"We had a way harder life than you!"

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TestECull:
Get your head out of the clouds and just look at the political landscape right now. We're just as close, if not closer, to nuclear Armageddon than we were during the cold war, and we're facing enemies MAD won't work against. North Korea, for example, doesn't give a shit about it's populace. Give it access to reliable ICBMs and I all but guarantee they'll do something stupid with them.

Modern society will end in a nuclear fire, and I believe we'll live to see the mushroom clouds.

But we don't give them access to reliable ICBMs and they fail to make them themselves. Not to mention that they perhaps have enough warheads as you can count on one hand and their ways of delivering them was considered high-tech perhaps half a century ago.

I really have no idea how on earth you conclude that we're just as close or closer to nuclear Armageddon. Every party that has the capability doesn't want it to happen and every party who wouldn't mind doesn't have the capability. Oh no! North Korea has a few weak warheads with an antiquated delivery system that keeps crashing into the ocean! What are we ever going to do! Of course Kim Jung Un, or his generals, won't do anything stupid with those things. Why would he ever want to do that? He's not stupid, he knows he'd be crushed with ease with barely making a dent in, say, the US. Why would he ever want his easy life as an (almost) all-powerful dictator brought to a premature end?

As for everyone else, they're too busy being in the worldwide version of an Aristocrats joke that's called "Global Economics." Nothing is going to happen any time soon, every major power is too busy taking it in the ass by, and giving a reach-around to, every other major power for the sake of money.

SciMal:

unstabLized:

What do you guys think? Did we have it better back then, or do we have it better now, even though there are way more options in our life?

In the United States, kids today have it worse. Here's a few facts that differ the Baby Boomers from Gen X or the Millenials:

-The worst economy in 70 years. Yeah, the Baby Boomers enjoyed some of the most rampant economic growth and real middle income gain in the last century. Today real gains for the middle class is almost nonexistent, and because of the most Conservative Congress in the last century (yes, this is true), there's absolutely no compromise when it comes to any bills. Thus, nothing gets done.

-Oh right, the worst use of the filibuster by Republicans in American history. Thanks to the inability to compromise (which EVERY Republican-dominated Congress/House has done in the past), the American citizens have had to suffer through a complete lack of legislation that might change things for several years now.

-Academic creep is the worst it's ever been. What's that, you ask? Well, ever heard anyone say "Bachelor's is the new High School Diploma"? Yeah, it's that. For the Boomers, an Associates (or any College at all) practically guaranteed a job and middle-class income. Today students are expected to do more and be better than their parents or grandparents ever were. It's why IQ scales have been continuously adjusted higher, it's why the SAT difficulty has been dramatically increased, and it's why current Pre-Professional students are not only expected to have Research, Volunteer, and Leadership experience - but also a 3.0+ GPA (and GPA-creep was only common for private schools with wealthy patrons). Fifty years ago a high GPA would have sufficed, and the rest - what is considered an "average" applicant these days - would have garnered several guaranteed acceptances at your top Universities. In addition to being expected to do more, in some fields the knowledge gained by Undergrads is OBSOLETE by the time they apply for Grad school (molecular genetics is one area that being out of date means not paying attention for about two years).

-Gen X / The Millenials are the first generations in United States History that cannot be expected to attain a higher level of quality of life than their parents. This is well documented, and is mostly due to the shitty amounts of middle class income rise over the past 30 years and rising prices.

-Prices for homes in the 1960's rarely broke $90k. The same home today can be bought for $250k. Note: Wages have not tripled. The same goes for cars, and electronics in general.

-So they want to bitch about Vietnam and Korea? Well, apparently they forgot the Gulf War, the Iraq War, and the War On Terror in Afghanistan. The Iraq War - which was based on complete lies and continue for no apparent reason - lasted a decade. No, in terms of human life it didn't cost as much as Vietnam or Korea, but it cost the American public significantly in terms of economic stability. Neither of the last two wars were funded - they were all paid for by increasing the National Debt.

