For saintly reasons? No, they chose it because they believed that it was the right thing to do. Considering the terrible cost it could come at, they have my respect. I wouldn't have the balls to go into a combat situation like that. That's why I feel they deserve my respect, even if I totally disagree with what they're doing.
Elate: So, I'm a young, naive 19 year old, can I go pirate tens of thousands of DVDs a year and give them out to over seas political representatives? Oh wait, no, it's against the law. This man knows it's against the law, and soldiers sign up for that crap, they know what they're getting into.. How is any of this justified.. Jail, blatantly he won't last long enough, he should be fined, and just because he's old doesn't excuse him of, y'know the law, that applies to everyone, I mean after all, he can spend $30'000 setting up the operation.
Hah. Yeah, glorify them. As if that nonsense doesn't happen enough already. They don't deserve respect if they have the guts to do the wrong thing, they deserve respect if they actually do the right thing.
As for Big Hy, his age doesn't excuse his actions, but I doubt he'll be jailed for it. And if he's sued, it'll look terrible for the MPAA, especially with media attention on him.
He probably will get away with it. Doesn't mean I approve.
He's making people in a terrible situation happy, the monster!
Of course when you have a weak argument you need to misrepresent what exactly the other side opposes. Not a surprise, however disappointing such a display of dishonesty is.
I'd say he could have done it in a legal manner. And that they're out there is their choice, not something that means the law should be ignored.
Seriously, what kind of cynical asshole are you, that you can't even show the slightest joy that this one man took days out of his life to make hundreds of people fighting for their cause happy?
My God I'm going to be hated by everyone for their choice to ignore the rules and insult me -__-
Anyway, why would I be so happy about it? He could have bought DVDs and sent them himself. People being happy doesn't mean it's good to break the law so unnecessarily.
I'm completely against risking your life for a country that doesn't repay it, and doesn't treat it's citizens as well as it should, but I still disagree with you.
Okay? I don't really care about your other views so...?
At least these soldiers are fighting for a cause they believe in. You're a person on the internet, who knows nothing about this whole situation other than the text in the article. And you're judging these people. You've got more problems than these soldiers or this elderly man I'd say.
Why would I be fighting for a cause I believe in? I'm busy getting a degree. And the causes I believe in most at the moment I would do a disservice to by committing violence in their name.
And I know enough about the situation. It's illegal and unnecessary.
And why would I have more problems? Because you said so? I'm living a rather ordinary life so I doubt it.
Mortai Gravesend: And you can give that not stealing anything to drive someone out of a home argument for regular piracy too. I don't think it holds well in either case. In fact I could say that to shoplifting too. Not that I think piracy is like traditional theft, before anyone jumps on me it was the word used in the post I am replying to, but I do think that argument is bad. And them not caring doesn't really affect anything, does it?
Before I debate with you- let me just say that I am not mad in the least if you disagree with me. I've seen a few people getting on you and I am not one of them. Just like expressing myself now and again just so I improve on my debating skills. Alright moving on now, sorry bout that~
Oh it's fine. I've seen you around and I know what you're like. You're a very nice person and even if you said something that could be taken as some kind of attack I'd be inclined to think it was just misworded. Thanks for the disclaimer, even if it was unneeded, the thought is appreciated.
OT: If someone offers you a free DVD while you're pretty bored and tired of doing activities that are part of the job, are you really going to refuse that offer? The soldiers won't be thinking "Oh man, this geezer is breaking the law with piracy. We shouldn't accept men." but rather they'll be thinking, "OH f*** yes a free movie?! Finally something to do rather then playing with these deck of cards for the 55th time!" Haha I can imagine their excitement too. You'd be surprised how grateful people can be when given something to them while they've had nothing going on for months.
Yeah, but I've said nothing about the soldiers for accepting it. I've not once said anything against them for their actions in accepting it. So I don't know why their view would matter all that much. I can see why they'd accept, it just doesn't seem relevant to what I've argued.
Okay, right it might not be a huge issue to them. But I'll also point out that plenty of other people don't see it as a huge issue either. I don't think that perception changes much.
.. But, if it's not a big deal then shouldn't the 92 year old be let off? Sure he still broke the law and that's wrong but you got to admit his heart was in the right place. If you went with me, to look outside the box- regardless how you felt after, we know for a fact that the guy only sent DVDs to soldiers because he was in WW2 and understands how tough it is so a little relief and fun is the least this guy can do for men serving their country.
I said it wouldn't be a big issue to them. I imagine some companies might be kind of pissed. I mean alone he kind of gave away over a million dollars of merchandise. And like I said, perception about it not being a big issue would let others off too.
As for his motives, yeah I can see why he'd do it. He will of course feel particularly sympathetic to them given his background. But I don't think that means it was alright to do it. And note that I'm not calling for any particular punishment for him. At worst I saw someone say community service and I might just shrug and say that seems appropriate. I just disapprove of what he did is the main point I have.
