The Avengers Gets First Rotten Review

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http://www.boxofficemagazine.com/reviews/2012-04-marvels-the-avengers

This reviewer gave The Avengers a 3/5 (which is apparently bad according to Rotten Tomatoes' system...?), compares the work of Joss Whedon on The Avengers to Michael Bay, and calls Nick Fury Nick Frost. So yeah.... the fans over at Rotten Tomatoes aren't happy. I can't say I disagree though, it is a poorly written review. But, at the end of the day, if she doesn't like it its her opinion, right? What do you guys think of the review? Anyone seen the advanced screenings and agree? Or disagree? I also think its weird how Rotten Tomatoes counts 3/5 as rotten but whatever, that's a different matter, a 3/5 is positive in my opinion anyway.

95%? Good grief.

That seems a little high, doesn't it? I'd expect a few more rotten reviews before it's all said and done.

Why is it news that one film got a negative (hell, not even that, more neutral-positive) review?

If she didn't like it then fair enough, and I can't form an opinion yet cause I havent seen it, but one thing that annoyed me was how she said 'the movie doesn't have enough character development!' Uhh, so? It's not supposed to, that's what the other movies were for. They were made so you could actually learn about the characters so when The Avengers movie comes around, there's no need for backstories and you can get straight to the action. The Avengers is just a sequel to those movies anyway.

Hazy992:
If she didn't like it then fair enough, and I can't form an opinion yet cause I havent seen it

This is actually how I feel about reviews in general. If you ask me the only good reviews are ones that are mostly supposed to be taken for entertainment value (i.e. Zero Punctuation). In the end just because someone else says it's crap doesn't mean that YOU'LL think it's crap. Reviews are, after all, nothing but opinions. People shouldn't let others color their perception of movies/games/books etc. They should experience those things for themselves and make their own decision about whether or not they liked it.

Case in point: Dark Souls is considered to insanely hard but otherwise a fantastic game by most people. I, however, thought it was absolutely retarded. My opinion won't change other people's opinions on the matter, nor will their opinions change mine.

Honestly, this is probably good. It means it won't sit on the oh-so-important 100% for any longer and it means people's expectations won't be in the "best movie ever" category.

I hope that it gets more rotten reviews quickly. Nothing is perfect.

You've got to take into consideration that most reviewers you find on Rotten Tomatoes are horribly unqualified to have a professional opinion on cinema. I've never trusted any review on Rotten Tomatoes, not since the Harry Potter films, and especially not since Half-Blood Prince.

How is 3/5 a negative?

That's over half.

DarkRyter:
How is 3/5 a negative?

That's over half.

Well if I got 60% on a test that would be considered an F.

Edit: I'd get a D. 59% and less is an F. My mistake. Not a large one, but I dislike spreading misinformation.

OhJohnNo:
Why is it news that one film got a negative (hell, not even that, more neutral-positive) review?

Slow news days? Seriously, I had nothing better to do, and I can't wait for The Avengers (or Avengers Assemble as it is called here) to come out.

3/5 Is good though..

Eh, Avengers doesn't look THAT good anyway

Yeah, I'm going with everyone who says this...isn't a bad review. This is actually a good review, although not a glowing review. That's okay by me. I can pretty much guarantee that I'm going to enjoy the movie, being a big Whedon fan. He does good shit. And nothing this reviewer said offended me in any way.

The reviews that have been offending me lately have been from these snide assholes that feel that tearing a movie a new one isn't enough, now they have to tear the fan base of a movie a new one (one review of Scott Pilgrim comes to mind where the critic said in so many words that the audienced laughed at every joke like they were trained to do it because they were a bunch of video game loving hipster losers. Wait, what? People laughing at the movie is a bad thing? Wha?). What the hell is with that? Has anyone else noticed this?

You call that a negative review?

It basically states that the movie is too big for its own good, but that there's still enjoyment to be found. She also says that it has the best representation of the Hulk out of all the 3 movies he's been in. If that's not fucking positive, I don't know what is.

Casual Shinji:
You call that a negative review?

It basically states that the movie is too big for its own good, but that there's still enjoyment to be found. She also says that it has the best representation of the Hulk out of all the 3 movies he's been in. If that's not fucking positive, I don't know what is.