-The media corporations are fully allowed to lie, skew, and present completely biased views in lieu of traditional reporting. By law, prior to 2004, news organizations had to present balanced programming. Afterwards the corporations argued that there were enough outlets to offer the balanced views hollistically. The courts agreed, and FOX News jizzed its pants with Conservative fear-mongering and propaganda. Since the law's repeal was never really covered in the news (imagine that), everybody who trusted a single news source before just kept watching one - even as it churned out "infotainment" that offered a single-minded narrative.

-Corporations are now people, but only when it comes to political donations. This may not seem a particularly big burden to today's kids, but consider that most politicians spend time fundraising - not voting and reading bills. Unless you have hundreds of millions, most of which is going to be donated by various corporate sponsors, you cannot compete politically.

-The American Public is the least educated in science (or, at least seems to understand it the least) that it's been in a long time. Oddly enough, much of the bellyaching comes from the same Baby Boomer crowd that grew up in the Atomic Family era and saw the Moon Landing. They are perfectly willing to trust scientists when flying through a vacuum miles above our heads to our nearest celestial neighbor, but say that the burning of millions of gallons of oil a day causes global climate change (or argue that Evolution is real), and you have loads of skepticism. Because the public can't discern shitty science from good science, a lot more shitty science ("Complementary Medicine" and "Alternative Medicine") is happening.

-Because of the previously mentioned absolute bunk in terms of real income gain for the middle class over the last decade and nearly-complete assimilation of Feminism (a good thing), the most driven and capable people are having fewer children later in life. Where your parents/grandparents could expect to raise a family of 4 to 5 on a upper-middle-class salary with a decent quality of life, the same family size now requires triple the income.

-Obesity is an epidemic, and Type II Diabetes is following closely behind. The Baby Boomers are major contributors to this, but because most use Medicare/Medicaid (and simultaneously decry a single-payer health insurance option and/or "Socialist/Communist" taxes) it means the treatment burden is greater for every working person than ever before. Chronic conditions like those caused by obesity and Type II Diabetes cost significantly more than one-time acute conditions (like broken bones and gun wounds).

-Speaking of more "Socialist" programs, the Payers:Payee ratio for Social Security is the lowest in the history of the program. Whereas when the 50-60 year olds had jobs it was about a 23:1 ratio, it is now closer to 8:1. Paying in more to get out less.

So, at least in the United States, no. They didn't have it harder. What they mean is that the basic amenities (water, food, housing) was either harder to come by or of lower quality, or that their early life involved more physical activity. Whereas they might've walked to school two miles away and had to pump a well for water, now kids get bused to school and almost everybody has hot/cold taps. Maybe seatbelts and airbags, too?

I like this post. Like, a lot. Given, it's not exactly the same for us Europeans, but it's still very insightful and deserves to be quoted.

>work your ass off so that your kids have a good life
>complain that they have an easy life
>rinse and repeat on the next generation

TestECull:

RubyT:
Cold War (actual possibility of Apocalypse).

We're more likely to get nuked to oblivion now than we were then. MAD kept Russia and America from firing. MAD isn't going to work against a nation run by people who believe dying in battle is a good result and who genuinely hate our very existence.

If certain nations, which are trying their hardest, manage to acquire ICBMs, we will be closer to Armageddon than we ever were during the cold war.

You're forgetting that the North Korean "highly-reliable" means of delivery (yeah, means of delivery are as important as warheads themselves) are outclassed by the Western's defense system.

In fact, I could bet that in case of a NK launch the US would be able to retaliate and have their missiles strike Koran soil before NK could score a hit.

There is simply no MAD when you know that if you fire, American submarines will destroy your missile silos and crippling your nuclear arsenal AND destroy your missiles while they are halfway through their trajectory.

My mum was orphaned age 11 and lived on her own by the time she was 16, so no matter how you look at it she did have it harder than me. A hell of a lot harder.

As for their generation(s) in general, I don't know if there's a comparison to be made. Some things were better, some things were worse. Whether they balance out or not is a matter of perspective.

Chemical Alia:
My father had it terrible growing up. Abusive stepdad, forced to work for the family for money, not allowed to play sports or go to college, and then shunned by half of his family when they stopped identifying as Jehovah's Witnesses.

But he never held that over me and my sister when we were growing up, and just wanted the best for us.

Yeah, my Mum's the same, she really never uses it against us, so to speak. Perhaps there's some connection between not having a shit childhood and telling your kids how shit your childhood was regardless.

