Do you find it offensive?
I hate it, it bothers me a lot
8.3% (49)
8.3% (49)
Bothers me a little
21.1% (125)
21.1% (125)
Not at all
70.1% (415)
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Poll: Do you care about "flag burning"?

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ToTaL LoLiGe:

Mortai Gravesend:

ToTaL LoLiGe:

Flags don't represent governments they represent the people of the nation, so burning it implies that you hate the people of the nation. Rallies and pickets are less hostile than burning flags in city centres. If you think burning flags is an acceptable form of protest do you think pissing and shitting on war memorials is an acceptable form of protest against military occupation of a country?

And where did that 'fact' come from? Where is it written in stone that flags don't represent governments, they represent people?

And maybe you should think before you speak. Pissing and shitting on public property in general is something to disallow. You're deliberately constructing a biased scenario where I have other reasons to disagree.

I could ask you the opposite of that question. Burning a flag pisses off the general population, I take that as evidence that flags represent people.
Do you object to the pissing and shitting on war memorials because it's public property or is it because it's disrespectful to the dead or both?

Asking me the opposite amounts to an argument from ignorance. You stated that flags represent governments, not people. I asked you why that would be true. Then asking me how it isn't true is an argument from ignorance.

As for your evidence, how is that evidence? It would piss me off if someone killed a guy because he was black. Does that mean black people now represent me? There is no solid connection between pissing someone off and representation.

And I'd object because it's public property. If they could buy miniature war memorials that they could keep in their own homes I wouldn't give a damn what they do to them.

It's a piece of fabric. If you want to burn it, go for it.

With all the real problems in the world, I couldn't care less what happened to a piece of cloth.

I think, like anything, it's the reason why they're burning it. They're doing it as a fuck you to the country so natural people will take offense to it. Burning the flag of the country you live in pisses me off but not because it's disrespectful, it's arrogant and self centred. It's like saying the whole country needs to change to suit our small group because we arn't happy. If you aren't happy then there's nothing stopping you from leaving.

Well it's a good way to piss people off if all else fails. It's really silly that a lot of places forbid flag burning, even though they're considered political statements. Saying you can't burn a flag is akin to censorship.

I don't care whatsoever. Burning is actually the only way to legally destroy our flag.

Its a flag... I don't know why people care so much about pointless symbols. I would be more upset about them burning an unused piece of paper. I mean that is actually useful.

My opinion on burning flags can be summed up as this:

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Also, lol at the picture in the OP, with his poorly drawn British flag, it's not even done correctly.

It's more disturbing than anything else, it just doesn't make sense to hate an entire country.

It doesn't bother me because I don't want to be a part of what the US flag currently stands for. The US flag today just represents corruption and waste, and seeing a representation of that being burned won't bother me in the slightest. Depending on the provocation, I might just cheer someone on for doing it, if the government was being particularly nasty that day.

dyre:
It seems mostly pointless. I think it's basically a way for angry people to vent without actually doing anything harmful (or useful).

People who get offended should keep in mind that it's just a piece of cloth that's being burnt, instead of, you know, a human being.

It's more than just a piece of cloth, it's a symbol; and by burning said symbol it's basically like saying "fuck you" to the nation the flag represents.

canadamus_prime:

dyre:
It seems mostly pointless. I think it's basically a way for angry people to vent without actually doing anything harmful (or useful).

People who get offended should keep in mind that it's just a piece of cloth that's being burnt, instead of, you know, a human being.

It's more than just a piece of cloth, it's a symbol; and by burning said symbol it's basically like saying "fuck you" to the nation the flag represents.

Uh, yeah, so? People aren't allowed to say "fuck you" to our nation? We've certainly earned plenty of "fuck you"s.

dyre:
It seems mostly pointless. I think it's basically a way for angry people to vent without actually doing anything harmful (or useful).

People who get offended should keep in mind that it's just a piece of cloth that's being burnt, instead of, you know, a human being.

if its just a piece of cloth......then why are they burning it? Oh, that's right cause its a symbol. And the people burn flags for the opposite reason others salute it.

Your logic is flawed.

dyre:

canadamus_prime:

dyre:
It seems mostly pointless. I think it's basically a way for angry people to vent without actually doing anything harmful (or useful).

People who get offended should keep in mind that it's just a piece of cloth that's being burnt, instead of, you know, a human being.

It's more than just a piece of cloth, it's a symbol; and by burning said symbol it's basically like saying "fuck you" to the nation the flag represents.

Uh, yeah, so? People aren't allowed to say "fuck you" to our nation? We've certainly earned plenty of "fuck you"s.

And other countries are blameless and pure as the wind driven snow, right?

girzwald:

dyre:

canadamus_prime:

It's more than just a piece of cloth, it's a symbol; and by burning said symbol it's basically like saying "fuck you" to the nation the flag represents.

