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ThatLankyBastard:
Question #1: Not necessarily...

I'm an athiest too but I don't do that. I do love to argue and if someone starts a religious debate then hell yeah, I'm gonna try and crush em!

...if your like me, very steadfast and willing to crush religion only when prevoked, then no, you aren't bad... However, if you go around slinging godless slander looking for a bitchfest then yes, yes you are a terrible person

Question #2: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_20?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=whose+line+is+it+anyway+complete+series&sprefix=whose+line+is+it+any%2Caps%2C259

If you wanna buy them (expensive, but it's alwys good to have a physical copy... A lot funner then pirating too!)

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6494063/Whose_Line_is_it_Anyway

If you wanna pirate it... Free, faster, and legal in Norway (isn't it?). You shouldn't have a dirty conscience for pirating movies. If you do anyways then... suck it up I guess. Go donate the money it would cost to buy it in a physical copy to a charity or something...

where have you heard that it is legal to pirate things in Norway? xD
no, no it's not. although I don't think anyone cares about Norway enough to actually do something about it if we pirate.
I'm very curious to hear what made you think that it was legal though, maybe you're thinking of the Swedish political party?

Cyfu:
1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?

There is nothing wrong with arguing about religion as long as you are being respectful. Also this is important if you are going to be telling people they are wrong you have to be open to the idea you could be wrong as well, you cannot question someone and not expect them to question you back.

Cyfu:

1) well, in my defense I am 17.. and yeah i know it is kind of stupid to think this way which is why I never actually do it.

2) I guess. I don't like to pirate things, but I really love the show. and what the hell is jiminy?

1. I'd rather call your feelings juvenile than call you a bad person over something that you aren't actually forcing on others. In fact, its good that you're aware of the consequences of acting on such desires.
We all have our own things, all we can do is keep them in check. :)

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Edit: Dammit, I totally messed up the quote....

1) That depends. Would you be interested in submitting to the great overlord of the cosmos urkidinoklad?

I mean, it's not like there's any other legitimate way to live life than following great lord urkidinoklad and his profound philosophies, right?

2) Not legal, but I personally wouldn't call the authorities on you if you did.

1. If you wanna bash your head against the wall, go ahead.
2. Dunno bout that. Being an American has A LOT of perks.

1) your not bad, just annoying. you are basically the atheist equivalent to the mormons everybody hates to see at their door. if people want to convert or look into religion then they will do so on their own. if they dont want to convert then that means they are firmly settle in their religion already and no amount of poking will make them move

your question is entirely illogical. religion is something rooted in faith and emotion and you cannot fight against such things with logic (the key tool for atheism). i cant convince a nazi to stop hating black people through biology, history, or my morals because they do not share any of those things with me on the issue and their reasonings are much more deeply rooted in who they are and thus uprooting them is to uproot the person entirely and people are extremely resistant to such things.

take a course in argumentation and your teacher should go over this when they come to the topic of writing/ speaking to the audience and keeping in mind who you are talking to. basically the more deeply rooted an idea the more difficulty one will have persuading them. if you insult the idea too much the audience takes it personally and wont expose themselves to your ideas but if you come across to soft then you appear weak and your claims do not seem grounded enough. so your walking a tight rop[e and you either solidify your audience or you reinforce them, either way you accomplish a goal contrary to your initial undertaking

2) im not touching this, i like my account

I thought I would revisit this post with a video. Someone that I subscribe to in YouTube recently posted this. It's a comedian trolling at the Global Atheist Convention in Melbourne. This is what happens when people take themselves too seriously and go frothing at the mouth for a fight.

Cyfu:
1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?

2) so I love the show "whose line is it anyway" but I can't buy it in any stores in Norway. I tried looking sites where i could order the seasons online, but they are locked to a region. I think it's locked to USA or something.
anyways, hypothetically could I Pirate the seasons with a clean conscience?

I DO NOT PIRATE ANYTHING!! IT'S JUST A QUESTION!! (gotta watch out for the banhammer)

1. Wanting to doesn't make you a bad person, just a human being. Actually being cruel to people by stamping on their beliefs would make you an unkind person, but I still wouldn't go as far as "bad".

2. With a clean conscience? Probably. Legally? No.

1) yeah, i would say so. Religion is a comfort to people, why would you take that away?

