What's Your Opinion on Supermodels ??

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Raven's Nest:

Liquidacid23:

I dunno but if I had to guess I would have to say it's all about publicity and name recognition.. again like you said .. kinda the same deal with the concept cars

Except the fashion industry's concepts don't really suggest a new creative direction for the company. I don't need to watch every fashion show to know that colours are going to come in, and out of fashion. Because that's all the difference it seems to make in the end.

I have a sneaky suspicion, high street fashion is more dictated by the celebrities attending the fashion shows, than the models and designers involved in them...

It seems like a fashion show is really just a show by designers for designers... Everyone else just waits 5 months and buys whatever Vougue tells them to.

maybe.. but they have to be making a profit off doing it some how otherwise they wouldn't do it... they are businesses after all...

to be honest they probably make enough off of advertisements from broadcasting it and admission prices from people who just want to see those celebrities that are there or "rub noses" with them as an ego stroke to turn a profit and justify it

Raven's Nest:

Onjenae:

the clothes are not made to be worn by the general public *rolleyes* msot of them are jsut concept clothing and showcases of different designs the designer has come out with rarely will you see somebody in real life wearing something shown at a fashion show

You have to admit it's a bit odd, organising huge glamorous shows for the industry's top talent to show off their high concept fashion when all they do afterwards is go back to selling regular clothes. Or if you are Ralph Lauren you get back to your logo stitching machine and churn another 10,000 polo shirts. Does that guy ever bring out new designs?

Sure, it's nice and a spectacle and all. But seems a little... pointless if you aren't even advertising a product. It's almost like there is a disconnect between what the designers want to achieve and what they actually end up doing.

The only other industry that I'm aware of that does this is the car industry and at least their concept cars are actually driven occasionally.

now i admit i dont get it either but its fun to watch and why do the men keep coming in here commenting on the models looks omg fasshion industry does not exist for the owmen to look for men

even if the girls were at a healthy weighy

some of the guys responding seem to think the world revolves around what heterosexual men find attractive as a woman im glad everything doesnt pander to straight men

its get tiring seeing the fan service giving to men everywhere in commercials,books,video games etc

Liquidacid23:

Raven's Nest:

Liquidacid23:

I think a lot of it is that those "designs" are considered more a work of art than practical wear sometimes... it's like those stupid art shows where they have pieces made out of trash glued together... sure people will all come, look at it and chat about it as art but no one would ever want it in their living room

Sure, I get the point of high fashion as works of art. What I don't see the point of is having these events dominated by companies that create mass-produced products.

Fashion is an art. Clothes are consumer goods. Consumer goods =/= Art.

I dunno but if I had to guess I would have to say it's all about publicity and name recognition.. again like you said .. kinda the same deal with the concept cars

thats true

except concept cars dont really draw the same contempt models do i think msot of it comes from being told said model is attractive or and over again.

on the other hand i think most male models are very gorgeous and they do look like guys i see on the street but with better bodies, bone structure and a confidence that msot men seem to lack

i remember going to a fashion show and all the boys had six packs the ladies were in there dying so many sexy men lmaooo too bad the fashion industry doesnt pander to the almight straight male lmaooo

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oh my god he looks like commander shepard!

MEH.

I really don't care one way or the other. I mean... they're pretty, I guess. The male models tend to be sexable to the eyes and I'll probably do some eye sexing when I see one. But... that's it. I suppose I probably think it's impressive you are a model especially when I watch reality shows like "America's Next Top Model" and see why people don't make it as a model.

But yeah... nothing special.

Present me some that actually look like human beings. Then we'll talk.

They lack superpowers. And are very likely to have psychological problems, eating disorders, and drug addictions. If that's what it takes to be super, I'm so happy to be lame.

Liquidacid23:

maybe.. but they have to be making a profit off doing it some how otherwise they wouldn't do it... they are businesses after all...

to be honest they probably make enough off of advertisements from broadcasting it and admission prices from people who just want to see those celebrities that are there or "rub noses" with them as an ego stroke to turn a profit and justify it

Hmm, not sure if profit making or circle jerking...

Onjenae:

now i admit i dont get it either but its fun to watch and why do the men keep coming in here commenting on the models looks omg fasshion industry does not exist for the owmen to look for men

even if the girls were at a healthy weighy

some of tyhe guys responding are dumb and sound sexiest

The shows are pretty cool, and despite popular opinion, cat-walking to supermodel standards ain't no walk in the park.