I'm not saying to stop them. What's done is done.
As for the soldiers giving us a piece of their mind, that would just be petty of them. The exact message that sends out is they think they're above the law, or more accurately that someone else is above the law because he's being nice to them.
I wouldn't personally petty them, for it's actually civil and mature of them to give us feedback on how they feel rather then start problems. If we were to say the same thing about fans who were giving their concerns about how a game ended or whatever seems to be an issue.. then that would leave people having to accept what happens when really the majority (or even the community) should voice their opinions to help out the outcome. If say, my college was only selling their school books to girls 50% off while the guys had to pay full price and yet we'd be called out as petty for voicing out the unfairness that's being taken place before us. Freedom of speech may have it's flaws, but because of this we can get our points across despite if it needs to be addressed on manners like being allowed to have free DVDs even though it was pirated in the first place.
But the thing is I just think such an opinion would be very entitled. And indeed I might throw that same criticism at fans depending on their exact complaint. Sure they are free to complain if they like, but at the same time I'm free to look at what it is they're complaining about and say "What, that's not a very good complaint, that's petty". I'm good with freedom of speech being used to complain about something that is wrong, but while I will accept people complaining about stuff I don't think they should complain about, I will call them out on it if I think the complaint is flawed.
Mortai Gravesend: Oh it's fine. I've seen you around and I know what you're like. You're a very nice person and even if you said something that could be taken as some kind of attack I'd be inclined to think it was just misworded. Thanks for the disclaimer, even if it was unneeded, the thought is appreciated.
I try to be as nice as possible. Nothing gets resolved when one flames the other.. it's the matter of debating while understanding one another that shall truly get a thread going. But I do indeed appreciate your compliment thus I thank you. Sadly you're a better debater so I am unsure how well I will pull this off.
Yeah, but I've said nothing about the soldiers for accepting it. I've not once said anything against them for their actions in accepting it. So I don't know why their view would matter all that much. I can see why they'd accept, it just doesn't seem relevant to what I've argued.
To me, everyone's view matters. I don't care if someone believes that a horse is the capital symbol for homosexuals or if they find rain to be angels peeing from the heavens- I will accept their views as to be taken seriously. (Lol odd examples I know) but in truth we can still question why they see it as such and take their words into consideration even if we know from the start they're wrong (accepting the DVDs from the legend of pirating, this 92 year old man). But just wanted to say their views do matter, otherwise we'd be no better. Not saying you discard their views, but am just throwing it out there.
I said it wouldn't be a big issue to them. I imagine some companies might be kind of pissed. I mean alone he kind of gave away over a million dollars of merchandise. And like I said, perception about it not being a big issue would let others off too.
As for his motives, yeah I can see why he'd do it. He will of course feel particularly sympathetic to them given his background. But I don't think that means it was alright to do it. And note that I'm not calling for any particular punishment for him. At worst I saw someone say community service and I might just shrug and say that seems appropriate. I just disapprove of what he did is the main point I have.
The worst punishment I can see the old man getting put under watch. They can try to sue him or place him in jail but.. he is 92, I am unsure how successful or intimidating they'd be by placing a really old guy in such conditions when he could pass away anytime now.
This may be seen as a weak argument, but even Jim (on The Escapist) said it himself- that we shouldn't pirate things that are cheap but when we're cornered by corrupted companies that try to rip the people off one way or another with DLCs, overpriced products, or anything dealing with unfairness- pirating can be seen as acceptional. After all, companies (not all) do try to find ways in making more money regardless of the tactics. Cash grabs are the biggest conflict I see in the movie industry and though it was my choice to pay a full $20 to see it.. the movie should still try to keep it's promise of being good in the trailers (I mean least try, not just be an obvious cash grab because there's a difference in a movie having potential but being a let down.. then a movie that was made to look good but really lacked a lot of things on purpose.)
The reason why I bring this up because the soldiers do not have a place to attend seeing the movies or even buying one for that matter. Their one resort is getting a DVD as a gift from someone through connections but because there are so many soldiers.. the old man felt piracy was the way to go. I still don't agree with his tactic but I can understand the guy didn't want to spend $1 million dollars just so the soldiers can have some time to pass and enjoy themselves because.. they can die the next day sadly.
But the thing is I just think such an opinion would be very entitled. And indeed I might throw that same criticism at fans depending on their exact complaint. Sure they are free to complain if they like, but at the same time I'm free to look at what it is they're complaining about and say "What, that's not a very good complaint, that's petty". I'm good with freedom of speech being used to complain about something that is wrong, but while I will accept people complaining about stuff I don't think they should complain about, I will call them out on it if I think the complaint is flawed.
