Der_SchwarzAdler:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/19/world/europe/norway-breivik-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Totally agree but the link between Breivik and games was made when it all first happened. In his 1400 page manifesto, he talked about how he used Call of Duty to "train" (though I don't see how you could use CoD to do any form of real life training in military situations).

But yeah, I'm getting the feeling a resurgence may come into play here.

Every time I see this guy I can't help but notice how creepy as hell he looks. I mean I look pretty creepy but this guy just takes it to a whole new level. If I had to visualise a face for a murdering psychopath prior to the shooting, it would have been a face like that.

Kind of a dickish thing to focus on in a topic like this, but just putting it out there.

I'm sorry, as soon as I read he used MW3 and COD as training all I can do is laugh.

I just beat the mario kart star cup in 150cc guys. I'm ready to be a NASCAR driver.

Also what did he learn from WoW? Being apathetic towards obnoxious pugs? Trying the same strategy 100 times? The political struggle between rivaling troll clans? How to best quest to maximize efficiency and exp per hour?

Exuse me while I go board up my windows.
Back as soon as I can be.

Toaster Hunter:
Wait, he learned to shoot from MW2? I didn't know guns worked that way. Lucky me, I must be an expert now. I still don't see how WOW helps pull off a massacre like that, but that's just me.

I NEED TO COLLECT 20 HUMAN SCHOOLS is essentially how WoW helps.

-------------------------------------

Ready up everyone, were going to raid the cafeteria with this M16. Our goal is to collect 20 skulls.

Now how much do we have to survive this anyway?
Well we have a 40% chance of getting away with it.
Well thats better then we us-

At least thats how I think this happened.

Yeah because you really need training to shoot an kill a bunch of innocent, unarmed, frightened kids that are trying to escape you. Why is it these murdering assholes act like they did something brave and meaningful? Send him to prison and lets hope one day he will find out whats its like to be unarmed, scared and helpless when some prisoners come after him to make him their girlfriend.

The idea of training with MW2 is so retarded it is impossible to take it seriously. How can interacting with a game using a joy pad be the same as carrying and firing a real weapon? When are the press gonna stop making these dumb stories, its just insulting to everyone, especially the families of those killed.

imahobbit4062:

A Satanic Panda:
It's all ok guys, I got the popcorn.

In other news I fully expect the Escapist covering the media responce to this, and a wave of "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" comments.

Solid effort, but where's the cold beverages?!

Done:

This is going to be one hell of a shitstorm, better put on your seatbelts and set your chair to maximum recline.

And here I thought norway and its like breeded out all those ultranationalist types.

anyway, im failing to see how WoW plays into this other than being mentioned. Though with how old this news is I dontthink this is going to be as bad as believed.

I believe this is an appropriate little image. Even though this is a year old, now it's being re-reported the anti-gamer groups and god botherers will crawl back out of the midden.

A Satanic Panda:
It's all ok guys, I got the popcorn.

In other news I fully expect the Escapist covering the media responce to this, and a wave of "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" comments.

I still want to live on this planet, I just want that Breivik to get the fuck off.

xSKULLY:
also i have 0 fear of these scum bags and i will not let them pressure me into not killing them because "my friends will take revenge" i know a pacifist will probably come at me with the cycle of violence argument but you know what bring it on i will kill your buddies to because the day we fear terrorism and let terrorist's dictate our actions is the day terrorist's win.

Lawl. Still interested in joining the US military? Something tells me you would fit right in.

I'm Commander Shepard, and this is the worst article on CNN.

Yeah video games totally caused this, I mean who would've ever thought that a medium that just happened to contain violent would NOT cause problems. It turns the youth today into monsters and blah blah blah I'm an old republican bible basher with no idea how the world works blah blah blah...

Ugh *Does that anime thing where the eyes go all big and dark and there is a big drop of sweat* why can't people blame his mental health, y'know, the thing that caused the tragedy?