As somone writing my dissertation at the moment the internet has been a HUGE advantage to me in researching medical studies. I've been able to get studies from all over the world in a matter of minutes and used translate functions to get a pretty good grasp of about 7 different language studies of which i speak none... not a chance I could have done that 50 years ago. Obviously i've used individual books from the library as well but I'd say it's beena 70 30 split in favour of online journals. gotta love Jstor

My dad and mom both lost their dad's through torture in the Vietnam War. My dad lived poor, my mom had lived rich. All balanced out when they came to America. They started from ground zero.

I'm not going to argue whether the past was harder or not, it really depends. But, understand people who say, "we had it harder when we were...," they only say that to specific things that are easier now. But, now we have other aspects of life to worry about. Life has changed and it's changing rapidly. New territories and adventures creeping up. We are facing lots of new problems. We may have solved some stuff in the past (faster computing, faster communication, etc.) but it introduces new ones.

When I hear that phrase, I nod and smile. You know why? We all will be saying that one day.

Well as far as schoolwork goes, not to be an ass or anything, I definitely have it harder. Not that classes have necessarily gotten harder over time, I just have more honors/APs and such than they did. The only thing they can complain about is having to go to a library to write a paper. That makes sense. =P
Otherwise though, my mom's mother (aka, my grandmom), is a bit psycho, so I understand her life being harder. On the flipside, my dad's mother (aka my other grandmom), let him do pretty much whatever he wanted. At the same time, he had to go to an all-boys Catholic school.
Still, this has never really been an issue, seeing as how I'm pretty happy with life at the moment, so not much to complain about, really.

RubyT:
2: The public doesn't have to be suicidal. the nation just needs to be in the grip of a regime that doesn't give half a shit about it's population and doesn't care if said population gets obliterated. North Korea would be a pretty good example of a regime that doesn't give half a shit about it's citizens. I fully expect them to do something stupid as soon as they get ICBMs.

Why? What would Kim Jong Un do without North Korea(ns)? Where else can he be God-King? Nowhere! That's why he will do everything to preserve his little shithole.

The stupid thing that he could actually do is use the "shelter" of the nuke to invade South Korea. Conventionally. But he won't be firing an ICBM, if he ever gets one.

Even so-called religious fanatics like one Osama Bin Laden aren't that crazy. The guy clung to his life. He hid in mountains caves and then lived undercover in some Pakistani dump instead of going out in a blaze of glory. He never even openly admitted to being behind 9/11 (whatever conspiracies that could imply)

Wrong. Even if that guy had forwarded that on, the Kremlin wasn't stupid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident#Analysts.27_views

Russia still has enough of a stockpile to eradicate the entire planet of human life, nevermind one country.

But they don't have the capacities to launch the majority of it anymore. That's why they've been so agreeable in the nuclear disarmament. They knew they couldn't keep it all functional anyway.

Most of Europe has access to our stockpile as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing
Germany, Italy, Belgium, Turkey and the Netherlands is not most of Europe. And they don't have access. The nuclear warheads are maintained by the U.S. Airforce. Even if they had access, neither of these countries strikes me as "rogue" and neither would have access to an "apocalyptic amount".

Israel might as well have us by the balls. I'm sure they could obtain launch codes if they pressed the issue.

???

You're naive as fuck if you believe the USA is the only nuclear power with enough warheads to wipe an entire county out.

Ah, clueless but foul-mouthed.

Modern society will end in a nuclear fire, and I believe we'll live to see the mushroom clouds.

And there's the dipshittery I was talking about.
What are you kids listening to today? In my youth it was Nirvana.

Fox was around...and honestly it wouldn't be that big a spectacle. Discussion forums existed back then too, what do you think people did in the break room at work? Same thing we're doing here: Bullshit each other and talk politics.

I was talking about Fox News Channel, est. 1995, and you know that.
The internet has created gathering places where morons can reach critical mass. It's highly unlikely that enough doomsayers work at the same place. But on the internet, you can meet others and reinforce your mutual teenage blues.

Even regular people are being bombarded with gloom and doom in the news, so much so, that people think murder, rape and kidnapping are increasing, when they've actually been on the decline for decades.