2) No. Pirating is wrong. I don't care what the justification is. However, you can stream them legally at whosline.org or whosline.com or something like that. I don't watch the show but like 2 days ago a friend was talking about this website that had a random button for a random episode and all the episodes and seasons.

Cyfu:
1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?

No. You're just trying to be edgy and cool so people will think "Wow, that guy's so unique, he grew faster than us!". I'm guessing you're a teenager! Don't worry, we all try to be edgy at some point. You'll grow out of it and look back thinking you were an idiot.

Cyfu:
1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?

2) so I love the show "whose line is it anyway" but I can't buy it in any stores in Norway. I tried looking sites where i could order the seasons online, but they are locked to a region. I think it's locked to USA or something.
anyways, hypothetically could I Pirate the seasons with a clean conscience?

I DO NOT PIRATE ANYTHING!! IT'S JUST A QUESTION!! (gotta watch out for the banhammer)

For question one:

Yeah, it makes you a bad person. It shows your inability to accept other people for the way they are and just get on with your life. You have no right to convert them just like they have no right to convert you. Seriously. Religious intolerance is just fucking dumb. What other people believe should have no affect on the way you live. Sure, if it genuinely DOES affect your life in a NEGATIVE way then perhaps you should speak up about it.

But that aint the case, you just want to "Crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are". Which in many ways makes you worse than an evangelical christian who knocks on your door and tries to convert you. I mean, They are trying to bring something new into your life which they genuinely think will make your life a happier one. You just want to make people miserable and take away their beliefs.

And god, I really want to point something out. But... Seriously, I think it would get me the banhammer. But you know what? I will point it out anyway.

Pretty sure Breivik wanted to "Crush" religious views. Well, those that are not Christian, anyway. Just saying, being openly religiously intolerant whilst simultaneously being Norweigen? Man, you are aligning yourself with him in my eyes.

Not that you are evil and whatnot.

But he wants a Norway without religious tolerance, without cultural tolerance. And you state outright that you wish you could crush peoples religious views.

Question two:

Piracy is piracy. Then again, property is theft (Go go socialist argument). So do as you wish.

FINALLY:

In my eyes the thing that makes you a really bad person is not your religious intolerance. Its not your consideration of Piracy. Tis your utter inability to remember to capitalize your I's. Its not hard.

RazadaMk2:

Cyfu:
1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?

2) so I love the show "whose line is it anyway" but I can't buy it in any stores in Norway. I tried looking sites where i could order the seasons online, but they are locked to a region. I think it's locked to USA or something.
anyways, hypothetically could I Pirate the seasons with a clean conscience?

I DO NOT PIRATE ANYTHING!! IT'S JUST A QUESTION!! (gotta watch out for the banhammer)

For question one:

Yeah, it makes you a bad person. It shows your inability to accept other people for the way they are and just get on with your life. You have no right to convert them just like they have no right to convert you. Seriously. Religious intolerance is just fucking dumb. What other people believe should have no affect on the way you live. Sure, if it genuinely DOES affect your life in a NEGATIVE way then perhaps you should speak up about it.

But that aint the case, you just want to "Crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are". Which in many ways makes you worse than an evangelical christian who knocks on your door and tries to convert you. I mean, They are trying to bring something new into your life which they genuinely think will make your life a happier one. You just want to make people miserable and take away their beliefs.

And god, I really want to point something out. But... Seriously, I think it would get me the banhammer. But you know what? I will point it out anyway.

Pretty sure Breivik wanted to "Crush" religious views. Well, those that are not Christian, anyway. Just saying, being openly religiously intolerant whilst simultaneously being Norweigen? Man, you are aligning yourself with him in my eyes.

Not that you are evil and whatnot.

But he wants a Norway without religious tolerance, without cultural tolerance. And you state outright that you wish you could crush peoples religious views.

Question two:

Piracy is piracy. Then again, property is theft (Go go socialist argument). So do as you wish.

FINALLY:

In my eyes the thing that makes you a really bad person is not your religious intolerance. Its not your consideration of Piracy. Tis your utter inability to remember to capitalize your I's. Its not hard.

Dude I don't care about anything bad you say about me, but comparing me with Breivik is too fucking far. And read the fucking post. I am not doing this. I haven't done this once. Not once and you're comparing me with the guy who did the most cruel thing in modern Norwegian history? Really? Get some perspective.

