexual. Mostly, this comes from a fundamental inability to understand what basis they have for deciding they belong to that group; I mean, I know that they say they feel like a member of the opposite sex, but I just don't get how they come to that conclusion. What basis do they have for comparison? If you feel like a woman trapped in a man's body, how do you know what it feels like to be a woman in a woman's body, or a man in a man's body?

None of that's intended as an attack on the transwhatever. I just bring it up to illustrate my basic ignorance, which seems relevant to the discussion. I certainly don't mean the transwhatever any harm, and am mortified when I cause harm despite my intentions, so I tend to rely on other people to decide what is and is not offensive on this topic. The only person who has ever commented on my use of the word "tranny" (as it describes the transwhatever, since it seems that disclaimer is necessary) has told me it is offensive, so I don't call people that any more. The word itself is not so vital to my vocabulary that it's worth putting up a fight for, let alone running the risk of offending people by using.

Speaking as someone whose catchphrase is "Word mean things," I think considering "tranny" a slur may be a bit oversensitive. I think for a word to be a slur, it has to have a meaning distinct from a more appropriate word that describes the people it references, sort of like how "black person" just means a person who seems to be of African descent, whereas "nigger" carries with it a lot of judgments about the inferiority of a person's genes/culture/whatever. To that degree, I'm not sure how "tranny" is a slur, because I don't understand what it means that differentiates it from "transgendered/transsexual." Still, I have to concede the word has a certain dismissive connotation to it, so I can't fault people who find it offensive.

I've mostly seen it used somewhat like the n word nowadays (just for establishing, I spend a lot of time playing gigs in LGBT bars, so I meet a lot of gay, lesbian, transexual, bisexual, transvestite folks.)

If you are a transexual, then you can use it if you like. If you aren't, but are very good friends with a transexual, this also seems fine, as long as you are using it in the same way that the n word might be used as 'n***** please.'

For example, I am very good friends with some transexual people, and if I were to call them trannys, or sing Sweet Transvestite and dedicate it to them, or anything like that, they'd take it in god humour the same way I would take gentle mocking from them. However, if someone who they weren't good friends with used it, even in the same sort of gentle friendly mocking context that I did, they would consider it to be insulting.

Complicated, but then isn't all language?

Revolutionaryloser:
Cutting straight to the point, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out hat it is impolite to refer to transexuals/transvestites (I honestly don't know which) as trannies. When was this decided so and why? For all I knew, tranny didn't really have any other conotation other than a diminutive. Also, I rarely even hear the word at all outside of the LGBT community.

That's why I call my one friend Trannosaurus Rex. Of course we go way back before the change.

rickthetrick:

That's why I call my one friend Trannosaurus Rex. Of course we go way back before the change.

I love that!

I dunno if it's a slur, but it IS a pretty rude term.

I can totally understand why they'd get upset if called that.

I see tranny similar to gay, it can be a slur or it can just be a shortened word instead of transsexual or homosexual. It depends on the context.

TheDarkestDerp:
Yes it is.

Nothing more to it, really. Doesn't matter how many people want to speak up to say it isn't. If it hurts people, it's hurtful... "nigger" or "nigga", different to different people, multiple definitions, blah blah whatever, most of the B.S. posts I'm seeing here need to stop skirting around that fact.

Pretty simple issue there.

I find what you say in this offensive and hurtful, thus this post is a slur.

I would love for this post to merely be ironic satire and perhaps it is and where that lies is if you find slurs morally wrong and if you do yeah I have to say I am honestly offend by such a post as it undermines free speech. Now is it free speech to be a hateful bigoted asshole that i am defending here... well yeah it is but i view it's existence as necessary.

No if you don't see slurs as morally wrong I suppose this is just a satirical statement then a rant about how i thin people should be allowed to be assholes. In short if the world i live in ever make offending someone is now a crime well I am just going to sleep on some train tracks so i can end this damned nightmare called life for freedom is nothing more than a dead rotting corpse that will slowly decompose into utter government rule.

TehCookie:
I see tranny similar to gay, it can be a slur or it can just be a shortened word instead of transsexual or homosexual. It depends on the context.