Well, you asked what does everyone think of models. I have to admit, I'm having difficulty understanding what you are saying because of the way you are writing...

Are you wondering why people in this thread view models as unhealthy and accusing the industry of forcing them to look a certain way to offer what the industry thinks is pleasing to men? (an interesting debate)

Or are you wondering why people are commenting about the models appearances as women instead of as a fashion models? (As in "that model is freaky, would not bang"?)

If it's that last one, it's not sexism it's just human nature. When women read fashion magazines they look at the clothes. Men ignore the clothes and focus on the women, because most men have no interest in clothes... Well, that's what me and a female friend agreed on.

Again, asking people what they think of models is a double question since models are both women and clothes hangers... On a site predominately populated by males who by definition, usually don't care for fashion. Which by the way, has nothing to do with being a nerd or whatever it is you assume they are. It's not surprising no-one is stepping forward with an opinion about fashion itself.

And there is a negative stereotype surrounding models. Skinny, dumb, blah blah...

Onjenae:

its get tiring seeing the fan service giving to men everywhere in commercials,books,video games etc

It's tiring for men who don't objectify women too... But hey ho, sex sells right?

bullet_sandw1ch:

oh my god he looks like commander shepard!

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Raven's Nest:

Liquidacid23:

maybe.. but they have to be making a profit off doing it some how otherwise they wouldn't do it... they are businesses after all...

to be honest they probably make enough off of advertisements from broadcasting it and admission prices from people who just want to see those celebrities that are there or "rub noses" with them as an ego stroke to turn a profit and justify it

Hmm, not sure if profit making or circle jerking...

Onjenae:

now i admit i dont get it either but its fun to watch and why do the men keep coming in here commenting on the models looks omg fasshion industry does not exist for the owmen to look for men

even if the girls were at a healthy weighy

some of tyhe guys responding are dumb and sound sexiest

The shows are pretty cool, and despite popular opinion, cat-walking to supermodel standards ain't no walk in the park.

Well, you asked what does everyone think of models. I have to admit, I'm having difficulty understanding what you are saying because of the way you are writing...

Are you wondering why people in this thread view models as unhealthy and accusing the industry of forcing them to look a certain way to offer what the industry thinks is pleasing to men? (an interesting debate)

Or are you wondering why people are commenting about the models appearances as women instead of as a fashion models? (As in "that model is freaky, would not bang"?)

If it's that last one, it's not sexism it's just human nature. When women read fashion magazines they look at the clothes. Men ignore the clothes and focus on the women, because most men have no interest in clothes... Well, that's what me and a female friend agreed on.

Again, asking people what they think of models is a double question since models are both women and clothes hangers... On a site predominately populated by males who by definition, usually don't care for fashion. Which by the way, has nothing to do with being a nerd or whatever it is you assume they are. It's not surprising no-one is stepping forward with an opinion about fashion itself.

And there is a negative stereotype surrounding models. Skinny, dumb, blah blah...

sorry about that i went back and edited my post lol im typing on my phone and having trouble with this touch screen lol

well men not carting for fashion depends on where you are in europe i notice the men tend to be more well put together,clean cut and overall the put more thoguht into their apperance than american males

in america when a man is clean cut and dresses nice you guys label him gay lol i dont understand that i love a well dressed man

btw yes i was wondering why the men kept talking about the model's apperance i can see if we were talking about playboy models,fhm models,video vixens,porn stars or even swimsuit models but im not i am talking about runway models so there apperance really doesnt matter

i already know a good portion of me n would bang the other set of models lol they already spend large amounts of time jacking off to their pictures

Raven's Nest:

Onjenae:

its get tiring seeing the fan service giving to men everywhere in commercials,books,video games etc

It's tiring for men who don't objectify women too... But hey ho, sex sells right?

bullet_sandw1ch:

oh my god he looks like commander shepard!

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lmaooo thats the same person right ????

whats that mans name i want to know for research purposes ? :)

Onjenae:

sorry about that i went back and edited my post lol im typing on my phone and having trouble with this touch screen lol

well men not carting for fashion depends on where you are in europe i notice the men tend to be more well put together,clean cut and overall the put more thoguht into their apperance than american males

in america when a man is clean cut and dresses nice you guys label him gay lol i dont understand that i love a well dressed man

btw yes i was wondering why the men kept talking about the model's apperance i can see if we were talking about playboy models,fhm models,video vixens,porn stars or even swimsuit models but im not i am talking about runway models so there apperance really doesnt matter

i already know a good portion of me n would bang the other set of models lol they already spend large amounts of time jacking off to their pictures

That's okay, I struggle to do the same on mine.