And names should always have capital letters. Breivik. Capital B. It's not hard.

Cyfu:

RazadaMk2:

Cyfu:
1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?

2) so I love the show "whose line is it anyway" but I can't buy it in any stores in Norway. I tried looking sites where i could order the seasons online, but they are locked to a region. I think it's locked to USA or something.
anyways, hypothetically could I Pirate the seasons with a clean conscience?

I DO NOT PIRATE ANYTHING!! IT'S JUST A QUESTION!! (gotta watch out for the banhammer)

For question one:

Yeah, it makes you a bad person. It shows your inability to accept other people for the way they are and just get on with your life. You have no right to convert them just like they have no right to convert you. Seriously. Religious intolerance is just fucking dumb. What other people believe should have no affect on the way you live. Sure, if it genuinely DOES affect your life in a NEGATIVE way then perhaps you should speak up about it.

But that aint the case, you just want to "Crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are". Which in many ways makes you worse than an evangelical christian who knocks on your door and tries to convert you. I mean, They are trying to bring something new into your life which they genuinely think will make your life a happier one. You just want to make people miserable and take away their beliefs.

And god, I really want to point something out. But... Seriously, I think it would get me the banhammer. But you know what? I will point it out anyway.

Pretty sure Breivik wanted to "Crush" religious views. Well, those that are not Christian, anyway. Just saying, being openly religiously intolerant whilst simultaneously being Norweigen? Man, you are aligning yourself with him in my eyes.

Not that you are evil and whatnot.

But he wants a Norway without religious tolerance, without cultural tolerance. And you state outright that you wish you could crush peoples religious views.

Question two:

Piracy is piracy. Then again, property is theft (Go go socialist argument). So do as you wish.

FINALLY:

In my eyes the thing that makes you a really bad person is not your religious intolerance. Its not your consideration of Piracy. Tis your utter inability to remember to capitalize your I's. Its not hard.

Dude I don't care about anything bad you say about me, but comparing me with Breivik is too fucking far. And read the fucking post. I am not doing this. I haven't done this once. Not once and you're comparing me with the guy who did the most cruel thing in modern Norwegian history? Really? Get some perspective.

And names should always have capital letters. Breivik. Capital B. It's not hard.

I just react when I see atheists doing exactly the same things they hate religious people for doing. Oh, and I am ever so sorry for assuming you practice what you preach. Although I can still dislike you for it. A pedo can state that they WANT to sleep with children but people will still react with hatred, despite the distinction that they wont, they just WANT to.

Oh, and I did clarify that I am in no way stating you are evil. Just that you should perhaps give your views a long hard think. Because, I hate to be the one that points it out, you and Breivik share at least that view. You are BOTH religiously intolerant. Now, I am in no way stating (As I have said) That I think you are evil. Nor do I think you are going to shoot a bunch of innocent people simply for their religious views.

However, I am stating that both you and Breivik are religiously intolerant. Because both you and Breivik are religiously intolerant. If you hate me for pointing that out, get over yourself. You are 17. Grow up and realise that religion cannot hurt you.

But whilst you still want to (Even if you dont do anything about it) "Crush" peoples religious beliefs, well, you will REMAIN uncomfortably close to the man you so hate. It is your choice of wording I am attempting to call you out on. You WILL have a tangible link (Religious/cultural intolerance) with Breivik until the point of time where you GET OVER YOUR INTOLERANCE.

That is not my fault. Hell, you can get as angry as you like. It truly will change nothing. So... Too far? Not really. Accurate.

Welcome to the internet. Tis a hateful place.

Filled with people who will hate you.

If you are a dick.

RazadaMk2:

Cyfu:

RazadaMk2:

For question one:

Yeah, it makes you a bad person. It shows your inability to accept other people for the way they are and just get on with your life. You have no right to convert them just like they have no right to convert you. Seriously. Religious intolerance is just fucking dumb. What other people believe should have no affect on the way you live. Sure, if it genuinely DOES affect your life in a NEGATIVE way then perhaps you should speak up about it.

But that aint the case, you just want to "Crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are". Which in many ways makes you worse than an evangelical christian who knocks on your door and tries to convert you. I mean, They are trying to bring something new into your life which they genuinely think will make your life a happier one. You just want to make people miserable and take away their beliefs.

And god, I really want to point something out. But... Seriously, I think it would get me the banhammer. But you know what? I will point it out anyway.