And all media have adopted this too. If we were still watching Bonanza, listening to the Beach Boys and getting our news from Walter Cronkite, people would be looking around and realize that 2012 is an awesome year to live in. It's better than 1912, 1812, 1712... and it's probably better than 1992, 1982, 1972. (I will agree that 2002 looked a little better.)

Cowabungaa:
<Wordy talky bits>

It must be nice as hell having your head so far up in the clouds you can't see how society is doomed to nuclear armageddon.

RubyT:

Ah, clueless but foul-mouthed.

And there's the dipshittery I was talking about.

Come back when you aren't a hypocrite and we'll talk.

SciMal:

unstabLized:

What do you guys think? Did we have it better back then, or do we have it better now, even though there are way more options in our life?

In the United States, kids today have it worse. Here's a few facts that differ the Baby Boomers from Gen X or the Millenials:

-The worst economy in 70 years. Yeah, the Baby Boomers enjoyed some of the most rampant economic growth and real middle income gain in the last century. Today real gains for the middle class is almost nonexistent, and because of the most Conservative Congress in the last century (yes, this is true), there's absolutely no compromise when it comes to any bills. Thus, nothing gets done.

-Oh right, the worst use of the filibuster by Republicans in American history. Thanks to the inability to compromise (which EVERY Republican-dominated Congress/House has done in the past), the American citizens have had to suffer through a complete lack of legislation that might change things for several years now.

-Academic creep is the worst it's ever been. What's that, you ask? Well, ever heard anyone say "Bachelor's is the new High School Diploma"? Yeah, it's that. For the Boomers, an Associates (or any College at all) practically guaranteed a job and middle-class income. Today students are expected to do more and be better than their parents or grandparents ever were. It's why IQ scales have been continuously adjusted higher, it's why the SAT difficulty has been dramatically increased, and it's why current Pre-Professional students are not only expected to have Research, Volunteer, and Leadership experience - but also a 3.0+ GPA (and GPA-creep was only common for private schools with wealthy patrons). Fifty years ago a high GPA would have sufficed, and the rest - what is considered an "average" applicant these days - would have garnered several guaranteed acceptances at your top Universities. In addition to being expected to do more, in some fields the knowledge gained by Undergrads is OBSOLETE by the time they apply for Grad school (molecular genetics is one area that being out of date means not paying attention for about two years).

-Gen X / The Millenials are the first generations in United States History that cannot be expected to attain a higher level of quality of life than their parents. This is well documented, and is mostly due to the shitty amounts of middle class income rise over the past 30 years and rising prices.

-Prices for homes in the 1960's rarely broke $90k. The same home today can be bought for $250k. Note: Wages have not tripled. The same goes for cars, and electronics in general.

-So they want to bitch about Vietnam and Korea? Well, apparently they forgot the Gulf War, the Iraq War, and the War On Terror in Afghanistan. The Iraq War - which was based on complete lies and continue for no apparent reason - lasted a decade. No, in terms of human life it didn't cost as much as Vietnam or Korea, but it cost the American public significantly in terms of economic stability. Neither of the last two wars were funded - they were all paid for by increasing the National Debt.

-The media corporations are fully allowed to lie, skew, and present completely biased views in lieu of traditional reporting. By law, prior to 2004, news organizations had to present balanced programming. Afterwards the corporations argued that there were enough outlets to offer the balanced views hollistically. The courts agreed, and FOX News jizzed its pants with Conservative fear-mongering and propaganda. Since the law's repeal was never really covered in the news (imagine that), everybody who trusted a single news source before just kept watching one - even as it churned out "infotainment" that offered a single-minded narrative.

-Corporations are now people, but only when it comes to political donations. This may not seem a particularly big burden to today's kids, but consider that most politicians spend time fundraising - not voting and reading bills. Unless you have hundreds of millions, most of which is going to be donated by various corporate sponsors, you cannot compete politically.

-The American Public is the least educated in science (or, at least seems to understand it the least) that it's been in a long time. Oddly enough, much of the bellyaching comes from the same Baby Boomer crowd that grew up in the Atomic Family era and saw the Moon Landing. They are perfectly willing to trust scientists when flying through a vacuum miles above our heads to our nearest celestial neighbor, but say that the burning of millions of gallons of oil a day causes global climate change (or argue that Evolution is real), and you have loads of skepticism. Because the public can't discern shitty science from good science, a lot more shitty science ("Complementary Medicine" and "Alternative Medicine") is happening.