I'm in the UK by the way, to give context. When I say men don't care about fashion, I meant men don't care about female fashion. Ladies didn't model men's clothes last I checked ;) Obviously we were flicking through the ladies section of a fashion magazine. I don't even have a vested interest in fashion so I couldn't tell you why. Oh wait, yeah I was looking at the women...

Men (can't say the same for boys), in the UK generally care what they look like and will often dress pretty respectably. I was in Florida last month and went out to a (really) nice bar wearing boots, smart jeans, shirt and a jacket. The local guy I went to the bar with wore the same polo shirt, baggy jeans and trainers he was wearing all day. So too were his mates and many of the other young men in the bar. I was quite surprised at that because this was a pretty exclusive bar in down-town Tampa, needed a password to get in, private booths, great cocktails, personal bartender, everything. So yeah, I can totally see where you're coming from on the young american males making little effort front.

Again, all I can really say is that men will always judge women on their appearance regardless of context. It's just what we do. Coming to this site of all places looking for meaningful discussion was never likely to be all that fruitful to be honest.

The male model I posted earlier is Mark Vanderloo, he's a pretty prolific model and quite a handsome chap I must say, even if he's getting on a bit...

hulksmashley:
I think all of the fabulous gay men in the fashion industry are slowly turning the physical ideal of a woman into their physical ideal of a man.

Just sayin.

*Dramatic music cue!!!!* (Otherwise known as na-na-naaaaahhh) I do believe you are onto something. Bony masculine features, expression less faces, rail thin with almost non existent breasts, tall with long muscular legs....

Onjenae:

TheVioletBandit:

Onjenae:

well everyone cant be model and like i said you seem quite bitter and no i dont need to find a fashion forum lol

I seem bitter because I don't regard walking as a talent? I think your trying to rationalize a belief by projecting falsity's onto those that would disagree with it. Now, in regards to your claim that not everyone can be a model, I disagree. If you have mastered the art of walking, and putting on clothes you can be a model, as no talent is required. Now, before you say "well i say you cant no look like model can" I'll say this: Maybe, maybe not, but a model can't really take credit for the features they were born with, or paid a doctor to give them. That argument still in no way suggests any kind of talent.

again that is not true but like i said your a nerd and i do not mean that as an insult. nerds usually think different than most of the generally population :)

the word talent is subjective in itself because honestly theres alot of things people do in this world that really requires not much talent and generally you would only considered it talented if you was interested or liked that particular type of work

I don't consider myself a "nerd" that "thinks differently" than the rest of the public, but I do consider you saying so an insult, whether you intend it to be one or not. As for talent, I don't think it's as subjective as you might think. Talent is defined as a "special" ability, aptitude, of faculty above the average ability. If a person meets this qualification then their talented, if not then their not talented. Subjectivity may be applied to how amazing, cool, stupid, useful, useless, or whatever a talent may or may not be, but that's it. So as far as modeling goes you could say something like, I want to be a model, because I don't have the talent or intelligence to do anything else, but you would never say I want to be a model because I am so talented.

They TERRIFY me.

Goddammit, have they never heard of "protein" or "plant fats" or, in many cases, "eating"?

In terms of what they do, I don't think badly of them. They don't do much onstage, but photoshoots are a hassle, as is the scheduling and process of staying in "desirable" shape.

Onjenae:

Raven's Nest:

Onjenae:

the clothes are not made to be worn by the general public *rolleyes* msot of them are jsut concept clothing and showcases of different designs the designer has come out with rarely will you see somebody in real life wearing something shown at a fashion show

You have to admit it's a bit odd, organising huge glamorous shows for the industry's top talent to show off their high concept fashion when all they do afterwards is go back to selling regular clothes. Or if you are Ralph Lauren you get back to your logo stitching machine and churn another 10,000 polo shirts. Does that guy ever bring out new designs?

Sure, it's nice and a spectacle and all. But seems a little... pointless if you aren't even advertising a product. It's almost like there is a disconnect between what the designers want to achieve and what they actually end up doing.