Pretty sure Breivik wanted to "Crush" religious views. Well, those that are not Christian, anyway. Just saying, being openly religiously intolerant whilst simultaneously being Norweigen? Man, you are aligning yourself with him in my eyes.

Not that you are evil and whatnot.

But he wants a Norway without religious tolerance, without cultural tolerance. And you state outright that you wish you could crush peoples religious views.

Question two:

Piracy is piracy. Then again, property is theft (Go go socialist argument). So do as you wish.

FINALLY:

In my eyes the thing that makes you a really bad person is not your religious intolerance. Its not your consideration of Piracy. Tis your utter inability to remember to capitalize your I's. Its not hard.

Dude I don't care about anything bad you say about me, but comparing me with Breivik is too fucking far. And read the fucking post. I am not doing this. I haven't done this once. Not once and you're comparing me with the guy who did the most cruel thing in modern Norwegian history? Really? Get some perspective.

And names should always have capital letters. Breivik. Capital B. It's not hard.

I just react when I see atheists doing exactly the same things they hate religious people for doing. Oh, and I am ever so sorry for assuming you practice what you preach. Although I can still dislike you for it. A pedo can state that they WANT to sleep with children but people will still react with hatred, despite the distinction that they wont, they just WANT to.

Oh, and I did clarify that I am in no way stating you are evil. Just that you should perhaps give your views a long hard think. Because, I hate to be the one that points it out, you and Breivik share at least that view. You are BOTH religiously intolerant. Now, I am in no way stating (As I have said) That I think you are evil. Nor do I think you are going to shoot a bunch of innocent people simply for their religious views.

However, I am stating that both you and Breivik are religiously intolerant. Because both you and Breivik are religiously intolerant. If you hate me for pointing that out, get over yourself. You are 17. Grow up and realise that religion cannot hurt you.

But whilst you still want to (Even if you dont do anything about it) "Crush" peoples religious beliefs, well, you will REMAIN uncomfortably close to the man you so hate. It is your choice of wording I am attempting to call you out on. You WILL have a tangible link (Religious/cultural intolerance) with Breivik until the point of time where you GET OVER YOUR INTOLERANCE.

That is not my fault. Hell, you can get as angry as you like. It truly will change nothing. So... Too far? Not really. Accurate.

Welcome to the internet. Tis a hateful place.

Filled with people who will hate you.

If you are a dick.

What you need to understand is that, me a teenager who wants to get the people in my school who claims that evolution is JUST A THEORY. I just want to make people understand that getting 2 of every species on an ark is impossible and that splitting the red sea is bullshit.

what Breivik wanted was to abolish Islam and immigrants from the middle-east. According to him Europe have had a secret war with the middle-east. so he wants to get them the hell out of our country which is why he attacked that summer camp. the camp was for the political party that was OK with immigration.

and Breivik is Christian. and very much so. he wants Norway to go back to it's old ways and be a very christian country.

Cyfu:

RazadaMk2:

Cyfu:

Dude I don't care about anything bad you say about me, but comparing me with Breivik is too fucking far. And read the fucking post. I am not doing this. I haven't done this once. Not once and you're comparing me with the guy who did the most cruel thing in modern Norwegian history? Really? Get some perspective.

And names should always have capital letters. Breivik. Capital B. It's not hard.

I just react when I see atheists doing exactly the same things they hate religious people for doing. Oh, and I am ever so sorry for assuming you practice what you preach. Although I can still dislike you for it. A pedo can state that they WANT to sleep with children but people will still react with hatred, despite the distinction that they wont, they just WANT to.

Oh, and I did clarify that I am in no way stating you are evil. Just that you should perhaps give your views a long hard think. Because, I hate to be the one that points it out, you and Breivik share at least that view. You are BOTH religiously intolerant. Now, I am in no way stating (As I have said) That I think you are evil. Nor do I think you are going to shoot a bunch of innocent people simply for their religious views.

However, I am stating that both you and Breivik are religiously intolerant. Because both you and Breivik are religiously intolerant. If you hate me for pointing that out, get over yourself. You are 17. Grow up and realise that religion cannot hurt you.

But whilst you still want to (Even if you dont do anything about it) "Crush" peoples religious beliefs, well, you will REMAIN uncomfortably close to the man you so hate. It is your choice of wording I am attempting to call you out on. You WILL have a tangible link (Religious/cultural intolerance) with Breivik until the point of time where you GET OVER YOUR INTOLERANCE.

