Why is it okay for the company to screw the worker over? | |
So your delay in getting paid is less than a week? That's not "screwing you over", its called a mistake which they are fixing. The law where I am generally gives 2 weeks for fixing such mistakes. The larger the company, the more likely that there are things that could go wrong. Of course in my experience, unless a timeclock totally breaks, I have never seen a time clock that reported incorrectly - unless the employee screwed up their use of the clock by doing something like failing to always punch in/out. And no sane manager triggers a discipinary meeting with the union over nothing. You must have done more than a small thing wrong. As for how you are going to pay, wise people keep a few dollars cushion in case of such problems, or unexpected costs. It is something you might consider for the future. | |
Based on what I read there, assuming you did not forget any details, that's completely normal and not 'screwing you over' in any degree. 1. Yes, your specific boss quite probably is the only one who can authorize your paycheck. This is normal practice if you're paid by hour. If he was on vacation, he doesn't know anything about the situation and as such would be remiss in his duties as your boss if he took any hasty action. In order to prevent problems to both you and the company, he has to find things out. Except, since he's your boss, he's presumably also someone elses boss. He has duties and tasks not related to you. And he came back from a vacation, as established. He likely has a backlog of e-mails and situations beoynd yours to deal with. A few days until he familiriazes himself with the details and your normal check is being paid is quite frankly fast action and perfectly normal. 2. Your financial situation is quite frankly your problem. You don't have emergency buffer of ~100 euros or dollars for situations like this? Boohoo. Nothing to do with the company you're working for. Sometimes things don't go to plan, so just suck it up and make due. Somehow. 3. Union meetings are not called for minor stuff. You'd need to actually embezzle your company for that to happen from their part. Also, your own union will do nothing about this until the paycheck is at least a few weeks late or you're not hearing of all your hours being paid a few months later. Because delays like that are quite normal. | |
They can do it because employees are expendable, there will always be someone else waiting in line to take your place if you walk out. I guess the paying gas bills could be solved with a pay day loan, although personally I would never touch a payday loan. | |
Dude they could authorize a pay out, I have my money and they check clears when it comes. It can be done. I've seen it happen before. They could fix it literally in 5 minutes, but my boss is insisting upon being an asshole. And the fact I have to use my savings money isn't the point. They fucked up, and instead of fixing things they're fucking me over because they can't be bothered. More importantly, I did the work, I'm entitled to my payment. You don't go to fucking burger king, eat the whoper and go "Oh sorry man, left my wallet at home, I'll be back in a week to pay for it." | |
I'm not complaining that he was on vacation. I complain because I played along, and when I ask my boss for my money that I'm entitled too I'm told to just wait till friday for the official check. He could fix it, right now, he just can't be bothered to. Also, my financial situation isn't the point. They owe me money for work I've done. I could be a fucking millionaire, it doesn't change the fact they fucked up, owe me money and are making me wait for it when I shouldn't have to. I didn't fuck up, they did. | |
Are your cheques hand written? If not, your company is probably big enough that they use some sort of payroll system and your manager can't directly cut cheques for payroll (for good reason). It isn't as simple as just cutting you a cheque. If you screw up big time, like shorting someone $5000, then you cut an expediated cheque no matter what the headache. But short 11 hours pay? I'm guessing as a student you make <$20/hr so we are talking about <$200 - that isn't worth cutting an expedited cheque for (infact, if they have a contracted out payroll system it could cost them more then $200 in fees to have a single cheque run off cycle). Your expectations are silly and unreasonable - unless you work for a tiny little nothing company. Even then, in a tiny company, people are probably pretty busy, and once again, the amount you are talking about is trivial.
What does "played along" mean? That you followed procedure? That's not playing along, that's what is required in any organization or it can't function. So your boss told you today, Tuesday, you will be paid on Friday. Seems very responsive to me. Honestly you need some perspective.
