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I was about to switch to another thread, but then I ran into posts back-to-back using lines of reasoning that annoy the crap out of me. To the authors of these posts, I apologize for singling you out. This isn't personal, and it isn't so much about your opinions themselves or the content of your posts so much as that I've simply seen these particular kinds of argument far too many times and would like to address them.
First off, speaking as an atheist, I don't care about logical proof where truth claims are concerned. A logical argument is only as good as the premises upon which it is based, and it is all too easy to include a flawed premise given our incomplete understanding of the universe. What I do care about is empirical evidence. Simply making a claim that "you can't disprove" is pointless. There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong that are equally non-falsifiable. Unless you can provide some evidence that would make your claim worth considering I'm simply going to toss it on the vast heap of claims that failed to meet their burden of proof (that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence). You also don't have to know everything to know when something is incorrect. In fact, while you can never know if you are right, it can be trivially easy to know if you are wrong. An incorrect theory can be demonstrated false with a single fact, but even if you had the truth there would be know way of knowing whether you actually knew the truth, or merely something indistinguishable from the truth given the limits of your experience or experimental equipment. The whole point of conducting experiments is to determine the characteristics that the truth would have to have, so that you can eliminate any theories that don't have those qualities and build new theories that do. None of these theories may be correct, but within the limits of our power to observe, a well crafted theory will have all the qualities of the truth, and if nothing else, will at least be useful until a better theory comes along. For instance, say a hypothetical caveman, with no prior knowledge on the subject, wanted to know the value of pi. After carving several stone wheels as carefully as possible and carefully measuring the distance that they traveled along the ground in one revolution in terms of wheel diameters he came to the conclusion that pi was between 3.1 and 3.2. Furthermore, lets say he split the difference and declared that pi was equal to 3.15. Say another hypothetical caveman came along and declared (with no research at all) that pi was equal to exactly 3. The first caveman doesn't know the exact value of pi, and his best guess isn't correct, but he can still say with certainty that the second caveman is wrong. And while neither caveman may be right, the first is still less wrong than the second.
This is an example of the argument from ignorance (basically Y must be true because I don't understand how X could be true, or Y must be true because I can't think of a better way). While I certainly give you credit for at least admitting the possibility of ignorance (this kind of self-knowledge is sadly rare), would it be so much harder to simply admit that you don't know? The simple fact that you can't think of a better way, or that something doesn't make sense to you doesn't suddenly make any opinion you may have on the matter more valid. If you can't live with not knowing, good, you're halfway there, now go learn something. This is the information age after all; it has never been easier to acquire new knowledge. Also, with regards to evolution specifically, most people are lumping several distinct facts and theories together and labeling them the "theory of evolution." Evolution itself, or the change in heritable characteristics across generations, has been observed repeatedly both in the lab and in nature and has been an accepted fact since before Darwin (who proposed the theory of natural selection, not evolution). Darwin's theory (natural selection) was the second major theory that attempted to explain evolution, the previous one being Lamarkism, or the theory that traits acquired during an organism's life were passed down to its offspring. In addition there are tons of separate evolutionary theories dealing with the evolution of particular species or groups of species. With those theories, there is a great deal of debate, not over whether or not evolution occurred, but rather how it occurred (much like the debate over gravity isn't about whether it exists, but how it works). | |
Start with the fun one Ok done with religious ones Oblivion > Skyrim | |
Oh snap, I just remembered another one. A lot of people are gonna get mad after I say this. | |
I think action horror games like Dead Space are better, conceptually, than their actually-scary survival horror cousins. It's a matter of what those two different genres say in terms of theme. Survival horror is all about living in a world full of awful, terrifying things that you'll never be able to truly defeat, and the only thing you can ever hope for is to simply survive against them (and sometimes not even that, depending on how much of a downer ending the game wants to go for). In a properly-made action horror game on the other hand, while there are certainly awful, terrifying things about, the game will depict some hero who's skilled, strong-willed, and clever enough to overcome and defeat those things, or it'll simply opt to take the bite out of those scary things by being campy and humorous. While there is definitely something to be said for the thrill of a good scare, which only survival horror can properly provide, I just prefer to have a positive message. The problem with action horror is that whenever a developer sets out to design what should obviously be in the action horror genre, they usually end up trying to force it to have the bleak, hopeless themes of survival horror, and it inevitably ends up just being some tonally-broken mutant hybrid of these two very different, distinct genres. So the players wanting survival horror will end up disappointed because the game isn't scary, and the people wanting action horror will just think the game's retarded for trying to be so bleak when the main character's running around blasting zombies with a rocket launcher. For this reason, the only truly great action horror games I've played are Dead Space 2 and Resident Evil 4 (the thematic equivalents of Aliens and a cheesy B-movie, respectively), which isn't a whole lot when compared to all the great survival horror out there. | |
You're aware that the major overpopulation is happening in 3rd world countries, and populations in places like Australia would be declining if not for an increased foreign presence, right?