That is not my fault. Hell, you can get as angry as you like. It truly will change nothing. So... Too far? Not really. Accurate.

Welcome to the internet. Tis a hateful place.

Filled with people who will hate you.

If you are a dick.

What you need to understand is that, me a teenager who wants to get the people in my school who claims that evolution is JUST A THEORY. I just want to make people understand that getting 2 of every species on an ark is impossible and that splitting the red sea is bullshit.

what Breivik wanted was to abolish Islam and immigrants from the middle-east. According to him Europe have had a secret war with the middle-east. so he wants to get them the hell out of our country which is why he attacked that summer camp. the camp was for the political party that was OK with immigration.

and Breivik is Christian. and very much so. he wants Norway to go back to it's old ways and be a very christian country.

Your use of the word "Crush" is what caused this entire issue.

If you had stated, for example, "I find religion to be a bit ridiculous and I disagree with the whole blind faith aspect of the entire fiasco" then I would have had no issue with you. But you used the word crush.

Indicating you want religion abolished. That cultural differences do not sit well with you. That you want Mecca to just be another city, the Vatican to fade into non-existence, all of the mosques/churches throughout the middle east and north africa to be burned. You want to "Crush" all of the differences that make humanity and society so very interesting. In my eyes that is no different from a man who wants to end multiculutralism within a single state.

Your methodology currently differs but, well, a man who wants to "Crush" religion at the age of 17 might want to do something more about it after a decade.

That is why I am being such a prick. Because of your choice of words. You did not state that youre issue was an intellectual one, you did not state that you take issue with the blind faith of some christians. You stated that you secretly (Because you do nothing about it) harbour an urge to CRUSH all religious faiths. That, in my eyes, Makes you an asshole.

Finally! (Because it is past midnight and this is circular, you are a child who fails to see the power of words) strictly speaking Evolution is a theory. There is no such thing as absolute fact. Let it be noted I am not disagreeing with the theory. But claiming that it is not a theory is as retarded as the people who claim that it is JUST a theory. It shows up your inability to understand the nature of science. As for your other two statements attempting to show just how retarded christianity is, here are two knowledge bombs for you.

1) The majority of what is in the Bible is similar to what is in any of the other religious texts. It is metaphor and allegory, not to be taken seriously.
2) There are scientific explanations for why the Red Sea could have plausably been at a low enough level to walk across. Now, I can aggree with you that it is rather unlikely this was due to the workings of a religious figure, but it is still possible (And therefore, not neccesarily bullshit) that this would have been the case.

Oh, and on one final note?

It would be very easy to argue that Breivik is not Christian whatsoever. Thou Shalt Not Kill. Much like there are muslim religious figures who point out that a suicide bombing is against Allah, along with the killing of women and children, and that a Jihad is a personal struggle not a military struggle (Neccesarily) there are plenty of moderate Christians who would point out that Breivik is not Christian by any stretch of the imagination. Also, I would argue his actions were more politically motivated than religiously motivated, he is agaisnt multiculturalism (Even briefly declaring that he did not accept the court as it was in a multicultural country) not Islam (neccesarily, I am being rather pedantic here, I will admit). He chose to attack a political camp that furthered the aims of multiculturalism, not a mosque. In his insane ramblings he has never stated that he wished to shoot any Muslims. Just kidnap and behead political leaders and the like.

In short?

Nothing you have said so far has changed my opinion that you are a child using words you do not fully comprehend. Nothing you have said so far has changed my opinion that you, like Breivik, are against multiculturalism, for only one who hated the differences between cultures would express a wish to "Crush" all religious faiths. I find the arguments you have made to be weak at best and faintly dangerous at worse.

Good day to you, Ser.

HardkorSB:
Hitchens loved to crush people's religious beliefs.
Do you consider him a bad person?

Yes, very much so. Not serial killer/rapist bad, but bad none the less. In my language he would be considered a "vakla" which is not the nicest of terms. It roughly translates to something like human-monster or ork-person. We would say, "vakla jot?" (jot meaning why), and shake our heads at him.

1.Yes. You're just as bad as a religious person trying to enforce their opinion on the "nonbelievers" and damning them if they don't. I believe that unless you want to come of as a jerk it's best to keep your views to yourself.
2.No clue on this. Just read the other answers I suppose.