The only other industry that I'm aware of that does this is the car industry and at least their concept cars are actually driven occasionally.

now i admit i dont get it either but its fun to watch and why do the men keep coming in here commenting on the models looks omg fasshion industry does not exist for the owmen to look for men

even if the girls were at a healthy weighy

some of the guys responding seem to think the world revolves around what heterosexual men find attractive as a woman im glad everything doesnt pander to straight men

its get tiring seeing the fan service giving to men everywhere in commercials,books,video games etc

It's interesting how you see men talking about the appearance of models as annoy when just the other day you where going on about nerds being "ugly as hell" and thought that was perfectly acceptable.

Onjenae:

Neverhoodian:
I believe Edna Mode from The Incredibles put it best:

"'Supermodels,' hah! Nothing 'super' about them! Spoiled, stupid little stick figures with poofy lips that only think about themselves."

When I see the emaciated figures of most supermodels nowadays, my first thought isn't "she's hot." Instead it's "get that girl a cheeseburger, pronto!"

i should have known the response i would get on a site full of nerds lol

I'm not sure if anyone else has called you out on this, but this seems unnecessarily derogatory considering the validity of the point made.

OT: A bizarre lifestyle choice, and not one I'd wish on anyone. Your job is to be judged on every aspect of your appearance, before being dressed up and paraded in front of the media. However, I don't understand any aspect of so-called 'high fashion', such as why none of the clothes are even remotely close to something anyone would wear, even for something like a red carpet event.

TheVioletBandit:
So as modeling goes you could say something like, I want to be a model because I don't have the talent or intelligence to do anything else, but you would never say I want to be a model because I am so talented.

Except this is completely incorrect. Great models aren't considered great because they look skinnier, prettier or wear clothes better. Think of fashion photography, the task for a model to evoke feeling from a static image is a talent. It takes hard work to achieve and even then there are thousands of girls who don't make the cut. The model has to work with the photographer, respond to his/her cues to produce the result. If you think it is all the photographers skill you would be wrong.

The same with runway modelling. It takes the same feats of self discipline, grace and rhythm required by ballet dancers, gymnasts and figure skaters. The only difference is pace...

Spot1990:
Met a few models, they were actually decent people. Fuck, two of them were doing a fashion show near where I work and came in, they were two of the very few customers I've seen that treated the retail staff like actual human beings. I think a lot of the bitterness that surrounds them, the idea that models can't be intelligent, nice people just comes from people being upset that they're attractive. It's a weird notion you seen thrown around a lot, that good looking people never have good personalities.

Thank-you!! I was reading through this thread getting super angry at all the people shaming models for being skinny and pretty. Sure eating disorders are never good, but not all models are anorexic. But anyways, most of them DO have decent personalities and some amount of intelligence.

Let's look at how the fashion industry works: designers/creative directors for magazines or what have you are the ones that hire models. And no one wants to work with a personality-less bitch. They are more likely to hire someone who is pleasant and interesting! Models are usually very polite, charming, and usually very knowledgeable about the history of fashion, know multiple languages, and are in general fairly intelligent. Of course there are exceptions (ever watch America's next top model?? some girls on that show make me want to punch them repeatedly)

Also, there is nothing wrong with being thin. ALL BODIES ARE GOOD BODIES. Anorexia and bulimia suck, and the people with those disorders are suffering so let's not shame them and act like they can simply stop being anorexic/bulimic whenever they want.

Not much to say here, most of them look like they're victims of concentration camps or have radiation poisoning. But I guess since they're not "fat" and have nice hair they're "hot".

I miss real women.

I was always disappointed about how they did not actually have super powers...

Onjenae:

Spot1990:
Met a few models, they were actually decent people. Fuck, two of them were doing a fashion show near where I work and came in, they were two of the very few customers I've seen that treated the retail staff like actual human beings. I think a lot of the bitterness that surrounds them, the idea that models can't be intelligent, nice people just comes from people being upset that they're attractive. It's a weird notion you seen thrown around a lot, that good looking people never have good personalities.

what are there names :) lol you seem different than some of the guys on here alot of the men on here seem bitter towards women than again most men who have the "nerd" or "nice guy" label usually hate nad absolutely despise women

Wow. Just fucking wow. No, the guys on here aren't bitter towards women, they're expressing opinions about the 'ideal look' supermodels are supposed to represent.

And speaking as both a 'nerd' and a 'nice guy', we don't "hate and absolutely despise women", what the hell? There's often some complaints about the 'friend-zone' situation, but this has absolutely nothing to do with a general feeling of contempt for females in general.