There's this special sunglasses stuff that produces the appearance of rainbows whenever you look at a reflective surface/sky. I just noticed the other day that my prescription sunglasses have it, so I can marvel at rainbows whenever I want and nobody can call me gay because they don't even know it's happening. | |
Women who like sex aren't bad and should not be called names. Everyone regardless of sex, gender identity, sexual preferences, race, etc should have equal rights. Americans need to stop telling me I spell words like colour and flavour wrong. Also, religious people who have to bring their religion into EVERYTHING and shove it in everyone's faces and down their throats should never hold a public office and should have some sense beaten into them so they stop. Because honestly I'm tired of being damned to hell and having different Christian beliefs shoved down my throat by people at gas stations whilst filling up my car and them not listening when I say I'm not interested. | |
I'm against gay marriage. | |
I like this guy | |
Are they allowed to hit you back? Who decides what's offensive? | |
Double post | |
Besides provide a joy to their parents that is unmatched by anything else on Earth and of which any parent would never trade away, no matter how hard it can be to deal with. What selfish little bastards. ITT: people pretending to be above others despite being pseudo nihilists, due not to a genuine dislike of humanity, but from being rejected from it. In other news, lonely nerds gon' pretend to be aloof. | |
We shouldn't have given up on game cartridges. If Sega were to come back into the console market with a dedicated games machine that played nothing but cartridges...well, I probably wouldn't buy it (grew up in a Nintendo house after all) but I would probably consider picking one up. Also old games were better than current games are. Online Passes and, other codes are bullshit, arcades need to come back, blah-blah-blah. | |
Yeah they're allowed to hit you back. Or block your hit. It's called self-defense. And the person who gets offended decides what's offensive. | |
I liked, and still do like, Extra Credits. | |
Dude... neither of those words have a "u". Silly Brit.
This is actually a really good point, and I've gotta agree with it. I definitely prefer action horror over survival horror, but I'd never even thought about it until I read this. | |
The amount of sexism that gets a pass around here sometimes makes me think that people are actively trying to discourage women being here. The gaming community wonders why there are no ladies about, while doing its best to keep them out. You can probably tell I've had about enough recently. | |
Fallout: New Vegas was disappointing in many ways, still a good game though. Pokemon Generation 4 was the worst (not sure about how people feel about that one) Final Fantasy 13-2 is a great game, marred by a few flaws. Extra Credits was pretentious and boring as hell and the jimquisition is superior in every way (at least Jim has fucking humor) The catholic church is the worlds largest criminal organization in history and slowing down the progress of mankind. I have a personal grudge against them as well. The hide pedophiles and child molesters and still have support from retards who refuse to see the truth behind the hypocrisy. /rant Popular games don't suck in every conceivable way (after being on this forum, this is the vibe I get from the community) | |
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I Like Electronic Arts! *Ducks into fallout shelter* | |
I think Skyrim is overrated. It does so many things bad that Fallout 3 did right, and that came out right before Skyrim. It also never had any of the kind of moments that really make you want to tell your friends about. | |
I like Howard the Duck. I think it's a fucking awesome movie and one of Tim Robbins most enjoyable performances. | |
I don't care what anyone says, Hayden Christensen played a better Darth Vader than James Earl Jones. | |
Well I do know that I've had to remind people that pedophilia isn't the same as child mol-
Fuck. Well speaking of the death penalty, I don't think we should have it. Instead I think those on death row should have scientific tests done on them. To specify, the tests that are brought upon animals. It just seems more likely to work and they're being punished for the crimes they commited. Plus a man who murdered one man, could save the lives of millions.
Yeah, and my respect just dropped for you considerably (Not that you may value it but still(Because of what I'm about to say)) I was in fact raised as a protestant, yet that doesn't mean I run around yelling "Praise the lord!" I also have still to read the bible, and I don't think that God went *poof* and man was born. I have my own personal theory's (which are in fact based on scientific facts) Sorry for the rant, its just I thought beliefs could be respected. | |
Well many parts of the world agree with you.. Here in Denmark we've had free health care for ages now, thinking of a country where health care isn't free is crazy to us. It's reverse over here. No health care is just madness! My unpopular opinions: I don't mind prostitution, don't see why it shouldn't be legalized. People complain "Oh well they are forced to be prostitutes", well that isn't a problem with prostitution, but instead being robbed of personal freedom, which certainly shouldn't be allowed. Also I don't see why people detest sex with animals. It's not that i condone it myself, but people are against it. I asked my friend recently what his problem was with it (the subject sorta came up), and he said it's sad for the animals, to which i replied they might actually want to (I dunno, a dog humping a leg is usually indication of that). After that he had NO argument. I also don't see why cannibalism should be immoral. If the person is alive, of course murdering him is not cool, but if dead.. They might aswell bring some use to the rest of us. Then again, I don't think i'd ever taste human meat myself.. | |