1) Yeah, but who gives a shit? I'm the same way, and speaking as a smug asshole, there's no problem being a smug asshole. Just accept yourself for who you are, and if people don't like it, then that's they're problem.

2) No, and I hate people who try and justify piracy. I may pirate stuff, if that makes me a bad person, then darn, don't hide behind excuses that its free speech or whatever.

1. Yes it does. Plenty of people have already summed up why, but to restate them for effect; you shouldn't try to force your opinions on others. Also, trying to "crush" their views sounds extremely aggressive. People will only be offended by this approach, it will not change their opinion.

2. I'm not sure.

Cyfu:
1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?

More or less. My rule of thumb is "don't be that guy". You know, the guy who's always talking about how shit the bible is. Only smash religion like the opiate it is when someone else brings it up first--and brings up the other side, I mean. If you go on the attack, everyone will think you're an ass and further the stereotype that all atheists are assholes. If you stay defensive, you'll crush your attacker seemingly out of nowhere, your audience will enjoy the show and your adversary will back away recenting you, but will still respect you--more or less.
Until that time, arm yourself with examples, so you're ready.
EDIT: Also relax, DO NOT come across aggressive, or else your defense is just as much an offense. And never insualt your opponent, you'll never change them that way.

Don't forget that religion is a source of comfort for many people.

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2) so I love the show "whose line is it anyway" but I can't buy it in any stores in Norway. I tried looking sites where i could order the seasons online, but they are locked to a region. I think it's locked to USA or something.
anyways, hypothetically could I Pirate the seasons with a clean conscience?

I DO NOT PIRATE ANYTHING!! IT'S JUST A QUESTION!! (gotta watch out for the banhammer)

If you were around for Extra Credit, then you'd see that if it's the only way you can get it, then it's justifiable. I'd look for places that stream it online first. I'm pretty sure I've found it before.

1) Why do you have to be so insecure in your own beliefs that you feel people can't also have their own? You aren't bad, just extremely immature.

2) That's a personal thing, legally it might be a bad idea, morally is up to you. Personally I'm not a fan of the show but I'll respect that you like different things, as I understand you wouldn't offer the same opportunity.

Cyfu:
1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?

If youre actively trying to do it without provacation yes you are, just as the religious who actively try to convert someone are. its those type of people that give their repsective fellow believers a bad name.

2) so I love the show "whose line is it anyway" but I can't buy it in any stores in Norway. I tried looking sites where i could order the seasons online, but they are locked to a region. I think it's locked to USA or something.
anyways, hypothetically could I Pirate the seasons with a clean conscience?

I DO NOT PIRATE ANYTHING!! IT'S JUST A QUESTION!! (gotta watch out for the banhammer)

Have you never heard of amazon? Or does Norway forbid it, cause if so you should move.
So basically no you shouldnt pirate, and thats honestly one of the poorest reasons to if you were trying to justify it.

Cyfu:
1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?

Not really. I think too often atheists' balls drop off in religious debate when they back down and 'understand' that "it's their beliefs", "it doesn't do anyone any harm", "who am I to say blah blah cop-out bollocks". In a religious debate people who argue for religion look me in the face and say I'm wrong, (and often a lot worse,) so I look at them and tell them they're wrong and I'll damn well tell them why. That is respecting someone's faith, not floating around the issue and making concessions about this and that because you don't want to offend them. Fuck that. If I were to argue against someone who insisted the world was created in six days 6000 years ago it is not respectful to say "I respect your beliefs but I disagree" and not comment further. It's patronising. It's like patting a four year old on the head and encouraging him when he says he's going to grow up to be Spiderman - except the kid is middle-aged and should fucking know better.

That being said I wouldn't advocate for you to start standing on street corners and shouting. By all means discuss, get involved in debate but actively seeking out confrontation is not beneficial for anyone.

2) so I love the show "whose line is it anyway" but I can't buy it in any stores in Norway. I tried looking sites where i could order the seasons online, but they are locked to a region. I think it's locked to USA or something.
anyways, hypothetically could I Pirate the seasons with a clean conscience?