As a side note, I find all of your posts exceptionally difficult to read. Consider learning such basic punctuation as the full-stop, which is used in the English language to denote the end of a sentence.

Raven's Nest:

TheVioletBandit:
So as modeling goes you could say something like, I want to be a model because I don't have the talent or intelligence to do anything else, but you would never say I want to be a model because I am so talented.

Except this is completely incorrect. Great models aren't considered great because they look skinnier, prettier or wear clothes better. Think of fashion photography, the task for a model to evoke feeling from a static image is a talent. It takes hard work to achieve and even then there are thousands of girls who don't make the cut. The model has to work with the photographer, respond to his/her cues to produce the result. If you think it is all the photographers skill you would be wrong.

The same with runway modelling. It takes the same feats of self discipline, grace and rhythm required by ballet dancers, gymnasts and figure skaters. The only difference is pace...

Okay, I see your point, and I would have to agree. If a model is able to express powerful emotion though body language or kinesthetics while on the runway at a level that is above average then I agree; I have never seen such a thing, but if it's real I agree.

TheVioletBandit:

Onjenae:

Raven's Nest:

You have to admit it's a bit odd, organising huge glamorous shows for the industry's top talent to show off their high concept fashion when all they do afterwards is go back to selling regular clothes. Or if you are Ralph Lauren you get back to your logo stitching machine and churn another 10,000 polo shirts. Does that guy ever bring out new designs?

Sure, it's nice and a spectacle and all. But seems a little... pointless if you aren't even advertising a product. It's almost like there is a disconnect between what the designers want to achieve and what they actually end up doing.

The only other industry that I'm aware of that does this is the car industry and at least their concept cars are actually driven occasionally.

now i admit i dont get it either but its fun to watch and why do the men keep coming in here commenting on the models looks omg fasshion industry does not exist for the owmen to look for men

even if the girls were at a healthy weighy

some of the guys responding seem to think the world revolves around what heterosexual men find attractive as a woman im glad everything doesnt pander to straight men

its get tiring seeing the fan service giving to men everywhere in commercials,books,video games etc

It's interesting how you see men talking about the appearance of models as annoy when just the other day you where going on about nerds being "ugly as hell" and thought that was perfectly acceptable.

i never said nerds was ugly as hell i said nice guys were big difference. Also when it comes to nice guys and models is there are actually a groups of people who find models appealing on the other hand most women dont find nice guys appealing at least self proclaimed "nice guys" and my vagina sure doesnt find nice guys appealing lol a nice guys is like a limp dick he is utterly useless and i dont want it

i rather have this

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TheBobmus:

Onjenae:

Spot1990:
Met a few models, they were actually decent people. Fuck, two of them were doing a fashion show near where I work and came in, they were two of the very few customers I've seen that treated the retail staff like actual human beings. I think a lot of the bitterness that surrounds them, the idea that models can't be intelligent, nice people just comes from people being upset that they're attractive. It's a weird notion you seen thrown around a lot, that good looking people never have good personalities.

what are there names :) lol you seem different than some of the guys on here alot of the men on here seem bitter towards women than again most men who have the "nerd" or "nice guy" label usually hate nad absolutely despise women

Wow. Just fucking wow. No, the guys on here aren't bitter towards women, they're expressing opinions about the 'ideal look' supermodels are supposed to represent.

And speaking as both a 'nerd' and a 'nice guy', we don't "hate and absolutely despise women", what the hell? There's often some complaints about the 'friend-zone' situation, but this has absolutely nothing to do with a general feeling of contempt for females in general.

As a side note, I find all of your posts exceptionally difficult to read. Consider learning such basic punctuation as the full-stop, which is used in the English language to denote the end of a sentence.

i wasnt refering to this thread btw there alot of threads on here full of misogny and yes the nice guys do seem to think there entitled to women just because there nice and seem pretty bitter about it.

being nice does not mean im going to like you or give two shits about you the sooner nice guys learn that the easier it will be for them to handle rejection and stop blaming all there problems on the women who reject them.

did you read that thread alotr of thoes guys were acting like jsut because a female was ncie to them and he listen to her bitch and complain he was entitled to a relationship with her when truly he is not.

nice guys annoy me i hate them so im done with this subject

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TheVioletBandit:

Raven's Nest:

TheVioletBandit:
So as modeling goes you could say something like, I want to be a model because I don't have the talent or intelligence to do anything else, but you would never say I want to be a model because I am so talented.

