Worst leaders of your country

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I got to say that Fredrik Reinfeldt is the worst PM we have had in the recent years for the same reasons people have previously said and they held a vote if they would sell of lots of houses/apartments and people voted no and since it was only 46% that voted so they are going to ignore it. (More his parties fault but anyway)

Heimir:

PsychedelicDiamond:
Hitler.

I win.

Actually Hitler was a brilliant leader and an awesome politician. A genocidl despot, sure. But a bad leader? Hell no. He united a nation and brought all of Europe too its knee's.

Are you kidding? In 12 years he took a country that was while undergoing a huge depression was still one of the countries on earth and in just 12 years reduced it's population by 10% and left it in the power of hortile governments where the Eastern half was being systematically destroyed, raped and murdered and with the Western half being used as a proxy in the cold war.

Seriously I couldn't fuck up a country that much if I tried.

ToTaL LoLiGe:
David 'silver spoon up his fucking arse' Cameron. There's probably worst but he's a fucking prick.

Don't forget Nick (I'm the deputy?) Clegg.

Camoron is only allowed to do what he likes because of that cunt enabling him!

Axolotl:

Heimir:

PsychedelicDiamond:
Hitler.

I win.

Actually Hitler was a brilliant leader and an awesome politician. A genocidl despot, sure. But a bad leader? Hell no. He united a nation and brought all of Europe too its knee's.

Are you kidding? In 12 years he took a country that was while undergoing a huge depression was still one of the countries on earth and in just 12 years reduced it's population by 10% and left it in the power of hortile governments where the Eastern half was being systematically destroyed, raped and murdered and with the Western half being used as a proxy in the cold war.

Seriously I couldn't fuck up a country that much if I tried.

He was still a great leader. His goals were retarded wich made him fail. But as a leader he was solid. Otherwise the nazi parti would never have gotten of the ground at all.

Heimir:

Axolotl:

Heimir:

Actually Hitler was a brilliant leader and an awesome politician. A genocidl despot, sure. But a bad leader? Hell no. He united a nation and brought all of Europe too its knee's.

Are you kidding? In 12 years he took a country that was while undergoing a huge depression was still one of the countries on earth and in just 12 years reduced it's population by 10% and left it in the power of hortile governments where the Eastern half was being systematically destroyed, raped and murdered and with the Western half being used as a proxy in the cold war.

Seriously I couldn't fuck up a country that much if I tried.

He was still a great leader. His goals were retarded wich made him fail. But as a leader he was solid. Otherwise the nazi parti would never have gotten of the ground at all.

How was he a good leader? He almost destroyed the country.

Axolotl:

Heimir:

Axolotl:
Are you kidding? In 12 years he took a country that was while undergoing a huge depression was still one of the countries on earth and in just 12 years reduced it's population by 10% and left it in the power of hortile governments where the Eastern half was being systematically destroyed, raped and murdered and with the Western half being used as a proxy in the cold war.

Seriously I couldn't fuck up a country that much if I tried.

He was still a great leader. His goals were retarded wich made him fail. But as a leader he was solid. Otherwise the nazi parti would never have gotten of the ground at all.

How was he a good leader? He almost destroyed the country.

The country would've been a third world country today were it not for him. The british and the french and the rest of the allied whores are the cause of WW2 by penalizing the people by making the country unable to have any industry worth noting. He broke Germany free from that and built it up. Sure it ended in a loss. But if he had won then Germany would've ruled Europe. I honestly wish he had so the brits would've been nothing but bootlickers today. The allies were barely any better than Nazi Germany in WW2. But they won, yay. So no punishment for them.

Heimir:

Axolotl:

Heimir:

Actually Hitler was a brilliant leader and an awesome politician. A genocidl despot, sure. But a bad leader? Hell no. He united a nation and brought all of Europe too its knee's.

Are you kidding? In 12 years he took a country that was while undergoing a huge depression was still one of the countries on earth and in just 12 years reduced it's population by 10% and left it in the power of hortile governments where the Eastern half was being systematically destroyed, raped and murdered and with the Western half being used as a proxy in the cold war.