The only solution is to shut down all mediums of art, expression and communication, and prevent human contact of any kind!

xSKULLY:

i know full well he wants to become a martyr but ill take a martyr over a extremist every day of the week, especially if that extremist is put in a place were he can influence others (prison)

also i have 0 fear of these scum bags and i will not let them pressure me into not killing them because "my friends will take revenge" i know a pacifist will probably come at me with the cycle of violence argument but you know what bring it on i will kill your buddies to because the day we fear terrorism and let terrorist's dictate our actions is the day terrorist's win.

Buckle your seatbelt, it's time for a HISTORY LESSON!

To bring this little excusion into the bloody past of the Emerald Isle to a close I will just say that This is why you don't create martyrs. If this guy is executed for his beliefs it will create sympathisers, who will then actively work to further his insane, violent cause, and this could create a chain of events that would mean 100 years from now Norway was a civil warzone. You may think I am using a bit of poetic liscence there, but that is exactly what has happened in Northern Ireland.
Martyrs are dangerous for the exact reason that due to their actions hundreds or even thousands will rise in their place. Letting a terrorist rot in prison is not letting them win, in fact it is the best way to defeat them.

How can someone create terror if no one remembers them? How can someone inspire a cause if they are forgotten about? How can someone be heroic if they are pathetic? They will be completely neutralised if we stick them in prison and forget about them. Put them on a platform, give them a voice and then execute them, and you will just have multiplied your problem exponentially.

Sorry, this was a really long post about a rather insignificant detail of your own personal opinions, but it's just something I've experienced the consequences of firsthand, so you can't blame me for getting a bit over-passionate about it.

Der_SchwarzAdler:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/19/world/europe/norway-breivik-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

It's american news, who gives the shit, much of the rest of the world has a liberated free media and doesn't pay this BS any heed.

Case in Point

As an Anglo-American I have nothing against Americans, but your news is criminally retarded.

imahobbit4062:

A Satanic Panda:
It's all ok guys, I got the popcorn.

In other news I fully expect the Escapist covering the media responce to this, and a wave of "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" comments.

Solid effort, but where's the cold beverages?!

God, just imagine eating all that popcorn without a soda or something...

OT: Why do we always get associated with the really crazy ones?

Shit storm hits the UK:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132002/Anders-Behring-Breivik-trial-Norwegian-mass-killer-played-violent-video-game-Call-Duty-16-hours-day.html

"The revelation came as Breivik described how he became a deadly marksman by honing his gun skills by playing the violent Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare computer game."
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http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=R6c&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&q=breivik+game&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dbj7rP54nTTRWEMoA1Rme-kfvtgyM&ei=Q2GQT6q3HOmf0QWR_sSFAg&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQqgIwAA

As per usual alarmist and clueless reporting. Just so disappointed how many respected publications (i.e not the mail above) are reporting as fact that you can improve your skills with a real gun from playing COD. Rather than reporting what he said and calling him out for being an idiot as what he is a saying would not work. You don't need great aim when unfortunately your victims don't have much of a chance to escape or fire back.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

xSKULLY:
also i have 0 fear of these scum bags and i will not let them pressure me into not killing them because "my friends will take revenge" i know a pacifist will probably come at me with the cycle of violence argument but you know what bring it on i will kill your buddies to because the day we fear terrorism and let terrorist's dictate our actions is the day terrorist's win.

Lawl. Still interested in joining the US military? Something tells me you would fit right in.

why should i be scared of them? they are coward who kill collage kids with assault rifles and i have nothing but contempt for them.

Might have been posted already, but rock paper shotgun have a very good article on this, debunking most of the BS going around about it

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/04/19/breivik-testifies-about-gaming-press-ignores-the-facts/

xSKULLY:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

xSKULLY:
also i have 0 fear of these scum bags and i will not let them pressure me into not killing them because "my friends will take revenge" i know a pacifist will probably come at me with the cycle of violence argument but you know what bring it on i will kill your buddies to because the day we fear terrorism and let terrorist's dictate our actions is the day terrorist's win.

Lawl. Still interested in joining the US military? Something tells me you would fit right in.

why should i be scared of them? they are coward who kill collage kids with assault rifles and i have nothing but contempt for them.

I mean you would fit right in because you have one set view on terrorism (that is, incidentally, ridiculous) and you will not listen to anyone else, no matter how much more they know. I could go on a rant but I will just find comfort in the fact that you will never be in a position of power that directly effects me.