That's pretty much what I was thinking (though I use it to mean transvestite as well). I think it's one of those words that people shout, intending as an insult, when the appropriate response is, "Yeah, so?"

Revolutionaryloser:
Cutting straight to the point, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out hat it is impolite to refer to transexuals/transvestites (I honestly don't know which) as trannies. When was this decided so and why? For all I knew, tranny didn't really have any other conotation other than a diminutive. Also, I rarely even hear the word at all outside of the LGBT community.

If I say: Dude! Your mother looks like a tranny!

Would you be offended? (unless she (in this case he (in which case it would be more accurate to say guardian instead of mother)) really is one) So presuming your mother is really a woman, would you be offended? I would. So it can be a slur.

On the other hand, man could also be a slur, because one might opt to refer to your mother as a man... In which case I think the offence is just as great.

I hope this shed's some light on your heavy dilemma.

TehCookie:
I see tranny similar to gay, it can be a slur or it can just be a shortened word instead of transsexual or homosexual. It depends on the context.

Yea, when someone asks:

"How often have you lubed up your tranny?" or "Has your tranny been playing any tricks on you?"

It makes a difference whether they are a mechanic or not.

Slurs are only offensive if we let them be.

Someone calls someone a tranny? A nigger? Fatty? Remember: they are only words. Words coming from an obviously mentally deficient individual and who cares what someone that stupid thinks?

Transgender people shouldn't be ashamed and no one can make them feel bad if we don't let them.

Matthew94:
It's a bit of a split. The majority on the escapist seem to say it's derogatory though I've seen a few transpeople on the net say it isn't.

Also, "dis gonna be gud!"

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EDIT It wasn't gud :(

EDIT2 It could be good!

I was going to read the rest of this thread... But then I got distracted by that man with a chair. o.o

TheDarkestDerp:
Yes it is.

Nothing more to it, really. Doesn't matter how many people want to speak up to say it isn't. If it hurts people, it's hurtful... "nigger" or "nigga", different to different people, multiple definitions, blah blah whatever, most of the B.S. posts I'm seeing here need to stop skirting around that fact.

Pretty simple issue there.

YEAH!!!!! Like when people call me white - It hurts so much! Because that undermines my individual nature. Fucking racists!

I dont want anyone to call me anything that I, in fact, am, unless its cool, because otherwise it hurts. What is cool? That is up to me to decide and for you to find out.... IN COURT!

I find it similar to calling someone "a gay" or a group "gays" instead of "gay person". I'm offended by this because it ignores me as a person, instead implying that my only meaningful trait is that I'm gay. Tranny is the same. In fact, calling a person "a homosexual" or "a transvestite" could be taken this way too...

Revolutionaryloser:
Cutting straight to the point, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out hat it is impolite to refer to transexuals/transvestites (I honestly don't know which) as trannies. When was this decided so and why? For all I knew, tranny didn't really have any other conotation other than a diminutive. Also, I rarely even hear the word at all outside of the LGBT community.

Nah tranny is about as offensive as black, only oversensitive twats get their jimmies rustled over that sort of thing.

Lunar Templar:
since 'tranny' = shortened form of 'Transmission' when ever i use it.

no

I find the use of 'tranny' as an abbreviation for transmission just as offensive :P

Liquidacid23:
anything can be a slur word is used in the right context and tone

It's true. I've had someone try to put me down by saying "YOU THING!"

Lightnr:

TehCookie:
I see tranny similar to gay, it can be a slur or it can just be a shortened word instead of transsexual or homosexual. It depends on the context.

Yea, when someone asks:

"How often have you lubed up your tranny?" or "Has your tranny been playing any tricks on you?"

It makes a difference whether they are a mechanic or not.

Gay can also mean happy, it makes a difference whether they're a poet or not.

GrandmaFunk:

Lunar Templar:
since 'tranny' = shortened form of 'Transmission' when ever i use it.

no

I find the use of 'tranny' as an abbreviation for transmission just as offensive :P

>.> well... best stay out of, well.... every mechanics shop i've ever been around then

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