True, true.. you have a right to get on someone for their concern/opinion if not seen as a complaint entirely. Yet, I do want to address that small things matter in life believe it or not. Ever tried giving a small gesture to a girl? They pick up on that and whether they like you or not, it gives an impression on what they think about you (for better or worse). So to the soldiers, they'll see this as a bullcrap call by the government. To them, the guy who was generous enough to supply them with a nice DVD is charged by the government they've sworn to protect and aid due to their love for their country. It may seem over the top, but I can picture that.
Day 1: "Hey, check this out! A WW2 vet gave me a free DVD to watch! God bless that guy!"
Day 2: "... Wait, the old man was charged for giving us soldiers free DVDs? Really?! I serve this country and a guy as respectful as him got charged for this?!"
Day 3: *Crap hits the fan, due to everyone getting in on the action*
Mortai Gravesend: Oh it's fine. I've seen you around and I know what you're like. You're a very nice person and even if you said something that could be taken as some kind of attack I'd be inclined to think it was just misworded. Thanks for the disclaimer, even if it was unneeded, the thought is appreciated.
I try to be as nice as possible. Nothing gets resolved when one flames the other.. it's the matter of debating while understanding one another that shall truly get a thread going. But I do indeed appreciate your compliment thus I thank you. Sadly you're a better debater so I am unsure how well I will pull this off.
And thanks for that compliment. It probably comes from debating on the Internet over so many things, some trivial some not so much, over... 5 years? *sigh* -__-
Yeah, but I've said nothing about the soldiers for accepting it. I've not once said anything against them for their actions in accepting it. So I don't know why their view would matter all that much. I can see why they'd accept, it just doesn't seem relevant to what I've argued.
To me, everyone's view matters. I don't care if someone believes that a horse is the capital symbol for homosexuals or if they find rain to be angels peeing from the heavens- I will accept their views as to be taken seriously. (Lol odd examples I know) but in truth we can still question why they see it as such and take their words into consideration even if we know from the start they're wrong (accepting the DVDs from the legend of pirating, this 92 year old man). But just wanted to say their views do matter, otherwise we'd be no better. Not saying you discard their views, but am just throwing it out there.
Well we can question why they see it that way, but when it comes down to it I'll have my own view which will necessarily contradict some other views. In the end to form my own view I'll make my own judgements, which in this case don't seem to find what they think to be compelling insofar as what ought to have been done.
I said it wouldn't be a big issue to them. I imagine some companies might be kind of pissed. I mean alone he kind of gave away over a million dollars of merchandise. And like I said, perception about it not being a big issue would let others off too.
As for his motives, yeah I can see why he'd do it. He will of course feel particularly sympathetic to them given his background. But I don't think that means it was alright to do it. And note that I'm not calling for any particular punishment for him. At worst I saw someone say community service and I might just shrug and say that seems appropriate. I just disapprove of what he did is the main point I have.
The worst punishment I can see the old man getting put under watch. They can try to sue him or place him in jail but.. he is 92, I am unsure how successful or intimidating they'd be by placing a really old guy in such conditions when he could pass away anytime now.
Suing him or jail do seem over the top given his age. Should be easy enough to watch him if they're worried he'll reoffend.
This may be seen as a weak argument, but even Jim (on The Escapist) said it himself- that we shouldn't pirate things that are cheap but when we're cornered by corrupted companies that try to rip the people off one way or another with DLCs, overpriced products, or anything dealing with unfairness- pirating can be seen as acceptional. After all, companies (not all) do try to find ways in making more money regardless of the tactics. Cash grabs are the biggest conflict I see in the movie industry and though it was my choice to pay a full $20 to see it.. the movie should still try to keep it's promise of being good in the trailers (I mean least try, not just be an obvious cash grab because there's a difference in a movie having potential but being a let down.. then a movie that was made to look good but really lacked a lot of things on purpose.)
The reason why I bring this up because the soldiers do not have a place to attend seeing the movies or even buying one for that matter. Their one resort is getting a DVD as a gift from someone through connections but because there are so many soldiers.. the old man felt piracy was the way to go. I still don't agree with his tactic but I can understand the guy didn't want to spend $1 million dollars just so the soldiers can have some time to pass and enjoy themselves because.. they can die the next day sadly.
Yes, but that is hardly the fault of the industry, now is it? They're not in a very good location for that kind of service. It's hardly an intentional slight or something that I think they can reasonably be expected to do differently. And sure he didn't have the million dollars, but here a quick google search tells me you can get... 50 DVD-R discs for 15 dollars. For 300k discs that's 90,000. He can still get over 1000 new DVDs with that. Small compared to 300k, but still a huge amount. In fact considering the amount he'd save on shipping he could get a few more too. He could still do something significant.
Also I'm not very convinced that bad practices would have justified piracy anyway. Poor pricing and the like should result in a refusal to buy in my book, not piracy.