(By the way, I completely agree on the being afraid thing. There really is very little reason to be scared of terrorism.)

Hero in a half shell:

xSKULLY:
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-snip-

the key thing is that emerdale island wasn't a isolated incident, it was one of many anti-English movements and a huge amount of the irish wanted the english out and to be Independent, id like to know how many norweigens are xenophobes who will see this guy as a martyr and a hero because im willing to bet its less than 0.1%, so if we kill him very few people get upset over it and idolize him whereas if we surround him with other violent xenophobes in prison he might have more of a impact amounts them. (you have to admit he is a good public speaker, despite how terrible he is)

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

xSKULLY:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

Lawl. Still interested in joining the US military? Something tells me you would fit right in.

why should i be scared of them? they are coward who kill collage kids with assault rifles and i have nothing but contempt for them.

I mean you would fit right in because you have one set view on terrorism (that is, incidentally, ridiculous) and you will not listen to anyone else, no matter how much more they know. I could go on a rant but I will just find comfort in the fact that you will never be in a position of power that directly effects me.

(By the way, I completely agree on the being afraid thing. There really is very little reason to be scared of terrorism.)

its true that i do have a strong view on terrorism and tend to "stick to my guns" on issues like this because i have firmly made up my mind before going into a discussion on it. That said the way you counter terrorism in this case is not letting that guy get a message out to people and i think that if you put him in a place were he is surrounded by violent xenophobes (prison) it will recruit much more people to his cause than killing him as i think the % of people on is side on this are less than 0.1% (although i would be interested to see figures) and of those even fewer would take violent action

The Mini-14 has to be the rifle with the worst rep EVER.

It gets flak for being inaccurate and a myriad of other reasons... and now it was used by the world's mos proficient killing spree.

In Norway some journalists are convinced that the Mini-14 is the same thing as the M14 and try to convince the public that criminals have access to military weapons used in actual conflicts.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
I mean you would fit right in because you have one set view on terrorism (that is, incidentally, ridiculous)

In fact he has got it right. When you fear terrorism, they win.

It's unacceptable that a handful of outlaws are able to dictate how you live. Same thing with crime, I suppose you don't like not being able to go to anywhere without risks. Not that you like the place or anything, but it's ridiculous having crime dictating where you can or can't go.

xSKULLY:
why should i be scared of them? they are coward who kill collage kids with assault rifles and i have nothing but contempt for them.

The term "assault rifle" implies full auto.

Sorry for the nitpicking but using the term incorrectly is exactly what some people want: making guns scary to the general population.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
You are giving Breivik way to much credit. Hes a crazy radical, not fucking Hannibal. Its not like he can control you by looking into your eyes.

When he gets into prison hes more likely to be surprised in the shower than greeted with praise.

I dont know where the hell you get your information but prison is NOT full of crazy people who want to cut people open for no reason.

You're a mess, lol.

So you believe the "prison bitch" thing (it's more American than European) but you don't believe that prisons are full of neo-nazis?

Hero in a half shell:
Well he also said in his manifesto that while videogames were good for 'the basics', there was no substitution for firing live weapons, and going to firing ranges and practicing was by far the best way to train yourself to kill.

So sure, take away my videogames, but first you'll have to ban all household weapons, hunting clubs and shooting ranges. And since we all know how much Fox news loves them the second amendment (I hear Bill O'reilly has it tatooed to his bum inside a big heart)

If Fox News begin calling videogames training tools and calling for restrictions I say we spam their comments telling them that's fine, but first they have to ban the worst offender first: Their guns.

imahobbit4062:

A Satanic Panda:
It's all ok guys, I got the popcorn.

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In other news I fully expect the Escapist covering the media responce to this, and a wave of "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" comments.

Solid effort, but where's the cold beverages?!

Don't worry I gotcha covered:

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*pulls up a chair*
NICE

Fox News will be all over this shit. It's gonna be fun as hell to watch.

xSKULLY:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

xSKULLY:

why should i be scared of them? they are coward who kill collage kids with assault rifles and i have nothing but contempt for them.