I didn't call it a negative review, Rotten Tomatoes did.

Mortai Gravesend:

DarkRyter:
How is 3/5 a negative?

That's over half.

Well if I got 60% on a test that would be considered an F.

Seriously? An F? I went to a grammar school and we considered 60% to be a C (basically, a minimal pass), 70% B (average), and 80% an A with 90% a special A-star (or A*). And this was a school where they expected the very best from everyone.

Anyway, on-topic. I can't comment because the movie isn't out yet in the UK and I've not yet seen the advance screenings or anything, but everything I've seen points to an awesome film. But, as has been pointed out in the thread already, nothing is perfect. One bad review, that isn't even that bad, is hardly a harbinger of doom, especially when the reviewer clearly doesn't know anything about the film and has failed to do the research provided by simply paying attention in the film and watching the others in the series first (as is traditionally the way of things - you wouldn't watch Harry Potter 8 without seeing the seventh film first, right?). I mean, Nick Frost? "Lack of character development"? Yeah, clearly a reviewer to take very seriously indeed... :P

Trivun:

Mortai Gravesend:

DarkRyter:
How is 3/5 a negative?

That's over half.

Well if I got 60% on a test that would be considered an F.

Seriously? An F? I went to a grammar school and we considered 60% to be a C (basically, a minimal pass), 70% B (average), and 80% an A with 90% a special A-star (or A*). And this was a school where they expected the very best from everyone.

Maybe a D actually with F being right below that. I usually just think anything below 70% is anathema as 70% is a C. At least per the standard system. Can change due to grading curves or in certain classes.

Oh yeah, that movie was coming out, wasn't it?
I should probably get around to seeing all the others sometime.

Mortai Gravesend:

Trivun:

Mortai Gravesend:

Well if I got 60% on a test that would be considered an F.

Seriously? An F? I went to a grammar school and we considered 60% to be a C (basically, a minimal pass), 70% B (average), and 80% an A with 90% a special A-star (or A*). And this was a school where they expected the very best from everyone.

Maybe a D actually with F being right below that. I usually just think anything below 70% is anathema as 70% is a C. At least per the standard system. Can change due to grading curves or in certain classes.

Meh, fair enough. That being said, you're in the USA and I'm in the UK anyway. I was lucky to get into a good school and do well in my studies, since the education system over here is just a pile of absolute crap anyway... :P

Well Empire gave it 4 stars so let's wait and see. Linky

Does this guy have a book?

We should totally review bomb him on Amazon.

Obvious DC fangirl. Her opinion is invalid.

hazabaza1:
Oh yeah, that movie was coming out, wasn't it?
I should probably get around to seeing all the others sometime.

Meh, film looks okay in a "don't think too much about it" kind of what, which was exactly what I expected. I did (as the review seems to suggest) suspect that it would simply be too many heroes for one film, which worries me slightly.

Off-topic: It's an odd year when this comes 3rd in a list of hero films I'm looking forward to this year.

Given that I've now seen the trailer approximately five hundred times, I get the impression that this film is going to be a total fanboy circle-jerk, but the kind that's enjoyable for anyone as long as you don't expect it to revolutionise cinema.

That being said, there's a line in the trailer that Nick Fury says to Loki (I think I got those names right?) that goes something along the lines of 'if you start a war with me you may end up regretting it.'

That is quite possibly one of the worst pieces of dialogue I've ever heard.

Marter:
Honestly, this is probably good. It means it won't sit on the oh-so-important 100% for any longer and it means people's expectations won't be in the "best movie ever" category.

That's an interesting theory. Perhaps lowered expectations will allow for everybody to enjoy the film more?
I think I can get along with that. It's the first really fleshed out Avengers movie, with heavy involvement by Joss Whedon, so I think that most nerds will treat it the same way Christians might treat the second coming. This might be a nice way to temper the expectations of those fans. On the other hand, I'm not sure that this review is coming from the right place. I tend not to trust reviews where the critic makes blatant mistakes in terms of the story and characters, which is what I got from this one.