Seriously I couldn't fuck up a country that much if I tried.

He was still a great leader. His goals were retarded wich made him fail. But as a leader he was solid. Otherwise the nazi parti would never have gotten of the ground at all.

He was a charismatic speaker, not a great leader.

Anything that is claimed to him bringing the country back up it's legs were the works and ideas of others, where he just took all the credit.

MrPeanut:

Heimir:

Axolotl:
Are you kidding? In 12 years he took a country that was while undergoing a huge depression was still one of the countries on earth and in just 12 years reduced it's population by 10% and left it in the power of hortile governments where the Eastern half was being systematically destroyed, raped and murdered and with the Western half being used as a proxy in the cold war.

Seriously I couldn't fuck up a country that much if I tried.

He was still a great leader. His goals were retarded wich made him fail. But as a leader he was solid. Otherwise the nazi parti would never have gotten of the ground at all.

He was a charismatic speaker, not a great leader.

Anything that is claimed to him bringing the country back up it's legs were the works and ideas of others, where he just took all the credit.

Meh, i'll just rephrase leader into "politician". Problem solved. But you have to be more than just a speaker to get a country to take on the world ;)

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
Hitler, I guess.

This is totally unfair. Everyone here has this massive history to back their country up but I dont. Germany's history is just WW2, WW1 and loads of small kingdoms before that.

You think that's bad? My country, Finland became an actual country in December 1917. Before that, it was just a part of either Russia or Sweden. Okay, it was autonomous under Russia for about a 100 years before that, but still.
As to my choice, I'm going to choose Nikolay Bobrikov, for being an oppressive bastard.

Bad Presidents
George W. Bush
Richard Nixon
Ulysses S Grant
John Tyler
Andrew Johnson
Warren G. Harding
Woodrow Wilson

Best
JFK
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
Dwight D. Eisenhower

Heimir:

Axolotl:

Heimir:

He was still a great leader. His goals were retarded wich made him fail. But as a leader he was solid. Otherwise the nazi parti would never have gotten of the ground at all.

How was he a good leader? He almost destroyed the country.

The country would've been a third world country today were it not for him. The british and the french and the rest of the allied whores are the cause of WW2 by penalizing the people by making the country unable to have any industry worth noting.

The fuck? I mean seriously what the fuck?

He broke Germany free from that and built it up.

Except he didn't, even before the allies tore the country apart Hitler's economic reforms were primarily spin he did very little to actually improve the country. And besides which, he left the country with it being occupied by hostile powers and having suffered millions of casulties.

Sure it ended in a loss. But if he had won then Germany would've ruled Europe.

Yeah but he didn't win. And what's more he could never have won, he took on odds he could not beat and that his meddling in military strategy as well as his idiotic policies both helped Germany to fail even more is just the icing on the cake of his incompotence.

I honestly wish he had so the brits would've been nothing but bootlickers today.

You wish Hitler had won? Really?

[QUOTE]The allies were barely any better than Nazi Germany in WW2. But they won, yay. So no punishment for them.[/quote]If you're counting the Soviets then maybe but otherwise. No, just no.

DJjaffacake:
Recent: James Callaghan, since he presided over the near collapse of our economy.
Historical: King John, because he lost the French territories, caused a civil war, and was just generally shit.
Legendary: Vortigern, for basically inviting the Saxons to come and stay (and take over).

It says on your profile you are from Yorkshire, you do realize that the Anglo-Saxons were the most direct ancestors of the English and the first people to call themselves English? It would techically only be accurate to say Vortigern if you were Welsh or Cornish? Sorry, just had to get that out.

Axolotl:

Heimir:

Axolotl:
How was he a good leader? He almost destroyed the country.

The country would've been a third world country today were it not for him. The british and the french and the rest of the allied whores are the cause of WW2 by penalizing the people by making the country unable to have any industry worth noting.