I DO NOT PIRATE ANYTHING!! IT'S JUST A QUESTION!! (gotta watch out for the banhammer)

For a long time piracy has not been a criminal problem but a service problem and many people resort to it simply because the producers and distributors don't allow them to pay for the product. I can't see any harm in this. The argument against piracy is that it robs the producer of a potential sale - but in your case this sale never existed in the first place. If you really wanted to be morally pure than you could send them a cheque but really if they wanted your money they would, (or should,) have offered it to you for sale. Just my opinion.

"1) so, I am an atheist and I want to convince religious people that their view is wrong. I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are. Am i a bad person?"

Yes. Yes you are. Let me put it to you this way: Would you consider a religious person who tries to do this to you a bad person?
The problem isn't if you're right or wrong, it's the fact that you show no respect towards something that's integral to other people's lives, and that makes you a bad person.

1) yep, as a matter of fact, you're the type of person who causes most modern problems.

Good day to you sir

Daystar Clarion:
I can't be the only one who loves the irony in that post...

It's friggin' killing me over here.

Oh no. It's not just you. Not at all. I laughed after I read both questions. Glad I'm not the only one who caught it.

Cyfu:
where have you heard that it is legal to pirate things in Norway? xD
no, no it's not. although I don't think anyone cares about Norway enough to actually do something about it if we pirate.
I'm very curious to hear what made you think that it was legal though, maybe you're thinking of the Swedish political party?

*sigh* don't mind me... I'm that guy that asks his idiot friends before he looks things up himself...

...looking back now, probably not the best idea...

Either question isn't worthy of a response.

RazadaMk2:

Cyfu:

RazadaMk2:

I just react when I see atheists doing exactly the same things they hate religious people for doing. Oh, and I am ever so sorry for assuming you practice what you preach. Although I can still dislike you for it. A pedo can state that they WANT to sleep with children but people will still react with hatred, despite the distinction that they wont, they just WANT to.

Oh, and I did clarify that I am in no way stating you are evil. Just that you should perhaps give your views a long hard think. Because, I hate to be the one that points it out, you and Breivik share at least that view. You are BOTH religiously intolerant. Now, I am in no way stating (As I have said) That I think you are evil. Nor do I think you are going to shoot a bunch of innocent people simply for their religious views.

However, I am stating that both you and Breivik are religiously intolerant. Because both you and Breivik are religiously intolerant. If you hate me for pointing that out, get over yourself. You are 17. Grow up and realise that religion cannot hurt you.

But whilst you still want to (Even if you dont do anything about it) "Crush" peoples religious beliefs, well, you will REMAIN uncomfortably close to the man you so hate. It is your choice of wording I am attempting to call you out on. You WILL have a tangible link (Religious/cultural intolerance) with Breivik until the point of time where you GET OVER YOUR INTOLERANCE.

That is not my fault. Hell, you can get as angry as you like. It truly will change nothing. So... Too far? Not really. Accurate.

Welcome to the internet. Tis a hateful place.

Filled with people who will hate you.

If you are a dick.

What you need to understand is that, me a teenager who wants to get the people in my school who claims that evolution is JUST A THEORY. I just want to make people understand that getting 2 of every species on an ark is impossible and that splitting the red sea is bullshit.

what Breivik wanted was to abolish Islam and immigrants from the middle-east. According to him Europe have had a secret war with the middle-east. so he wants to get them the hell out of our country which is why he attacked that summer camp. the camp was for the political party that was OK with immigration.

and Breivik is Christian. and very much so. he wants Norway to go back to it's old ways and be a very christian country.

Your use of the word "Crush" is what caused this entire issue.

If you had stated, for example, "I find religion to be a bit ridiculous and I disagree with the whole blind faith aspect of the entire fiasco" then I would have had no issue with you. But you used the word crush.

Indicating you want religion abolished. That cultural differences do not sit well with you. That you want Mecca to just be another city, the Vatican to fade into non-existence, all of the mosques/churches throughout the middle east and north africa to be burned. You want to "Crush" all of the differences that make humanity and society so very interesting. In my eyes that is no different from a man who wants to end multiculutralism within a single state.

Your methodology currently differs but, well, a man who wants to "Crush" religion at the age of 17 might want to do something more about it after a decade.

That is why I am being such a prick. Because of your choice of words. You did not state that youre issue was an intellectual one, you did not state that you take issue with the blind faith of some christians. You stated that you secretly (Because you do nothing about it) harbour an urge to CRUSH all religious faiths. That, in my eyes, Makes you an asshole.