Except this is completely incorrect. Great models aren't considered great because they look skinnier, prettier or wear clothes better. Think of fashion photography, the task for a model to evoke feeling from a static image is a talent. It takes hard work to achieve and even then there are thousands of girls who don't make the cut. The model has to work with the photographer, respond to his/her cues to produce the result. If you think it is all the photographers skill you would be wrong.

The same with runway modelling. It takes the same feats of self discipline, grace and rhythm required by ballet dancers, gymnasts and figure skaters. The only difference is pace...

Okay, I see your point, and I would have to agree. If a model is able to express powerful emotion though body language or kinesthetics while on the runway at a level that is above average then I agree; I have never seen such a thing, but if it's real I agree.

maybe not on the runway but if you watched the two videos i posted alot of thoes ladies take amazing pictures.

i know alot of beautiful woman and no maount of photoshop or makeup is going to make them look like that because generally they take horrible photos the type of female who looks better in person than she does in pictures

on the other hand alot of models look betteer in pictures than they do in person some of them look absolutely stunning in there pictures but horrible in person and they really know how to sell what ever there modeling.

btw you dudes keep seeming to ignore other models exist besides runway models victoria secert models,swimsuit models, sports illustrated,commercial models,glamour models which are the type of models you guys spend your time masturbating to the tend to have big fake breasts,bleach blonde hair and appear in magazines like playboy,fhm,maxim etc

Dr. Dice Lord:
Not much to say here, most of them look like they're victims of concentration camps or have radiation poisoning. But I guess since they're not "fat" and have nice hair they're "hot".

I miss real women.

Um. Since when does being thin make a woman not real? Even if they're suffering from anorexia that doesn't mean they're less of a woman. That just means they have a disorder. ALL BODIES ARE GOOD BODIES. A woman with curves isn't any more of a woman than one who's thin. Shaming a woman for being thin is not right, and neither is shaming a woman for being fat. All woman are equal.

TheVioletBandit:

Okay, I see your point, and I would have to agree. If a model is able to express powerful emotion though body language or kinesthetics while on the runway at a level that is above average then I agree; I have never seen such a thing, but if it's real I agree.

I've caught a couple of programs on it (thanks to the ex), it's quite an interesting process how these elaborate shots are composed taking into account the settings, the costumes and the general vibe of the shoot. The model is the final piece of the puzzle, without them there just isn't anything to focus on. The best photo models can just grab you with their eyes and make you feel or think things that can be completely unexpected.

As I said earlier in an another post, I don't particularly care for fashion but I do likes my art. I can assure you, supermodels work just as hard as any other creative individual. Imagine yourself being asked "Okay violet, I want you to give me a look that says "I dare you to follow me into wonderland"... What would you do?

Another key thing is how do you separate glamour modelling (which is anything aimed at objectifying the model and making themselves as "sexy" as possible) and professional underwear modelling? Talent... Look at the two pictures here bare in mind the above paragraph, I hope it will highlight the difference...

Apart from moderate arousal, I feel nothing for this picture. I don't care who she is, I don't care what she's thinking (likely not much) her job is to stand there and look pretty. Wam bam thankyou mam.


The Victoria's Secret model however, Well hello there... Suddenly you have a much higher arousal factor (and the you can look like me factor for the ladies, the intended audience believe it or not). Suddenly the game has changed, I'm now wondering who this woman is and I'm dying to know what she means by that look... It's hooked me in and if I can tear myself away for a minute, I might just notice the advert and buy a set of VS undies for the missus.

Catching on?

Uh... they're generally sexy(ish) I guess.

Onjenae:
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I wasn't referring to this thread - there are a lot of threads on here full of misogyny - and yes, the nice guys do seem to think they're entitled to women just because they're nice, and seem pretty bitter about it.

Being nice does not mean I'm going to like you or give two shits about you; the sooner nice guys learn that, the easier it will be for them to handle rejection and stop blaming all their problems on the women who reject them.

Did you read that thread? A lot of those guys were acting like just because a female was nice to them, and he listens to her bitch and complain, he was entitled to a relationship with her, when truly he is not.

Nice guys annoy me. I hate them so I'm done with this subject.

I tidied this up to be in the English language.

You claimed that nice guys 'hate and absolutely despise women', and now you say you hate nice guys? Which is it?