You are the one that tied it to your financial situation, so yes, its also about your financial situation. | |
They're not fucking you over. When something goes wrong, they're given till the next payday (or even longer) to fix it. When you bring up your financial situation, don't be surprised that people will talk about it. Especially when it's as bad as you make it out to be. | |
Shouldn't have to wait? Does or does not the company have pre-established paydays? Normally once or twice a month? If yes, they are not obligated to pay you anything outside of those timeframes/specific dates. At no point was, based on your description, non-payment raised up. You would have something to complain about and a legit case, if they weren't planning to pay you at all. But based on all appearances, they are. They're just not willing to take the extra step to do so at this very moment. And it is an extra step, never doubt that. It is not 'holding you down' or 'screwing you over' or whatever. It's situation as normal. They owe you money, yes. And if it takes them longer than 14 to 30 days to pay, then you can bitch about it. Because that kind of timeframe is perfectly normal for standard salary. At times it can take up to 60 days for extraordinary payments, such as travel expenses compensations. Additionally, that's assuming the hour-reports or whatever are sent on time. I once worked for an engineering office, employed on an hourly basis. My boss had to sign every hour-report, which I filled weekly. There I described how many hours I had worked, and for what projects and doing what. Once this was signed by my boss, it was sent to the finances department. If they didn't have confirmation of my hours 2 days before payday, I got no check. And since my boss was a busy man and I filled weekly reports, it meant I was always 1-3 weeks 'behind' on salary. That's the way things often work. But I also got every last cent owed to me once my employment came to an end - 1 month after, to be precise, when they calculated and confirmed my final hours and filled their part of the tax report and did their paperworks and so forth. | |
People are assuming my financial situation. Fine. Yes, I'm over-reaction, but I think this is bullshit. I did my job, they didn't do theres and now I get shafted for it. And hey, it's not that big of a deal for them to go into the safe and give me what I'm owed. It takes 5 minutes. Again I've seen this done before. It's no big deal, and when the check comes they cash it and it's all good. This is a case were they are within their power to fix what they fucked up, but are refusing to and I'm stuck waiting. And I don't know why the fuck everyone is being so defensive of the company, I WAS being reasonably until my boss came back from his vacation and uncaringly declared that he would not do what I was told from everyone under him that he would do. | |
What you wrote was that you can't pay for gas without this paycheck, and you can't tell your credit card company you'll pay without this paycheck. Which means you don't have any savings, and your credit card is already maxed and overdue because the credit card company wouldn't be hounding you if it wasn't.
You've worked in payroll? What you don't seem to understand is that it seems like they -are- doing their jobs. You just want them to do more. We're not getting defensive about the company, we're telling you to grow up. | |
I think you need to calm down. You're clearly very angry about this, but whats done is done and getting stressed wont help solve any of your problems. If anything, taking this hiccup head on with maturity and calmness will impress your boss and leave a good impression. | |
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No they aren't, they ARE READING WHAT YOU TOLD US IN THE OP.
That's really the only thing you said worth reading. You should read it again.
Actually that's a HUGE deal. It would violate cash control policies for most companies and is the kind of thing that makes your auditors very very very upset with you. You NEVER mingle revenues with expenses, especially payroll expenses. They also have no way to force you to pay it back unless they write a loan document, and loan documents have legal implications within employment contracts, and often under tax law. An interest free loan (which is what that would be) would in fact be a taxible benfit to you in many areas.
We aren't being defensive of the company. We are pointing out that the more you talk to more it is clear not only do you not have reasonable expectations, you are ill informed about tax and labour law as well as basic accounting and segregation practices. | |
Your right. Should I scan and post my income statements and the rest of the shit and post it on the internet so a group of strangers can best analyze my financial situation? S'Fucking hyperbole man. I thought this was a very simple "Hey man, the big guy is fucking over the little guy again and getting away with it. This is fucked up right?" not a "HOW DARE I EXPECT TO MY EMPLOYERS TO STICK TO A PRE-ESTABLISHED AGREEMENT OF PAYING ME FOR SERVICES I HAVE RENDERED! CLEARLY I AM THE DIRGE OF HUMANITY, HOW DARE I WANT MY MONEY ON THE AGREED UPON PAYDAY AND NOT A WEEK LATE!" If I was a week late in providing my services, would they stand for it? No, they'd fire my ass and bring in someone else. The world is a chaotic place and everything doesn't always go smoothly. I understand that. People make mistakes. I understand that. But I'm paying right now for other people's mistakes, regardless of weather I have the money in the bank or not (and I assure you, I'm am NOT Financially destitute, if I was I wouldn't be wasting my day getting stoned and arguing on the net about it), and the fact is I shouldn't have to be. The fact is, THIS IS BULLSHIT. Are you really going to sit there and argue with me that this fair? That this is how shit should be run? That this is a good way to do business with people? I certainly hope not. | |
Thank you. | |
Hehe, maybe Mr Employer can leave a good impression via a pay rise and some respect to the people making his profit for him ;P yeah, as if that's gonna happen - his workers are just resources for moneymaking like a brush or a mop | |