Isn't everybody pretty much set on whether or not they're going to see it? I think it was Yahtzee who was talking about Game Trilogies, and how by the 3rd one there really isn't much to review anymore, you already know if you're going to buy it/see it.

I know the Avengers isn't a 3rd movie, but with all the other teasers, I think everybody knows if they're going to see it

The 'universe' that was portrayed in the movie never really attracted me, I preferred the comics :/

Mortai Gravesend:

DarkRyter:
How is 3/5 a negative?

That's over half.

Well if I got 60% on a test that would be considered an F.

... Well that explains people's aversion to anything with less than an 8/10 or so.

OT: Oh well. Read a review earlier which said it was great; if she's calling Nick Fury Nick Frost then she obviously has little interest in it.

Marter:
Honestly, this is probably good. It means it won't sit on the oh-so-important 100% for any longer and it means people's expectations won't be in the "best movie ever" category.

I was staring at your avatar for a minute. Now I can't get these halos out of my vision. Curses...

O.T: Its too premature to judge Avengers yet. Also, I don't mean to be sexist here but a lot of ladies aren't that heavy into superhero movies. Yes, the characters aren't gonna be explored in depth like in a romantic comedy, and there are going to be a lot more explosions and punch-lines. But thats why it is a superhero movie - thats what makes it appealing.

Mortai Gravesend:

DarkRyter:
How is 3/5 a negative?

That's over half.

Well if I got 60% on a test that would be considered an F.

If I got 60% that would be a C. I'd get a U (English A-level equivalent of an F) if I got less than less than 40%. Your test system is botched as fuck dude. That said, our grade depends on the overall performance curve so there's a decent spread of fuck ups and smart people, regardless of how well you actually do.

OT: Not news worthy in the slightest. It would be a bit more newsworthy if it never got a negative review but how likely is that to ever happen? How about we accept what she's said with as much as we care to and move on, not worth getting your knickers in a twist.

While everyone's entitled to their opinion this review shows a general lack of understanding of the characters personalities and certain comic book laws along with the fact she complains about the big fight in the city apparently being too plain ,because obviously the New York based super team having a battle New York is ridiculous.

OhJohnNo:
Why is it news that one film got a negative (hell, not even that, more neutral-positive) review?

You seen the "Hate out of Ten" Jimquisition episode?

I expected it to skip all traces of character development anyway. Why do now what you did in the setup prequels?

Anyway i expect more reviews. And i expect to go to the cinema for the first time since The Deathly Hallows Part 2 came out.

Mortai Gravesend:

DarkRyter:
How is 3/5 a negative?

That's over half.

Well if I got 60% on a test that would be considered an F.

Edit: I'd get a D. 59% and less is an F. My mistake. Not a large one, but I dislike spreading misinformation.

Darn. I was going to correct you. >.>

School grades are fairly different from critic reviews and it's only recently that 3/5 has been considered bad by anybody. And it really varies from scorer to scorer, anyway. I'll give a solid but unspectacular book/movie or game a 3 or so on my blog or any review I do for sites like RT (Though I've never actually DONE an RT review). If people want to take that as me spitting on the product, that's fine. I just do not consider it a bad grade (and I specify as such).

Zachary Amaranth:

Mortai Gravesend:

DarkRyter:
How is 3/5 a negative?

That's over half.

Well if I got 60% on a test that would be considered an F.

Edit: I'd get a D. 59% and less is an F. My mistake. Not a large one, but I dislike spreading misinformation.

Darn. I was going to correct you. >.>

I just logged back on to find 2 people had quoted me taking me at my word after I'd realized I was wrong to the first person I was talking to XP

School grades are fairly different from critic reviews and it's only recently that 3/5 has been considered bad by anybody. And it really varies from scorer to scorer, anyway. I'll give a solid but unspectacular book/movie or game a 3 or so on my blog or any review I do for sites like RT (Though I've never actually DONE an RT review). If people want to take that as me spitting on the product, that's fine. I just do not consider it a bad grade (and I specify as such).

True, they are. My point was kind of that over 50% isn't necessarily what people are shooting for, or should be shooting for.

But 3/5 does seem decent. Not spectacular, but decent enough to watch. But maybe just on TV >__>

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