Uh, yeah, so? People aren't allowed to say "fuck you" to our nation? We've certainly earned plenty of "fuck you"s.

And other countries are blameless and pure as the wind driven snow, right?

Switzerland is.

girzwald:

dyre:

canadamus_prime:

It's more than just a piece of cloth, it's a symbol; and by burning said symbol it's basically like saying "fuck you" to the nation the flag represents.

Uh, yeah, so? People aren't allowed to say "fuck you" to our nation? We've certainly earned plenty of "fuck you"s.

And other countries are blameless and pure as the wind driven snow, right?

I have nothing against people burning other countries' flags either...

girzwald:

dyre:
It seems mostly pointless. I think it's basically a way for angry people to vent without actually doing anything harmful (or useful).

People who get offended should keep in mind that it's just a piece of cloth that's being burnt, instead of, you know, a human being.

if its just a piece of cloth......then why are they burning it? Oh, that's right cause its a symbol. And the people burn flags for the opposite reason others salute it.

Your logic is flawed.

Burning a symbol harms who exactly? If one of your relatives or loved ones died from a symbol being burnt, then I wholeheartedly apologize.

dyre:

canadamus_prime:

dyre:
It seems mostly pointless. I think it's basically a way for angry people to vent without actually doing anything harmful (or useful).

People who get offended should keep in mind that it's just a piece of cloth that's being burnt, instead of, you know, a human being.

It's more than just a piece of cloth, it's a symbol; and by burning said symbol it's basically like saying "fuck you" to the nation the flag represents.

Uh, yeah, so? People aren't allowed to say "fuck you" to our nation? We've certainly earned plenty of "fuck you"s.

So nothing. I was just saying that flags are more than just "pieces of cloth." as you put it.

canadamus_prime:

dyre:

canadamus_prime:

It's more than just a piece of cloth, it's a symbol; and by burning said symbol it's basically like saying "fuck you" to the nation the flag represents.

Uh, yeah, so? People aren't allowed to say "fuck you" to our nation? We've certainly earned plenty of "fuck you"s.

So nothing. I was just saying that flags are more than just "pieces of cloth." as you put it.

Come on, man, read context. I was clearly pointing out that burning objects is completely harmless, and we really shouldn't bother with people for doing so when we live in a world where some people destroy human beings, not just flags.

US Flag Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8:
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

kinda funny how so many people go apeshit over flag burning when it is the proper way to destroy a flag.

Burning the flag has all of the significance of flipping someone off.

Oh no. /sarcasm

And it's about as mature as flipping someone off.

You know what's a lot worse than people destroying the flags of nations they have serious problems with?
People destroying the people of nations they have serious problems with.
Who cares about flag burning? It's a peice of clothe. If flag burning were to never happen again, would it change anything? I think with the one less way to vent frustrations and rage, the world would become a bit more of a violent, dangerous place because people would have to find something else to take shit out on.

I don't think I would be offended if somone set my country's flag on fire, but I would definitely not be indifferent about it. I think my reaction would be something like "Wha, why did you do that? Ok, ok, slow down - what did we do to make you this angry at us?"

Being Canadian, I've never seen a Canadian flag being burned EVER, whether it's in real life, on the news, a picture on the internet (although I'm sure if I actually Googled that, I'd probably find one, because hey, it's the internet!). Honestly, flags don't really mean anything to me, so it wouldn't really effect me to see one being burnt. I just roll my eyes at flag burners, because really, what are they trying to accomplish here, I mean come on. But no, it doesn't offend me.

Burning a flag is a form of protest. I may not like it or agree with it, but I believe in complete freedom of speech, and even people whom I disagree with can have valid ideas.

If its my flag from GoW 3 id probably be a little pissed.. but at the same time why are you in my house burning my things? other than that couldn't care less.. its the same as burning a pillow case to me.

I honestly get realllllyyyy aggravated at the act. Not because of the protest, but if a citizen of a country burns that countries flag, you better be damn sure you have a damn good reason to do it. A simple protest should not have a flag burning. A large protest against the government shouldn't have it. When a revolution is needed, that's when the flag should be burn in protest.

To put that in simpler terms, flag burning to me is renouncing everything about the country, since the flag is a symbol of the whole country and what it stands for.

Also, for the people saying 'Oh, hur hur, they burn it to destroy it', well yeah, but its in a MUCH different aspect. A respect for the flag is what that is, making sure that if the respect of the flag is broken(i.e., the strict rules), it wont continue to fly, and be disposed of properly. At least thats my interpretation.

Mortai Gravesend:

ToTaL LoLiGe:

Mortai Gravesend:

One is discriminatory, backed by a very negative past including violence and serious consequences.

