Union Jack or Union....Flag?

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Since the new British flag Xbox 360 has been announced, people on Xbox360achievements.org have been debating over whether it is called the Union Jack, or Union Flag.

I'm British/English and honestly for all my 24 years in this country I have never ever heard it be called the Union Flag.
I know where the 'Jack' part of the name comes from (the navy) but since it has been around for a long time, it has been built into this country as the union jack. I honestly don't know a single person who calls it the union flag.

So British people, do you call it the union jack? or the union flag?
American/Rest of World people, what have you heard it called as? and what do you call it yourself?

Isn't it only called the Union Jack if it's on a ship?

Otherwise it's the Union Flag.

Just another of those little misconceptions that everybody seems to believe, then it turns out it's bollocks.

I've always just called it the Union Jack, never actually heard it being called the Union Flag until I saw the whole debate. And I'm not sure if I like that British Xbox or hate it, at some points it looks ugly as shit, at others, pretty good.

Usually I hear it called, and call it, the Union Jack. I think the jack & flag names have become synonymous with one another. I've never seen it flown from a vessel before, only the ensign flags.

The Union Jack is what it is called worldwide, and does indeed stem from an old maritime name for a Jack Flag. It can also be called the Union Flag, but this name causes more confusion with the names of other union flags.

It's the Union Flag.

But that's its official name; it can be referred to colloquially as the Union Jack without issue, obviously. It's entirely comprehensible; it's just not technically correct.

Riku'sTwilight:
Since the new British flag Xbox 360 has been announced, people on Xbox360achievements.org have been debating over whether it is called the Union Jack, or Union Flag.

I'm British/English and honestly for all my 24 years in this country I have never ever heard it be called the Union Flag.
I know where the 'Jack' part of the name comes from (the navy) but since it has been around for a long time, it has been built into this country as the union jack. I honestly don't know a single person who calls it the union flag.

So British people, do you call it the union jack? or the union flag?
American/Rest of World people, what have you heard it called as? and what do you call it yourself?

Isn't it also because flag of the union or Union flag

Is supposed to refer to the flag of the U.S.A?

I shall name it.....

The Banner of Blighty....

Technically it's called the Union Flag. It's only called the Union Jack when it's flown at sea. But everyone I've ever met just calls it the Union Jack no matter where it's flown, so I don't particularly think it matters.

captcha: 'eat out'. But... I don't want to!

M-E-D The Poet:

Riku'sTwilight:
Since the new British flag Xbox 360 has been announced, people on Xbox360achievements.org have been debating over whether it is called the Union Jack, or Union Flag.

I'm British/English and honestly for all my 24 years in this country I have never ever heard it be called the Union Flag.
I know where the 'Jack' part of the name comes from (the navy) but since it has been around for a long time, it has been built into this country as the union jack. I honestly don't know a single person who calls it the union flag.

So British people, do you call it the union jack? or the union flag?
American/Rest of World people, what have you heard it called as? and what do you call it yourself?

Isn't it also because flag of the union or Union flag

Is supposed to refer to the flag of the U.S.A?

Wikipedia says this:

The Union Flag, also known as the Union Jack, is the flag of the United Kingdom.[1] It retains an official or semi-official status in some Commonwealth Realms; for example, it is known as the Royal Union Flag in Canada.[2] It is also used as an official flag in some of the smaller British overseas territories. The current design dates from the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_jack

In other words, it's called the Union flag referring to when Great Britain and Ireland came together to form what we now know as the UK. Not the union of the United States.

Also, this means that it goes by both names. It basically explains the "Union Jack" as a nickname, like the way Old Glory is the nickname for the US flag. Some say it's specifically for naval vessels, but it's a matter of debate.

Couldn't care. Stupid falg that couldn't even include us Welsh >:(

I thought it was Union Jack. Seems to be referred to that mostly whenever it's brought up.

I dunno. It could be a "you say poe-tay-toe, I say poe-tah-toe" thing. Jack or Flag, either or.