The fuck? I mean seriously what the fuck?

He broke Germany free from that and built it up.

Except he didn't, even before the allies tore the country apart Hitler's economic reforms were primarily spin he did very little to actually improve the country. And besides which, he left the country with it being occupied by hostile powers and having suffered millions of casulties.

Sure it ended in a loss. But if he had won then Germany would've ruled Europe.

Yeah but he didn't win. And what's more he could never have won, he took on odds he could not beat and that his meddling in military strategy as well as his idiotic policies both helped Germany to fail even more is just the icing on the cake of his incompotence.

I honestly wish he had so the brits would've been nothing but bootlickers today.

You wish Hitler had won? Really?

[QUOTE]The allies were barely any better than Nazi Germany in WW2. But they won, yay. So no punishment for them.

If you're counting the Soviets then maybe but otherwise. No, just no.[/quote]

Brits and french promised 56k troops for Finland Vs Russians. Fun facts, 50k were meant to take resources in Sweden and Norway and then drain them before fleeing. So yeah, they were scumbags. Sorry to break your little bubble. And the US and England are guilty for the problems today with Israel. So yeah, same as nazis. Just with better propaganda.

I'm german soo, yeah...

and Dude..
[/quote]Actually Hitler was a brilliant leader and an awesome politician. A genocidl despot, sure. But a bad leader? Hell no. He united a nation and brought all of Europe too its knee's.

OT:Any socialist, leftist, communist parti leader. They are all evil scumbags who should be shot and strung up.[/quote]

...really? He was a megalomaniacal puppet.
Maybe you should come over here and talk to some of the Peolple who actually lived through the whole ordeal on the Nazi Side. Or read "Mein Kampf" which isn't much more than self-contradicting rambling .
He was the public Face of an unexpectedly succsessful Coup d'état, cementing his place as a Leader through idiotic, useless, but huge Projects( like building the famous Autobahn, which wasn't actually that efficent till the 70's) which seemingly diminshed unemployment,brainwashing Kids ( Hitlerjugend, Bund Deutscher Mädel( HJ for Girls)) ridicioulus , Kim Jong-Illian selfimagery, giving the public a scapegoat ( you know, that whole Genocide thing) and good old violence against everybody not liking it. And that's just the Years before the War, you know when the nazis were mostly comprised of actual Human beings and not the Cartoon supervillains they turned into in the later years when they went absolutely mad with the whole "Aryan Race" thing.

Really can't believe all the hating on David Cameron. Thatcher I wasn't surprised at because the idiots in this country always blame her even though she had more balls than all Labour PMs put together. David Cameron is trying to help the economy recover by cutting down on spending yet the left keep bitching about everything he does. He'd actually be able to get stuff done if he didn't have to have a coalition with the Lib Dems. Surely the people who got us into this mess are to blame so I shall say that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown(surprised this name hasn't popped up yet) are to blame. They fucked upped Britain by getting us into two american wars and by ruining the economy. Historically, I'd say King John because he lost us loads of land in France.

Heimir:
Brits and french promised 56k troops for Finland Vs Russians. Fun facts, 50k were meant to take resources in Sweden and Norway and then drain them before fleeing. So yeah, they were scumbags. Sorry to break your little bubble. And the US and England are guilty for the problems today with Israel. So yeah, same as nazis. Just with better propaganda.

Yes. Those acts are on par with killing over 10 million people.

Axolotl:

Heimir:
Brits and french promised 56k troops for Finland Vs Russians. Fun facts, 50k were meant to take resources in Sweden and Norway and then drain them before fleeing. So yeah, they were scumbags. Sorry to break your little bubble. And the US and England are guilty for the problems today with Israel. So yeah, same as nazis. Just with better propaganda.

Yes. Those acts are on par with killing over 10 million people.

Considering that if the nazis had attacked the blood would be on french and british hands. So yes, it is. Because that behaviour is pretty much the same as the nazis. False, vile and dishonest. And not caring about human lives.