The other is merely a gesture against the government of a nation and its actions.

One is a personal affront to people, the other is a comment on their feelings towards a government and how it's acted.

You say that flag burning is a gesture towards the government, I see it as a gesture against the people of a nation. Because of this I get as offended as someone that has been the victim of a racial slur.

That makes little sense since people burn their own flag. Thus they clearly mean it as a message against the government. It would make no sense as a message against themselves.

I am pretty sure their are numerous times when a group of people from a different country have burnt another countries flag, and meant to be offensive against the differing country as a whole not just its government. For example when extremist Muslims refer to America as "the great Satan" I don't think their just speaking about the American government, and following that logic if they burnt an American flag....

TheVioletBandit:

Mortai Gravesend:

ToTaL LoLiGe:

You say that flag burning is a gesture towards the government, I see it as a gesture against the people of a nation. Because of this I get as offended as someone that has been the victim of a racial slur.

That makes little sense since people burn their own flag. Thus they clearly mean it as a message against the government. It would make no sense as a message against themselves.

I am pretty sure their are numerous times when a group of people from a different country have burnt another countries flag, and meant to be offensive against the differing country as a whole not just its government. For example when extremist Muslims refer to America as "the great Satan" I don't think their just speaking about the government.

It's kind of hard to tell what they're talking about in particular.

But honestly, I'd imagine they're mostly upset about US actions in their region.

Mortai Gravesend:

TheVioletBandit:

Mortai Gravesend:

That makes little sense since people burn their own flag. Thus they clearly mean it as a message against the government. It would make no sense as a message against themselves.

I am pretty sure their are numerous times when a group of people from a different country have burnt another countries flag, and meant to be offensive against the differing country as a whole not just its government. For example when extremist Muslims refer to America as "the great Satan" I don't think their just speaking about the government.

It's kind of hard to tell what they're talking about in particular.

But honestly, I'd imagine they're mostly upset about US actions in their region.

Well the buildings they flew planes into were filled with civilians, most of the Americans they have captured and beheaded on their little videos were civilians, and they have no problem suicide bombing civilians. All this leads me to believe they dislike Americans not just the American government. It's actually a pretty obvious conclusion that their flag burning is meant to insult the nation as a whole, yet your trying to deny this for some reason.

TheVioletBandit:

Mortai Gravesend:

TheVioletBandit:

I am pretty sure their are numerous times when a group of people from a different country have burnt another countries flag, and meant to be offensive against the differing country as a whole not just its government. For example when extremist Muslims refer to America as "the great Satan" I don't think their just speaking about the government.

It's kind of hard to tell what they're talking about in particular.

But honestly, I'd imagine they're mostly upset about US actions in their region.

Well the buildings they flew planes into were filled with civilians, most of the Americans they have captured and beheaded on their little videos were civilians, and they have no problem suicide bombing civilians. All this leads me to believe they dislike Americans not just the American government. It's actually a pretty obvious conclusion that their flag burning is meant to insult the nation as a whole, yet your trying to deny this for some reason.

Okay, so I'm to believe that all those people I see on TV in the Middle East that happen to be Muslim and burning flags were in on 9/11. Yeah, sure.

I also don't see their lack of problem with killing civilians as proof they hate all Americans. They'll kill their own people in a suicide attack. I think it says more about how low they're willing to stoop to achieve their goals.

Halfstache:
US Flag Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8:
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

Wow so what you are telling me is that during the furor after the 11th of September terrorist attacks, all those companies who used the American Flag in their advertising were in fact breaking the US Flag code and as such breaking the law.. oh man thats too funny

TakeyB0y2:
Being Canadian, I've never seen a Canadian flag being burned EVER, whether it's in real life, on the news, a picture on the internet (although I'm sure if I actually Googled that, I'd probably find one, because hey, it's the internet!). Honestly, flags don't really mean anything to me, so it wouldn't really effect me to see one being burnt. I just roll my eyes at flag burners, because really, what are they trying to accomplish here, I mean come on. But no, it doesn't offend me.

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It happens, there were plenty to choose from.

xSKULLY:
its symbolic, by burning a flag you are declaring that you want to destroy the country who's flag you are burning, its like shoe-throwing in the middle east to show disrespect you throw shoes and burn flags in america you call some one a cunt

You'd think someone would white-wash a flag as a form of protest one of these days.

Personally I would be a little miffed, after which back to playing *insert favorite game here*. It's better than getting a shoe in the face that's for sure.

I have a problem with it because I have to. I can not abide dumb symbolic gestures.

Whether it is religious texts, books, flags, or effigies, it amounts to symbolizing closed-mindedness and barbarism. Learn to think for yourselves, and then learn how to do things that produce results other than hatred.

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