But the thing is I just think such an opinion would be very entitled. And indeed I might throw that same criticism at fans depending on their exact complaint. Sure they are free to complain if they like, but at the same time I'm free to look at what it is they're complaining about and say "What, that's not a very good complaint, that's petty". I'm good with freedom of speech being used to complain about something that is wrong, but while I will accept people complaining about stuff I don't think they should complain about, I will call them out on it if I think the complaint is flawed.
True, true.. you have a right to get on someone for their concern/opinion if not seen as a complaint entirely. Yet, I do want to address that small things matter in life believe it or not. Ever tried giving a small gesture to a girl? They pick up on that and whether they like you or not, it gives an impression on what they think about you (for better or worse). So to the soldiers, they'll see this as a bullcrap call by the government. To them, the guy who was generous enough to supply them with a nice DVD is charged by the government they've sworn to protect and aid due to their love for their country. It may seem over the top, but I can picture that.
Day 1: "Hey, check this out! A WW2 vet gave me a free DVD to watch! God bless that guy!"
Day 2: "... Wait, the old man was charged for giving us soldiers free DVDs? Really?! I serve this country and a guy as respectful as him got charged for this?!"
Day 3: *Crap hits the fan, due to everyone getting in on the action*
But the thing is I really take issue with the second part of your Day 2 reaction. That is what I would think is petty. The idea that they would deserve such respect that ignores the law. That kind of attitude I really dislike. If someone is trying to say they serve the country then they better be sure they don't think that means they get special exemptions from the law. That kind of attitude makes me think of corruption really. I do get that some people might view it that way, but I cannot approve of such a view.
There is a huge gap between the drafted men from all walks of life fighting an actual invading force and threat in World War 2 to the guys who signed up for college money and got used by corporate owned politicians to fight a war that was not only over nothing, but we now know our leadership KNEW was about nothing.
I feel bad for the horrors both groups might run into, but far, far, FAR more for the former.
The fact that he's a 92-year-old WW2 vet doesn't change my opinion on the matter. It does, however, give me that happy little sappy feeling I try ever so hard to ignore whenever it surfaces...but I'll let it slide for now, due to the sheer scope of what the man accomplished for no financial gain and, instead, severe financial loss.
Arguing it doesn't really do any good. It happened. He accepts that he breached copyright law and still stands by the decision.
Good on him.
"Law"s aren't inherently good or bad and, in this case, the good done by breaking said law far outweighs the value of the law itself.
Regardless of how you feel about the troops or their actions, I'd expect at least some semblance of respect for the fact that they're actually out there handling the shit they handle. God knows I wouldn't do it.
It's a choice they made, certainly, but that fact doesn't negate how damned impressive it is that they actually go through with it, one tour at a time.
So, hell, give them DVDs. The fact that the movie companies haven't been doing this already is a bit disappointing to me to begin with.
All opinion, mind. Enjoy yours and I'll enjoy mine.
madster11: Hey nubs, if you actually read the article you would know that he sent them DVDs of movies not yet released in some cinemas in the US.
Feel free to try and explain to me how those soldiers were supposed to do it the legal way by viewing said movies in a theater in the middle of a war.
They wouldn't. I don't see why they should be given that privilege anyway.
I don't see why you should be given the privileged of no forced conscription, but here we are.
Is there something that prevents you from keeping on topic, like someone forcing you to post such pointless and irrelevant things, or are you just avoiding the point on purpose?
Mortai Gravesend: And thanks for that compliment. It probably comes from debating on the Internet over so many things, some trivial some not so much, over... 5 years? *sigh* -__-
I've only been debating for maybe, a year or two so... I give you props for knowing your stuff. Hopefully when this is all over, I will leave here alive knowing another person's perspective on things. Not saying this is my last post but still mentioning it lol.
Well we can question why they see it that way, but when it comes down to it I'll have my own view which will necessarily contradict some other views. In the end to form my own view I'll make my own judgements, which in this case don't seem to find what they think to be compelling insofar as what ought to have been done.
To be honest, I weigh on what the soldiers do and the importance of this law against piracy. True that the corporation(s) are losing money but the soldiers lives are more important in my book. If I am going to die the next day (possibly), then why would I be concerned over a law on piracy if it means I get a free DVD to watch? It'll keep my mind off the chaos and not get me dwelling on being away from my family, my friends. I know laws help society out but piracy still has a lot to work on before being a brilliant law (because though I agree no one is higher then the law, the government shouldn't try to pass a bill called SOPA onto the people which takes eliminating piracy to a whole new level).
Suing him or jail do seem over the top given his age. Should be easy enough to watch him if they're worried he'll reoffend.
Ether that or they can restrict him from using the internet, but I am unsure if that's even legal to do *shrug*.