I always insist on calling it the Union Flag, but that's because I am a pedantic bastard.

FamoFunk:
Couldn't care. Stupid falg that couldn't even include us Welsh >:(

I've always thought it would look awesome with a welsh dragon in the top left corner.

It's the Union Jack at sea and the Union Flag everywhere else. I just call it the Union Jack though because that's what I'm used to.

DJjaffacake:
I always insist on calling it the Union Flag, but that's because I am a pedantic bastard.

FamoFunk:
Couldn't care. Stupid falg that couldn't even include us Welsh >:(

I've always thought it would look awesome with a welsh dragon in the top left corner.

It's only because Saint David doesn't have his own sigil I think, whereas Saint's George, Patrick and Andrew all do

FamoFunk:
Couldn't care. Stupid falg that couldn't even include us Welsh >:(

Yeeees.

Yeeeeeeeeeeees, you're tears are like sweet drops of heaven.

It's in the corner of our flag (Aussie), and we call it the Union Jack.

Riku'sTwilight:

DJjaffacake:
I always insist on calling it the Union Flag, but that's because I am a pedantic bastard.

FamoFunk:
Couldn't care. Stupid falg that couldn't even include us Welsh >:(

I've always thought it would look awesome with a welsh dragon in the top left corner.

It's only because Saint David doesn't have his own sigil I think, whereas Saint's George, Patrick and Andrew all do

On the contrary, he does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Saint_David but I think the issue is that wales was never officially brought into the Union, so they were just never added.

Lilani:

M-E-D The Poet:

Riku'sTwilight:
Since the new British flag Xbox 360 has been announced, people on Xbox360achievements.org have been debating over whether it is called the Union Jack, or Union Flag.

I'm British/English and honestly for all my 24 years in this country I have never ever heard it be called the Union Flag.
I know where the 'Jack' part of the name comes from (the navy) but since it has been around for a long time, it has been built into this country as the union jack. I honestly don't know a single person who calls it the union flag.

So British people, do you call it the union jack? or the union flag?
American/Rest of World people, what have you heard it called as? and what do you call it yourself?

Isn't it also because flag of the union or Union flag

Is supposed to refer to the flag of the U.S.A?

Wikipedia says this:

The Union Flag, also known as the Union Jack, is the flag of the United Kingdom.[1] It retains an official or semi-official status in some Commonwealth Realms; for example, it is known as the Royal Union Flag in Canada.[2] It is also used as an official flag in some of the smaller British overseas territories. The current design dates from the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_jack

In other words, it's called the Union flag referring to when Great Britain and Ireland came together to form what we now know as the UK. Not the union of the United States.

Also, this means that it goes by both names. It basically explains the "Union Jack" as a nickname, like the way Old Glory is the nickname for the US flag. Some say it's specifically for naval vessels, but it's a matter of debate.

yeah but I'd prefer calling them Old glory and Union jack as opposed to union flag and flag of the union or union flag and union flag

But yaknow if you like the situation confusing that's okay ;)

Thnx for explaining tho ;3

Daystar Clarion:

FamoFunk:
Couldn't care. Stupid falg that couldn't even include us Welsh >:(

Yeeees.

Yeeeeeeeeeeees, you're tears are like sweet drops of heaven.

Sleep with one eye open, bro. Your time here is slowly coming to an end.

RELEASE THE SHEEP!!

Union Jack? More like the Union... I can't think of an insulting word that rhymes with Jack, Union Cack?
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Bloody Brits.

Where's OUR XBox, huh?

Colour-Scientist:
Union Jack? More like the Union... I can't think of an insulting word that rhymes with Jack, Union Cack?
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Bloody Brits.

Where's OUR XBox, huh?

Just call them Union jackasses.

DJjaffacake:

Riku'sTwilight:

DJjaffacake:
I always insist on calling it the Union Flag, but that's because I am a pedantic bastard.I've always thought it would look awesome with a welsh dragon in the top left corner.