I mean you would fit right in because you have one set view on terrorism (that is, incidentally, ridiculous) and you will not listen to anyone else, no matter how much more they know. I could go on a rant but I will just find comfort in the fact that you will never be in a position of power that directly effects me.

(By the way, I completely agree on the being afraid thing. There really is very little reason to be scared of terrorism.)

its true that i do have a strong view on terrorism and tend to "stick to my guns" on issues like this because i have firmly made up my mind before going into a discussion on it. That said the way you counter terrorism in this case is not letting that guy get a message out to people and i think that if you put him in a place were he is surrounded by violent xenophobes (prison) it will recruit much more people to his cause than killing him as i think the % of people on is side on this are less than 0.1% (although i would be interested to see figures) and of those even fewer would take violent action

You are giving Breivik way to much credit. Hes a crazy radical, not fucking Hannibal. Its not like he can control you by looking into your eyes.

When he gets into prison hes more likely to be surprised in the shower than greeted with praise.

I dont know where the hell you get your information but prison is NOT full of crazy people who want to cut people open for no reason.

ElPatron:
The Mini-14 has to be the rifle with the worst rep EVER.

It gets flak for being inaccurate and a myriad of other reasons... and now it was used by the world's mos proficient killing spree.

In Norway some journalists are convinced that the Mini-14 is the same thing as the M14 and try to convince the public that criminals have access to military weapons used in actual conflicts.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
I mean you would fit right in because you have one set view on terrorism (that is, incidentally, ridiculous)

In fact he has got it right. When you fear terrorism, they win.

It's unacceptable that a handful of outlaws are able to dictate how you live. Same thing with crime, I suppose you don't like not being able to go to anywhere without risks. Not that you like the place or anything, but it's ridiculous having crime dictating where you can or can't go.

Well, I guess you are right... I havent left the house in a week, I cant shower anymore, and I can only eat cabbage. Why? Because Breivik is alive! He is controlling my life from his prison cell!

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Well, I guess you are right... I havent left the house in a week, I cant shower anymore, and I can only eat cabbage. Why? Because Breivik is alive! He is controlling my life from his prison cell!

Now you are taking my words and distorting their meaning.

I am not talking about Breivik alone. I am talking to any threat to society. No matter how much I dislike a lot of things in modern society it beats not being part of one.

So far, terrorism accomplished:
- we spent millions tightening the security of transports
- you are molested in US airports (TSA "patdowns")
- we can't take a lot of items to the airplane for some fucking reason. Yeah, fudging nail-clippers, how do they work?

They basically forced us to change the way we deal with things. Breivik is "small time". But if he has proven anything is that it's impossible to prevent terrorism.

What is Breivik going to force Norway to do? Restrict fertilizer sales and enforce inspections? (waste of taxpayer's money) Force Norwegian gun owners to face more restrictions?

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

xSKULLY:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

I mean you would fit right in because you have one set view on terrorism (that is, incidentally, ridiculous) and you will not listen to anyone else, no matter how much more they know. I could go on a rant but I will just find comfort in the fact that you will never be in a position of power that directly effects me.

(By the way, I completely agree on the being afraid thing. There really is very little reason to be scared of terrorism.)

its true that i do have a strong view on terrorism and tend to "stick to my guns" on issues like this because i have firmly made up my mind before going into a discussion on it. That said the way you counter terrorism in this case is not letting that guy get a message out to people and i think that if you put him in a place were he is surrounded by violent xenophobes (prison) it will recruit much more people to his cause than killing him as i think the % of people on is side on this are less than 0.1% (although i would be interested to see figures) and of those even fewer would take violent action

You are giving Breivik way to much credit. Hes a crazy radical, not fucking Hannibal. Its not like he can control you by looking into your eyes.

When he gets into prison hes more likely to be surprised in the shower than greeted with praise.