Yes, but that is hardly the fault of the industry, now is it? They're not in a very good location for that kind of service. It's hardly an intentional slight or something that I think they can reasonably be expected to do differently. And sure he didn't have the million dollars, but here a quick google search tells me you can get... 50 DVD-R discs for 15 dollars. For 300k discs that's 90,000. He can still get over 1000 new DVDs with that. Small compared to 300k, but still a huge amount. In fact considering the amount he'd save on shipping he could get a few more too. He could still do something significant.
Also I'm not very convinced that bad practices would have justified piracy anyway. Poor pricing and the like should result in a refusal to buy in my book, not piracy.
Perhaps the money wasn't the only reason this old man decided to rely on piracy. The steps it would take to buy/ship DVDs would be a hassle so doing so online would be easier (well depending on the person. Some like to lay back and do the thinking work while others like to do the handy work like shipping stuff yourself). Also I don't even know what movie this guy sent to every soldier because if I knew which movie, I could see how much the price was for each separate disk.
But the thing is I really take issue with the second part of your Day 2 reaction. That is what I would think is petty. The idea that they would deserve such respect that ignores the law. That kind of attitude I really dislike. If someone is trying to say they serve the country then they better be sure they don't think that means they get special exemptions from the law. That kind of attitude makes me think of corruption really. I do get that some people might view it that way, but I cannot approve of such a view.
If I may ask, due to being curious.. why do you believe strongly in no one being higher then the law? I understand why but the way you described it stands out like a passion, something that may relate to your history or something that has happened to you. I could be wrong, but never hurts to ask. Besides that, people in general will flip out if things don't go in their favor. Whether someone's favorite football team lost, or if a virtual character's design looks different in the next game.. people do take notice of the changes and if most of the population (or better yet majority) can disagree on something they don't like, they will address it as a whole, a pack for say. Also I am getting really tired so I apologize if I misword a few things.
Regnes: I did find it amusing though, how they grossly underestimated his expenses. 300,000 discs and 11 dollars per box puts his personal expenses at over 100,000 dollars.
Yeah, that was actually my first calculation. Add to that: On the best price I could find (30€ per 100 dvds) he spend 90k€ for the material alone... he could've bought around 10k movies with that and send them over.
The man has my utmost respect - He's been in the same situation as us. War isn't all shooting and kicking doors down. On my first deployment; I spent 90% of my time sat in a guard tower reading a book, sat on the bog or cleaning my equipment. The other 10% is walking through fields all day in the blistering sun, with the potential of being shot/blown up by someone we can't even see.
The guys need something to keep 'em going and this is exactly what they need - if a soldier doesn't have time to blow off steam, they go fucking mental.
Yeah, maybe he shouldn't have pirated the movies, but fuck; atleast this is going towards a good cause and not just sitting on a teenagers PC because he doesn't want to pay.
now to all the missinformed/too selfintitled to actually do reasearch people, who say being a solder isnt worth respecting, these people join up to serve our Country knowing they will almost NEVER get thanked for it,will be abused by the ignorant and be used by politicians to futher their agendas.
Oh how ashamed I am. I have been called out by someone who doesn't seem to have the ability to discern differing values from ignorance on my part. It isn't worth respecting in and of itself. They do get thanked for it from some people. Also doesn't mean they deserve my respect because they don't get thanked for it. One reason gone. Abused by the ignorant? Given your... discerning eye I'm going to guess you mean people who disagree with respecting the military, which isn't such a terrible hardship. And being used by politicians? Signing up after you know that will happen won't gain my sympathy nor respect. No reason for it to. Serving our country is such a vague phrase. It has to actually do a fair amount of good for me to care.
they still fight for us.
Since when did I need someone fighting for me right now? When I need one I'll acknowledge what they did for me. When I don't need one, well then they didn't do anything for me.
they would still die for us.
Okay and that means I should think highly of someone? They'd be willing to die for us? Not good enough really.
They will do everything in their power to make sure our lives are better.
No, I doubt that they all will. And they're not doing it right now for me, so why do I care? My interests aren't being served by them right now.
yes even those of you who hate,discredit,and abuse them.
Yes, because we've shown such terrible animosity by not thinking they deserve free movies.
If you have read this a still wish to say solders dont deserve our respect i ask you to leave our country for a place without solders who give a dam about you for you have NO idea what you have in these men and women.
I'm not leaving. Maybe you should leave.
well hello there! like i said before what this guy did was wrong his heart was in the right place, but he still should have gone about it a different way. Now in person id give you a few choice words and just walk away as people like you are not worth the air it takes to try and educate, but theres a wounderfull thing on this site called the ignore butten and i beleave im going to use it. Feel free to express your opinion it is your right, i just dont care to hear another word from you.
Oh and since i wont see you anymore alow me to explaine something my post was not directed just at you, but at everyone who may have thought badly of solders after reading your post. So please try to ether understand my point or failing that ignore me as i have you:)
Majority of people on here don't voice a pro-piracy opinion because advocating it is a bannable offense. That's the biggest reason. But in this case, they can circumvent the rules a little.