As someone that works in payroll let me list the issues yoru comapny may have: 1) verification. Unless you work for a small company or are complaining to your direct supervisor, admin staff and the head honcho are under no requirement to take you at your word that your hours were wrong. People try and pull that shit all the time (probably why you have a time clock) and they need to be sure you aren't scamming them. This can take time, and may not even be possible until the boss returns. 1b) Note that unless many people aren't getting paid right, the problem is probably your own error, which, if a repeat problem for the admin staff, might dampen their desire to rush to fix things. Here I get the same thing every month from people that haven't figured out that if their time sheet isn't in or is incomplete, I don't pay for the hours. 2) The boss has a lot to catch up on upon returning from vacation beyond the gripe of a part timer. It sucks, but you are pprobably not the top of his priority list upon return. It sucks, but that's life. 3) As others have said, pay procedures can be set in stone either by audit and accountability standards, or the requirements of a payroll company, or even tax laws. On my own system I've found that extra pay checkes screw up tax calcuations resulting in the wrong amount being remitted for the year. Direct deposit takes 3 business days to process. Auditors frown on cash being handed out on a whim. I could go on. The fact is, you are asking others to not do their own job properly to benift you and they could get in a lot of trouble themselves for doing so. Assuming you have people that know you worked 20 hours and a paystub that sayd 9, you will be paid for them, but it may take time. You have the right to be mad, and personally I do try and be accomidating for such situations. However there's also a life lesson here to have at least some savings so that a lost or short paycheck isn't going to get you evicted. | |
It's a punch clock system. I punched my card. If I didn't show up for work, I would of been written up for it because someone would of noticed given the nature of my job. Once I pointed out the error to my supervisor she agreed right away, looked up the last week work hours and saw what hours I wasn't being paid for. It's already establish I'm owed this money. I know for a fact that it isn't a big problem to just get my money. I've had this situation happen before when I went on vacation and some knucklehead didn't put in my vacation hours. Old Boss validated the pay out, and everything was settled the next friday when the new checks came in. (We cash the pay checks on site, so this is even less of a problem). I've seen it done, it's litterally a non-issue. This is just New Boss being an unhelpful dick. (Not the same store, I was transferred a month back when a costumer attacked me in the bathroom. I was transferred for my "safety") And okay, yeah, maybe I am asking to much, but I wouldn't even be asking in the first place if they did their job right the first time. Like if you or I accidentally made a mistake that negatively impacted someone else, we'd try to make things as right as possible as soon as possible right? Thats just common decency. Not metaphorically throw up our hands and go "What do you want me to do about it?" Like... jesus fucking aye. This isn't the way business should be done between people, am I wrong to expect me to honor their agreements? If I was an independent wrestler working for a promoter, I wrestled, and then at the end of the night I didn't get paid I'd be calling the fucking police. | |
Dude, I'm not even getting a raise for the next 5 years given the nature of our current union contracts. :/ | |
Wait, in the example quoted the issue was resolved, and you were paid the earliest Friday, In the OP you talked about an issue that was resolved, and you were told you'd be paid the earliest Friday What? | |
Or you could just let someone rob them and not stop him from getting away. That'd show him. | |
Well you are working for them, not the other way around. If these were the conditions when you signed up, I don't see why you should get any better than what you agreed to (which is likely a week leeway for fixing these things). | |
Okay, I loled at that. Thank you, good sir. Now, im not quite sure what the problem is. I read the OP, and it seems the company is doing nothing wrong. Course, I didnt have a problem quite like the one the OP had. My only problem was for two weeks, when the paper work got lost somewhere, and nobody was able to get paid until they solved the problem. I found out later it was the time clocks not being conected to the main server or something. So for about a month, I had two weeks of 80 hours total work that I wasnt paid for. Until they could get the clocks fixed, they had all of us use the older punch-card clocks. Though eventualy, I got that two weeks pay, so no problem. I didnt think it was the company screwing me over though, it was a technical fault that was eventually fixed, and the company made good on the whole thing. From the sounds of the OP, that what the company is trying to do. So again, I have to ask the problem? | |
Please show me where in your written contract it guarantees they will never make a payroll error. Oh wait, it won't say that. They haven't breached any agreement as long as they intend to correct the error in a reasonable time. The fact that the amount of money is trivial means that length of reasonable time generally extends to the next regular pay day.
And would it be possible to provide those services a week late with no substantive harm to the company? If so, they probably wouldn't care, but the issue is that probably wouldn't work out and thus the two situations are not comparable.
I see, so you lied in the OP to get attention and sympathy. Well clearly we shouldn't take anything you say seriously since you have now confessed to lying about parts of your story.
I agree, you are talking bullshit. And it is very fair. This is exactly how business should be run, they are being quite reasonable. You however are being silly, but maybe posting stoned explains your lack of a reasonable argument.
And they would laugh at you. It's not police business. If you were an independent contractor it would just be breach of contract (assuming that's when the contract called for you to be paid) and you would have to take them to court, a process that would take MONTHS (frankly sometimes years) You really don't understand the first thing about the law or business do you? | |
So... if your working for a company, and you do something wrong, you catch shit for it right?
Well my job lost half my pay through no fault of my own. I work 20 hours they only paid me for 9. I punched at the clock, it's their clock that wasn't working right. First I'm told I have to wait three days for the manager to come back from vacation because only he can authorize my being paid. Then I'm told, by this manager no less, that he knows nothing of it and that I have to wait till friday for an offical check to get paid.
Like hey man, I'm a student, how the fuck am I suppose to pay gas? What the fuck am I gonna tell Discover card? I can't pay for shit with your I'm Sorrys. Why the fuck am I expected to keep toeing the company line, doing my responsibilities when you've fucked up and don't wanna take 5 minutes to do the right thing?
like fucking aye. You do something minor wrong, they won't hesitate to write you up and put in a union meeting for you to get fired but I have to wait patiently for my fucking money? Fuck you man. Yeah I probably should call my union on them, but with how half-assed everyone is it'll be friday before I get anywhere.