I presume here we are talking about the stereotypical 'nice guy', who feels entitled to a relationship for being nice to someone. This is not a nice guy, this is a whining douche. They may feel bitter towards the women who have rejected their advances, but I don't think 'most of them' hate women in general (as you claimed) because of this!

These people are the exception to the rule, and to say that 'most of the guys on here' are like that is exceptionally offensive to the community as a whole. I would ask you to retract that statement.

The only thing I can say is that I find it fucking hilarious that "plus size" models are average sized ladies in the real world (least last time I looked at 'em).

I laughed so hard when I found that out.

Raven's Nest:

TheVioletBandit:

Okay, I see your point, and I would have to agree. If a model is able to express powerful emotion though body language or kinesthetics while on the runway at a level that is above average then I agree; I have never seen such a thing, but if it's real I agree.

I've caught a couple of programs on it (thanks to the ex), it's quite an interesting process how these elaborate shots are composed taking into account the settings, the costumes and the general vibe of the shoot. The model is the final piece of the puzzle, without them there just isn't anything to focus on. The best photo models can just grab you with their eyes and make you feel or think things that can be completely unexpected.

As I said earlier in an another post, I don't particularly care for fashion but I do likes my art. I can assure you, supermodels work just as hard as any other creative individual. Imagine yourself being asked "Okay violet, I want you to give me a look that says "I dare you to follow me into wonderland"... What would you do?

Another key thing is how do you separate glamour modelling (which is anything aimed at objectifying the model and making themselves as "sexy" as possible) and professional underwear modelling? Talent... Look at the two pictures here bare in mind the above paragraph, I hope it will highlight the difference...

Apart from moderate arousal, I feel nothing for this picture. I don't care who she is, I don't care what she's thinking (likely not much) her job is to stand there and look pretty. Wam bam thankyou mam.


The Victoria's Secret model however, Well hello there... Suddenly you have a much higher arousal factor (and the you can look like me factor for the ladies, the intended audience believe it or not). Suddenly the game has changed, I'm now wondering who this woman is and I'm dying to know what she means by that look... It's hooked me in and if I can tear myself away for a minute, I might just notice the advert and buy a set of VS undies for the missus.

Catching on?

Yeah, I see what your getting at, though the second image isn't as exciting to me as say a work of Gustave Klimt's who could make a women seem powerful, beautiful, and sexy instead of just striping them down and having them put on their best come hither look. It's cool that your into art though; I happen to be an artist myself, and am going to graduate school for art.

Onjenae:

TheVioletBandit:

Raven's Nest:

Except this is completely incorrect. Great models aren't considered great because they look skinnier, prettier or wear clothes better. Think of fashion photography, the task for a model to evoke feeling from a static image is a talent. It takes hard work to achieve and even then there are thousands of girls who don't make the cut. The model has to work with the photographer, respond to his/her cues to produce the result. If you think it is all the photographers skill you would be wrong.

The same with runway modelling. It takes the same feats of self discipline, grace and rhythm required by ballet dancers, gymnasts and figure skaters. The only difference is pace...

Okay, I see your point, and I would have to agree. If a model is able to express powerful emotion though body language or kinesthetics while on the runway at a level that is above average then I agree; I have never seen such a thing, but if it's real I agree.

maybe not on the runway but if you watched the two videos i posted alot of thoes ladies take amazing pictures.

i know alot of beautiful woman and no maount of photoshop or makeup is going to make them look like that because generally they take horrible photos the type of female who looks better in person than she does in pictures

on the other hand alot of models look betteer in pictures than they do in person some of them look absolutely stunning in there pictures but horrible in person and they really know how to sell what ever there modeling.

btw you dudes keep seeming to ignore other models exist besides runway models victoria secert models,swimsuit models, sports illustrated,commercial models,glamour models which are the type of models you guys spend your time masturbating to the tend to have big fake breasts,bleach blonde hair and appear in magazines like playboy,fhm,maxim etc

Do you ever post anything that doesn't have an insulting sexist generalization in it? Also this is like the third or fourth post I have read of yours where you talk about the male escapist users jacking off to something. Why do you think you know what we jack off to or if we jack off at all? and why are you so obsession with us jacking off in the first place? You obviously hate men or at least "ugly nerds" as you call them, so can we just keep my dick and what I do, or don't do with it out of the conversation.

as far as I know modeling is not as glamourous as it may seem...aside from it being highly competitive and short lived..you dont even get paid that much

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