If the rules are so easily circumvented, then...ugh. See, that's the thing about rules and laws, they should be the same for everyone...
Now pirates all across the globe can argue it's okay to pirate if you send a couple hundred copies over to Afghanistan or wherever.
It's all about intent. A pirate who sends a couple to charity to justify getting it for himself is just making excuses. Someone who is sending everything to help someone out is a lot better.
Regardless of his intentions, what he did was still illegal. That being said, I doubt he'll go to jail or be sued. Maybe he'll be allowed to help the military in a more legal manner as community service. He's a WWII vet and, as far as we know, a law-abiding citizen who knew what he was doing and I'll bet he'll make no apology for it. Letting him go without any type of reprimand for this action is a horrible precedent to set for veterans of any war or service.
But, as someone who has friends out in the field, stationed elsewhere in the world, or just now enlisting after school, I'm glad he's wanting to help in his old age.
It's all about intent. A pirate who sends a couple to charity to justify getting it for himself is just making excuses. Someone who is sending everything to help someone out is a lot better.
Well, call me when you invent brain scanners for intent reading then.
Well we can question why they see it that way, but when it comes down to it I'll have my own view which will necessarily contradict some other views. In the end to form my own view I'll make my own judgements, which in this case don't seem to find what they think to be compelling insofar as what ought to have been done.
To be honest, I weigh on what the soldiers do and the importance of this law against piracy. True that the corporation(s) are losing money but the soldiers lives are more important in my book. If I am going to die the next day (possibly), then why would I be concerned over a law on piracy if it means I get a free DVD to watch? It'll keep my mind off the chaos and not get me dwelling on being away from my family, my friends. I know laws help society out but piracy still has a lot to work on before being a brilliant law (because though I agree no one is higher then the law, the government shouldn't try to pass a bill called SOPA onto the people which takes eliminating piracy to a whole new level).
But it's not a case of their lives versus the money. They'll survive without the movies.
And also, while I'd agree that things do need to be worked on in regards to piracy, I can't think of anything in particular that applies to *this* situation. It was unavailable to them for a decent reason and all his solution did was cut out the payment step.
Suing him or jail do seem over the top given his age. Should be easy enough to watch him if they're worried he'll reoffend.
Ether that or they can restrict him from using the internet, but I am unsure if that's even legal to do *shrug*.
I do believe that they do that to people. Though I'd imagine for more dire offenses.
Yes, but that is hardly the fault of the industry, now is it? They're not in a very good location for that kind of service. It's hardly an intentional slight or something that I think they can reasonably be expected to do differently. And sure he didn't have the million dollars, but here a quick google search tells me you can get... 50 DVD-R discs for 15 dollars. For 300k discs that's 90,000. He can still get over 1000 new DVDs with that. Small compared to 300k, but still a huge amount. In fact considering the amount he'd save on shipping he could get a few more too. He could still do something significant.
Also I'm not very convinced that bad practices would have justified piracy anyway. Poor pricing and the like should result in a refusal to buy in my book, not piracy.
Perhaps the money wasn't the only reason this old man decided to rely on piracy. The steps it would take to buy/ship DVDs would be a hassle so doing so online would be easier (well depending on the person. Some like to lay back and do the thinking work while others like to do the handy work like shipping stuff yourself). Also I don't even know what movie this guy sent to every soldier because if I knew which movie, I could see how much the price was for each separate disk.
Well he had to ship out nearly 4k boxes himself according to the article so I think workload doesn't seem like a good argument there. That's just the work that comes with sending 300k discs.
And I think over 1000 is a safe estimate as that would work even if each movie costed $90 per DVD.
But the thing is I really take issue with the second part of your Day 2 reaction. That is what I would think is petty. The idea that they would deserve such respect that ignores the law. That kind of attitude I really dislike. If someone is trying to say they serve the country then they better be sure they don't think that means they get special exemptions from the law. That kind of attitude makes me think of corruption really. I do get that some people might view it that way, but I cannot approve of such a view.
If I may ask, due to being curious.. why do you believe strongly in no one being higher then the law? I understand why but the way you described it stands out like a passion, something that may relate to your history or something that has happened to you. I could be wrong, but never hurts to ask. Besides that, people in general will flip out if things don't go in their favor. Whether someone's favorite football team lost, or if a virtual character's design looks different in the next game.. people do take notice of the changes and if most of the population (or better yet majority) can disagree on something they don't like, they will address it as a whole, a pack for say. Also I am getting really tired so I apologize if I misword a few things.