I dont know where the hell you get your information but prison is NOT full of crazy people who want to cut people open for no reason.

i got my information on prison from my mother who inspects a high security prison (like what he would go to) and it has got its fair share of viloent xenophobes and racist's in and from watching the guy on the news its my opinion that despite the fact he is terrible, he has good public speaking skills and could probably get some very nasty people to join his cause while inside.

also its the morality of it, i dislike it when people like him get tax payer's money spent to keep them alive but we cant afford to help vulnerable people in our own countries or abroad, as i said before prison is to good for him (and is actually very ineffective against criminals but i could talk all day about how the prison system is flawed and that would go way off topic)

however this is all in hypothetical's and nether one of us can prove with evidence that our way is better, however i do enjoy debating politic's :)

ElPatron:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Well, I guess you are right... I havent left the house in a week, I cant shower anymore, and I can only eat cabbage. Why? Because Breivik is alive! He is controlling my life from his prison cell!

Now you are taking my words and distorting their meaning.

I am not talking about Breivik alone. I am talking to any threat to society. No matter how much I dislike a lot of things in modern society it beats not being part of one.

So far, terrorism accomplished:
- we spent millions tightening the security of transports
- you are molested in US airports (TSA "patdowns")
- we can't take a lot of items to the airplane for some fucking reason. Yeah, fudging nail-clippers, how do they work?

They basically forced us to change the way we deal with things. Breivik is "small time". But if he has proven anything is that it's impossible to prevent terrorism.

What is Breivik going to force Norway to do? Restrict fertilizer sales and enforce inspections? (waste of taxpayer's money) Force Norwegian gun owners to face more restrictions?

Not allowing people to take sharp objects on a plane seems like a good idea to me. But hey, I guess sensible stuff like that means the terrorists have won, right? Time to watch more Fox news...

xSKULLY:

SmashLovesTitanQuest:

xSKULLY:

its true that i do have a strong view on terrorism and tend to "stick to my guns" on issues like this because i have firmly made up my mind before going into a discussion on it. That said the way you counter terrorism in this case is not letting that guy get a message out to people and i think that if you put him in a place were he is surrounded by violent xenophobes (prison) it will recruit much more people to his cause than killing him as i think the % of people on is side on this are less than 0.1% (although i would be interested to see figures) and of those even fewer would take violent action

You are giving Breivik way to much credit. Hes a crazy radical, not fucking Hannibal. Its not like he can control you by looking into your eyes.

When he gets into prison hes more likely to be surprised in the shower than greeted with praise.

I dont know where the hell you get your information but prison is NOT full of crazy people who want to cut people open for no reason.

i got my information on prison from my mother who inspects a high security prison (like what he would go to) and it has got its fair share of viloent xenophobes and racist's in and from watching the guy on the news its my opinion that despite the fact he is terrible, he has good public speaking skills and could probably get some very nasty people to join his cause while inside.

also its the morality of it, i dislike it when people like him get tax payer's money spent to keep them alive but we cant afford to help vulnerable people in our own countries or abroad, as i said before prison is to good for him (and is actually very ineffective against criminals but i could talk all day about how the prison system is flawed and that would go way off topic)

however this is all in hypothetical's and nether one of us can prove with evidence that our way is better, however i do enjoy debating politic's :)

And obviously, the answer to all our problems is to just kill everybody who resembles Breivik. Lets just ignore the consequences, we have to stand strong in the face of terrorism! And if that means acting stupid, so be it! And if we make shit even worse, who cares? We can say we stood strong. Obviously more important than public wellbeing.

Sorry, but I cant answer your posts seriously, Skully and Al. Your views are too far gone.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Not allowing people to take sharp objects on a plane seems like a good idea to me. But hey, I guess sensible stuff like that means the terrorists have won, right? Time to watch more Fox news...

Considering how Air Marshals in the United States carry a Sig Sauer P229 in .357 SIG, and...

More than 10% of pilots are allowed to carry a firearm into flights in the US, according to TSA.

I'm sorry, you thought that box cutter would be a menacing weapon in a plane? Not even the world's best knife fighter would want to take on 200 passengers in an enclosed space.

And thanks for the Fox News comment, because it only shows how you prefer to hide behind your ignorance and make statements about my media allegiance.

What do you watch? NBC or CBS and their liberal bullshit? That's right, I can imply you watch channels your country doesn't even air too! Doesn't mean I made my point and I am only taking a cheap shot by doing so.