-Because of the previously mentioned absolute bunk in terms of real income gain for the middle class over the last decade and nearly-complete assimilation of Feminism (a good thing), the most driven and capable people are having fewer children later in life. Where your parents/grandparents could expect to raise a family of 4 to 5 on a upper-middle-class salary with a decent quality of life, the same family size now requires triple the income.

-Obesity is an epidemic, and Type II Diabetes is following closely behind. The Baby Boomers are major contributors to this, but because most use Medicare/Medicaid (and simultaneously decry a single-payer health insurance option and/or "Socialist/Communist" taxes) it means the treatment burden is greater for every working person than ever before. Chronic conditions like those caused by obesity and Type II Diabetes cost significantly more than one-time acute conditions (like broken bones and gun wounds).

-Speaking of more "Socialist" programs, the Payers:Payee ratio for Social Security is the lowest in the history of the program. Whereas when the 50-60 year olds had jobs it was about a 23:1 ratio, it is now closer to 8:1. Paying in more to get out less.

So, at least in the United States, no. They didn't have it harder. What they mean is that the basic amenities (water, food, housing) was either harder to come by or of lower quality, or that their early life involved more physical activity. Whereas they might've walked to school two miles away and had to pump a well for water, now kids get bused to school and almost everybody has hot/cold taps. Maybe seatbelts and airbags, too?

That is one very good post, sir!

Have to soak that up.

And there parents had it harder, they was been bombed, so tell them to shut the fuck up, its life.

TestECull:

RubyT:

Ah, clueless but foul-mouthed.

And there's the dipshittery I was talking about.

Come back when you aren't a hypocrite and we'll talk.

My gloves came off when yours did. You think you can call me "naive as fuck" and not get anything back?

But I can see why that's all you want to post...

RubyT:

TestECull:

RubyT:

Ah, clueless but foul-mouthed.

And there's the dipshittery I was talking about.

Come back when you aren't a hypocrite and we'll talk.

My gloves came off when yours did. You think you can call me "naive as fuck" and not get anything back?

But I can see why that's all you want to post...

If you're going to bitch about swear words and then turn around to use one later on in that very same post don't be surprised when you get called a hypocrit. Either use them or bitch about them, doing both in the same post just makes you look like an idiot.

Yeah. Our generations parents dealt with things far worse than the majority of our generation.
My parents, for instance, had parents who lived through the the great depression. The standards for work, ethics, and just what is expected of kids has dropped radically in the last few decades.

THEY DID have a harder life. whether that matters in the slightest is another matter.

Verzin:
Yeah. Our generations parents dealt with things far worse than the majority of our generation.
My parents, for instance, had parents who lived through the the great depression. The standards for work, ethics, and just what is expected of kids has dropped radically in the last few decades.

THEY DID have a harder life. whether that matters in the slightest is another matter.

and the ones before them had it harder, rinse and repeat, life gets easier.

LilithSlave:
They most likely did have it harder.

Lucky for us, things are better now.

Not in every single fashion, every single time. But for the most part.

Agreed. Times were different and the resources available to us are exponentially greater.

I think the 'we had it tougher' argument is a complaint on their part (and likely soon to be mine now that my son is talking more...) that we/children complain when things get tougher than they're used to.

Z

My dad used to try to convince me that he grew up like the four yorkshiremen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

I saw through his bullshit of course, that said, I've had it pretty easy my entire life.

My dad likes to remind me that when he was my age he had to share a pair of underpants with his brother im not sure how they managed to do it but aparantly they did.I dont think that constitutes a harder life just a more uncomfortable one.So yeah I believe we have it easier in some areas.

my response: Your generation benefited from the post WW2 boom of the middle class, then killed all the social programs the previous generation had created to allow for your success, and then starting 15 years ago screwed with the economy to make jobs a scarcity.... The response: Yeah your right, sorry.

THEY had it hard, at least in their day a bachelors degree was effectively a ticket to a middle class wage. Now there is barely a middle class to speak of.