It isn't that I believe so strongly in no one being higher than the law, but if I expect anyone to follow the law I expect those employed by the government to do so, especially those who say they serve our country. Service doesn't mean privileges to ignore the law, I'd expect it to come with the understanding you follow it. Furthermore, I don't like the idea that someone would do a job and then expect extra unagreed upon privileges, like going easy on people who break the law on your behalf.
And sure I can see that people might be upset about it, but I think it's unreasonable for them to be.
And if you feel that I misunderstood anything, do say so. Sorry for taking so long to reply, I've been busy and haven't really felt like thinking about posting too much.
now to all the missinformed/too selfintitled to actually do reasearch people, who say being a solder isnt worth respecting, these people join up to serve our Country knowing they will almost NEVER get thanked for it,will be abused by the ignorant and be used by politicians to futher their agendas.
Oh how ashamed I am. I have been called out by someone who doesn't seem to have the ability to discern differing values from ignorance on my part. It isn't worth respecting in and of itself. They do get thanked for it from some people. Also doesn't mean they deserve my respect because they don't get thanked for it. One reason gone. Abused by the ignorant? Given your... discerning eye I'm going to guess you mean people who disagree with respecting the military, which isn't such a terrible hardship. And being used by politicians? Signing up after you know that will happen won't gain my sympathy nor respect. No reason for it to. Serving our country is such a vague phrase. It has to actually do a fair amount of good for me to care.
they still fight for us.
Since when did I need someone fighting for me right now? When I need one I'll acknowledge what they did for me. When I don't need one, well then they didn't do anything for me.
they would still die for us.
Okay and that means I should think highly of someone? They'd be willing to die for us? Not good enough really.
They will do everything in their power to make sure our lives are better.
No, I doubt that they all will. And they're not doing it right now for me, so why do I care? My interests aren't being served by them right now.
yes even those of you who hate,discredit,and abuse them.
Yes, because we've shown such terrible animosity by not thinking they deserve free movies.
If you have read this a still wish to say solders dont deserve our respect i ask you to leave our country for a place without solders who give a dam about you for you have NO idea what you have in these men and women.
I'm not leaving. Maybe you should leave.
well hello there!
Hello.
like i said before what this guy did was wrong his heart was in the right place, but he still should have gone about it a different way.
Repeating it is kind of pointless as I never disputed that bit.
Now in person id give you a few choice words and just walk away as people like you are not worth the air it takes to try and educate,
Few choice words? You do realize saying that you'd do it is a poor substitute for actually saying something.
People like me? People who are reasonable? Well I suppose it is the case that it wouldn't be worth trying to educate me since I already know better than you.
But really, educate? Pfft, you just say things and expect people to agree with you. You don't even know the difference between simple disagreement and lack of education.
but theres a wounderfull thing on this site called the ignore butten and i beleave im going to use it. Feel free to express your opinion it is your right, i just dont care to hear another word from you.
Oh well. My reply stands unrefuted.
Oh and since i wont see you anymore alow me to explaine something my post was not directed just at you, but at everyone who may have thought badly of solders after reading your post. So please try to ether understand my point or failing that ignore me as i have you:)
Your point was you have a terribly skewed view that doesn't recognize differing opinions.
It's all about intent. A pirate who sends a couple to charity to justify getting it for himself is just making excuses. Someone who is sending everything to help someone out is a lot better.
Well, call me when you invent brain scanners for intent reading then.
Same way we check in our own legal system between Murder 1, Murder 2, and Manslaughter. It's all a matter of intent.
Now you have GOT to be doing this deliberately. Why SHOULDN'T soldiers have that privilege? They could be dead the next day, they've more a right to luxuries than we easy-living civilians have! But hey, maybe we should just...let people live out their days in misery just because they're not in the right place to enjoy what we have.
Now you have GOT to be doing this deliberately. Why SHOULDN'T soldiers have that privilege? They could be dead the next day, they've more a right to luxuries than we easy-living civilians have! But hey, maybe we should just...let people live out their days in misery just because they're not in the right place to enjoy what we have.
Also. That man. He is the old man from Up.
That was an odd post to quote since it was just me replying to someone who had nothing substantive to say at that point.
Anyway, they shouldn't have the privilege since no one should have the privilege of being above the law. Or having their benefactors be above the law as would be the most accurate description in this case. I'm not about slavish adherence to the law for the law's sake or anything, but unless there's a flaw with the law itself that is relevant to this I do not think that anyone should be put above the law here. Especially not for service to the government, that corrupts the whole thing.
And no, they have no more right to luxuries than anyone else for their choice. Was it part of their deal when signing up? No? Then they cannot expect it.
And I don't mind letting people live out their days in misery because they chose to do so. To expect more after they made said choice would be quite entitled.
Now you have GOT to be doing this deliberately. Why SHOULDN'T soldiers have that privilege? They could be dead the next day, they've more a right to luxuries than we easy-living civilians have! But hey, maybe we should just...let people live out their days in misery just because they're not in the right place to enjoy what we have.