Finally! (Because it is past midnight and this is circular, you are a child who fails to see the power of words) strictly speaking Evolution is a theory. There is no such thing as absolute fact. Let it be noted I am not disagreeing with the theory. But claiming that it is not a theory is as retarded as the people who claim that it is JUST a theory. It shows up your inability to understand the nature of science. As for your other two statements attempting to show just how retarded christianity is, here are two knowledge bombs for you.

1) The majority of what is in the Bible is similar to what is in any of the other religious texts. It is metaphor and allegory, not to be taken seriously.
2) There are scientific explanations for why the Red Sea could have plausably been at a low enough level to walk across. Now, I can aggree with you that it is rather unlikely this was due to the workings of a religious figure, but it is still possible (And therefore, not neccesarily bullshit) that this would have been the case.

Oh, and on one final note?

It would be very easy to argue that Breivik is not Christian whatsoever. Thou Shalt Not Kill. Much like there are muslim religious figures who point out that a suicide bombing is against Allah, along with the killing of women and children, and that a Jihad is a personal struggle not a military struggle (Neccesarily) there are plenty of moderate Christians who would point out that Breivik is not Christian by any stretch of the imagination. Also, I would argue his actions were more politically motivated than religiously motivated, he is agaisnt multiculturalism (Even briefly declaring that he did not accept the court as it was in a multicultural country) not Islam (neccesarily, I am being rather pedantic here, I will admit). He chose to attack a political camp that furthered the aims of multiculturalism, not a mosque. In his insane ramblings he has never stated that he wished to shoot any Muslims. Just kidnap and behead political leaders and the like.

In short?

Nothing you have said so far has changed my opinion that you are a child using words you do not fully comprehend. Nothing you have said so far has changed my opinion that you, like Breivik, are against multiculturalism, for only one who hated the differences between cultures would express a wish to "Crush" all religious faiths. I find the arguments you have made to be weak at best and faintly dangerous at worse.

Good day to you, Ser.

ok, so the only problem you have is that I used a word that I shouldn't have used? I see that "crush" might not have been the best word to describe what I want, but you know what? shit happens.

Cyfu:
1) Am i a bad person?

2)hypothetically could I Pirate the seasons with a clean conscience?

1. Lets see, you're atheist, want to crush religious people...
Do you want religious people to try with all their might to convince you there is a god? No you don't, so if you do the exact same thing (opposit), of course you are a bad person then, more of an ass hole but isn't that the same?

2. If you haven't ever pirated anything (like myself) then I think you wouldn't be able to do it with a clean concsio, consie, concio9usiouis... (yeah yeah spelling please!) but then again pirating that one thing could make you see how "easy" it was and start doing it more.

imahobbit4062:
Taking bets on how long this thread will last. Anyone care to join?

6 bits, my good lad.

In all seriousness, yes, that kind of makes you a dick. That's what they believe, that's what you believe, leave it like that, eh?

And I have no freaking idea.

FabiotheTurtle:

imahobbit4062:
Taking bets on how long this thread will last. Anyone care to join?

6 bits, my good lad.

In all seriousness, yes, that kind of makes you a dick. That's what they believe, that's what you believe, leave it like that, eh?

And I have no freaking idea.

I think this thread lasted longer than than he thought it would ^^

JoshTheREfan:
1.Yes. You're just as bad as a religious person trying to enforce their opinion on the "nonbelievers" and damning them if they don't. I believe that unless you want to come of as a jerk it's best to keep your views to yourself.

Actually I'd say it's worse than when religious people try to indoctrinate others. At least theists have a logical justification for trying to convert people: they're trying to save their soul from eternal damnation. In that respect it actually seems quite reasonable (and generous)of them.

For an atheist, who doesn't believe in an afterlife, there's no real reason for you to want to convert others. In your eyes their fate is the same either way. So basically you're being a dick just to be a dick.

Crush their views! Show how wrong they are! From your OP it sounds like you're the atheist equivalent of the religious extremists that want to do the same but from the your later posts really you just want to point out that evolution is more than 'just a theory.' I would take more caution in what words you use next time because crush sounds fanatical. It's the type of language the Imperium of Man would use in Warhammer 40,000. Yes Warhammer 40,000.

Cyfu:
I want to crush their views so that they realize how wrong they are.

What is your definition of a bad person?

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