David Cameron for the moment, I don't think he has the time to redeem himself. Thatcher is also a contender (contributed to starting the Falklands war, later hailed as hero for responding to an invasion like any other sane person would)). Blair did screw up Iraq somewhat, but I wouldn't have minded intervention at some point anyway.

I think many of us living in the US would have to say George Bush.

People like to pretend Obama's the reason were in such a bad way but they forget Bush put the whole thing into motion.

It's going to take many elections and many years just to get back to where we were and seeing how shallow our politicians are I don't see any hope in sight.

Tempting to say that it is the current one, but I know damn well that's bullshit. Might not like the guy, but he's nowhere near some other people.
Like Szálasi Ferenc. This fucker.
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The guy responsible for the Holocaust - the part that happened in Hungary. Until this cunt came along, Hungary was a relatively safe state for jews, as the prime minister before Szálasi decided that they do not in fact want to exterminate the jewish population, something that was pretty difficult to hide from Nazi Germany. This guy came along in 1944, and in his short tenure, was responsible for the deaths of more people than any other Hungarian person in history. Kings and other rulers included. If Wikipedia is to be believed, every 10th victim of the Holocaust was a Hungarian citizen.
Fuck him.

And funnily enough, being a Neonazi is the popular thing these days in the country.

BristolBerserker:
Really can't believe all the hating on David Cameron. Thatcher I wasn't surprised at because the idiots in this country always blame her even though she had more balls than all Labour PMs put together. David Cameron is trying to help the economy recover by cutting down on spending yet the left keep bitching about everything he does. He'd actually be able to get stuff done if he didn't have to have a coalition with the Lib Dems. Surely the people who got us into this mess are to blame so I shall say that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown(surprised this name hasn't popped up yet) are to blame. They fucked upped Britain by getting us into two american wars and by ruining the economy. Historically, I'd say King John because he lost us loads of land in France.

No matter what common sense might tell you, fiscal conservatism doesn't help the economy.

OT: Margaret Thatcher for putting the country into the shit state it's in today by creating huge unemployment. I guaruntee you that the majority of today's "chavs" are the children of former factory workers who lost their jobs due to the "Iron Lady" and were unable to get new ones because they didn't have employable skills.

ThePenguinKnight:
I think many of us living in the US would have to say George Bush.

People like to pretend Obama's the reason were in such a bad way but they forget Bush put the whole thing into motion.

It's going to take many elections and many years just to get back to where we were and seeing how shallow our politicians are I don't see any hope in sight.

Really? Bush?? Don't get me wrong, Bush was a shitty president, but the worst? Worse than Jackson and his trail of tears? Worse than Johnson who fucked up reconstruction? Worse than Grant who let corruption run wild? Worse than Coolidge who set up the great depression? Worse than Harding who failed to prevent the great depression?

Um, I'll pretend to Mexican and say Victoriano Huerta. He was a Porfirian old guard general without any of Diaz's good ideas, and he ended up spending his tenure in office attempting to consolidate his power so he could spend more time consolidating his power

Francisco Madero comes in 2nd because he was too weak to bring about the changes Mexico needed and incited revolution in Mexico after causing more problems than he fixed.

David Cameron, current PM of the UK. He lies, he's unable to connect with anyone and he seems to be trying his best to send all sixty million of us to financial ruin.
IDIOT!

Oliver Cromwell, He executed the King for Treason, took the job of ruling the country (wasnt king) with a pay of Ł100,000 a year (the same pay for executing the king) and then he banned travel on sunday, work on sunday, christmas dinner (they had to Fast on christmas day), public celebrations, basically he banned fun, yet he still had a massive party at his daughters wedding.

Keith Vaz - twonk who keep on banging on about the link between games and violent behaviour. Besides being a total crook that is.

Tony Blair - Lying, manipulative weasel of man

Gordon brown - sold off all our gold during the good times, so when the recession hit we were up the creek without any saftey net, cheers for that. oh, and for being unelected to boot.

latest cretins we have are tools too, but its a committee of idiocy.