The four Yorkshire-men sketch from Monty Python is exactly what my Mums side of the family was like. Which made it alot funnier because I am from Yorkshire and they sounded like my 3 uncles and granddad at Christmas.

unstabLized:
Have you ever heard this from your parents when you were growing up? Maybe when you did bad at something, like school, and you tell them that you tried your best, but they come up with some snappy response like "You ONLY studied for 5 hours for ONE test. I had to memorize the entire textbook, and they were twice as thick back then!"

Is the statement really true though? Is "Our current life" easier than what it was back then? Or is it actually harder, and they're just trying to push us? Sure, we have way more/better technology than back then, but is that really a positive point? Or does it just make things more complex?

What do you guys think? Did we have it better back then, or do we have it better now, even though there are way more options in our life?

We have much more than better technology. We have less discrimination, less racism, less prejudice, less conflict in the world. It's generally better.

You can always tell them that the reason why the current textbooks are thinner is because we got rid of all the useless crap that no one ever used outside of school :)
You can also tell them that today, the job market is way more competitive than back in their days and that you're more pressured to do good because you KNOW that not all the students in your class/school will get employment in the future.
You can add that the amount of knowledge that humanity possesses is much bigger than a generation ago and that you have to know a lot more things from a lot more areas than your parents. Often, you have to get that knowledge on your own because many schools can't keep up with the rapid progress of society and the world in general.

TestECull:

Cowabungaa:
<Wordy talky bits>

It must be nice as hell having your head so far up in the clouds you can't see how society is doomed to nuclear armageddon.

And such a convincing counter-argument you provide. You still have nothing to back up your statements other than "They're completely nuts!"

Not just that, but you also lowered yourself to personal attack. If you're going to provide a logical and well-constructed argument for your statement, do present it.

Cowabungaa:

TestECull:

Cowabungaa:
<Wordy talky bits>

It must be nice as hell having your head so far up in the clouds you can't see how society is doomed to nuclear armageddon.

And such a convincing counter-argument you provide. You still have nothing to back up your statements other than "They're completely nuts!"

I'll let you know when I feel the need to give you anything better than "Because that's my opinion". You're just a nameless, faceless avatar on a forum I'm not even that fond of these days, I have no reason to give you any compelling arguments. If "Because that's my opinion" isn't enough, then tough.

TestECull:

Cowabungaa:

TestECull:

It must be nice as hell having your head so far up in the clouds you can't see how society is doomed to nuclear armageddon.

And such a convincing counter-argument you provide. You still have nothing to back up your statements other than "They're completely nuts!"

I'll let you know when I feel the need to give you anything better than "Because that's my opinion". You're just a nameless, faceless avatar on a forum I'm not even that fond of these days, I have no reason to give you any compelling arguments. If "Because that's my opinion" isn't enough, then tough.

Someone's a little annoyed today.

For the sake of argument then? Because really, it's a topic worth discussing.

It goes up and down, really. There were a lot more hardships "back in the day", but, now, society has become a lot more complicated, idiocy and laziness are not condemned nearly as much, anymore, people are trying to force ideals and concepts down complete strangers throats rather violently, striking up the most idiotic "controversies", etc.

TestECull:
If you're going to bitch about swear words and then turn around to use one later on in that very same post don't be surprised when you get called a hypocrit. Either use them or bitch about them, doing both in the same post just makes you look like an idiot.

1) I didn't *bitch* about your swear words, I noticed how you used them instead of facts.

2) It wouldn't be hypocrisy, it'd be a double standard. Telling you to stop the fuck swearing ain't hypocritical, because I'm not implying that I ain't swearing or that I wouldn't be. It's a double standard, because I want you to behave differently than me.

Common mistake. And I wouldn't expect you to now the difference.

"WE NEVER HAD AN XBOX." No shit because it wasn't invented yet ya dumb cunts.

OT: Yeah, my parents gave me plenty of "We had it harder" speeches when I was younger. Mostly my dad just because he started working at 15 and I didn't get a solid job until 19. My mom thinks she had a hard life but it was just because her dad hit her around a bit. She was still rich and had a vacation house in Mexico and a beach house. Yeah she totally had it hard.