It's only because Saint David doesn't have his own sigil I think, whereas Saint's George, Patrick and Andrew all do

On the contrary, he does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Saint_David but I think the issue is that wales was never officially brought into the Union, so they were just never added.

Oh, thanks for posting that. When I looked I couldn't see it. Clearly I wasn't looking hard enough! The David flag is a cross similar to George's though so if you were to put that in then it would just overlap the George cross and be integrated in.

In 'Merica, we call it the union jack. One fourth of july years ago, a British couple was flying it on their front porch. It sort of pissed off a neighbor or two.

Union Jack. It USED to be called the union flag, but it hasn't been called that since the 50's I think? I dunno, might even be earlier than that.

But yeah, it IS the union Jack.

Union Jack is not the correct name but its colloquial language now, nobody will really lift you for it. I call it the Union Jack.

Also: Wales is represented by St George's Cross (England's flag) on the Union Flag because Wales was a fully conquered region of the Kingdom of England.

Riku'sTwilight:
Since the new British flag Xbox 360 has been announced, people on Xbox360achievements.org have been debating over whether it is called the Union Jack, or Union Flag.

I'm British/English and honestly for all my 24 years in this country I have never ever heard it be called the Union Flag.
I know where the 'Jack' part of the name comes from (the navy) but since it has been around for a long time, it has been built into this country as the union jack. I honestly don't know a single person who calls it the union flag.

So British people, do you call it the union jack? or the union flag?
American/Rest of World people, what have you heard it called as? and what do you call it yourself?

I'm really surprised that Microsoft isn't making a US Flag 360. With the pseudo-patriotism that runs rampant in this country (well, a good chunk of the country), you'd think there would be a huge market for that sorta thing.

(America, fuck yeah)

FamoFunk:

Daystar Clarion:

FamoFunk:
Couldn't care. Stupid falg that couldn't even include us Welsh >:(

Yeeees.

Yeeeeeeeeeeees, you're tears are like sweet drops of heaven.

Sleep with one eye open, bro. Your time here is slowly coming to an end.

RELEASE THE SHEEP!!

Oh no, not the sheep, whatever will I do to the stop the sheep.

Oh look, an oven.

The other point here is that it doesn't matter.

No-one flies flags in Britain, and if they do it tends to be a right-winger flying St. George's cross in a way that everyone else finds rather embarassing.

There isn't a culture of having the flag absolutely everywhere, unlike in the US.

chadachada123:
I'm really surprised that Microsoft isn't making a US Flag 360. With the pseudo-patriotism that runs rampant in this country (well, a good chunk of the country), you'd think there would be a huge market for that sorta thing.

(America, fuck yeah)

Honestly I'm just as surprised too. American's do love their patriotism. I think the only reason they've made the Union Jack (sticker) 360 is that it's the olympics are being hosted in london this year, otherwise it wouldn't have happened. Although if that is the case I would have expected to see some kind of Olympic logo on it *shrugs*

It is called the Union Flag at least originally. That is its name but many people stick to the nickname of it being called the Union Jack from when it was nicknamed that back when people loved their sailing. Although I am fairly sure the nickname was officially adopted as an alt in some Act of Parliament.

It's the Union Jack when flown at sea. However as we were predominantly a Naval power that was the most common name said.

According to the Flag Institute, which is pretty much the ultimate arbiter on this matter, it can be called either.

http://www.flaginstitute.org/index.php?location=7.2

Dafuq is a 'Union Flag'?

I've always heard it being called 'Union Jack'.

Riku'sTwilight:

DJjaffacake:
I always insist on calling it the Union Flag, but that's because I am a pedantic bastard.

FamoFunk:
Couldn't care. Stupid falg that couldn't even include us Welsh >:(

I've always thought it would look awesome with a welsh dragon in the top left corner.

It's only because Saint David doesn't have his own sigil I think, whereas Saint's George, Patrick and Andrew all do

There is an official Saint David's flag, and there have been short-lived campaigns to try and change the official Welsh flag from the Dragon to the Cross. Personally I prefer the dragon, but the cross would be easier to integrate into the union flag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Saint_David

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