Sutter Cane:

ThePenguinKnight:
I think many of us living in the US would have to say George Bush.

People like to pretend Obama's the reason were in such a bad way but they forget Bush put the whole thing into motion.

It's going to take many elections and many years just to get back to where we were and seeing how shallow our politicians are I don't see any hope in sight.

Really? Bush?? Don't get me wrong, Bush was a shitty president, but the worst? Worse than Jackson and his trail of tears? Worse than Johnson who fucked up reconstruction? Worse than Grant who let corruption run wild? Worse than Coolidge who set up the great depression? Worse than Harding who failed to prevent the great depression?

For me, personally, yes I consider Bush to be the worst.

I have friends and family who were sent to Iraq and never made it back. And due to the chain of events Bush started by his stupidity and greed me, my friends, and my family can barely get by because of the economy.

Heimir:

Axolotl:

Heimir:
Brits and french promised 56k troops for Finland Vs Russians. Fun facts, 50k were meant to take resources in Sweden and Norway and then drain them before fleeing. So yeah, they were scumbags. Sorry to break your little bubble. And the US and England are guilty for the problems today with Israel. So yeah, same as nazis. Just with better propaganda.

Yes. Those acts are on par with killing over 10 million people.

Considering that if the nazis had attacked the blood would be on french and british hands. So yes, it is. Because that behaviour is pretty much the same as the nazis. False, vile and dishonest. And not caring about human lives.

Do you even read what youre writing?

Let me say it again. An act of Realpolitik in a war is not on the same moral level as the Holocaust.

Axolotl:

Heimir:

Axolotl:
Yes. Those acts are on par with killing over 10 million people.

Considering that if the nazis had attacked the blood would be on french and british hands. So yes, it is. Because that behaviour is pretty much the same as the nazis. False, vile and dishonest. And not caring about human lives.

Do you even read what youre writing?

Let me say it again. An act of Realpolitik in a war is not on the same moral level as the Holocaust.

Because consigning hundreds of thousands to death out of greed is holding the moral high ground? Spare me your nonsense.

Honestly I would say George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson etc were are pretty crappy leaders, only because they fought a war to create the country in the first place. We might as well have just stayed a colony of Brittan and just joined Canada in one big happy north american family (maybe conquer mexico).

Xenowolf:

DJjaffacake:
Recent: James Callaghan, since he presided over the near collapse of our economy.
Historical: King John, because he lost the French territories, caused a civil war, and was just generally shit.
Legendary: Vortigern, for basically inviting the Saxons to come and stay (and take over).

It says on your profile you are from Yorkshire, you do realize that the Anglo-Saxons were the most direct ancestors of the English and the first people to call themselves English? It would techically only be accurate to say Vortigern if you were Welsh or Cornish? Sorry, just had to get that out.

Well yeah, but I was going more for British leaders in general. Besides I'm not 'pure' English, there's some Scottish and most importantly in this case, probably some Welsh blood in me.

PsychedelicDiamond:
Hitler.

I win.

Goodwins law. YOU LOSE!

Heimir:
And the US and the UK are guilty for the problems today with Israel.

Oh, yeah, it's not like all those countries that invaded Israel immediately after it was created, just because the israelis were mainly Jewish, had anything to do with it. Also, fixed it for you.

Valkaris:
Honestly I would say George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson etc were are pretty crappy leaders, only because they fought a war to create the country in the first place. We might as well have just stayed a colony of Brittan and just joined Canada in one big happy north american family (maybe conquer mexico).

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The revolutionary war was absolutely necessary. Britain was being fuck all stupid at the time, their own government decided that the whole thing was a massive mistake as soon as it ended, many of the members of parliament having been against the war throughout. Nobody beyond the most ignorant of individuals from the UK would make such a crazy claim.

Vidkun Quislong: Nazi, traitor and all around son of a bitch.

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