I'd have to agree that life in general was probably harder in the past. What I'd disagree with is that my schoolwork is easier than theirs was. When adults try and tell me that, I show them it, and they usually change their tune. It really, really pisses me off how adults keep saying how exams are too easy these days when they've never seen the fucking exam papers and have no clue what they're on about.

Broady Brio:
My dad is keen to remind me that in the good ol' days, [Insert relevant example here]
I tend to remind him that times have changed from 50 years ago.

I always like that. The good ol' days involved them eating bland cheap food, working 16 hours a day 6 days a week for 4 bucks a hour, being drafted, having no excess cash to enjoy, and yet that's better than having excess cash, 12 bucks an hour, 12 hours a day 4 days a week, and delicious food.

What part of that life was good again? I'm a little confused

My parents used to say that until they looked at my homework one day and realized that I was learning things that wouldn't have been covered for another two years of schooling in their day. After that I just got a lot of encouragement and help from them.

I got that as well. I do not buy it. My parent's anecdotes were way too conflicting. For example, they loved to tell me that I was lazy and didn't want any work during periods of unemployment because 'finding a job was so much harder when they were young' and 'they could have found a job in one week if they really wanted to'

I'm left thinking "If you could find a job in a week, clearly you did NOT have a harder job market back then" though both of them ran away to the army early on, so they had preference as having military history when going for work.

Plenty of sabotage as well; they 'helped' my job search, by finding the absolute worst jobs imaginable just to have me refuse it and give them an excuse to tell me how lazy I am. And when I say bad jobs, I mean things like 'cleaning dead bodies to prep them for funerals'

TestECull:

RubyT:
Cold War (actual possibility of Apocalypse).

We're more likely to get nuked to oblivion now than we were then. MAD kept Russia and America from firing. MAD isn't going to work against a nation run by people who believe dying in battle is a good result and who genuinely hate our very existence.

If certain nations, which are trying their hardest, manage to acquire ICBMs, we will be closer to Armageddon than we ever were during the cold war.

I assume one of the countries you mean is Iran. The people who run the country do dislike/hate the US and they do follow a religion that (supposedly)gives out rewards for dying in a holy war. However they are unlikely to ever use a nuclear weapon because their religion values peace and life more than dying and the populace has already shown that they are not willing to let their leaders continue on with their crap for much longer.

In addition if Iran fired an ICBM at the US no other country would cry foul if we then turned said country into an unlivable hellhole. That is because no other country would want someone around who has actually tried to start a nuclear war.

Also it would make a bit more sense for Iran to nuke Israel because the latter is closer so you don't need as advanced a system to deliver the warhead. And even that isn't going to happen because nothing says sacrilege quite like turning a place your religion holds sacred into a radioactive wasteland.

As for North Korea, I doubt they would actually use a WMD because to do so would mean they would also be destroyed. You have pointed out ...somewhere... in this thread that North Korean leaders don't really care about their people that much, which seems to be accurate, but they do care about themselves and their lifestyles and personal powers. That is why they are unlikely to 'press the button.'

The main reason these countries want WMDs is as insurance against foreign military action against them, something North Korea has been fearing for quite some time.

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OT: I think we have it easier in some ways(transportation, information) and harder in others(they didn't have a generation that screwed up everything before they took control).

I have two responses for that situation; silent with sarcastic nodding or a long winded rant that shuts them right up. Its hilarious to do the latter but takes too much effort if you ask me

My dad always flooded me and my siblings with encouragement. Then again, his grades were always shit and for some reason we all worked really hard with school, so he's always made a point to tell us how proud he is and what hard workers we are.

Al-Bundy-da-G:

Broady Brio:
My dad is keen to remind me that in the good ol' days, [Insert relevant example here]
I tend to remind him that times have changed from 50 years ago.

I always like that. The good ol' days involved them eating bland cheap food, working 16 hours a day 6 days a week for 4 bucks a hour, being drafted, having no excess cash to enjoy, and yet that's better than having excess cash, 12 bucks an hour, 12 hours a day 4 days a week, and delicious food.

What part of that life was good again? I'm a little confused

Ask my dad, I'm sure he will gladly remind you. Also the price of anything was dirt cheap, especially compared to now.

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