Way I've always viewed is Marriage is (or should be) the actual commitment stage of a marriage. Even if you're in a relationship, you should still be free to break it off if you don't feel it's working, and should be able to (though you may not want to) pursue other options and other people. In a relationship where both parties are open Mariage serves a purpose as the point where you say "I've looked and looked, but there's nobody better for me than you and i want to be with you forever". Admittedly, in many relationships where people are committed to only each other it's kind of pointless, an antiquated rule from the time where you had to be married before you could have sex. However, marriage is still a legal contract that guarantees certain privileges of one spouse to another. For example, upon death, if there is no will, the spouse is the default recipient. Also in many countries only certain benefits may be obtained by married couples, and marriage acts as a visa to stay in the spouses country. Plus weddings don't need to be big and complicated. You can get married for about $50, all you need is a legally ordained minister, and two witnesses, and takes about 20 minutes. Most however like to romanticize it, so you do get big cermons, with hundreds of attendees and massively expensive costs, as a lot of women, and quite a few men, want the day to be something special, and something perfect. | |
One child per couple? | |
I'm not going to flame you, honest, but I just want to point out that with the exception of newly industrialising countries like China and India, most '1st World' nations actually have the exact opposite population problem, with people having smaller families later in life for the sake of their careers. Combine this with the baby boomers of the 50's and 60's entering retirement and expecting to live longer than any generation before them, and we have a population distribution that is far too top heavy, with not enough young people to support all the old age pensioners. Italy and Germany are already pretty much at crisis point and other countries like the US and the UK aren't far behind. So if anything we need to be encouraging young people to have more kids, earlier, and encouraging all the 65+'s to take up skydiving. For the economy of course. | |
I'm pretty popular with my opinions. I do however have a friend who thinks incest should be allowed, provided you don't concive. | |
Here's the argument. Penis size. Depending on the animal involved, a human cock is either too small to be noticed, so the animal wouldn't be overly bothered, or too big and would cause severe internal damage. Human cocks are only designed to fit humans, not ducks or horses. Furthermore animals have different ways of doing things. A dog for instance will become familiar with another dog by sniffing it's butt. This doesn't work for humans, we have an entirely different social protocol. Furthermore, in the dog example. Dogs don't actually have sex that way. That is merely an attempt to initiate sex. Dogs aren't exactly bright enough to tell what is and isn't a dog when they're horny, but humping is not the act of sex, it's the act of initiating sex. Just because a dog is humping doesn't mean it wants to have sex with your leg, it can be a sign of other things such as close affection, or playfulness. Animals never really want to have sex with humans. They seldom ever want to have sex with anything that isn't close to their species (very few animals mate outside their species, and then only with similar animals such as lions and tigers, or donkeys and horses). Plus animals lack the ability to know quite whats going on to the same level humans do, and there's no way of definitively knowing if it's something they actually want, or, like in a lot of female animals cases, something that just happens. In nature, a lot of female animals pretty much just lie back and take it, they don't actively pursue it, but they let it happen, because that's how breeding works for them. The males do all the work, so they just sort of stand there and let them do what they have to. If it's in their nature to be complacent and not react when being mated with, how can you actually tell if they want it with their own species, much less a human? | |
Okay, knock it off with the "Who decides..." bullshit. That's a copout. The line is pretty ambiguous... | |
He did say "Until sustainable". I.e. he wants to limit the amount to one per couple to half the population of each country, each generation until it reaches a deemed sustainable level, upon which he'd either allow multiple births again, or limit it to two for two. | |
I am of the opinion that other peoples opinions are wrong. It tends not to sit well with others... | |
Different thing entirely. If the animals is hurting, of course it shouldn't be allowed. As a matter of fact some countries allow sex with animals, as long as the animal isn't hurting. And there are cases, trust me, where a dog would jump on a human who is down like a dog, and initiate full-on sex. It has happened before. At that point I don't think the human can be blamed, and called a whore for allowing it.
It should be allowed aswell. In Switzerland incest is allowed (of course first when both partners are 18). Of course this establishes the problem of sick people, that would raise their children to believe that incest was completely natural, and that everyone does it. It's sorta a risk to take. | |
i agree with all of these. I will also add in that i believe most drugs should be legalized. If only for the fact that at least it would be money in rather than money out and that the police could focus on important stuff. Also minecraft,skyrim,mlp are terrible. And religion should be kept separate of school state and science. Intelligent design my ass. Oh and sports fans who start fights (proper physical ones)with each other should be signed up for mandatory military service. | |
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I think that some races may be smarter on average than others. Not that it should matter, because even if, (for example), whites have an average IQ of 100 and blacks have only 90, there are still black people who are smarter than white people, which IMO would logically result in no legal action being taken if society regarded this as true, (not that they would in the foreseeable future).
I also think that if a man wants a woman to get an abortion and she refuses, then the man has no responsibility to take care of the child. This isn't actually that controversial but it sprung to mind.
OP's claim that people who have children as being immoral is silly to me, probably because there's no biologically advantage reason to believe that, and that if you don't have sex then you're a biological failure, (say what you will about what quantifies a life to be a failure and what doesn't, but consider that the only OBJECTIVELY CORRECT version of this is the biological one.)
brb I think having kids is immoral
brb so I don't have kids and therefore don't pass on my ideals to the future generation