Also. That man. He is the old man from Up.
That was an odd post to quote since it was just me replying to someone who had nothing substantive to say at that point.
Anyway, they shouldn't have the privilege since no one should have the privilege of being above the law. Or having their benefactors be above the law as would be the most accurate description in this case. I'm not about slavish adherence to the law for the law's sake or anything, but unless there's a flaw with the law itself that is relevant to this I do not think that anyone should be put above the law here. Especially not for service to the government, that corrupts the whole thing.
And no, they have no more right to luxuries than anyone else for their choice. Was it part of their deal when signing up? No? Then they cannot expect it.
And I don't mind letting people live out their days in misery because they chose to do so. To expect more after they made said choice would be quite entitled.
They didn't expect more. It was a nice thing for a veteran to do - he'd been through it and he knew what would have made it easier for him, so he offered to make it easier for them. And they appreciated it. While yes, we do need to...SHOW that he has been punished, I really don't think he actually deserves punishment. There's just...nothing to punish.
Consider the following: No soldiers, no soldiers going to war, no war. It's an easy solution to a stupid problem, and I'm frankly disappointed that we still GO to war. We're HUMANS! the smartest being on this planet, and we still resort to stupid things.
Anyway, the above thing explains why I don't think A: the soldiers should have gotten the discs B: the war-vet deserves no special treatment than any other lawbreaker C: this thread has any value really, besides the usual: "soldiers, good or bad?" and "pirating: good or bad?" threads
Bloobity bluh, I think the old man should go to jail like any other lawbreaker. Or caught pirate really. I don't give a toss whether you're a pirate or not, if you get caught, the consequences are yours.
Now you have GOT to be doing this deliberately. Why SHOULDN'T soldiers have that privilege? They could be dead the next day, they've more a right to luxuries than we easy-living civilians have! But hey, maybe we should just...let people live out their days in misery just because they're not in the right place to enjoy what we have.
Also. That man. He is the old man from Up.
That was an odd post to quote since it was just me replying to someone who had nothing substantive to say at that point.
Anyway, they shouldn't have the privilege since no one should have the privilege of being above the law. Or having their benefactors be above the law as would be the most accurate description in this case. I'm not about slavish adherence to the law for the law's sake or anything, but unless there's a flaw with the law itself that is relevant to this I do not think that anyone should be put above the law here. Especially not for service to the government, that corrupts the whole thing.
And no, they have no more right to luxuries than anyone else for their choice. Was it part of their deal when signing up? No? Then they cannot expect it.
And I don't mind letting people live out their days in misery because they chose to do so. To expect more after they made said choice would be quite entitled.
They didn't expect more. It was a nice thing for a veteran to do - he'd been through it and he knew what would have made it easier for him, so he offered to make it easier for them. And they appreciated it. While yes, we do need to...SHOW that he has been punished, I really don't think he actually deserves punishment. There's just...nothing to punish.
He offered with things that were not his own. That was wrong of him and I'll maintain that position unless someone shows me why he'd deserve to be above the law here.
As for punishment, I don't particularly care if he's punished of not, he's kind of old for it. At worst something to stop him from reoffending should be done.
That was an odd post to quote since it was just me replying to someone who had nothing substantive to say at that point.
Anyway, they shouldn't have the privilege since no one should have the privilege of being above the law. Or having their benefactors be above the law as would be the most accurate description in this case. I'm not about slavish adherence to the law for the law's sake or anything, but unless there's a flaw with the law itself that is relevant to this I do not think that anyone should be put above the law here. Especially not for service to the government, that corrupts the whole thing.
And no, they have no more right to luxuries than anyone else for their choice. Was it part of their deal when signing up? No? Then they cannot expect it.
And I don't mind letting people live out their days in misery because they chose to do so. To expect more after they made said choice would be quite entitled.
They didn't expect more. It was a nice thing for a veteran to do - he'd been through it and he knew what would have made it easier for him, so he offered to make it easier for them. And they appreciated it. While yes, we do need to...SHOW that he has been punished, I really don't think he actually deserves punishment. There's just...nothing to punish.
He offered with things that were not his own. That was wrong of him and I'll maintain that position unless someone shows me why he'd deserve to be above the law here.
As for punishment, I don't particularly care if he's punished of not, he's kind of old for it. At worst something to stop him from reoffending should be done.
If he received any gain from this, I'd be on your side. But he really didn't. Benevolent piracy, eh? I'd make an exception. He took no credit, he didn't become a name, they were just mystery packages appearing. And as for reoffending...bah. If he doesn't reoffend in the next five years I don't think we have anything to worry about.
Also I quoted that post because it was the closest one to the bottom. I don't like quoting ones from before.
To hell with piracy laws, that is such a damned decent thing to do for soldiers-kudos Mr Strachman!